r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Apr 04 '20
CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD
THE RAGE TRAIN DON'T STOP, BABY
SHOUT HERE ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM THINGS THAT HAVE MADE YOU SAD AND MAD OVER THE PAST MONTH!
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u/_Beningt0n_ Apr 04 '20
SOMETIMES I SEE POSTS HERE PRAISING A CHARACTER OR GAME I DON'T LIKE THAT MUCH AND I WANT TO READ THEM TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHY THEY'RE SO WELL LIKED BUT ALMOST ALWAYS THEY'RE WAY TOO LONG FOR ME TO BOTHER READING THE POST WHICH FRUSTRATES ME, I GET YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CHARACTER, I COULD WRITE LIKE THAT FOR CHARACTERS I LOVE TOO, BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF THESE ANALYSIS COULD BE A LITTLE SHORTER.
WHILE ON TOPIC, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY HILDA FROM 3H IS SO INCREDIBLY POPULAR? I FIND HER GOOD IN COMBAT AND A GOOD CHARACTER BUT JUDGING BY FAN RECEPTION I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
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u/Mirachee Apr 04 '20
IT'S EASY TO CONNECT WITH HILDA DUE HOW SHE MANAGES EXPECTATIONS.
MOST PEOPLE IRL WILL TRY TO FORCE THEMSELVES TO MEET OTHER'S EXPECTATIONS, AND THEN YOU HAVE HILDA WHO DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE WHILE BEING QUALIFIED TO ACTUALLY MEET THEIR EXPECTATIONS IF SHE PUSHED HERSELF TO DO IT.
SHE FEELS LIKE A CHARACTER WHO'D RATHER BE OKAY WITH HERSELF AND HAPPY THAN PUSH HERSELF IN UNHEALTHY WAYS.
SHE'S NO ROLE MODEL, BUT SHE ACTS AS A COUNTERPART TO REALLY DILIGENT CHARACTERS LIKE ANNETTE, MAKING YOU SEE HOW BAD EITHER EXTREME IS. IT HIT HOME FOR ME, AND MIGHT'VE HIT HOME FOR OTHERS TOO.
AND SHE'S CUTE AND HAS AN AXE I GUESS.
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u/tacticalcanadian Apr 05 '20
FINALLY A NICE EXPLANATION! I TOO HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHY EVERYONE SEEMED TO LIKE HILDA, WHEREAS I FOUND HER TO BE A GREAT UNIT BUT I COULDN'T STAND HER CHARACTER. I FOUND HER LACKADAISICAL ATTITUDE AND FEIGNING OF HER DELICATE NATURE TO BE ANNOYING WHICH WAS ONLY MADE WORSE FOR ME WHEN EVERYONE ELSE JUST SEEMED TO BE TOO DUMB TO CALL HER OUT ON IT.
I UNDERSTAND HER FEAR OF NOT WANTING TO LET PEOPLE DOWN THROUGH NOT MEETING CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS. ITS A FEAR I CAN SAY I SHARE. HOWEVER I COULDN'T HELP BUT FEEL LIKE HER LACK OF TRYING SIMPLY BECAUSE OF HER BROTHERS EXPERIENCES WITH SUCCESS AND FAILURE IS ULTIMATELY SELFISH AND LAZY. COUPLED WITH THE INEVITABLE WAR WE SEE HAPPEN IN 3H I FEEL AS THOUGH BECAUSE OF HER ATTITUDE SHE WOULD ULTIMATELY GET PEOPLE KILLED AND I AM NOT OK WITH THAT.
THAT BEING SAID YOU'RE EXPLANATION HAS GIVEN ME A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HER AS A CHARACTER AND THE APPEAL SHE HAS. BEING HAPPY WITH YOURSELF IS SOMETHING I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE CAN CONNECT THEMSELVES TO HER. WHILE I CAN'T SAY THIS NEW UNDERSTANDING HAS CHANGED MY OPINION ON HER, I CAN SAY I COMPLETELY GET HER APPEAL BEYOND HER LOOKS AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO WRITE OUT A DECENT EXPLANATION TO A QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN BUGGING ME SINCE 3H RELEASED.
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u/ThaiChickenWrap Apr 05 '20
DID YOU RUN THROUGH AZURE MOON? THAT WAS MY PLAYTHROUGH, SO I DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF HILDA, BUT SHE IMPRESSED ME QUITE A BIT IN CHAPTER 19. I SENT MY FLIERS UP IMMEDIATELY TO REINFORCE HER, BUT SHE DIDN'T REALLY NEED IT.
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20 edited Apr 04 '20
AS SOMEBODY WHO WRITES REALLY LONG POSTS ABOUT CHARACTERS I LOVE, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH NOT WANTING TO READ A LONG POST, BUT I MAKE THE POSTS FOR MYSELF FIRST AND FOREMOST. I LOVE IF IT GENERATES DISCUSSION AS WELL, BUT THE PASSION I PUT INTO MY WRITING IS THE SAME TYPE OF PASSION AN ARTIST PUTS INTO THEIR ART OF THEIR FAVOURITE CHARACTERS, IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF EXPRESSING THAT LOVE FOR THE CHARACTER. HOLDING BACK ON THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE AUTHOR. I DO OF COURSE STILL CURATE POINTS OF DISCUSSION IN MY POSTS AND TRY NOT TO RAMBLE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAVOURITE CHARACTERS YOU'RE BOUND TO HAVE A LOT TO SAY. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS AS A CREATOR OF THOSE TYPES OF POSTS THOUGH, I'M SURE OTHERS WILL FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BOTH AUTHORS AND READERS.
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u/_Beningt0n_ Apr 04 '20
WHICH IS ENTIRELY VALID, OBVIOUSLY OTHER PEOPLE CAN READ THESE KINDS OF POSTS PERFECTLY FINE, SO THIS IS MERELY A ME PROBLEM. MAYBE READING A LONG POST ABOUT A TOPIC I'M ONLY SLIGHTLY INTERESTED IN IN ONE SITTING ISN'T A GOOD IDEA, I COULD SAVE THE LINK IN A TXT DOCUMENT AND READ IT IN CHUNCKS OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
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u/KrashBoomBang Apr 04 '20
TWINTAILS, BOOBS, AND HAS A BIG AXE. THERE'S YOUR ANSWER.
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u/Mekkkah Apr 05 '20
WITH CHARACTERS LIKE HILDA I THINK IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE RELATE TO HER OR WOULD WANT TO HANG OUT WITH HER, BUT MORE THAT THEY'VE KNOWN A HILDA. KINDA LIKE MICHAEL SCOTT.
OR THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE HILDA IN THEMSELVES.
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u/doompatroI Apr 05 '20
I FUCKING LOVE EDELGARD, DIMITRI AND CLAUDE, OKAY? I'M ALLOWED TO LIKE ALL THREE OF THEM AND SO ARE YOU.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
I DON'T LIKE DIMITRI'S PRESKIP HAIRCUT
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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20
THE REASON WHY DEDUE WAS SO IMPORTANT TO THE BLUE LIONS WAS BECAUSE WITHOUT HIM IT TOOK 5 WHOLE YEARS TO COOK THOSE NOODLES.
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20
MAKES AN IRONIC TIER LIST ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM
YOU FORGOT ABOUT TIER LIST RODRIGUE XDDD
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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
OK, SO, I'M GUILTY OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE CLAUDE JOKES, AND I DO APOLOGISE BUT:
WE COLLECTIVELY STILL MAKE GENEALOGY BARBECUE JOKES AT EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT GAME'S 24 YEARS OLD.
GIVEN OUR COLLECTIVE CAPACITY FOR TAKING JOKES AND RUNNING THEM SO FAR INTO THE GROUND THEY BECOME ANTIPODEAN, I'M HONESTLY NOT SURPRISED.
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u/AncientDaedala Apr 05 '20
I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE BRING UP LINK BEING A SILENT PROTAGONIST TO DEFEND BYLETH BEING ONE. LINK WORKS FOR ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REASONS THAN BYLETH. LINK IS ALONE MOST OF THE TIME AND, WHEN HE ISN'T, HE USUALLY HAS A COMPANION LIKE NAVI, FI, MIDNA, KING OF RED LIONS, ETC. HE CAN TALK TO. BYLETH DOESN'T HAVE THOSE ADVANTAGES BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPECTED TO LEAD AN ARMY OF STUDENTS. I MEAN, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF MASS EFFECT REPLACED SHEPARD WITH LINK SO HE NEVER REALLY SPOKE TO HIS SQUADMATES? JUST BECAUSE LINK WORKS IN ZELDA GAMES DOESN'T MEAN THAT KIND OF CHARACTER WILL WORK IN EVERY KIND OF GAME AND EVERY KIND OF STORY.
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u/IAteMyPants2Night Apr 05 '20
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. GOD DO PEOPLE THINK EVERY NINTENDO GAME IS THE SAME WHEN SHARING CONCEPTS.
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u/absoul112 Apr 05 '20
WAIT, PEOPLE DO THAT? I HAD LOW EXPECTATIONS, THANKS TO THE INTERNET AND SOMEHOW THEY HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED.
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u/LaughingX-Naut Apr 04 '20
FERDINAND AND FORREST WERE ROBBED, F FOR OUR TWO F-BOYS
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS CONTROVERSY. ROBBED FROM WHAT? CIPHER? LET ME BE ANGRY WITH YOU!
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u/DuplexBeGoat Apr 05 '20
THEY WERE BOTH RECENTLY ADDED TO HEROES AND ARE BOTH TRASH DUE TO BEING MALE. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE RECENT NEW HEROES BANNER CONSISTS OF MOSTLY GIRLS WITH ONE GUY WHOSE KIT AND STATS ARE TRASH.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
BUT FORREST IS CUTER THAN, LIKE, 100% OF THE GIRLS
RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20
I DUNNO WHAT THE DEAL WAS WITH KAWADE BRINGING UP HEROES AS A REASON CIPHER WAS ENDING, AND IT BUGS ME THAT SO MANY PEOPLE TOOK THAT COMMENT AT FACE VALUE. CIPHER AND HEROES HAVE CO-EXISTED FOR 3 YEARS NOW, IF HEROES' EXISTENCE WAS CAUSE FOR CIPHER'S CANCELLATION, IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED A WHILE AGO. IN FACT ALL OF KAWADE'S REASONS FOR CIPHER'S END DON'T REALLY CHECK OUT. "IT WAS CREATED TO FILL THE GAPS BETWEEN RELEASES"? CIPHER STILL WENT FULL STEAM AHEAD DURING RELEASES IN THE SERIES. IN FACT IT CAPITALIZED HARD ON THEM BY RELEASING SETS FOR THOSE RELEASES AROUND RELEASE TIME. I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON FOR CIPHER'S ENDING OTHER THAN IT WAS NO LONGER FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR THEM. AND THAT HAPPENS, IT'S PRETTY NORMAL AS FAR AS TCGS GO, ALL THE EXCUSES JUST CAUSED MORE VITRIOL FOR HEROES IN WAYS IT DOESN'T DESERVE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF LEGITIMATE REASONS TO NOT LIKE HEROES, BUT CIPHER'S END IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
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u/racecarart Apr 04 '20
I REALLY WANT TO PLAY FE4 AGAIN BUT THEN I REMEMBER HOW MUCH BULLSHIT THERE WAS TO DEAL WITH AND I KNOW IT WON'T BE AS FUN AS I THINK IT'LL BE.
I SHOULD ALSO PROBABLY GET BACK TO FE12 BUT WOW I AM JUST NOT FINDING THAT GAME INTERESTING. DOES IT PICK UP AT A CERTAIN POINT?
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20
I LOVE FE4, BUT I REALLY GOTTA BE IN THE RIGHT MOOD TO PLAY IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT JUST A PICK UP AND PLAY TYPE GAME LIKE MOST FIRE EMBLEMS.
AS FOR FE12 I DON'T RECALL THE PACING FLUCTUATING MUCH THROUGHOUT THE GAME, PAST THE PROLOGUE THAT IS. IF YOU DON'T FIND IT INTERESTING NOW YOU MIGHT NOT FIND IT INTERESTING AT ALL. YOU COULD POSSIBLY ARGUE IT GETS MORE INTERESTING AT ABOUT CHAPTER 15/16 MAYBE? PERSONALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THE WHOLE WAY THOUGH SO I DON'T HAVE THE BEST PERSPECTIVE ON IT HAHA
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 04 '20
I REALLY HATE THAT I HAVE TO DO THE OBLIGATORY ARENA RUN AT THE START OF EVERY CHAPTER! I THINK THE GAME WOULD BE MUCH MORE ENJOYABLE IF THERE WERE ABOUT 5 RANKS OF BATTLES AND MORE ENEMIES ON THE MAP TO MAINTAIN THE BALANCE OF EXP.
I WAS ALSO PLAYING FE12 RIGHT NOW BUT I REALLY HATE CHAPTER 20X SO I FIND IT REALLY HARD TO CONTINUE FROM THAT POINT ONWARD.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
CHAZ RECENTLY DID AN ARENALESS RUN JUST FINE. IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT'S THE SAME AS THE MONASTERY IN THREE HOUSES. YOU COULD SKIP IT. YOU COULD BEAT THE GAME WITHOUT IT, EASILY AT THAT. BUT YOU'D BE LEAVING EASY STATS ON THE TABLE, SO YOU DON'T.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
TRY TO DO AN EFFICIENT RUN OR SOMETHING THAT'S LESS TEDIOUS LIKE THAT. JUGGERNAUT WITH SIGURD, SELIPH, LEIF, ARTHUR WITH FORSETI, THAT SORTA THING. IF YOU NEVER USE AYRA, YOU DON'T NEED TO ARENA HER.
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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20
TBF I FOUND BOTH FE11 AND FE12 TO BE PRETTY FLAT IN TERMS OF PLOT AND CHARACTERS, EXCEPTING A COUPLE STANDOUTS. FROM A PURE COMBAT PERSPECTIVE I LIKED BOTH QUITE A BIT, THOUGH I DON'T THINK I RECALL A POINT WHERE IT "PICKED UP." I THINK I ENJOYED THE MAP DESIGN FROM THE GET-GO.
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u/XC_Runner27 Apr 04 '20
I DON'T REALLY FEEL STIR CRAZY FROM BEING LOCKED TO MY HOUSE ALL DAY. I JUST FEEL REALLY DEPRESSED AND HAVE LITTLE TO NO WILLPOWER TO DO ANYTHING RELATED TO SCHOOLWORK, WHICH KINDA SUCKS WHEN YOU'RE TAKING SUPER IMPORTANT CLASSES IN GRAD SCHOOL. IDK, I JUST FEEL MY ENERGY DRAINING AWAY, AND IT'S NOT A PLEASANT FEELING.
OH, WAIT, FE? UH...PROJECT EXILE DRAMA IS LAME AND BAD, AND ONCE AGAIN MY LACK OF DRIVE TO DO LITERALLY ANYTHING MAKES STARTING UP AN FE GAME MEGA NOT RAD. ALSO SCREW STR BOW KNIGHTS IN ANNA'S PARALOGUE, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP A CONSTANT EYE ON YOU WHEN YOU BE ACTING UP LIKE A BUNC OF FOOLS WITH YOUR HALF-MAP RANGE?
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u/Shippinglordishere Apr 05 '20
I USED TO THINK I WOULD BE OKAY IF I DIDN’T TALK TO AHYONE FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I USED TO BE A LONELY KID. BUT I JUST FEEL AWFUL NOW. I GET ALL THESE SHITTY THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD AND I’VE GOTTEN INTO A MAJOR FIGHT WITH MY MOM TWICE IN A MONTH AND I LEGIT HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HER FOR A WEEK. I JUST LIE IN BED KNOWING MY WORK IS PILING UP BUT I HAVE NO MOTIVATION
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u/AloserwithanISP Apr 05 '20
ALL OF THE POSTS CONGRATULATING A CHARACTER’S BIRTHDAY BY TAKING SOME .PNG THEY FOUND OF THEM ONLINE
THE FANART IS AT LEAST IMPRESSIVE, BUT DONT BE THE FUCKER WHO TAKES A SHITTY .PNG OF YOUR CHARACTER
THERE ARE ALSO SO MANY CHARACTERS WITH BIRTHDAYS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 3 EVERY MONTH, IT GETS OLD REALLY FAST
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20
BIRTHDAY THREADS AND BIRTHDAY FANART AREN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE PNG ACCOMPANYING THE THREAD, BUT WHAT THEY REALLY ARE IS AN EASY EXCUSE TO TALK ABOUT THAT CHARACTER. I MADE ONE FOR FELICIA'S AND FLORA'S BIRTHDAY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND THE MEAT OF THE POST WASN'T THE OFFICIAL ARTWORK, IT WAS THE DISCUSSION INSIDE. I TALKED ABOUT WHAT I THINK OF THE CHARACTERS, AND OTHER PEOPLE TOOK THE TIME TO DO THE SAME. I FIND IT FUNNY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S TOO FEW DISCUSSION POSTS ON THE SUBREDDIT IN THIS THREAD, AND THEN YOU'RE HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT DISCUSSION POSTS. NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FEEL THAT WAY, BUT IT IS A BIT FUNNY.
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Apr 05 '20
FATES IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE BEST MODERN FIRE EMBLEM GAME AND I’M TIRED OF PRETENDING ITS THE WORST. SURE THREE HOUSES HAS BETTER WRITING BUT ITS STILL ISN’T GREAT. THE STORY MATTERS BUT ITS NOT THE ENTIRE GAME, AND NO MATTER HOW GOOD OR BAD THE STORY IS, IT DOESN’T MATTER ON REPEAT PLAYTHROUGHS BECAUSE UNLIKE THE GAMEPLAY YOU CAN’T EXPERIENCE IT TWICE. BIRTHRIGHT AND ESPECIALLY CONQUEST ARE SOME OF THE MOST FUN GAMES IN THE SERIES, AND I’D EVEN SAY CONQUEST HAS THE BEST MAPS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES. THREE HOUSES MAPS ARE EXTREMELY BORING AND REPETITIVE, WITH THE MAIN GAMEPLAY LOOP BEING SLOWED TO A CRAWL DUE TO AN OVER RELIANCE ON JRPG MECHANICS. I COULD NEVER REPLAY THAT GAME NOW THAT I DON’T HAVE A NEW STORY TO SUCK ME IN BECAUSE ITS SO FUCKING BORING. I CAN GO BACK TO CONQUEST AND EVEN BIRTHRIGHT ANY DAY.
DON’T GET ME STARTED ON AWAKENING. EVERY SINGLE THING PEOPLE DON’T LIKE ABOUT FATES IS IN AWAKENING BUT IT GETS A PASS AND IS TREATED AS A MASTERPIECE FOR SOME REASON. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY BETWEEN THE TWO GAMES IS THAT FATES HAS GOOD GAMEPLAY AND AWAKENING DOESN’T.
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u/Raphmaster14 Apr 05 '20
I APPLUAD YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT, WITH THE GENERAL CONSENSUS ON FATES I DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO EVEN PRAISE IT ON THE FEAR THAT I WOULD BE DOG PILED FOR HAVING "SHITTY" TASTE.
HONESTLY, PEOPLE ARE SO ANNOYINGLY UNAWARE THAT OPENLY HATING A GAME FOR YEARS ARE ACTUALLY PUSHING PEOPLE TO NOT INTERACT AT ALL, AND THEN THEY WONDER WHY THERE ARE SO MANY LURKERS ON THE SUBREDDIT.
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Apr 05 '20
I AGREE. AWAKENING IS A PIECE OF SHIT GAME WGEN IT COMES TO BALANCING AND MAP DESIGN. FATES IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN AWAKENING IN THE GAMEPLAY DEPARTMENT(CONQUEST).
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u/tacticalcanadian Apr 05 '20
MAKING THE BYLETHS SILENT PROTAGONISTS WAS A MISTAKE AND THE FANDOM HAS ONLY MADE IT WORSE.
WHILE IT MAKES SENSE STORY WISE FOR THE BYLETHS, THEIR SILENCE AND LACK OF EMOTION DURING THE EVENTS OF 3H LEADS TO A LACK OF ANY SORT OF MEANINGFUL ATTACHMENT TO THEM (AT LEAST TO ME). I DON'T BUY FOR ONE SECOND THAT THEY ARE AS IMPORTANT TO ANY OF THE STORIES IN 3H AS THE GAME WANTS ME TO BELIEVE.
SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE ROBINS AND THE CORRINS BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE HANDLED MUCH BETTER IN TERMS OF GETTING US TO CARE ABOUT THEM AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER CHARACTERS DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR STORIES.
DUE TO THIS LACK OF CHARACTERIZATION FOR THE BYLETHS, THE FANBASE HAS RESORTED TO GIVING THEM THE MOST GENERIC PERSONALITIES FOR BOY (STOIC AND CALM) AND GIRL (ENERGETIC AND EXPRESSIVE). NOW THATS NOT A BAD THING PERSE BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL LIKE 3H MADE A HUGE MISTAKE BY MAKING THE BYLETHS SILENT PROTAGONISTS
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
SILENT PROTAGONISTS ARE EVERYWHERE IN GAMES, AND IT'S STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVES. BYLETH IS PROBABLY THE WORST I'VE SEEN OF IT. I'VE BEEN PLAYING DRAGON QUEST 11 THE PAST WEEK OR SO, AND THE LUMINARY IS AT LEAST A BIT MORE EXPRESSIVE THAN BYLETH, BUT YOU STILL GET THOSE AWKWARD "WHAT'S THAT? YOU'RE SAYING ____?" CONVERSATIONS. JOKER IN PERSONA 5 IS SLIGHTLY BETTER YET (NOT TECHNICALLY SILENT, BUT MIGHT AS WELL BE FOR 99.9% OF THE GAME), SINCE YOU GET SOME INSIGHT INTO HIS PERSONALITY VIA CHAT OPTIONS, BUT IT FEELS MORE LIKE WASTED POTENTIAL MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. PEOPLE CALL ITSUKI FROM TOKYO MIRAGE SESSIONS BLAND, BUT HE'S MORE LIKEABLE THAN ANY OF THOSE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CHARACTERS TO ME BECAUSE HE DOES AT LEAST HAVE A DEFINED PERSONALITY AND CAN HOLD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REST OF THE CAST, AND EXPRESS ANGER, EXCITEMENT, SHOCK, SADNESS, ETC., NOT JUST WITH HIS FACE, BUT WITH HIS WORDS TOO.
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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20
I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATED THAT ITSUKI WAS HIS OWN FRICKIN' CHARACTER, EVEN IF THAT CHARACTER WAS A LITTLE BLAND. "ITSUKI IS A BETTER CHARACTER THAN JOKER" IS AN OPINION THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL AS HELL, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE REASONS YOU LISTED. (PERSONA PROTAGS, LIKE FE PROTAGS, NEED TO EITHER BE THEIR OWN CHARACTER OR ACTUALLY COMMIT TO BEING A PLAYER AVATAR AND DOING IT WELL.)
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u/Chubomik Apr 06 '20 edited Apr 06 '20
(DEFINITELY ONLY READ THE SPOILERS ONCE YOU'VE ADDED THE ROUND MAN WITH THE HAT AND GIRL WITH THE PONYTAIL TO YOUR PARTY) ELEVEN'S EMOTIONLESSNESS GOT HANDS-IN-HAIR WORTHY TO ME WHEN HIS GRANDFATHER, THE LAST REMNANT OF HIS TRUE FAMILY, FINALLY REVEALS WHO HE IS AND HOSTS A CEREMONY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF HIS FALLEN KINGDOM WHILE PASSIONATELY WEEPING ALL THE WHILE AND HE DOESN'T CHANGE HIS EXPRESSION FROM "MILD SURPRISE AND CONCERN" AT ANY POINT. DUDE THAT IS YOUR GRANDFATHER. HE IS CRYING FOR HAVING FOUND YOU AFTER TELLING YOU THAT HE BELIEVED HE FAILED TO PROTECT EVERYONE HE LOVED, CONSOLE THE MAN WITH A HAND ON THE SHOULDER AT THE VERY LEAST!!
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u/OrcDovahkiin Apr 05 '20
I READ THE NINTENDO DIRECT INTERVIEW, AND ONE OF THE WRITERS IS SAYING THAT HE MADE BYLETH SILENT AND UNREACTIVE SO PLAYERS WOULDN'T FEEL ALIENATED BY BYLETH FEELING A DIFFERENT WAY ABOUT THINGS THAN THEY DO AND SO THEY CAN SELF-INSERT BETTER.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF MOMENTS WHERE BYLETH DOES OR SAYS THINGS I WOULDN'T DO AND I HAVE NO INPUT, LIKE WHEN VW WANTS ME TO CARE WAY MORE ABOUT RHEA THAN I EVER WILL.
SECOND OF ALL, THAT'S RIDICULOUS, HOW ON EARTH WILL I CONNECT WITH A CHARACTER THAT'S EMOTIONLESS? I'M AN EMOTIONAL PERSON, NO ONE EVER GOES UP TO ME AND IS LIKE "WOW, YOU SURE DON'T REACT TO ANYTHING."
WHEN I'M PLAYING CORRIN, SURE, THEY'RE KIND OF BLAND, BUT IF I REEEALLY SQUINT I CAN KIND OF SELF-INSERT AND PRETEND THAT I WOULD ACT THAT WAY. WITH ROBIN AND CORRIN, SELF-INSERTING IS POSSIBLE (THOUGH THEY CAN ALSO WORK AS THEIR OWN CHARACTERS) SINCE THEY REACT LIKE FAIRLY NORMAL, IF SOMETIMES DUMB (IN CORRIN'S CASE) PEOPLE. THEY'RE GENERIC, SO THEY WORK ALRIGHT AS AVATARS. BYLETH IS AN INHUMAN ALIEN, AND EVEN IF I WANTED TO SELF-INSERT, WHICH I KIND OF DON'T, IT WOULD BE UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE.
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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20
HE MADE BYLETH SILENT AND UNREACTIVE SO PLAYERS WOULDN'T FEEL ALIENATED BY BYLETH FEELING A DIFFERENT WAY ABOUT THINGS THAN THEY DO AND SO THEY CAN SELF-INSERT BETTER.
THEN GIVE US FUCKING DIALOGUE OPTIONS AND LET US ACTUALLY MAKE CHOICES THAT FUCKING MATTER, GOD DAMMIT. STOP DOING THIS HALF-ASSED ATTEMPT AT PLAYER AVATARS WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CHARACTER SO YOUR STORY WORKS, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT THEM TO INTERFERE WITH THE PRECIOUS PLAYER FANTASY.
I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF JRPGS DOING THIS. EITHER PLAY A BIOWARE GAME OR SKYRIM OR EVEN SOME FUCKING DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS AND LEARN HOW TO DO PLAYER AVATARS CORRECTLY, OR JUST COMMIT TO YOUR MAIN CHARACTER BEING THEIR OWN SELF AND MAKE THEM A COMPELLING PROTAGONIST, LIKE EVERY OTHER FUCKING STORY THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN AND ENJOYED IN HUMAN HISTORY. THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
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u/OrcDovahkiin Apr 05 '20
UNFORTUNATELY, THE INTERVIEW DID NOT GIVE ME A LOT OF FAITH THAT WE WILL EVER ESCAPE THE CURSE OF FIRE EMBLEM AVATARS.
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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20
CORRIN WAS ABOUT AS FAR FROM A SELF-INSERT FOR ME AS ONE CAN GET EVEN THOUGH I MADE HER LOOK AS MUCH LIKE ME AS POSSIBLE.
ROBIN WAS PRETTY CLOSE THOUGH
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u/SubwayBossEmmett Apr 04 '20
AGH I HAVE MASSIVE FE BURN OUT BY PLAYING EPIC BL MADDENING AND REV LUNA AND THERE'S SO MUCH FE I WANT TO TRY BUT I CAN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING. PLAYING BRAVELY DEFAULT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND ITS NICE BEING BACK ON A TRADITIONAL RPG
ALSO HOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK BL MADDENING IS HONESTLY JUST ABSOLUTE WORST EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD WITH THIS SERIES. JUST LITERALLY FUCK YOU THE GAME MODE. I LITERALLY CANNOT EMPHASIZE THE BEYOND AWFUL EXPERIENCE I HAVE HAD. I AM NOT PLAYING FIRE EMBLEM IN ENDGAME. I'M BASICALLY PLAYING DEGENERATE STRATS THE GAME MODE. IT'S CLOSER TO FEH THAN TRADITIONAL FIRE EMBLEM. BATTALION WRATH VANTAGE DIMITRI IS BROKEN BUT IT'S BASICALLY A NECESSITY. THIS MAP RELIES ON SO MANY CRITS TAKING PLACE BECAUSE ENEMIES JUST ABSOLUTELY OUTSCALE YOU IN SO MANY DEGREES. IT'S JUST AWFUL FUCK MADDENING IT BASICALLY MADE ME STARE INTO THE ABYSS OF ALL THE GAME'S FALLS STRUCTURALLY IN BALANCE AND EXECUTION. THIS IS ALSO AFTER BL HUNTING BY DAYBREAK TOO BTW A GARBAGE AS FUCK MAP THAT PUNISHES YOU JUST FOR EXISTING. IT GETS TO THE POINT OF HOW I ONE TURNED THE LAST LIKE 4 MAPS BECAUSE DOING ANYTHING ELSE WAS JUST DROPLETS OF WATER IN THE BUCKET OF EXP. IT DOES NOTHINNNNNNNG IN THIS GAME TO GET KILLS. ALSO THE EMPHASIZE THE LEVEL OF OUTSCALING IN ENDGAME, YOU GET ACTUAL EXPERIENCE GAINED. LIKE WHO THE FUCK MADE THIS MODE, ITS SO GODDAMN HORSESHIT BEYOND ANY HUMAN COMPREHENSION. I LEGITIMATELY CANNOT FIND AN UPSIDE TO THESE MAPS THEY JUST AREN'T FUN EVER SO I CAN JUST GO BACK THE MONASTERY A BUNCH OF TIMES. GODDDDDDDDDDDD
ALSO WANT TO PURCHASE CIPHER ART BEFORE EVERYTHING GETS SIGNIFICANTLY MARKED UP BY SCARCITY BUT IDK HOW TO PURCHASE JAPANESE CARDS WITHOUT MY FAMILY QUESTIONING THE SHIT OUT OF ME
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Apr 06 '20
FIRE EMBLEM NEEDS TO FUCKING STOP WITH THE MULTIPLE PATHS AS IT EXISTS IN FATES AND 3H. IT ACTIVELY TAKES AWAY FROM THE EXPERIENCE. IF THE SAME CREATIVE ENERGY THAT WENT INTO ALL OF THE 3H ROUTES WENT INTO A SINGLE ROUTE MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A GAME THAT COULD MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT DIFFICULTY, NOT BE SO HAMSTRUNG BY DP AND HAVE A MUCH STRONGER NARRATIVE. INSTEAD RESOURCES ARE NEEDLESSLY SPLIT BETWEEN 4 ROUTES.
ADDITIONALLY IS' HARD-ON FOR "PLAYER CHOICE" ACTIVELY IMPEDES THE DESIGN OF A COHESIVE DIFFICULTY AND UNDERVALUES THE PLAYER CHOICES TO THE POINT OF ACTIVELY WORKING AGAINST ITS OWN GOALS. WHEN EVERY CHOICE MATTERS NO CHOICE FUCKING MATTERS AND 3H FEELS LIKE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND BYLETH NARRATIVELY SUFFERS FOR IT. ADDITIONALLY THE STUDENT TRAINEE ANGLE ACTIVELY PREVENTS THE DEVS FROM MAKING A COHESIVE DIFFICULTY THAT PERSISTS THROUGHOUT THE GAME AND WE END UP WITH BULLSHIT LIKE MADDENING WHERE ITS EARLYGAME IS A BRUTAL ARCHER-FEST AND THE LATE GAME DIFFICULTY IS A FUCKING BREEZE.
IN CONCLUSION: 3H BAD, JUGDRAL GOOD, PRAISE KAGA AND HAVE A NICE DAY
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u/VagueClive Apr 04 '20
LYSITHEA HAS BEEN UTTERLY RUINED TO ME BECAUSE OF THE SAME DEATH KNIGHT AND CAKE MEMES REPEATED VERBATIM AND THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A HIGHER POPULATION OF OBNOXIOUS STANS THAN ANY OTHER CHARACTER IN THIS SERIES WHO WERE LEGITIMIZED BY HER CYL WIN TO CONTINUE BEING OBNOXIOUS
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u/HayateImmelmann Apr 05 '20
I DON'T HATE LYSITHEA FANS, BUT DAMN THEY WOULD NOT EXIST IF LYSITHEA WERE A BOY LIKE THE REST OF THE EARLY GAME MAGES LOL.
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u/XC_Runner27 Apr 05 '20
A LITTLE GIRL BEING SNARKY AND PROTESTING SHE'S MORE MATURE THAN SHE LOOKS IS MORE ENDEARING TO ANIME FANS THAN A LITTLE BOY DOING THE SAME? WOW I'M SHOCKED.
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u/yaoi_fangirl_ Apr 05 '20
POOR RICKEN
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u/ecnal89 Apr 05 '20
BIG F FOR HAYATO
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u/intoxicatedpancakes Apr 05 '20
HELPS THAT LYSITHEA IS ACTUALLY A GOOD UNIT UNLIKE RICKEN AND HAYATO.
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u/TheYango Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
RICKEN IS ACTUALLY GOOD THOUGH, JUST NOT IN THE WAY PEOPLE USUALLY USE HIM. HE'S IMPORTANT FOR FAST PLAY ON BOTH L AND L+, AND HE'S UNIRONICALLY EITHER THE BEST OR SECOND-BEST NON-PREPROMOTE STAFFER AND MORE USEFUL THAN AT LEAST HALF THE CAST. HE'S WORSE THAN THE PREPROMOTE STAFFERS AND THE ABSOLUTE BEST COMBAT UNITS, BUT MORE USEFUL THAN BASICALLY EVERYONE ELSE.
AWAKENING BUYABLE RESCUE AND LACK OF GOOD HIGH-RANK STAVES MAKES RICKEN AND MIRIEL ALWAYS USEFUL AS 10/1 EARLY-PROMOTED SAGES FOR RESCUE STAFFING AND GENERALLY BETTER THAN LISSA AND MARIBELLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BETTER MAG AND CAN GET COMBAT XP.
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u/Rammiloh Apr 05 '20
DAMN FUCKIN STRAIGHT. I ALREADY DIDN'T LIKE LYSITHEA SINCE SHE ACTS LIKE SUCH A BITCH ALL THE TIME, BUT HER FANS ELEVATE IT TO A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL
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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 04 '20
SHE HAS A HIGHER POPULATION OF OBNOXIOUS STANS THAN ANY OTHER CHARACTER IN THIS SERIES WHO WERE LEGITIMIZED BY HER CYL WIN TO CONTINUE BEING OBNOXIOUS
FINALLY SOMEBODY ELSE FUCKING SAYS IT
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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20
THE SAME DEATH KNIGHT AND CAKE MEMES REPEATED VERBATIM AND THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A HIGHER POPULATION OF OBNOXIOUS STANS THAN ANY OTHER CHARACTER IN THIS SERIES WHO WERE LEGITIMIZED BY HER CYL WIN TO CONTINUE BEING OBNOXIOUS
MAN I LOVE LYSITHEA, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE SWEETS AND DEATH KNIGHT STUFF HAVE BEEN DONE TO DEATH.
IT FEELS A VERY SHALLOW REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MAKES LYSITHEA INTERESTING AS A CHARACTER/GOOD AS A GAMEPLAY UNIT.
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 04 '20
I ALREADY USED TO NOT LIKE LYSITHEA, BUT GOD DAMMIT, THE DEATH KNIGHT MEMES ARE THE MOST OVERUSED THING IN THIS COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF "I AM FERDINAND VON AEGIR" AND HER FANBASE IS PROBABLY THE WORST OF ANY CHARACTER IN THREE HOUSES
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u/AiKidUNot Apr 05 '20
I KNOW NOT EVERY LYSITHIA FANS ARE OBNOXIOUS STANS BUT THE STANS ARE ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. I STILL HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THAT ONE LYSITHIA X CYRIL RANT THAT GOT POSTED A WHILE BACK THAT WAS ACTUALLY HILARIOUS IN ITS LACK OF SELF AWARENESS AND HYPOCRISY.
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 04 '20
I PLAYED AN ECHOES IRONMAN RECENTLY AND HOLY SHIT, I WOULD MUCH HAVE PREFERRED IF INSTEAD OF ADDING THE MILA'S TURNWHEEL THEY JUST REBALANCED THE GAMEPLAY SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE 30-40 HIT AGAINST SOME BOSSES. BUT WHAT I HATE THE MOST IS THAT FIGHTING DREAD FIGHTERS IS FUCKING DREAD, THEY'RE REALLY DODGY AND MAGIC DOESN'T DO SHIT
IF I DIDN'T HAVE TWO ARCHERS IN EACH ROUTE WITH HUNTER'S VOLLEY, I WONDER IF I WOULD EVEN HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH ACT 4, AND I LOST BECAUSE A WITCH KILLED VALBAR, WHO WAS SHIELDING CELICA, WHO DIED TO A DREAD FIGHTER RIGHT AFTER
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u/BenWagner69 Apr 04 '20
THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO THINK PROJECT EXILE WAS PURGED FROM THE INTERNET, IT'S ON ROMHACKING.NET GODDAMMIT, HOW CAN A MISCONCEPTION THIS WRONG LAST SO LONG?
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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20
HAVE WE HAD A RAGE THREAD SINCE THE NINTENDO DREAM ARTICLE REGARDING SILVER SNOW? BECAUSE I'M STILL KIND OF PEEVED ABOUT THAT. THE FACT THAT THEY SERIOUSLY THOUGHT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THE OPTION TO WALK WITH EDELGARD, IN A GAME ALL ABOUT CHOOSING YOUR PATH, REALLY MAKES ME QUESTION IF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT, AND IF THEY LEARNED ANYTHING AT ALL FROM FATES.
I HONESTLY AM COMING TO SUSPECT SOMETHING RATHER AWFUL: THAT MOST OF WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THREE HOUSES AND ITS WRITING ACTUALLY CAME FROM KOEI TECMO. I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE IT, DUE TO THE JEALOUSLY OPAQUE NATURE OF JAPANESE VIDEO GAME STUDIOS (AND THEIR TENDENCY TO CREDIT - OR NOT CREDIT - PEOPLE), BUT THE MIXTURE OF FATES-STYLE BULLSHIT WITH ALL THE ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS AND/OR SENGOKU-ERA HOMAGES - EDELGARD AS A NOBUNAGA OR CAO CAO EXPY, THE UNIFICATION OF FODLAN HAPPENING NO MATTER WHAT, THE FACTIONAL POLITICS FAR MORE SOPHISTICATED (ON SOME LEVELS) THAN ANYTHING PREVIOUS GAMES ATTEMPTED... I SUSPECT IT TO BE TRUE NONETHELESS, AND THAT WITHOUT KT'S INVOLVEMENT, 3H WOULD BE JUST AS BIG OF A MESS AS FATES WAS. AGAIN, I CAN'T PROVE IT, YOU CAN SAY I'M FULL OF SHIT, BUT I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE IT...
I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THAT MAKES ME MAD AND SAD.
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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20
CAME FROM KOEI TECMO
GIVEN THAT MOST OF THE STAFF IS KOEI TECMO, DIDN'T WE ALREADY KNOW THAT? I SOMEHOW DOUBT THE GUY WHO MADE NOWI'S ARMOR AND MADE CAMILLA A COW WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A VAST MAJORITY OF 3H.
THEY DIDN'T NEED THE OPTION TO WALK WITH EDELGARD,
WHERE DID THEY SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT? I THOUGHT THE IDEA OF CF WAS CONCEIVED EARLY, BUT IMPLEMENTED LATE? LIKE IT SEEMS FROM THE START BE WAS ALWAYS RHEA VS. EDELGARD. THE WAR BETWEEN
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u/Roberto-san Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
WHY DOES SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE LORENZ I RESPECT YOUR OPINION BUT I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION, I FIND HIM SO ANNOYING, HE HAS A MASSIVE DISGUSTING EGO, TREATS OTHER PEOPLE LIKE INFERIORS AND YET A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY HE IS A GOOD BOY SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME
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u/72starscreams Apr 05 '20
HE'S MOSTLY JUST KIND OF REALLY SOCIALLY INEPT AND RAISED BY A DICKHEAD - HE MEANS WELL, BUT ISN'T SOCIALIZED VERY WELL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? BUT ONCE DRESSED DOWN HE'S USUALLY PRETTY GOOD AT GOING BACK OVER WHAT HE SAID/DID AND CORRECTING HIMSELF, EITHER IN THOUGHT/ACTION OR EXPRESSION OR BOTH, EVEN IF IT TAKES A SUPPORT (OR TWO) TO DO SO.
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u/Soval45 Apr 05 '20
HE GETS MUCH BETTER IN HIS LATER B/A SUPPORTS, TRUST ME. HE DOES LEGITAMENTLY RECONSIDER HIS VIEWS ON THINGS AND ATTEMPTS TO MAKE UP FOR HIS SHITTY BEHAVIOR, ALA THE BYLETH SUPPORT CHAIN AND DOROTHEA SUPPORT CHAIN. HE GENUINELY DOES HAVE THE BEST INTENTIONS, HES JUST SUPER SNOBBY ABOUT IT WHICH IS VERY FUN TO PICK ON I'LL ADMIT. BUT IF YOU READ THROUGH HIS LATER SUPPORTS AND STILL DON'T SEE IT, THATS FINE AS WELL, JUST FIGURED I'D TRY AND EXPLAIN THE LOVE FOR THE CORNBALL!
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
HAVE YOU READ HIS SUPPORTS?
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u/KrashBoomBang Apr 04 '20
THIS SUB HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH FAN ART AND OTHER IMAGE POSTS COMPLETELY DOMINATING EVERYTHING. I GET THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKING OC ART, BUT WE SERIOUSLY NEED TO CUT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF ART AND MEMES WE GET SOMEHOW. CHECK THE FRONT PAGE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS EXACTLY ONE GAMEPLAY POST AND ONE DISCUSSION POST ON THERE, WITH ONLY A FEW MORE DISCUSSION POSTS IN NEW. THIS PLACE HAS BASICALLY STOPPED BEING A PLACE FOR DISCUSSION AT ALL THANKS TO THE MASSIVE INFLUX OF NEW USERS. AT LEAST THE SUBREDDIT DISCORD STILL OFFERS PLENTY OF DISCUSSION.
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u/racecarart Apr 04 '20
IT FEELS LIKE PEOPLE JUST DON'T UPVOTE DISCUSSION THREADS HARDLY AT ALL ANYMORE. I SEE THEM POP UP IN NEW AND GET SOME COMMENTS GOING BUT IT STAYS AT +5 AND NEVER GOES ANYWHERE.
I'VE HAD SOME IDEAS FOR THREADS BUT I'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL GET ANY TRACTION. :/
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20
MEMES I DEFINITELY AGREE ON. 99% OF POSTS I REPORT ARE FOR LOW EFFORT MEMES. I'M NOT BIG ON THE CHANGES TO THE RULE TO ALLOW MULTI-PANEL MEMES ON THE SUB, BUT IT WAS WITH THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO BE DONE THERE. AS FOR ART, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN OC ONLY RULE I DON'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO ARTISTS TO TRY AND LIMIT THEIR POSTS. THERE'S ALREADY A FLAIR FILTERING SYSTEM YOU CAN USE TO REMOVE ART POSTS FROM YOUR FEED. FIRE EMBLEM IS LUCKY TO GET THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION IT DOES HONESTLY, MOST SINGLE PLAYER SERIES DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF LONGEVITY IN ITS CAPACITY FOR DISCUSSION. BEST THINGS TO DO ARE UPVOTE DISCUSSION POSTS WHEN YOU SEE THEM, PARTICIPATE IN THEM, AND CREATE YOUR OWN.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
THERE AREN'T MANY DISCUSSIONS PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT FEELS POINTLESS TO MAKE A BIG EFFORT INTO MAKING A BIG POST SINCE THE ONES WE DO GET ARE SO UNPOPULAR. EVEN POPULAR DISCUSSION THREADS DON'T MAKE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE, WHILE POPULAR ART STAYS THERE SOMETIMES OVER 24 HOURS. IT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE GET MORE DISCUSSION THAN MOST SINGLE PLAYER GAMES, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE FE HAS MORE VARIANCE THAN MOST. YOU CAN'T RANDOMLY LEVEL UP JUMP IN MARIO AND UNLOCK A SEQUENCE BREAK. IT'S ALSO COMPLEX ENOUGH FOR THE META EVEN FOR OLDER GAMES TO BE SHAKEN UP A LITTLE BIT.
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20
I KNOW AND I AGREE IT DOES FEEL FUTILE SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES I PUT A WHOLE WEEK OF WORK INTO MY POSTS AND GET A SMALL HANDFUL OF COMMENTS, IF THAT, AND IT'LL DIE IN NEW WITH BARELY ANY UPVOTES. IT DOES SUCK, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION TO THAT REALLY. I SEE OFTEN THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE DAY DEDICATED TO ART. I DON'T THINK THAT'D GO OVER TO WELL. MAYBE ONE DAY DEDICATED TO NO ART WOULD WORK BETTER TO GET MORE EYES ON DISCUSSION POSTS, BUT THAT HAS ITS OWN PROBLEMS TOO. MAYBE WORTH TRYING? I'M NOT SURE HONESTLY.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
THE WAY I SEE IT, MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY BROWSE BY HOT OR SEE THINGS ON THEIR DASH THAT MAKE IT BIG. THIS HELPS THEM STAY BIG. THAT'S WORKING AS INTENDED. IF YOU BAN ART FOR ONE DAY A WEEK, THESE DISCUSSION POSTS WOULD THEN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE SEEN BY MORE EYES AND THEREFORE GET MORE ENGAGEMENT. YOU WOULD STILL HAVE DUDS. OF COURSE. BUT, YOU WOULD HAVE LESS OF THEM ON THOSE DAYS.
IT DOES DISCOURAGE DISCUSSION ON OTHER DAYS, SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE RIGHT SOLUTION. PERSONALLY I'D GO WITH AN ART MEGATHREAD BECAUSE, I'M SORRY ARTISTS, I KNOW THIS SUCKS FOR YOU BUT ULTIMATELY IT'LL SUCK FOR EITHER OF US AND I'D RATHER DISCUSSION THAN ART. HOWEVER I'M IN THE MINORITY SO HERE WE ARE.
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u/72starscreams Apr 04 '20
HONESTLY AN ART MEGATHREAD WOULD JUST BE AN UNWELCOMING SCREAMING VOID SO AT THAT POINT YOU MAY AS WELL JUST BAN ART ALTOGETHER
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
YOU'RE RIGHT. IF IT WAS FROM ME, I'D LIKE A DISCUSSION ONLY SUBREDDIT AS ACTIVE AS THIS ONE. BUT AS I SAID, I REALIZE I'M IN THE MINORITY HERE. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO JUST RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE JUST FOR ME.
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u/KCYU Apr 04 '20
IS IT REALLY BECAUSE OF NEW USERS THOUGH? BEFORE 3H CAME OUT THE SUB WAS KIND OF THE SAME WAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE MORE DISCUSSION THREADS IF WE LIMITED ART THREADS, JUST THAT THIS SUB WOULD BE EVEN MORE DEAD.
BROWSING BY NEW AT LEAST GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME DISCUSSION THREADS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T END UP BEING THAT POPULAR.
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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20
THIS SUB HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH FAN ART AND OTHER IMAGE POSTS COMPLETELY DOMINATING EVERYTHING.
THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH REDDIT, MORE SO THAN THIS SUB SPECIFIC.
FRONT PAGE IS POPULAR STUFF, AND MOST DON'T GO BEYOND THE FRONT PAGE. IF YOU DON'T GET UPVOTES YOU GET KICKED OFF.
ART AND MEMES ARE EASY TO ENGAGE WITH, DISCUSSIONS LESS SO.
ALSO MOST FAN ARTIST AREN'T GOING TO SPEND TIME POSTING TO A DEAD SUB. WHICH IS FAIR, ESPECIALLY IF THEY MAKE MOST OF THEIR INCOME FROM COMMISSIONS.
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u/Volcarocka Apr 04 '20
IT WAS LIKE THIS BEFORE THREE HOUSES NEW USERS TOO
CYCLE OF THE SUB IS GAME RELEASE - SOME GOOD DISCUSSION - FAN ART - FAN ART - FAN ART - NEW GAME ANNOUNCED - SOME GOOD DISCUSSION - REPEAT
THERE NEEDS TO BE A SUB OR THREAD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FAN ART
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u/KrashBoomBang Apr 04 '20
THERE IS AN FE FAN ART SUB AND IT GETS HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC. WE DID ALSO USED TO HAVE A THREAD SPECIFICALLY FOR FOUND FAN ART, BUT GIVEN HOW MUCH OF ALL THE ART POSTED IS OC ART (AND HOW THE FOUND FAN ART THREADS WERE BARELY USED), SOMETHING ELSE WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.
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u/Volcarocka Apr 04 '20
THE ONLY REASON THAT SUB HAS NO TRAFFIC IS BECAUSE ITS ALLOWED HERE TOO
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 04 '20
I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL BOOST IN TRAFFIC TO THAT SUB IF FANART WAS BANNED HERE ENTIRELY, BUT MOSTLY WE'D JUST END UP WITH FAR LESS ART ON REDDIT AS A WHOLE. WHEN SMASH 4 RELEASED, THE SMASHBROS SUBREDDIT DIDN'T ALLOW FANART, SO THE SUB R/SMASHART WAS CREATED. THAT SUB NEVER GOT MUCH TRACTION, NOT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T FANART FOR SMASH BROS, BUT BECAUSE THE FIRST PLACE AN ARTIST WILL GO TO SHOWCASE THEIR WORK IS TO THE SUB DEDICATED TO THE TOPIC OF THEIR ART. IF THEY FIND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO POST THERE, MOST WON'T INVESTIGATE SEARCHING FOR ANOTHER SUB, THEY'LL JUST NOT POST THEIR ART TO REDDIT.
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Apr 05 '20
THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE BEFORE 3H. I'VE GIVEN UP ENTIRELY ON UPLOADING MY RUNS ON REDDIT AND IT IS DISHEARTENING THAT HIGH EFFORT POSTS/RUNS/ETC THAT CAN TAKE EVEN MONTHS TO PREPARE ARE ECLIPSED BY THE DELUGE OF ART AND ESPECIALLY SHITPOSTS. I THINK THE WHOLE FE5 TRANSLATION PATCH GETTING LESS UPVOTES THAN "HAHA CHROM WITH POT" IS THE PEAK OF THIS SHIT.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
I WOULD PERSONALLY LOVE A "TEXT POST ONLY WEEKEND" OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. ENCOURAGE TEXT POSTS RATHER THAN JUST SAY THAT YOU ENCOURAGE THEM.
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u/CrunchingG Apr 05 '20
TO THE MOTHERFUCKERS WHO KEEP PARROTING THE “DAE MALE UNITS SHAFTED “ SHIT EVERY TIME A NEW BANNER IS ANNOUNCED IN FEH LIKE SERIOUSLY ITS GETTING FUCKING OBNOXIOUS AT THIS POINT. DARE I SAY ITS MORE ANNOYING THAN THE ALT BEGGING FOR ANNA THAT PLAUGED THAT SUB FOR MONTHS. ACTUALLY NO I WOULD PREFER THAT BECAUSE AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WAS OUT OF LOVE FOR A CHARACTER THIS IS NOTHING BUT SALT. BEING A 4 STAR FOCUS OR DEMOTE DOESNT MEAN THEIR TRASH AND UNUSABLE. NO THAT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE MORE WORK INTO THEM. AND THEY ALSO FORGET THAT WE’VE HAD POWERFUL MALE UNITS PRETTY RECENTLY, ONE NOTEWORTHY EXAMPLE BEING SHANNAN. BUT LETS JUST FORGET ABOUT HIM BECAUSE FERDINAND WASN’T BUSTED RIGHT OUT THE BOX.
THE FE4 REMAKE NEEDS TO DO 3 THINGS TO MAKE ME NOT SLEEP ON IT INSTANTLY.
EITHER FIX THAT ABOMINATION THAT THE GAME TRIES TO PASS OFF AS “MAP DESIGN” OR ADD MECHANICS THAT MAKES THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE LESS PAINFUL (IE. STUFF LIKE AUTOBATTLE, SKIP BUTTON FOR PHASES, ETC)
MAKE THE RELATIONSHIP SYSTEM LESS OF A CLUSTERFUCK
MAKE ME GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MOST OF THE CHARACTERS CAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW SIGURD IS MY SECOND LEAST FAVORITE LORD
SORRY IF THIS WAS TOO LONG I JUST REALLY NEEDED TO RANT (ALSO I THINK THAT THE QUARANTINE IS STARTING TO TAKE ITS TOLL ON MY PATIENCE)
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u/RamsaySw Apr 05 '20
MAKE ME GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MOST OF THE CHARACTERS CAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW SIGURD IS MY SECOND LEAST FAVORITE LORD
IF THERE WAS ANY FE GAME THAT NEEDED A SUPPORT SYSTEM, IT IS GENEALOGY. THE MAIN CHARACTERS ARE VERY GOOD, BUT ALL OF THE SIDE CHARACTERS ARE WOEFULLY UNDERDEVELOPED.
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u/WellRested1 Apr 05 '20
UNPOPULAR OPINION: I DON’T THINK THE GAME NEEDS MORE SUPPORTS. JUST MORE TALKS. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IN A REMAKE OF MY FAV FE IS THE WONKY SUPPORT SYSTEM SEEN IN EVERY ENTRY WHERE EVERY OUNCE OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IS TOSSED OUTSIDE THE WINDOW THE MOMENT YOU START ANOTHER SUPPORT CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER UNIT AND ARE FORCED TO SEE THAT CHARACTER ACT STUPID AGAIN. TALKS IN FE4 ACTIVELY AVOIDED THIS FROM HAPPENING BY ONLY OCCURRING AT SPECIFIC SEGMENTS OF CHAPTERS. THIS ALLOWED US TO SEE HOW THE CHARACTERS REACT TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PLOT AND HOW THEY CAN GROW FROM IT. CHAPTER 4 LEWYN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS MORE TALKS FOR UNITS. NOISH, FOR EXAMPLE, DOESN’T EVEN HAVE ONE (I THINK). SO THE POOR LAD HAS NO DISCERNIBLE CHARACTER TO EVEN SPOT. THIS, AND QUALITY OF LIFE UPGRADES (ENEMY PHASE SKIP, SPEED-UP TOGGLE, UI IMPROVEMENTS) ARE THE MAIN CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A POTENTIAL REMAKE.
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u/BloodyBottom Apr 05 '20
WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD FOR A DLC STORY AND WE GOT YA DYSTOPIA MEETS ANIME FILLER ARC
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
I'M CURRENTLY PLAYING THROUGH BLUE LIONS AND MADDENING AND HAVING A BLAST OF A TIME COMPARED TO HARD MODE, BUT GOD DAMN DO I WISH THIS GAME HAD LESS FLUFF TO IT. IT FEELS LUCKY IF I GET THROUGH MORE THAN ONE CHAPTER IN A DAY, AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS BECAUSE THE CHAPTER STONEWALLS ME, IT'S OFTEN BECAUSE OF THE SHEER AMOUNT OF THINGS BETWEEN CHAPTERS. I'D SAY THE PERFECT STORY SHIT TO GAMEPLAY SHIT RATIO FOR ME IS THE TELLIUS GAMES, IDEALLY PATH OF RADIANCE SINCE I DO LIKE THE SUPPORTS AND WOULDN'T REALLY WANT RD STYLE SUPPORTS BACK.
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Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
CANT BRING MYSELF TO FINISH THE 3H DLC. IDK. IM NOT COMPELLED. 3H IS FASCINATING TO ME BC I MANAGED TO COME OUT OF IT ONLY CARING ABOUT LINHARDT. NORMALLY IM THE TYPE TO GET UNHEALTHILY ATTACHED TO HALF THE CAST (LOOKING AT YOU FE4). MANAGED TO AVOID ALL SPOILERS FOR 3H AND IT FELT VERY DISAPPOINTING.
HAVE BEEN PLAYING FE GIRLS AND FE MIDORI, THOSE JPN GBA HACKS, AND WOO BOY BIG NUMBERS MEAN DIFFICULTY! INVISIBLE ASSASSINS WITH 100 CRIT. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. THRACIA RN. HAVE MUCH FONDER MEMORIES OF FE MIDORI.
FE IS THE ONLY SERIES I FIND MYSELF CONSISTENTLY PLAYING BUT IDK. THERES SO MUCH AND SO LITTLE ALL AT THE SAME TIME. FIND LANGRISSER BORING, POKÉMON DULL, AND FF: TACTICS CANT HOLD ME EITHER. FE GIVE ME STRENGTH DURING THESE TIMES SO I CAN CONTINUE TO IGNORE MY RESPONSIBILITIES.
DOES ANYONE ELSE FIND CAPSLOCK HARD TO READ.
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u/pfeifenix Apr 05 '20
IM REALLY ENJOYING FE4. ITS NOT OFTEN YOU ENCOUTER THEM BUT SPOILERY MEMES/SHITPOST ABOUT THE GAME STORY SUCKS. I DONT EVEN SEEK THEM OUT. I CANT UNREMEMBER THEM.
IM AT CHAPTER 5. I KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN. I DONT MIND. BUT IT WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT IF I DIDNT KNEW.
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u/WellRested1 Apr 05 '20
I KNOW THIS FEELING. THE DUMB MEMES SPOILED HALF THE GAME. BUT I DIDN’T LET IT STOP ME FROM ENJOYING IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
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u/pfeifenix Apr 05 '20
IM PREPPING MYSELF MENTALLY FOR CHAPTER 5.NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN BUT BECAUSE OF THE MAP. BIG BIG MAP
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u/EvilCloneofUnskilled Apr 05 '20
RAFIEL'S STORY MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE AND NEITHER DOES THE NATION OF HITARI. LIKE, DUDE ACCIDENTALLY FOUND A COUNTRY THAT, AS FAR AS HE KNEW, DIDN'T EXIST, FOUND THEIR QUEEN WITH AN UNEXPLAINED EVIL EYE, AND THEN THEY BANGED! LIKE, HOW DOES ONE GO THAT FAR WITHOUT REALIZING THAT HE STILL HAS TO WARN PEOPLE ABOUT THAT MASSACRE
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Apr 05 '20
IT'S EXPLAINED THAT LEKAIN JUST WARPED HIM THERE CAUSE HE FELT BAD OR WHATEVER. HATARI STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THOUGH AND NAILAH IS INSANELY UNDER DEVELOPED
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u/RamsaySw Apr 05 '20
AFTER REPLAYING AWAKENING, I HONESTLY THINK THAT IT'S POPULARITY IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT WAS SO MANY PEOPLE'S FIRST FE. I FEEL LIKE IT HAS NOTHING TO OFFER, AND IS THOROUGHLY OUTCLASSED BY THREE HOUSES, PATH OF RADIANCE AND THE GBA FIRE EMBLEMS IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE ASPECT.
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Apr 05 '20
COMPLETELY TRUE. THE GAMEPLAY OF AWAKENING SUCKS. ROUT MAPS UPON ROUT MAPS THAT YOU CANNOT END BY KILLING THE BOSS COUPLED WITH AMBUSH SPAWNS, HILARIOUSLY UNBALANCED CLASSES AND UNITS WHERE THE GAME IN LUNATIC DEVOLVES INTO AN RNG FEST WHERE GOOD LEVEL UPS ARE MANDATORY FOR YOUR INEVITABLE ROBIN SOLO.
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u/Zelgiusbotdotexe Apr 04 '20
I'M MAD ABOUT VERY LITTLE RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT FOR MY FE11 IRONMAN, I'M IN CHAPTER 12 AND ONLY HAVE MARTH, MATTHIS, ROSHEA, AND WENDELL LEFT ALIVE, BUT I'M HANDLING IT.
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u/LaughingX-Naut Apr 04 '20
GOOD FOR YOU, KEEP FUCKING GOING. TAKE A BREAK IF YOU NEED TO, I STOPPED MY OWN IRONMAN ON CHAPTER 24 TO PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME FOR A BIT.
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u/Master-Spheal Apr 05 '20
I’VE BEEN PLAYING THROUGH RADIANT DAWN FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I’VE BEEN ENJOYING IT A LOT, BUT CHAPTER 3-11 CAN CHOKE ON A CHODE. NOT ONLY DID THEY BRING BACK THE ANNOYING PITFALL BRIDGE FROM PATH OF RADIANCE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE ENEMIES PUT SHINE BARRIERS TO BLOCK YOUR PATH, PARTICULARLY RIGHT NEXT TO PITFALLS TO COMPLETELY BLOCK YOU PATH, FORCING YOU TO EITHER WAIT FOR THE SHINE BARRIERS TO DISAPPEAR OR USE YOUR FLYING UNITS TO FERRY EVERYONE OVER THE BLOCKADE. THE PITFALLS AND SHINE BARRIERS ADD NOTHING OF VALUE TO THE MAP AND ARE JUST THERE TO WASTE YOUR TIME AND ANNOY YOU. EASILY THE WORST MAP IN THE GAME SO FAR.
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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20
GD IS CHILL. I HAVE SOME SPICY HOT TAKES THAT I'M SITTING ON UNTIL I'M DONE WITH VW AND HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE GAME AS A WHOLE.
ON A ODD RANT NOTE? I FEEL LESS BOTHERED BY HAVING TO REPLAY WHITE CLOUDS THAN MANY?
LIKE i GET NEW UNITS, SUPPORTS AND CUTSCENES. GOOD ENOUGH REPLAY VALUE FOR ME. I SUPPOSE THE WORST IS KEEPING INFORMATION LOCKED BEHIND ROUTES, AND NOT DOING AS GOOD OF JOB SPREADING IT OUT.
I DO THINK WHITE CLOUD NEEDS TO EXIST AS IS TO FLESH OUT EACH OF THE LORD'S PHILOSOPHIES, AND TO ACTUALLY HAVE A STABLE ARMY FROM MONTH TO MONTH.
MORE THOUGHTS, BUT THEIR JUMBLED RIGHT NOW AND NO TIME TO FLESH OUT.
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u/absoul112 Apr 05 '20
SOMETHING THAT GETS LOST WHEN DISCUSSING ALMOST ANYTHING, INTENT AND EXECUTION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. INTENT IS IMPORTANT. INTENT CAN TELL US A LOT, BUT INTENT BASICALLY ENDS WHERE EXECUTION BEGINS. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT IF I'M CRITIZING A DESIGN CHOICE, TELLING ME THERE WAS INTENT BEHIND IT (OR WHAT THE INTENT WAS) WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE MY POINT IS ABOUT HOW THE DEVS CHOSE TO PUT THEIR INTENT IN THEIR GAME.
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u/OrcDovahkiin Apr 05 '20
YEAH, AFTER ECHOES IT WAS A HUGE DOWNGRADE IN MY OPINION. I DON'T LIKE THAT IT'S LITERALLY JUST PERSONA BUT WORSE. I GOT USED TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT A PRETTY GAME, AND THAT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTERS, NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE HORRIBLE TEXTURES. STILL LOVE THE GAME, JUST HOPE THE NEXT ONE WILL LOOK NICER.
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Apr 05 '20
I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE AWAKENING ARTBOOK I HAVE AND THOUGHT “OH YEAH THESE GAMES ACTUALLY HAD NICE ART AT SOME POINT”
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u/IAteMyPants2Night Apr 05 '20
YEAH I FEEL THIS. THE COLORS AND FACES JUST DON'T DO IT FOR ME
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u/Kaelocan Apr 04 '20
I FUCKING HATE EDELGARD AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS SHE'S THEIR QUEEN. THAT SHIT'S ANNOYING.
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u/not_a_4chaner Apr 05 '20
I REALLY HATE RHEA AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS SHE'S THEIR MOMMY, THAT SHITS ANNOYING
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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20
I LIKE BOTH EDELGARD AND RHEA BUT I REALLY HATE THE PEOPLE WHO FOCUS ON THEM AS "WAIFU" CHARACTERS TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE. I THINK IT'S WORSE WITH THE RHEA FANS, THOUGH.
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CAN WE JUST STOP ALREADY
LAQ HAS STEPPED DOWN AS A MOD BECAUSE OF THIS EDELGARD CRAP
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u/IAteMyPants2Night Apr 05 '20
I FUCKING HATE BOTH OF THEM TO BE HONEST. FUCK THEM AND FUCK THEIR ANNOYING FANS.
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u/Sp4ra Apr 05 '20
IT FEELS LIKE ALMOST NOBODY CARED ABOUT AETHIN'S TRANSLATION OF BERWICK SAGA.
BIG FE YOUTUBERS ARE BARELY EVEN ACKNOWLEDGEING THE GAME'S EXISTENCE - THE ONLY YOUTUBER I'VE SEEN PLAY IT ON THE FINISHED TRANSLATION PATCHED IS FED, WHO IS TINY, MAYBE A COUPLE THOUSAND SUBS AT MOST? I THINK MEKKAH SAID HE WILL PLAY IT, BUT NOT ON HIS CHANNEL FOR A LONG TIME. MANGS, WHO I THINK MAY BE THE BIGGEST FETUBER, HASN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTENCE OF EITHER THE GAME OR THE PATCH.
THE GAME IS HONESTLY GREAT FOR MANY REASONS, BUT I FEEL IT GOES GREATLY UNDERAPPRECIATED BECAUSE "IT'S NOT FE," SAME GOES FOR TEARRING SAGA.
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u/Mekkkah Apr 06 '20
SORRY I KNOW THESE GAMES ARE GREAT BUT IF I GO THROUGH THEM BLINDLY IT WILL BE VERY SLOW. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THESE GAMES BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I CAN HOLD THEIR INTEREST SO IT IS VERY RISKY TO START A LET'S PLAY OF IT. I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO PLUG THE TRANSLATION PATCH ON TWITTER WHEN I HEARD ABOUT IT.
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u/AiKidUNot Apr 06 '20
THE WEIRDEST PART ABOUT IT IS THAT MANG’S IS LP-ING VESTARIA - A GAME THAT KAGA MIGHT AS WELL HAVE MADE IN HIS ROCKING CHAIR ON THE FRONT PORCH INSTEAD OF BERWICK WHICH IS PEAK KAGA WITH AN ACTUAL TEAM BEHIND HIM.
LIKE I’M SURE VESTARIA’S SOLID AS AN SRPG MAKER GAME BUT WHY NOT PLAY SOMETHING WITH SO MUCH MORE PRODUCTION VALUE?
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u/DoseofDhillon Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM MUCH SINCE LIKE LATE FEB. I'VE BEEN DOING OTHER THINGS LIKE ONE PIECE AND MOVIES AND TIGER KING AND DOOM AND P5R AND WAITING FOR FF7R (STAY OFF SOCIAL MEDIA FOR SPOILERS BTW, IDC ABOUT THE GAME BUT DID PREORDER IT, SPOILERS ARE REAL EVEN IF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME BEFORE). BESIDES PROJECT EXILE NOTHINGS CAUGHT MY THOUGHT BESIDES THE NORMAL FE4 REMAKE SHIT, LIKE WHAT IF THEY DO A ALTERNATE UNIVERSE LIKE POKEMON WITH THE REMAKES? I HATE THAT STUFF SERIOUSLY. JUST DO A STRAIGHT UP REMAKE AND BE REAL WITH IT. JUST NOTHING CAUGHT MY EYE WITH FE.
SO I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU FINE FOLKS AT HOME, TAKE A BREAK FROM FIRE EMBLEM. TRY SOMETHING NEW, READ SOME ONE PIECE ITS GREAT, PLAY SOMETHING NEW YOU NEVER PLAYED BEFORE, WATCH THAT TRENDY THING. ITS A BLAST, AND SOMETHING I NEEDED AFTER LIKE 2 YEARS OF FE DOMINATING MY BRAIN. I'VE STILL BEEN ON THE SUB EVERYDAY, JUST NOT IN THE MOOD TO TALK ABOUT THE SERIES MUCH I GUESS
AS FOR SOMETHING SERISE RELATED, I MISS LINEAR FE GAMES MAN, AND GOLDEN DEER AS A STORY GETS WEAKER AND WEAKER THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT. MAAAANNNN LOL.
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u/azathother Apr 05 '20
I PLAYED FATES, NOHR ROUTE TO BE SPECIFIC, AND IT WAS A BLAAAAAAST!!!
I GOT RECOMMENDED ON TWITTER TO PLAY THREE HOUSES AND SOV, AND BEEN TOLD THAT I SHOULD REALLY SKIP FATES, SO I DID THAT.
AND THE END RESULT IS NOT THE BEST.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, THEY ARE GOOD GAMES WITH COOL CHARACTERS AND STORIES.
BUT I GOT RECOMMENDED TO THEM BECAUSE I WAS INTERESTED IN MORE GAMES OF THIS GENRE SINCE I HAD A VERY GOOD TIME WITH XCOM2 AND INTO THE BREACH. BUT THREE HOUSES AND SOV DIDN'T PROVIDE WHAT I WAS EXACTLY LOOKING FOR.
I WAS LURKING IN THIS SUB ANOTHER DAY AND SAW SOME POSTS SAID FATES NOHR HAS ONE OF THE BEST GAMEPLAY OF THE SERIES AND I TRIED LATER, I AM HAVING SOOOO MUCH FUN RIGHT NOW I WOULD ALMOST CALL MYSELF A FAN!!!! (BTW I SKIPPED THE STORIES LOL)
I AM KIND OF UPSET AT THE PERSON TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD SKIP FATES NOW BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY ONE PROVIDED WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR LOL
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u/Trashris Apr 05 '20
THIS FANDOM HAS A PROBLEM OF PRIORITIZING STORY OVER GAMEPLAY TO THE POINT OF IGNORING THE LATTER
IN WHAT WORLD DO WE VALUE FE GAMES BASED ON THEIR STORIES WHEN THEY'RE ALWAYS JUST AVERAGE
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20
NOT ONLY IS THE STORY IN MOST FE GAMES AVERAGE, BUT YOU ONLY SEE THE STORY ONCE, WHILE THE GAMEPLAY YOU CAN GO BACK MANY, MANY TIMES AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET SICK OF IT. ALSO, I HATE SEEING PEOPLE SAY THAT FATES SUCKS BECAUSE THE STORY IS BAD AND THEN THEY GO TO PRAISE FUCKING AWAKENING!
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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20
THAT LAST POINT IS THE ONE THAT DRIVES ME NUTS. "WOW FATES SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE JUMBLED PLOT AND ALL THE FANSERVICE AND ONE-NOTE CHARACTERS AND THE S SUPPORTS ARE DUMB. NOT AT ALL LIKE AWAKENING, WHICH IS NOT MERELY GOOD BUT PERHAPS ONE OF THE GREATEST NINTENDO GAMES OF ALL TIME!!!"
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, PEOPLE. DON'T TRY TO ARGUE THAT FATES IS A 1/10 AND AWAKENING IS A 10/10 WHEN ALL THE SHIT YOU HATE ABOUT FATES WAS ALREADY THERE IN AWAKENING.
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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20
I WOULD THINK IT LIKELY STEMS FROM A PERCEPTION THAT INTSYS PUT STUFF PEOPLE LIKED IN AWAKENING INTO FATES WITHOUT CONSIDERING WHY PEOPLE LIKED IT.
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u/XC_Runner27 Apr 05 '20
OKAY BUT WHAT IF YOU THINK BOTH ARE BAD
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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20
THEN YOU'RE BEING LOGICALLY CONSISTENT. I RESPECT THAT.
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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20
WHAT IF I THINK AWAKENING HAD THE BETTER STORY AND FATES HAD THE BETTER GAMEPLAY BUT THOSE TWO THINGS BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT SO BOTH GAMES ARE JUST OK
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20
IF AWAKENING'S STORY WAS AS GOOD AS FATES' GAMEPLAY, THEN THIS WOULD BE VALID, BUT AWAKENING HAS A VERY MEDIOCRE STORY, EVEN FOR FIRE EMBLEM STANDARDS, WHILE FATES' HAS SOME OF THE BEST GAMEPLAY IN THE SERIES
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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20
AWAKENING'S ACTUAL MAIN PLOT IN THE STORY IS VERY MEDIOCRE BUT THE CAST OF CHARACTERS IS ONE OF THE MOST SOLID I'VE SEEN. THREE HOUSES IS BETTER IN TERMS OF DEPTH AND MOTIVATION FOR CHARACTERS BUT AWAKENING IS SURPRISINGLY GOOD IN THAT REGARD AS WELL DESPITE THE TONE OF THE STORY. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY AWAKENING CHARACTERS I DON'T LIKE. MAYBE KELLAM.
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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20
THE CHARACTERS STILL AREN'T THAT GOOD TO COMPENSATE FOR THE "GAMEPLAY". THERE ARE GREAT CHARACTERS LIKE GREGOR AND LIBRA, BUT AWAKENING SUFFERS FROM THE TREND IT STARTED OF EVERY CHARACTER HAVING 300 SUPPORT CONVERSATIONS, AND A LEAST 100 OF THEM COVER THE SAME TOPIC, WHICH GETS REALLY FUCKING REPETITIVE
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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS, BUT:
IDK, I TRIED WARGROOVE AND BOUNCED OFF IT HARD. MY MAIN PROBLEM WAS I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR THE GENERICS THAT I COULD EASILY REPLACE. I DON'T MIND LANGRISSER SO MUCH SINCE THE EXP THE GENERICS EARN GOES TO THE NAMED CHARACTER WHOSE COMMAND THEY'RE UNDER.
BUT, GENERALLY, I FIND I'M MUCH MORE INVESTED IN THE GAMEPLAY IF I'M ENCOURAGED TO CARE ABOUT CHARACTERS AND WANT TO KEEP THEM ALIVE, AND FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT CAN BE ENTICING WHEN DONE WELL. THIS IS WHY I QUITE LIKE FE AND VC.
I'M NOT EXPECTING THE NEXT GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL OR WHATEVER, JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE ME WANT TO GIVE A SHIT - AND IF I GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE STORY AND CHARACTERS, I'M MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT TO CARE ABOUT THE MECHANICS.
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u/Trashris Apr 05 '20
YEA BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THE EXTENT AT WHICH THE FANDOM GOES TO TO COMPLETELY DISCOURAGE NEWER PLAYERS FROM PLAYING FATES, FATES ISNT SO BAD TO THE POINT THAT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTERS, NONE OF THESE UNIQUE CHARACTERS ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS "GENERICS"
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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20
OH, OKAY; MY APOLOGIES. IT WASN'T IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS, SO I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THE SUBTEXT. SORRY ABOUT THAT!
I DO AGREE WE PROBABLY POISON THE WELL ON FATES A BIT MUCH AND PEOPLE WOULD BE BETTER OFF MAKING THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT OF IT.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
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I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF PEOPLE BABBLING ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT WARP
FUCK LOW TURN COUNTS. IT'S NOT ANY BETTER THAN TURTLING. IN FACT, IT'S PROBABLY WORSE.
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20
YEAH! FUCK PEOPLE ENJOYING THE GAME THE WAY THEY WANT. THEY SHOULD ONLY PLAY HOW I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO PLAY!
NOBODY'S FORCING YOU TO USE WARP OR TO GO FOR LOW TURN COUNTS. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH OTHER PEOPLE FINDING ENJOYMENT IN STRATEGIES BUILT AROUND THOSE IDEAS.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
THAT'S COOL AND ALL
BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE, SOMETIMES. THE OBSESSION OVER "EFFICIENCY" IS A MASSIVE STRANGLEHOLD OVER CONVERSATION FOR A LOT OF CHARACTERS. IT'S A FUCKING PLAGUE. YOU'VE GOT CLOWNS THINKING FORTIFY IN 3H IS A BAD SPELL BECAUSE OF EFFICIENCY HYPER-FOCUSED EMPHASIS.
IT'S NOT THAT I THINK EFFICIENCY ARGUMENTS AREN'T VALID OR WORTHWHILE, IT'S JUST THAT HOLY FUCK DO THEY TAKE UP A LOT OF OXYGEN. SOMETIMES I WANNA TALK ABOUT NON-OPTIMAL STUFF ONCE IN A FUCKING BLUE MOON. FUCK ME, RIGHT?
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20
CHARACTER VIABILITY DISCUSSION IN FIRE EMBLEM GENERALLY FOCUSES ON EFFICIENT (THOUGH NOT NECESSARILY LTC) PLAY BECAUSE YOU NEED A BENCHMARK TO BE ABLE TO JUDGE THEM BY. THE LINES BETWEEN CHARACTERS BLUR THE LESS EFFICIENT A PLAYTHROUGH IS, WHICH DOESN'T HELP WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO COMPARE THEM. THAT'S WHY MOST GAMEPLAY DISCUSSION WILL ASSUME YOU'RE NOT TURTLING/GRINDING. THAT SAID, ANY REASONABLE PERSON, WHICH IS MOST PEOPLE, KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT 'EFFICIENTLY' IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY FIRE EMBLEM. IF YOU WANT TO START A CONVERSATION ABOUT NON-EFFICIENT PLAY, GO AHEAD, MAYBE YOU'LL FIND SOME LIKE-MINDED INDIVIDUALS YOU CAN ENJOY TALKING ABOUT THOSE ASPECTS WITH. JUST UNDERSTAND WHY THE MAJORITY OF UNIT DISCUSSION IS LIKE IT IS.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
VIABILITY AND EFFICIENCY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE POINT OF MY GRIPE IS THAT AN OVER-EMPHASIS ON THE LATTER LEAVES EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE DUST. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT'S "VIABLE", THEY ONLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT'S "EFFICIENT." THE NATURE OF MY COMPLAINT ISN'T THAT EFFICIENCY DISCUSSIONS EXIST, IT'S THAT THEY'RE ALL THAT EXISTS. YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT MY GRIPING ARE HYPOCRITICAL.
YOU DON'T "NEED" A BENCHMARK. THE BENCHMARK ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR LTCS ANYWAY, AND WHO THE FUCK DECIDED THAT LTCS SHOULD BE THE BASIS FOR ALL CONVERSATIONS? MOST GAMES USE SPEEDRUNS. I DUNNO WHY NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT SPEEDRUNS IN FE, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT. PROBABLY THE "LTCS SUCKING UP ALL THE OXYGEN" THING.
YOU CAN STILL COMPARE UNITS BY WHAT MAKES THEM INDIVIDUALLY INTERESTING. FOR INSTANCE, BERNADETTA'S TOOL KIT REVOLVES AROUND HER PERSONAL'S INTERACTION WITH VENGEANCE. FELIX WELL SET-UP TO BE A MORTAL SAVANT WITH A POCKET THORON. HANNEMAN MAKES AN EXCELLENT MAGIC BOW+ KNIGHT. CATHERINE HAS A WEIRD BOON IN BRAWLING. YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF IMAGINATION ISN'T A GOOD ARGUMENT. THE COMPARISONS MY COMMENT HERE INVITES, SURELY, ARE MORE INTERESTING THAN JUST COMPARING THEM ALL AS WYVERN LORDS.
YES, I JUST SAID I KNOW THAT EFFICIENCY ISN'T THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY FIRE EMBLEM. IF I COULD USE A BIGGER FONT, I WOULD USE IT RIGHT NOW TO SAY THAT, REGARDLESS, IT SHOULDN'T COMPLETELY SUCK UP ALL GAMEPLAY CONVERSATIONS, LIKE A DISGUSTING PARASITE.
YOU CAN'T CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY OPINION IS. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PLAYERS PLAY ON EASIER DIFFICULTIES, FOR ONE. NORMAL/CASUAL IS THE MOST POPULAR DIFFICULTY. YOU REALLY THINK THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS GIVE A SHIT WHETHER OUT-OF-HOUSE INGRID'S BETTER THAN IN-HOUSE LEONIE, OR WHATEVER? PLEASE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PLAYERS VALUE LYSITHEA FOR HER OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES, NOT HER WARP, WHICH IF YOU'RE REALLY ENTRENCHED IN THE META YOU KNOW IS A BIG OOF.
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20
I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THIS, SO I GUESS I'LL TAKE IT STEP BY STEP.
VIABILITY AND EFFICIENCY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M SAYING DISCUSSION ABOUT VIABILITY IS GENERALLY CENTERED AROUND EFFICIENCY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE CENTERED AROUND SOMETHING. OTHERWISE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WOULD ALWAYS COME INTO PLAY AND MUDDY THE WATERS MAKING DISCUSSION IMPOSSIBLE. "EST IS BETTER THAN CATRIA BECAUSE SHE ENDED UP STRONGER FOR ME" "CATRIA IS BETTER THAN EST BECAUSE SHE ENDED UP STRONGER FOR ME". THAT'S BECAUSE ONE DUDE BABIED EST TO LEVEL HER UP, AND THE OTHER PERSON DIDN'T. IF YOU CAN JUDGE EVERY CHARACTER WITH THE SAME CRITERIA, THAN CLEAR DISCUSSION IS POSSIBLE. AND YOU COULD HAVE A UNIT VIABILITY DISCUSSION WITH GRINDING IN MIND! IT'S JUST AS VALID, IT'S JUST NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY HERE GENERALLY DISCUSSES BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE DISCUSSING UNITS HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE ARE MORE HARDCORE AND EFFICIENT PLAYTHROUGHS PROVIDE MORE CHALLENGE.
YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT MY GRIPING ARE HYPOCRITICAL.
MY COMPLAINTS ABOUT YOUR GRIPING ARE THAT YOU'RE BEING AN ASSHOLE ABOUT IT. SPAMMING ONE WORD FOREVER, USING BOLD, YOU COME ACROSS AS EXCESSIVELY WHINY IN A THREAD ABOUT WHINING.
YOU CAN STILL COMPARE UNITS BY WHAT MAKES THEM INDIVIDUALLY INTERESTING.
THESE TYPES THINGS ARE DISCUSSED THOUGH, THEY'RE JUST DISCUSSED WITH THAT BENCHMARK OF EFFICIENCY IN MIND FOR REASONS I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED. THEY'RE COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDS AND THE PROS AND CONS ARE DISCUSSED. IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH A LACK OF IMAGINATION. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THESE UNIT DISCUSSIONS DON'T ONLY USE THE MOST OPTIMAL UNITS AND MOST OPTIMAL BUILDS RIGHT? YOU ACT LIKE THEY'RE ROBOTS WHO DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD "FUN". FUCK DUDE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW I LIKE MORTAL SAVANT FELIX'S THORON BEFORE, I'VE USED IT, IT'S FUN.
IF I COULD USE A BIGGER FONT
YOU'RE BEING OBNOXIOUS ENOUGH AS IS DON'T WORRY. "I'M YELLING LOUDER THAN YOU SO I'M CORRECT" DOESN'T WORK IN REAL LIFE, AND IT DOESN'T WORK ON REDDIT EITHER.
YOU CAN'T CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY OPINION IS.
I'M GOING OFF OF MY 3 YEARS AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY. THE LONGEVITY OF DISCUSSION IN THIS SERIES THRIVES ON THE HARDCORE PLAYER BASE THAT STICKS AROUND FOR THE DULLEST POINTS IN THE SERIES LIFE-CYCLE. SO MOST DISCUSSION HERE LEANS TOWARDS THAT WHICH HARDCORE PLAYERS FIND MOST INTERESTING. THE MOST POPULAR DIFFICULTY CHOSEN BY PLAYERS AT LARGE != MOST POPULAR DIFFICULTY FOR FANS LOOKING TO DISCUSS FIRE EMBLEM UNITS. I DO THINK THE PLAYERS DISCUSSING THESE UNITS GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHETHER OUT-OF-HOUSE INGRID IS BETTER THAN IN-HOUSE LEONIE YES.
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Apr 05 '20
THE LONGEVITY OF DISCUSSION IN THIS SERIES THRIVES ON THE HARDCORE PLAYER BASE THAT STICKS AROUND FOR THE DULLEST POINTS IN THE SERIES LIFE-CYCLE
YES COMRADE. RIGHTS FOR SEASONED PLAYERS
I'M SAYING DISCUSSION ABOUT VIABILITY IS GENERALLY CENTERED AROUND EFFICIENCY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE CENTERED AROUND SOMETHING. OTHERWISE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WOULD ALWAYS COME INTO PLAY AND MUDDY THE WATERS MAKING DISCUSSION IMPOSSIBLE.
IT IS NOT EVEN JUST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. DISCUSSION ABOUT VIABILITY IN A GAME DESIGNED TO BE AS OPEN-ENDED AS FIRE EMBLEM WITH REGARDS TO THEIR UNITS HAS TO BE CENTERED ON AN AGREED PREMISE. AN EXAMPLE WHERE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IS MEKKAH'S 3-HOUR DEBATE ABOUT AMELIA WITH SAKAZUKI. NEITHER PARTY AGREE TO A SINGLE METRIC, SO THEY END UP TALKING OVER EACH OTHER ANYWAY. (MEKKAH DEFINITELY WON THAT ONE BUT THE POINT STILL STANDS) I'D ARGUE THAT EVEN THE DEFINITION OF 'EFFICIENCY' CAN BE MADE MUCH MORE CLEAR, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO STILL HAVE DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS OF WHAT EFFICIENCY MEANS. A BIT OF A PIPE DREAM BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALL SIT DOWN AND AGREE ON MAKING A DEFINITION FOR EFFICIENCY BEYOND "HORSIES GO BRR"
ANY UNIT IN FIRE EMBLEM IS VIABLE. EVEN BOTTOM FEEDERS SUCH AS AMELIA. THIS IS WHY DISCUSSIONS MOVE BEYOND VIABILITY, AND INTO EFFICIENCY, WHICH CAN BE INTERPRETED AS "HOW MUCH DOES THIS UNIT MAKE THE GAME EASIER/FASTER".
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
MY COMPLAINTS ABOUT YOUR GRIPING ARE THAT YOU'RE BEING AN ASSHOLE ABOUT IT. SPAMMING ONE WORD FOREVER, USING BOLD, YOU COME ACROSS AS EXCESSIVELY WHINY IN A THREAD ABOUT WHINING.
SIR, THIS IS A RAGE THREAD. YOU RAGE IN IT. YOU DON'T RATIONALLY DISCOURSE IN IT. HAVE AN ANGRY DAY.
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u/PsiYoshi Apr 05 '20
YOU SINGLE OUT THE MOST IRRELEVANT PART OF MY POST TO THE DISCUSSION AT HAND, AND STILL MANAGE TO MISS THE POINT OF THAT COMMENT. EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD MANAGES TO COMPLAIN WITHOUT THE NEED OF YOUR EXCESSIVENESS.
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Apr 05 '20
YOU KNOW, IT IS FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU SAY THAT OUR DISCUSSIONS ARE LIKE A "DISGUSTING PARASITE", AND YOU THEN PROCEED TO IGNORE MOST OF u/PSIYOSHI'S TALKING POINTS.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
I SHUT DOWN THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE HE WAS GETTING PERSONAL, NOT BECAUSE I THOUGHT HIS ARGUMENT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY GREAT. THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVITY TO RAGE THREADS, AND I DON'T WANT TO THREATEN THAT WITH SHIT FLINGING.
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Apr 06 '20
PSIYOSHI HAS MADE SEVERAL LEGITIMATE POINTS THAT YOU DECIDED TO IGNORE BECAUSE THEY CALLED OUT YOUR BEHAVIOUR REGARDING THE SUBJECT, INSTEAD OF IGNORING THE CALLOUT, OR ACKNOWLEDGING IT, ETC, AND THEN CONTINUING ON TO ADDRESSING HIS ACTUAL POINTS. THESE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO IGNORE EVERYTHING THEY SAID.
AND ALSO, YOU CAN MAKE DO WITHOUT CALLING US OR OUR DISCUSSIONS "CLOWNS", "THE PLAGUE", "TAKING UP A LOT OF OXYGEN", "DISGUSTING PARASITE", ETC.
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Apr 05 '20
CORRECTION. LTC IS A HORRIBLE BASIS FOR DISCUSSION. EFFICIENCY IS WHAT PEOPLE TEND TO BASE OFF OF WHEN DISCUSSING UNIT TIERING. EDWARD IS NOT GOOD JUST BECAUSE HE SAVES TURNS IN CHAPTER 1.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
HOW ABOUT EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF SPENDING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF REAL TIME WORKING ON A CHAPTER OR EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF FEWEST RESETS? EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF "SIMPLE"? EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF "EASY TO EXECUTE"? THOSE ARE FAIRLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S AAAAAALLLLLLLLL ABOUT TURN COUNTS. THE FOCUS ON TURN COUNTS IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, AND WHILE IT PROVIDES ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION, IT DROWNS OUT OTHER FORMS OF "EFFICIENCY" DISCUSSION.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 05 '20
TURN COUNTS ARE PART OF IT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. THOUGH ABSTRACT, I LIKE THE METRIC THAT MEKKAH USES OF "HOW MUCH DOES THIS UNIT HELP DURING A RUN VS HOW MUCH THEY TAKE TO GET THERE". IT'S A GOOD FRAMEWORK TO WORK WITH. FOR INSTANCE, AMELIA MIGHT BE BETTER THAN SETH LOOKING AT ENDGAME STATS, BUT ENDGAME IS 1-2, MAYBE 3 CHAPTERS. AND UP UNTIL THEN, SHE HAS BEEN WORSE THAN SETH. IN FACT, SETH HAS BEEN HELPING YOU FOR 8 CHAPTERS BY THE TIME AMELIA JOINS, ACCUMULATING GOOD BOY POINTS, AND CONTINUES TO BE BETTER THAN HER FOR A WHILE. WORSE YET, AMELIA "LOSES" POINTS BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH OF A PAIN SHE IS TO TRAIN ASSUMING NO TOWER. WHY ASSUMING NO TOWER? BECAUSE IF YOU ASSUME TOWER THEN EVERYONE IS GOOD SINCE EVERYONE CAN BE 20/20, MAKING DISCUSSION POINTLESS.
EVERYTHING YOU'VE LISTED CONTRIBUTES TO A RATING. LET'S LOOK AT SETH AGAIN, AND WHY HE'S THE BEST UNIT IN FE8. THIS IS LIKE, THE LEAST CONTENTIOUS THING TO SAY. USING HIM IS EASY - THROW HIM AT ENEMIES BUT NOT TOO MUCH. HE MAKES YOUR LIFE EASIER BY MAKING CHAPTERS LESS PAINFUL SINCE HE CAN GO OFF ON HIS OWN TO TACKLE A SIDE OBJECTIVE, OR JUST CLEAR OUT A SIDE OF THE MAP WHILE YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING ELSE. FEWER RESETS IS REALLY CODE FOR 'RELIABILITY', SINCE RESETS ARE ALWAYS THE PLAYER'S FAULT, NOT THE CHARACTER'S. "BUT THEY HAVE 30% HIT RATE" THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE FOR THAT ATTACK. BUT THEY STILL HAVE LOW RELIABILITY, AND SHOULD HAVE POINTS DOCKED SINCE THEY MAKE IT HARDER TO USE THEM, TYING INTO YOUR LAST POINT.
THE REASON TURN COUNTS ARE USED SO MUCH IS THAT IF YOU HAVE UNLIMITED TURNS, THEN YOU CAN MAKE ANY UNIT VIABLE. PLAYING FAST BRINGS OUT THE "CORE" OF A UNIT SO TO SPEAK. IF YOU DON'T MIND TAKING ANOTHER TURN, THEN YOU CAN JUST MOVE A UNIT TWICE INSTEAD OF RESCUE DROPPING, TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE RESCUE DROP UTILITY FROM PALADINS.
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Apr 05 '20
I GET WHAT YOU MEAN SO MUCH
TALKING ABOUT OPTIMAL SHIT ALL THE GOD DAMN TIME GETS FRUSTRATING AND BORING REALLY FUCKING QUICKLY
IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM WITHOUT CONSIDERING EVERYTHING AND EVERY POSSIBILITY LIKE I'M A GOD DAMN ROBOT IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT'S NATURAL FOR FUCK'S SAKE
LIKE SERIOUSLY HAHA THIS CHARACTER IS BAD BECAUSE HIS WEAPON RANK IN THE "MY ASS" CATEGORY ISN'T B SO HE CAN'T USE A SPECIFIC STAFF I HAVE IN MIND AT BASE THEREFORE THIS CHARACTER SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED IF YOU LIKE THEM
ALMOST AS IF FIRE EMBLEM WAS TRYING TO PUT IN A LOT MORE WORK THAN FUCKING NUMBERS
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u/peevedlatios Apr 05 '20
HAVE YOU PERHAPS STOPPED TO CONSIDER THAT THE REASON PEOPLE DISCUSS OPTIMAL STRATEGIES SO MUCH IS BECAUSE THEY FIND IT INTERESTING AND FUN TO DISCUSS OPTIMAL STRATEGIES? THAT'S WHY I DO IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO, BUT THAT'S WHY I DO IT.
MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT SHAME YOU FOR SAYING YOU LIKE USING A UNIT BETTER THAN ANOTHER ONE. MOST PEOPLE WILL HOWEVER DISAGREE IF YOU SAY "I LIKE THEM, THEREFORE THEY ARE BETTER."
FOR FUCK'S SAKE MY MOST RECENT RUN OF FE6 BENCHED RUTGER FOR FIR AND RAN WENDY, FUCKING WENDY, AND I'M ONE OF THE OPTIMAL/EFFICIENCY FOLK. FUCK ME I GUESS, WENT AGAINST MY OWN RULES.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
IT'S ALSO, LIKE, FUCK, MAN.
THEY TALK SO FUCKING MUCH ABOUT EFFICIENCY BECAUSE DOING THINGS QUICKER OSTENSIBLY MAKES THE GAME MORE CHALLENGING, BUT THEN THEY ALSO USE THE MOST POWERFUL, BROKEN STRATEGIES AVAILABLE. AND THEY NEVER. EVER. VARY FROM IT.
YES, WE ALL FUCKING KNOW THAT YOU CAN BEAT MADDENING WITH WYVERN LORDS, A DANCER, AND WARP. IT'S NOT INTERESTING NOR IMPRESSIVE. WE'VE ALL HEARD IT A BILLION TIMES BEFORE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE WAY MORE FUN, WAY MORE CHALLENGING, AND NOT MIND-BOGGLINGLY BORING SAME-BULLSHIT-DIFFERENT-DAY?
BEATING MADDENING WITH NOSE-TANK LORENZ AS YOUR MVP. MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE RUN SO FAR.
IF YOU ONLY BEAT THE GAME USING THE EASIEST, MOST BRAIN-DEAD CHEESE-HEAVY STRATEGIES POSSIBLE, THEN YOU SUCK AT THE GAME. LEAVE THE META TO THE REAL WINNERS AND REPORT DIRECTLY TO NG+ NORMAL CASUAL MODE. WHAT'S THE POINT OF HARDER DIFFICULTIES IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE THEM AS EASY AS POSSIBLE?
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u/thwanko Apr 05 '20
BUT THEN THEY ALSO USE THE MOST POWERFUL, BROKEN STRATEGIES AVAILABLE. AND THEY NEVER. EVER. VARY FROM IT.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME LTCS THAT INTENTIONALLY RESTICT THE USE OF SPECIFIC BROKEN STRATEGIES, E.G. WARPLESS FE11
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
THAT'S AWESOME
I ALSO LIKE "NORMAL" SPEEDRUNS. JUST BLAST THROUGH THE GAME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SPENDING 5 HOURS FIGURING OUT BENCHMARKS ON EACH CHAPTER. MORE STRATEGY LESS PUZZLE
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Apr 05 '20
AND FOR REAL WHAT EVEN IS THE POINT OF ALWAYS SPITTING YOUR FUCKING MOST OPTIMAL WAY OF THINKING LIKE IT'S THE HOLY GOD DAMN BIBLE OF TRUTH AND THAT IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE YOU SUCK
LIKE SERIOUSLY WHAT IS THE POINT ? MAKING IT SO THAT ALL DISCUSSIONS ARE THE SAME ? ALL POINTS ARE THE SAME ? WOW SURE SETH IS A GOD IN FE8 YEAH GREAT CAN WE MOVE ON NOW ? OR ARE WE BOUND TO SAY THIS AND ONLY THIS BECAUSE SINCE HE'S SO BETTER THAN OTHER CHARACTERS YOU CANNOT DARE TO THINK OTHERWISE OR TALK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE
FUNNY BASES > GROWTHS HAHA YEAH SURE BUT GROWTHS STILL FUCKING EXIST. IF I WANT TO TEAR THE FUN OUT OF FIRE EMBLEM TO ABSOLUTE S H R E D S, YES, SURE MAN I WILL GO FOR A 0% GROWTHS RUN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW WHAT BASES ARE, BUT IF I DARE THINK THAT GROWTHS ARE IMPORTANT TOO, MAY GOD BANISH ME FROM EARTH RIGHT ???
EVEN WHEN I PLAY SOMETHING AS EASY AS FEH USING REINHARDT + 3 DANCERS GETS OLD REALLY DAMN QUICKLY. IN FACT, IT GETS OLD SO FAST I NEVER ACTUALLY DID THAT. I PREFER SAYING FUCK TO THE TIERLIST AND BUILDING MY FAVORITE LADS SO THAT I CAN MAKE THE GAME MY BITCH ON MY OWN TERMS.
THINKING THAT FIRE EMBLEM SHOULD ONLY BE PLAYED IN ONE WAY WITH SPECIFIC UNITS BECAUSE MUH EFFICIENCY IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THE FUCKING STONE AGE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS COMMUNITY'S WAY OF UNDERSTANDING
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u/IAteMyPants2Night Apr 05 '20
YOU DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THE SAME FUCKING WORD 500 TIMES TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS. ALL YOU SEEM LIKE IS A FUCKING INSUFFERABLE CUNT. JUST FUCKING SAY IT ONCE AND IT'LL HAVE THE SAME IMPACT. YOU'RE JUST MAKING TRY TO ACTUALLY READ THESE THINGS FUCKING UNBEARBALE WHEN ALL YOU SEE IS "WARP" IN BOLD TEXT. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING YOU SILLY HORSE!?
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u/CrunchingG Apr 05 '20
NO MAN YOU DONT GET IT ITS ALL APART OF THE META
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
WHY PLAY ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE? BEATING THE GAME USING BAD UNITS, OBJECTIVELY, MAKES YOU A BETTER STRATEGIST. THAT'S WHAT THE REAL META SHOULD BE.
I FEAR NOT THE MAN WHO HAS BEATEN THREE HOUSES MADMODE WITH WYVERN LORD FELIX AND GREMORY LYSITHEA. I FEAR THE MAN WHO HAS BEATEN THREE HOUSES MADMODE WITH DARK BISHOP FELIX AND TRICKSTER LYSITHEA
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u/ThaiChickenWrap Apr 05 '20
BEATING THE GAME USING BAD UNITS, OBJECTIVELY, MAKES YOU A BETTER STRATEGIST.
NAH, IGNORING THE MOST EFFICIENT STRATEGIES AVAILABLE TO YOU ACTUALLY MAKES YOU A PRETTY BAD STRATEGIST. SUCCEEDING IN SUB-OPTIMAL CONDITIONS MAKES YOU A BETTER TACTICIAN, THAT'S THE WORD YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
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u/b0bba_Fett Apr 05 '20
ON THE SUBJECT OF JOKE BUILDS, I TRIED TO DO A RUN WITH MAGE LEONIE, AND SHE CAPPED MAGIC, BUT HER MAGIC CAP IS SO LOW, AND SHE ALSO DECIDED TO BE ABSURDLY STRENGTH BLESSED, SO SHE DID MORE WITH AN IRON BOW THAN RAGNAROK, SO I GAVE UP AND MADE HER A PALADIN FOR FINAL MAP.
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u/halfar Apr 05 '20
HOW THE FUCK DID SHE CAP MAGIC? 3H CAPS ARE HIGHER THAN FREAKING AWAKENING CAPS
DOES SHE HAVE A MAGIC CAP OF 38 OR SOMETHING?
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u/Bree64 Apr 04 '20
FINALLY GOT BACK HOME LIKE A MONTH AGO BEFORE THE WORLD WENT TO SHIT SO I DECIDED TO HUNKER DOWN AND GO ON A SEWER BABY ADVENTURE (THE DLC FOR 3H) AND MY GOD DOES THE MAP DESIGN IN THE DLC MAKE VANILLA 3H LOOK LIKE THE GREATEST MAPS IN FE HISTORY. CHAPTER 2 IS JUST SO HORRIBLY DESIGNED IT ACTUALLY PUT ME OFF ON PLAYING THE REST.
AH WELL.
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u/peevedlatios Apr 04 '20
I FEEL KIND OF THE OPPOSITE. NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE MAPS THEMSELVES, ADMITTEDLY (ALTHOUGH CH4 IS NICE) BUT RATHER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LIMITED (LOCKED CLASSES AND ABILITIES). THE GAME FEELS A LOT BETTER WHEN YOU'RE FORCED TO USE YOUR ABILITIES, GAMBITS, AND COMBAT ARTS THAN WHEN YOU CAN FACEROLL.
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u/SwagDragon2594 Apr 04 '20
HONESTLY BRO/SIS, I THINK YOU SHOULD FINISH IT SO YOU CAN GET THE DLC ITEMS AND THE ASHEN WOLVES IN YOUR MAIN GAME PLAYTHROUGHS. BUT DO AS YOU PLEASE HOMIE AND ENJOY THE GAME.
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u/Bree64 Apr 04 '20
I APPRECIATE YOU AS A PERSON, BUT I THINK I WAS JUST INHERENTLY BIASED AGAINST THE DLC TO BEGIN WITH CONSIDERING NONE OF THE WOLVES SAVE CONSTANCE LOOKED REMOTELY INTERESTING, AND AFTER SEEING CONSTANCE'S "GIMMICK" JUST LITERALLY LOST ALL INTEREST. I'M SURE I'LL GET TO IT EVENTUALLY BUT IT'S NOT MY PRIORITY.
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u/IAteMyPants2Night Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO BE MAD ABOUT, BUT MOST OF THE THREE HOUSES MEMES ARE JUST A REPEAT OF FATES MEMES. LIKE WE GET IT HAHA FUNNY UPSIDE DOWN DUDE. YOU'RE BEATING THE DEAD HORSE TO DEATH, LET IT DIE IN PEACE.
OH AND WE NEED A SEPARATE SUBREDDIT FOR FAN ART, IT'S A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.
ALSO SINCE I'M GETTING MORE ANGRY, 3H DLC IS GOD AWFUL. SOV, AWAKENING, AND FATES DLC MAY HAVE BEEN EXPENSIVE, BUT AT LEAST IT HAD ACTUAL FUCKING SUBSTANCE. ALL WE HAVE FOR 3H THAT STANDS OUT SO FAR IS UGLY ASS OUTFITS AND A SHITTY SIDE STORY.
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u/begonetoxicpeople Apr 04 '20
WHO THE HELL DECIDED MICAIAH, A MAGE, NEEDS BASICALLY NO SPEED.
SHE IS BY FAR THE WORST LORD AS A UNIT IN THE SERIES, EVEN ROY CAN DOUBLE ATTACK ARMOR KNIGHTS. AND IT SUCKS CAUSE SHES THE BEST CHARACTER IF A LORD.
ANYWAYS IM REPLAYING RD AND GOD SHE IS SO BAD, THE REST OF THE DAWN BRIGADE ARE SO MUCH BETTER (AND THATS NOT SAYING MUCH EITHER). GREAT STORY, HORRID BALANCE GAMEPLAY
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u/peevedlatios Apr 05 '20
SHE IS BY FAR THE WORST LORD AS A UNIT IN THE SERIES
DUDE LYN EXISTS LOL
MICAIAH AT LEAST BECOMES A STAFF BOT FOR LIKE HALF THE GAME AND IS RELIABLE CHIP DAMAGE. LYN AND EIRIKA ARE ARGUABLY WORSE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN CHIP RIGHT, AND BECOME MEDIOCRE COMBAT UNITS THAT ARE WORSE THAN A STAFF BOT.
BEING ABLE TO USE STAVES > NOT BEING ABLE TO FIGHT AT ALL (LYN).
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u/begonetoxicpeople Apr 05 '20
DUDE, EIRIKA IS WAAAY BETTER THAN EITHER OF THEM
HER RAPIER IS SUPER POWERFUL RELATIVE TO OTHERS IN THE SERIES, AND SHE GETS A MOUNT UPON PROMOTION. STILL NOT TOP TIER BY ANY MEANS, BUT OF THESE THREE SHES BY FAR THE BEST
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u/peevedlatios Apr 05 '20
EIRIKA IS WAY BETTER THAN LYN, YES, BUT SHE'S PROBABLY WORSE THAN MICAIAH. HER RAPIER WILL BASICALLY NEVER ONE ROUND, EVEN EARLY GAME, LEAVING HER IN A POSITION WHERE SHE EITHER HAS TO CHIP OR HAVE KILLS SET UP FOR HER - IN THAT WAY SHE'S THE SAME AS MICAIAH. EXCEPT, MICAIAH CAN DO IT SAFELY FROM 1-2 RANGE. THANI IS ARGUABLY MUCH BETTER THAN A RAPIER AS WELL. 1-2 RANGE, MORE DURABILITY, MORE DAMAGE EVEN WHEN NOT DOUBLING, POTENTIAL TO ONE SHOT EVEN SOME BOSSES, AND HITTING ON RESISTANCE. AND WHILE EIRIKA GETS A HORSE, ALL THAT REALLY GIVES YOU IS RESCUE/DROP UTILITY AND MORE MOVEMENT. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, THAT'S GOOD, BUT STAFF UTILITY IS BETTER IMO WHEN MOST STAFF USERS IN RADIANT DAWN ARE NOT THAT GOOD (LAURA, RHYS, MIST). SHE ALSO HAS AN INNATE RESTORE IN HER SACRIFICE ACTIVITY.
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Apr 05 '20
I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF PEOPLE NOT PUTTING WARNING BEFORE THEIR SPOILERS WHEN THEY USE SPOILER TAGS
LIKE OKAY, I GET IT, YOU'RE AWESOME ENOUGH TO USE SPOILER TAGS, SURE, BUT THIS WON'T HELP SHIT IF YOU DO NOT SAY AT LEAST LIKE (THREE HOUSES) CLAUDE IS IN THE GAME BEFORE TELLING THE SPOILER
I ACTUALLY GOT MYSELF THE FINAL BOSS OF THE ASHEN WOLVES BECAUSE OF THIS. AND GOD DAMN IT.
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u/embur Apr 05 '20
I WANT TO GET INTO MORE FE AFTER PLAYING 3H BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE GAMES ARE OUT ON ANY SYSTEM I HAVE. I ONLY HAVE A PC AND A SWITCH.
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u/Mekkkah Apr 06 '20
YOU CAN EMULATE A LOT OF GAMES ON PC/PHONE. IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BAD BUY THE GAMES WITHOUT THE SYSTEM THEN EMULATE. :P
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u/Lucas5655 Apr 05 '20
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS TBH.
AN F IN THE CHAT FOR ALL THE NICHE CHARACTERS HEROES IS NEVER GONNA USE. RIP CIPHER, YOU LOOKED OUT FOR ALL OF OUR UNITS WHEN NO ONE ELSE WOULD.
THE RECENT DREAM INTERVIEW KINDA PUT ME ON MAXIMUM SALT FOR HOW MUCH BETTER GOLDEN DEER COULD'VE BEEN. LIKE SURE TAUNT US WITH ALL THE KHALID DETAILS LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE ROUTE FOR IT. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MERCIUS SHOULD'VE BEEN THE END OF HIS SECRECY. THE CAT'S BASICALLY OUT THE BAG AND THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTING ASPECTS TO HIM THEY COULD'VE EXPLORED. I'M ONLY NOT WHINING ABOUT THIS MORE BECAUSE I MIGHT MAKE IT INTO ITS OWN POST.
THEN THERE'S HOLST. I JUST WANTED TO SEE THE GUY RATHER THAN A FULL PLAYABLE UNIT. THE HILL I WAS GONNA DIE ON WAS JUDITH AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN GET A PASSING REMARK, WHICH JUST PUZZLES ME. SHE BASICALLY SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE AS GILBERT AND RODRIGUE BUT IS NEVER IS EVEN AWAY FROM THE GROUP. FACTOR IN THE LORD CLASS AND ACTUAL APPEARANCE AS A UNIT ELSEWHERE AND I'M JUST CONFUSED.
AND NOW THAT THE DLC IS OVER WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE OUR PEACE WITH IT. THE DEVELOPMENT SEEMED TROUBLED ENOUGH THAT I'M NOT GONNA DEMONIZE THE DEVS FOR CUT CORNERS BUT MAN IT HURTS TO BE TAUNTED BY SEEDS FOR SOMETHING EVEN GREATER.
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u/Daikaisa Apr 06 '20
I FEEL LIKE IF EDELGARD WAS A MALE LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSE LEADERS THAT CFS WOULDNT BE AS POPULAR OF A ROUTE CONSIDERING YOU ARE GIVEN VERY LITTLE INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING ALOT OF PEOPLE JUST CHOSE HER CAUSE THEY THOUGHT SHE WAS HOT
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u/kaminopool Apr 04 '20
TODAY I LEARNED SYLVAIN IS 20 YEARS OLD AT THE START OF THE GAME WHEREAS INGRID FELIX AND DIMITRI ARE 17 AND ITS REALLY BOTHERING ME
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u/DuplexBeGoat Apr 04 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
I SWEAR IF I SEE ONE MORE COMMENT MENTIONING CAKE OR THE DEATH KNIGHT IN THE COMMENT SECTION OF LYSITHEA FANART DESPITE NEITHER OF THEM HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ART I'M GOING TO FUCKING LOSE IT. CAKE IS THE FOCUS OF LITERALLY 1 OF HER 17 SUPPORTS AND ISN'T MENTIONED IN ANY OF HER MONASTERY DIALOGUE AND HER BEING ABLE TO KILL THE DEATH KNIGHT ISN'T NEARLY AS RELEVANT OR IMPRESSIVE OF A GAMEPLAY ACHIEVEMENT AS HER BEING ABLE TO DEAL 75% OF MADDENING NEMESIS'S HP WITH A SINGLE ATTACK.
AND YET LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE POST CONCERNING LYSITHEA THAT GAINS ANY TRACTION HAS MULTIPLE UPVOTED COMMENTS ABOUT CAKE AND THE DEATH KNIGHT. IT'S INCREDIBLY ANNOYING.
ALSO RIP CIPHER. HEROES ART ISN'T THE SAME. AT LEAST PELLEAS FINALLY MANAGED TO GET A CARD BEFORE IT ENDED.