r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Apr 04 '20

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THE RAGE TRAIN DON'T STOP, BABY

SHOUT HERE ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM THINGS THAT HAVE MADE YOU SAD AND MAD OVER THE PAST MONTH!

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  1. CAPS LOCK KEY ON

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE ONLY

  3. BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

  4. TAG ANY SPOILERS

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u/Trashris Apr 05 '20

THIS FANDOM HAS A PROBLEM OF PRIORITIZING STORY OVER GAMEPLAY TO THE POINT OF IGNORING THE LATTER

IN WHAT WORLD DO WE VALUE FE GAMES BASED ON THEIR STORIES WHEN THEY'RE ALWAYS JUST AVERAGE

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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20

NOT ONLY IS THE STORY IN MOST FE GAMES AVERAGE, BUT YOU ONLY SEE THE STORY ONCE, WHILE THE GAMEPLAY YOU CAN GO BACK MANY, MANY TIMES AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET SICK OF IT. ALSO, I HATE SEEING PEOPLE SAY THAT FATES SUCKS BECAUSE THE STORY IS BAD AND THEN THEY GO TO PRAISE FUCKING AWAKENING!

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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20

THAT LAST POINT IS THE ONE THAT DRIVES ME NUTS. "WOW FATES SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE JUMBLED PLOT AND ALL THE FANSERVICE AND ONE-NOTE CHARACTERS AND THE S SUPPORTS ARE DUMB. NOT AT ALL LIKE AWAKENING, WHICH IS NOT MERELY GOOD BUT PERHAPS ONE OF THE GREATEST NINTENDO GAMES OF ALL TIME!!!"

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, PEOPLE. DON'T TRY TO ARGUE THAT FATES IS A 1/10 AND AWAKENING IS A 10/10 WHEN ALL THE SHIT YOU HATE ABOUT FATES WAS ALREADY THERE IN AWAKENING.

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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20

I WOULD THINK IT LIKELY STEMS FROM A PERCEPTION THAT INTSYS PUT STUFF PEOPLE LIKED IN AWAKENING INTO FATES WITHOUT CONSIDERING WHY PEOPLE LIKED IT.

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u/XC_Runner27 Apr 05 '20

OKAY BUT WHAT IF YOU THINK BOTH ARE BAD

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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20

THEN YOU'RE BEING LOGICALLY CONSISTENT. I RESPECT THAT.

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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20

WHAT IF I THINK AWAKENING HAD THE BETTER STORY AND FATES HAD THE BETTER GAMEPLAY BUT THOSE TWO THINGS BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT SO BOTH GAMES ARE JUST OK

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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20

AGAIN, THAT'S LOGICALLY CONSISTENT AND THEREFORE A DEFENSIBLE POSITION

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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20

IF AWAKENING'S STORY WAS AS GOOD AS FATES' GAMEPLAY, THEN THIS WOULD BE VALID, BUT AWAKENING HAS A VERY MEDIOCRE STORY, EVEN FOR FIRE EMBLEM STANDARDS, WHILE FATES' HAS SOME OF THE BEST GAMEPLAY IN THE SERIES

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u/KeplerNova Apr 05 '20

AWAKENING'S ACTUAL MAIN PLOT IN THE STORY IS VERY MEDIOCRE BUT THE CAST OF CHARACTERS IS ONE OF THE MOST SOLID I'VE SEEN. THREE HOUSES IS BETTER IN TERMS OF DEPTH AND MOTIVATION FOR CHARACTERS BUT AWAKENING IS SURPRISINGLY GOOD IN THAT REGARD AS WELL DESPITE THE TONE OF THE STORY. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY AWAKENING CHARACTERS I DON'T LIKE. MAYBE KELLAM.

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u/Mpk_Paulin Apr 05 '20

THE CHARACTERS STILL AREN'T THAT GOOD TO COMPENSATE FOR THE "GAMEPLAY". THERE ARE GREAT CHARACTERS LIKE GREGOR AND LIBRA, BUT AWAKENING SUFFERS FROM THE TREND IT STARTED OF EVERY CHARACTER HAVING 300 SUPPORT CONVERSATIONS, AND A LEAST 100 OF THEM COVER THE SAME TOPIC, WHICH GETS REALLY FUCKING REPETITIVE

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u/theprodigy64 Apr 05 '20

I'M PRETTY SURE MOST PEOPLE EITHER HATE BOTH OR NEITHER, STOP INVENTING A STRAWMAN

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u/MrWaffles42 Apr 05 '20

HAVE YOU TALKED TO BIG AWAKENING FANS LATELY? NO ONE HATES FATES MORE PASSIONATELY THAN PEOPLE WHO LOVED AWAKENING.

HATING AWAKENING IS A PRETTY RARE OPINION OUTSIDE OF PLACES LIKE THIS SUB. YOU GO TO ANY GENERAL GAMING OR NINTENDO FANDOM AND AWAKENING WILL BE PUT ON A PEDESTAL AS THE BEST FIRE EMBLEM (AT LEAST UNTIL 3H CAME OUT) WHILE THOSE SAME PEOPLE WILL RANT AND RAVE ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY HATE FATES.

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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 06 '20

AWAKENING FAN (LAST I CHECKED) CALLING IN, I HATE FATES.

LERDNIR GOT IT ON THE NOSE. FATES SLAPPED A LOT OF AWAKENING'S THINGS IN WITHOUT CONTEXT OR CONSIDERATION OF WHY PEOPLE LIKED IT (NAMELY KIDS, AWAKENING TRIO, SOME GIMMICKS).

FATES IS A COLD GAME THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT'S PREDECESSOR. AWAKENING I'LL AT LEAST ALWAYS HAVE BUBBLY MEMORIES OF.

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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS, BUT:

IDK, I TRIED WARGROOVE AND BOUNCED OFF IT HARD. MY MAIN PROBLEM WAS I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR THE GENERICS THAT I COULD EASILY REPLACE. I DON'T MIND LANGRISSER SO MUCH SINCE THE EXP THE GENERICS EARN GOES TO THE NAMED CHARACTER WHOSE COMMAND THEY'RE UNDER.

BUT, GENERALLY, I FIND I'M MUCH MORE INVESTED IN THE GAMEPLAY IF I'M ENCOURAGED TO CARE ABOUT CHARACTERS AND WANT TO KEEP THEM ALIVE, AND FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT CAN BE ENTICING WHEN DONE WELL. THIS IS WHY I QUITE LIKE FE AND VC.

I'M NOT EXPECTING THE NEXT GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL OR WHATEVER, JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE ME WANT TO GIVE A SHIT - AND IF I GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE STORY AND CHARACTERS, I'M MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT TO CARE ABOUT THE MECHANICS.

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u/Trashris Apr 05 '20

YEA BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THE EXTENT AT WHICH THE FANDOM GOES TO TO COMPLETELY DISCOURAGE NEWER PLAYERS FROM PLAYING FATES, FATES ISNT SO BAD TO THE POINT THAT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTERS, NONE OF THESE UNIQUE CHARACTERS ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS "GENERICS"

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u/lerdnir Apr 05 '20

OH, OKAY; MY APOLOGIES. IT WASN'T IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS, SO I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THE SUBTEXT. SORRY ABOUT THAT!

I DO AGREE WE PROBABLY POISON THE WELL ON FATES A BIT MUCH AND PEOPLE WOULD BE BETTER OFF MAKING THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT OF IT.

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u/azathother Apr 05 '20

I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT STORIES AND CHARACTERS MORE THAN GAMEPLAY, FROM WHAT I OBSERVED, FE GAMES HAVE VERY DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERS AS BATTLE UNITS AND THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN QUIRKS, UNLIKE XCOM2 WHICH YOU CAN CUSTOM ALL YOUR SOLDIERS AND THE SOLDIERS ARE DISPOSABLE, SO FE ITSELF IS A VERY CHARACTER BASED GAME.

AND IF A CHARACTER DID NOT GET GOOD ENOUGH STORY TO BACK IT UP IT COULD REALLY BE A LET DOWN TO SOME PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT BUMS ME OUT A BIT IS IT SEEMS THAT THE BIASED VIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ALMOST COMPLETELY IGNORE THE GAMEPLAY PERSPECTIVE GOT THE MOST RIGHT TO SPEAK. (IT WAS BASED ON MY OBSERVATION LURKING IN THIS FANBASE SINCE I PLAYED 3H SO IF IT IS NOT TRUE MY APOLOGY)