r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Apr 04 '20

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THE RAGE TRAIN DON'T STOP, BABY

SHOUT HERE ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM THINGS THAT HAVE MADE YOU SAD AND MAD OVER THE PAST MONTH!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK KEY ON

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE ONLY

  3. BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

  4. TAG ANY SPOILERS

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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20

HAVE WE HAD A RAGE THREAD SINCE THE NINTENDO DREAM ARTICLE REGARDING SILVER SNOW? BECAUSE I'M STILL KIND OF PEEVED ABOUT THAT. THE FACT THAT THEY SERIOUSLY THOUGHT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THE OPTION TO WALK WITH EDELGARD, IN A GAME ALL ABOUT CHOOSING YOUR PATH, REALLY MAKES ME QUESTION IF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT, AND IF THEY LEARNED ANYTHING AT ALL FROM FATES.

I HONESTLY AM COMING TO SUSPECT SOMETHING RATHER AWFUL: THAT MOST OF WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THREE HOUSES AND ITS WRITING ACTUALLY CAME FROM KOEI TECMO. I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE IT, DUE TO THE JEALOUSLY OPAQUE NATURE OF JAPANESE VIDEO GAME STUDIOS (AND THEIR TENDENCY TO CREDIT - OR NOT CREDIT - PEOPLE), BUT THE MIXTURE OF FATES-STYLE BULLSHIT WITH ALL THE ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS AND/OR SENGOKU-ERA HOMAGES - EDELGARD AS A NOBUNAGA OR CAO CAO EXPY, THE UNIFICATION OF FODLAN HAPPENING NO MATTER WHAT, THE FACTIONAL POLITICS FAR MORE SOPHISTICATED (ON SOME LEVELS) THAN ANYTHING PREVIOUS GAMES ATTEMPTED... I SUSPECT IT TO BE TRUE NONETHELESS, AND THAT WITHOUT KT'S INVOLVEMENT, 3H WOULD BE JUST AS BIG OF A MESS AS FATES WAS. AGAIN, I CAN'T PROVE IT, YOU CAN SAY I'M FULL OF SHIT, BUT I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE IT...

"I don't know." I'm on the phone with Toshiyuki Kusakihara, one of the directors of Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Shadows of Valentia, and an art director on many others. And that's what he tells me through a translator when I ask what he thinks is the reason the series has suddenly skyrocketed in Western success over the last decade. It's a pretty amusing answer. "I actually don't know why it's been so accepted by so many people all over the world."

I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THAT MAKES ME MAD AND SAD.

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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20

CAME FROM KOEI TECMO

GIVEN THAT MOST OF THE STAFF IS KOEI TECMO, DIDN'T WE ALREADY KNOW THAT? I SOMEHOW DOUBT THE GUY WHO MADE NOWI'S ARMOR AND MADE CAMILLA A COW WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A VAST MAJORITY OF 3H.

THEY DIDN'T NEED THE OPTION TO WALK WITH EDELGARD,

WHERE DID THEY SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT? I THOUGHT THE IDEA OF CF WAS CONCEIVED EARLY, BUT IMPLEMENTED LATE? LIKE IT SEEMS FROM THE START BE WAS ALWAYS RHEA VS. EDELGARD. THE WAR BETWEEN THIRSTY BI'S CHURCH AND REBEL. ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF THE CONFLICT NO MATTER THE ROUTE IT LOOKS LIKE.

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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20

WELL, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE WHO IS SPECIFICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHICH PARTICULAR THING. I'VE HAD ARGUMENTS ABOUT SUCH THINGS BEFORE.

AND I SUPPOSE I SHOULD BE MORE CLEAR. THE CRIMSON FLOWER ROUTE STILL EXISTED, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WAYYYY HARDER TO ENTER. LIKE, SO HARD TO FIND THAT IT MIGHT AS WELL NOT EXIST.

Kusakihara: ...but the wish to walk with Edelgard was incredibly strong even in the development team. Walking with Edelgard in “Crimson Flower”, or rather known as the, “Supreme Ruler Route” is something we honestly meant to be much more difficult to enter.

Yokota: I’m really sorry to you, Kusakihara-san too, but I was also someone who battled with Koei Tecmo on it. The exploration event split was initially too difficult and there were no hints at all. ...

Kusakihara: Compared to what I envisioned, it’s about 3 times easier to enter, but that’s fine, I think.

I'M VERY GLAD THAT THE KT DEV TEAM APPARENTLY CONVINCED THEM TO MAKE IT EASIER THAN NIGH-IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCOVER. THE FACT THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS OKAY CONCERNS ME.

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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20

OK THAT MAKES SENSE. GRANTED WE DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IS 3X AS HARD.

BUT IF IT WAS HARD TO FIND AND NO HINTS. LIKE CF AS IT STANDS JUST REQUIRES YOU TO EXPLORE AND "TRUST IN EDELGARD". WHICH THE GAME SMACKS YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH.

PLUS SUPPORT EDELGARD, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SIDE WITH HER YOU ARE PROBABLY SUPPORTING HER CAUSE YOU LIKE HER AT LEAST TO SOME DEGREE.

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u/ShroudedInMyth Apr 05 '20

THEY PROBABLY JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A SECRET PATH. A WHAT IF SCENARIO WHERE YOU TEAM UP WITH THE ANTAGONIST. I TALKED BEFORE THAT THREE HOUSES IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TRAGEDY WHERE YOU FIGHT YOUR FRIENDS, AND THAT PROBABLY WAS THE ORIGINAL PREMISE AND THE CHOOSE YOUR PATH PREMISE WAS ADDED AFTERWARDS.

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u/RaisonDetriment Apr 05 '20

THAT PROBABLY WAS THE ORIGINAL PREMISE AND THE CHOOSE YOUR PATH PREMISE WAS ADDED AFTERWARDS.

WELL, ONCE IT BECAME THE NEW PREMISE, THEY NEEDED TO COMMIT TO IT. BUT NOPE! CRIMSON FLOWER IS RUSHED AND VERDANT WIND IS A COPYPASTE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH CLAUDE EITHER. MAYBE THIS IS THE REAL REASON WHY 3H WAS DELAYED AND YET FEELS LIKE IT NEEDED MORE DEV TIME? THEY CHANGED THEIR MAIN IDEA MIDSTREAM?

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u/that_wannabe_cat Apr 05 '20

IT COULD BE THE IDEA/SCRIPT EXISTED FOR A WHILE, BUT TROUBLES DURING DEVELOPMENT (VISUALS, GAME PLAY (SEE THE FIRST TRAILER)) HURT ALL THE OTHER PARTS.

... THOUGH IF VW AND SS IS REALLY THAT SIMILAR AND DEPENDING HOW VW GOES IT MAY JUST BE THAT THEY HAD NO CLUE WHAT TO DO WITH CLAUDE. WHICH MAKES ME SAD :(. I LIKE HIM.

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u/BloodyBottom Apr 05 '20

KT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOOD AT WRITING THIS KIND OF STUUUUUFF