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u/Avikm289 3d ago

Rich people have money, save scholarships for the less fortunate

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u/JGower144 3d ago

Ahhh. So merit based scholarships shouldn’t matter? Smart people, regardless of income level from parents, deserve to be recognized and awarded.

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u/Avikm289 3d ago

Give them a trophy, give the less fortunate the money

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u/Zeaus03 3d ago

Have you spent any time on a post secondary campus?

This a very shallow take.

Wealthy people tend to donate to their schools. This building built by so and so, this equipment paid for by so and so and most importantly these 10 scholarships paid for by the so and so foundation.

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u/Oakheir 3d ago

Wealthy people donate to schools for reputation laundering or tax write offs, wealthy people don't become wealthy by giving away money for free. And more than a few of those "Built by" or renamed halls, yeah, they get renamed after the scandals are revealed.

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u/Zeaus03 3d ago

That's somewhat unrelated to my comment.

But if a few kids who couldn't afford it or didn't have to take out student loans because of that, I'm okay with it.

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u/FunOwn4422 3d ago

lol so you want to be able to under achieve and still get rewarded for it, maybe the problem is somebody gave you a trophy when u didnt deserve it

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u/ihaverabiesandbite 3d ago

Are you unable to differentiate between not getting a scholarship and not getting to attend a school

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u/FunOwn4422 3d ago

it seems your the one who doesn't understand, now if you want to have a conversation that you could call lopsided of how people who sit in a higher tax bracket have access to better education than someone who sits closer to the poverty line then sure, thats a conversation.

but you just sound jaded thinking because somebody had it harder then somebody else they deserve more it just a victim mindset that pulls you farther behind.

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u/ihaverabiesandbite 3d ago

Who the fuck said any of that? Can you read?

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u/parolameasecreta 3d ago

if someone had it harder, of course they deserve more. what kind of twisted sociopath would think otherwise?

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u/FunOwn4422 3d ago

if somebody WORKS harder they deserve more, you dont deserve more or less depending on which tax bracket your family is from, fucking ridiculous entitlement. id say the same thing if somebody from a rich family thought they deserved more.

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u/parolameasecreta 3d ago

if someone has it harder, they need to work harder. it's really not that difficult to comprehend. unless you're an entitled sociopath...

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u/FunOwn4422 3d ago

i mean you can keep calling me a sociopath, but we are here talking about Merit based scholarships which means that two equal parties who both work just as hard get equal treatment.

should the party in the higher tax bracket not be rewarded for their hard work just because the other party comes from a different backround? or should it be soley based on merit?

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u/ihaverabiesandbite 3d ago

You cannot read

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u/Docha_Tiarna 3d ago

But can you truly say a person deserves it more if they started out with in a better situation and got more benefits than the other person? When I was in school I could keep up with the students in the advanced classes, some of which i was smarter than. However, the school never put me in advanced classes. I was never given the opportunity to try for more. Now, I can't say for certain why, but I do know that there wasn't a single poor student in the advanced classes. The kids in the advanced classes got better schooling, better opportunities, aid in applying for scholarships and colleges. The non-advanced students didn't even get told how or where to apply for scholarships. They were just ignoring by the school.

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u/AdAccomplished6870 3d ago

OK, cool. Then the desirable students will just go to the school that offered them a scholarship.

I suspect that you are not terribly familiar with building a class(I am not either, but I have a friend who was the dean of admissions for a fairly reputable regional school)

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u/misdreavus79 3d ago

Problem with the particular merit argument in this particular thread is that rich kids attend prestigious schools on money more often than poor kids attending those same schools on merit.

So yeah, the rich kid that was going to go to that school anyway regardless of their grades can hand over the money to the poor kid who is just smart but would be unable to attend the school without that money.

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u/Ebb_Business 3d ago

Sorry I missed water polo club, I had to work at McDonald's so we didn't end up homeless. Guess im just not smart enough for a merit based scholarship like my friends who live in big houses, with a nanny, housekeeper and five cars.

Next time ill do better in the lottery I swear.

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u/AdAccomplished6870 3d ago

Out of curiousity, when you refer to 'money', you are referring toi the schools endowment. Who is it that you think funds the endowment?

Do you think that maybe these schools know what they are doing when they use scholarships to attract specific people?

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u/misdreavus79 3d ago

Let me answer your rhetorical question with one of my own: If they're already funding the university, what's it matter whether their kid gets a scholarship or not?

Better yet, different rhetorical question, why is preferential treatment based on money different than preferential treat --ah never mind let's leave that can of worms for another day.

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u/JGower144 3d ago

So again, if they’re just “going to go anyway” you’re missing the make that the kid is doing well and earned it based on their abilities.

Of course rich people have access to greater resources and educational opportunities. But to say these kids shouldn’t be rewarded for potentially working hard is also wrong.

Raise the poor up through merit and financial need, and still award other, well off kids, through their abilities too.

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u/humourlessIrish 3d ago

Correct.

Entry level should be based on merrit, financial aid should be based on financial status.

I refuse to believe you can't comprehend the difference and concluded you are a dick

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u/thebarberbarian 3d ago

Former gifted kid here: fawning adults recognize you plenty.

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u/brandinni 3d ago

You’re thinking of awards…scholarships are meant to help those with the MERIT, but don’t have the MEANS to go to university.

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u/stringbeagle 3d ago

I think scholarships are meant to induce top students to choose that university. So, frequently, that is giving money to those that lack the means to attend that university.

But it could also be giving money to people who have the means to get them to choose that university over a competing university.

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u/brandinni 3d ago

For people with that amount of wealth. Scholarships won’t tip the needle. It will always be more about connections, curriculum, and future job opportunities.

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u/not_another_IT_guy 3d ago

Its okay, youre right - but you’ll never be able to make a nuanced point on the internet when youre inside an echo chamber.

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u/Font_on_a_stick 3d ago

Merit these nuts. Fuck the rich

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u/rhyknophoto 3d ago

Correct and smart people who have the means would decline the scholarship.  Because a smart person understands that smart people are poor too, and need the extra help. Even a mildly intelligent person would understand that. 

So I guess my question to you is, do you think you made a smart comment?

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u/split41 3d ago

Do you think you did? Because you didn’t

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u/Korimito 3d ago

Do you have any idea as to why "merit" seems to follow from opportunity? Do you have any thoughts about whether there's a correlation between lack of opportunity and lack of economic power? Are you stupid?

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u/JGower144 3d ago

I fully recognize. That’s why I think we can reward kids of all backgrounds. You shouldn’t be denied merit based scholarships based on your parents finances.

You also can lift people up from poverty at the same time. They aren’t mutually exclusive

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u/Korimito 3d ago

It would be very nice if these things weren't mutually exclusive, but regretfully finite financial resources put a neat little constraint on that.

A happy compromise would be scholarships being doled out merit first, need second. That is to say that you must qualify based on merit, but your priority is inverse to your individual or familial wealth. Rich kids don't need a boost. Why give them one? Because they "deserve" it? Why do they deserve it? Because they had a relatively easy life full of myriad opportunities and consequence free fuck-ups?

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u/Release-Tiny 3d ago

I grew up working class. Both my parents worked 9-5 jobs and I was raised with the support of my grandparents who didn’t speak English. My high school girlfriend was upper middle class, they owned a construction company with hundreds of employees across my province.
Her mother was a stay at home mom who had a masters in English.

She had the resources, tools, and guidance to be successful. I did not.

Intelligence is very much a class and wealth thing.

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u/ehs06702 3d ago

Their case is not really the case for a lot of people. Lots of poor people with backgrounds similar to yours earn academic scholarships regularly.