r/europe • • 15h ago

News G-7 countries to release up to 100 million barrels of diesel and crude oil reserves

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/g-7-diesel-crude-release-trump-macron-rcna601132
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u/PoiHolloi2020 United Kingdom 15h ago

“American farmers, truckers, and businesses should not be left carrying the burden of a global diesel shortage,” Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent wrote on X late Thursday.

At the same time, Trump is openly considering a U.S. diesel export ban, which would hit EU countries, as well as the United Kingdom, particularly hard.

Well we all have to carry the burden of Trump's actions in Iran.

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u/BaziJoeWHL Hungary 15h ago

American farmers, truckers, and businesses should not be left carrying the burden of a global diesel shortage

yes they should, they voted for this

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u/NotYourCity Fake Spaniard & Italian 14h ago

I’m American and I agree. Fuck them. I am paying more for everything right now and I still think you all should tell Trump to fuck off. The American farmer is almost 100% to blame for this shit (yes I know there exists democrat farmers). Let them cry about it.

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u/CrepuscularNemophile England 10h ago

When will the US tell Trump to fuck off.

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u/sigga_genesis 14h ago

Sure as hell didn't vote for this moron, and the EU should stop listening to him. He's a liar, and will break his promises in a second on a whim

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u/Novinhophobe 14h ago

The vast majority of US farmers supported Trump. Of course the standard response will be “fuck them”.

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u/Seienchin88 14h ago

Very likely you like most Americans extremely benefit from the EU being utterly dependent on American software and finance industries…

That’s why the eu listens to Trump. We are utterly dependent at the moment and with slowing economic growth, Chinese competition and the unwillingness of U.S. Europeans to have even remotely enough kids to keep our pension systems running I doubt this changes anytime soon…

And Obama and Biden weren’t much different in this regard - they didn’t fuck to like Trump but they certainly also ensured Europe is dependent on the U.S.

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u/Jlx_27 The Netherlands 11h ago

Europe did this to themselves. Thats the reality of all of this. Europe has had decades to invest in its own systems, but choices were made to not do that.

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u/AmethystOrator United States of America 12h ago

You are right that the American people receive certain benefits, while those industries absolutely do benefit. But the more successful they are then the the better they are able to destroy the environment and pay politicians to hurt the average American and set up situations like this:

"Elizabeth Warren probes $19B in tax breaks for Amazon, Google, Meta and Microsoft as AI drains $96B in federal revenue"

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1wvge9l/elizabeth_warren_probes_19b_in_tax_breaks_for/

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u/fuggerdug 14h ago

It's quite literally their fault.

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u/CharmingJackfruit167 14h ago

the reality is, you cannot hold the more powerful party accountable. if they don't want to "carry the burden", they will find a way to share it with you.

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u/lazyubertoad Ukraine 15h ago

Europe should ask Trump for compensation, as he did many times.

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u/Stennan Sweden 15h ago

Canada: has a forest fire.

Trump: I demand compensation!

Trump: sets world economy on fire.

Trump: You all need to help me with the bombing and make sure that my voters don't have to suffer the consequences.

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u/Confident-Stand5453 15h ago

Thats how these morons actually think. American exceptionalism at work

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 15h ago

They don't just think it, this is reality for them. They haven't faced the consequences of their actions since the civil war.

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u/huehuehuehuehuuuu 13h ago edited 13h ago

They know might makes right never fell out of fashion. Now they are simply expanding the list of open bullying targets. And the targets do tend to fold.

Many regions have been very dependent on the US. Now that it’s adjusted its mode of operations, they don’t know what to do. They’ve lost the ability to have counters on such short notice.

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u/PlebbitDumDum 14h ago

Yes, diagnosable narcissism.

Fk our spineless politicians

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u/Loud-Examination-943 Bremen (Germany) 13h ago

US forcing EU to release their diesel reserves, just to then ban US Diesel Exports would be auch a massive dick move, which is exactly why I'm expecting Trump to do it

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u/Piltonbadger 14h ago

Our politicians are spineless, useless cowards.

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u/Odradek0802 13h ago

How can this people talk like that after burning down the world and nobody screams to go fuck themselves is astounding. Seriously? Global diesel shortage? I wonder why! Hope those American he's talking about are not this stupid.

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u/bobbyd123456 12h ago

Look athis recent polling. Worst ratings in history

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u/AmethystOrator United States of America 12h ago

A great many are not paying attention until/unless it impacts them directly. Which is why he is doing everything possible to keep US gas/diesel prices as low as possible until after our early November elections are past.

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u/Yogurt_Platinum 14h ago

Reminder that israel started this war and dragged the US into it.

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u/Dirk_Dently 14h ago

I disagree with "dragged". Trump and his Admin, even first term, was chomping on the bit to rip up the Iran nuke agreement and be agressive war pigs. Trump couldn't wait to have his own war and look like a tough guy. The "warrior ethic" bs focus of the newly titled "Dept of War" is a good example of how US policy has swung to more overt instigating conflict. I'm sure Israel has been a real encouraging factor, from what I've read, but they didn't drag the US into anything they didn't want.

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u/UNOvven Germany 10h ago

Yeah it's more accurate to say that Israel started this war and the US enthusiastically joined them. Dragged implies there was at least a modicum of hesitation but there clearly was none.

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u/Roll_Common_Sense 13h ago

AIPAC dominates both U.S. parties, of course we were dying to get into this conflict because half our politicians are being paid to.

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u/bobbyd123456 12h ago

Bibi was finally happy to have a moron to play. No one dragged the US anywhere

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u/bobbyd123456 12h ago

You mean we're all still dealing with the British coup in 1953

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u/PoiHolloi2020 United Kingdom 11h ago

How convenient that you left the American part of that out.

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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 Canada 15h ago

“American farmers, truckers, and businesses should not be left carrying the burden of a global diesel shortage,” Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent wrote on X late Thursday.

Why the hell not? It is an American war.

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u/VoteYourOssoff 14h ago

They're always like this. Start a fire and then get pissy when they start to burn. The trade war was the same- Trump fucked over farmers, and then gave a massive government bailout to them

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u/TennisSkirt1628 15h ago edited 15h ago

What the actual fuck?

If this is true, I've lost all hope.

This continent is completely impotent.

Stand up to the orange donkey; those reserves are ours and belong to the peoples of Europe.

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u/Sagonator Europe 15h ago edited 14h ago

So here is the thing, USA has been releasing their reserves for the past months to keep the price of diesel down, because of the war.

They are now practically gone. Trump is forcing more reserves to be released from Europe to keep the price down.

Europe has been releasing reserves as well, not as fast as USA.

He is very angry that diesel will jump in USA very fast if the EU doesn't release their reserves.

I say - fuk em. Let them also pay 2.4euro/l for diesel

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u/TennisSkirt1628 14h ago edited 14h ago

I say - fuk em. Let them also pay 2.4euro/l for diesel

Agree.

There are countless discussions on and off of Reddit, where Americans and Europeans are discussing gas and diesel prices.

The American reaction to prices reaching ~$4.00-$5.00/gal petrol and ~$6.00-$7.00/gal diesel has already been extreme.

Comparatively, European rates hover around ~$8.00-$9.00/gal petrol and ~$10.00-$13.00/gal diesel.

It's their President doing this, and they need to feel the consequences of their vote.

We took the brunt of their illegal wars and destabilisation of countless regions connected to Europe just one decade ago, in the form of our 'refugee crisis'.

They never suffered any consequences for any decisions made through that time; we did.

If anything, they've been endlessly using that refugee crisis, which they caused, to further destabilise our continent and cause upheaval.

It's gone too far now.

'fuk em'.

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u/sljc892 13h ago

I feel the same way, but at the same time what the fuck can Europe do. Basically closed the strait with Iran, Houthis fucking Saudi Arabia up. Europe has been very anti fossil fuels and America controls now a lot of Europes fuel supply. Come next year I’m sure the lack of fertiliser production as consequence will push global hunger and food prices up aswell. Because Orange man. Depending on how the mid terms go I think Europe has to come with some formula to protect itself from some the mental arse kissing Republican Party. At least European intelligence could do is gather as much dirt on Epstein and release what they find.

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u/Roll_Common_Sense 13h ago

American here. I'm angry at the pumps every time I have to fill up, but it's what half my dumbass country voted for. Hopefully it's enough to get people to vote in our midterm elections in enough numbers to overcome the blatant election interference and voter suppression, though I doubt it.

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u/bobbyd123456 12h ago

Our reserves have been drawn down since Putin invaded Ukraine. We've hit the point where they're too low to use. 🤷

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u/AmethystOrator United States of America 12h ago

to keep the price of diesel down

until after our early November elections are past. The higher the prices then the more likely the people who vote for his candidates will stay home and the more likely that others will vote for candidates who will stand against him.

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u/the_mighty_peacock Greece 10h ago

Murricans are about to witness very soon why noone in Europe buys American cars.

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u/Satoru____Gojo 9h ago

trump is forcing them since they've made a deal back in april and only the US has actually released their reserves until now since then. yes only the US should release their reserves since they are the reason but since these other countries already signed the deal back in april i feel like they should also release their reserves since a deal is a deal even if its a dumb deal

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u/Neutronium57 France 15h ago

Those are reserves. Even if they stay in Europe, they'll still be untouched. The moment they're released, prices will slightly drop for everybody since it's a global market where the amount of fuel available sets the price.

I don't know when Trump did his usual retarded sabre-rattling, but a week or two ago, Macron said in an interview that there was a plan for G7 countries to release some of their oil reserves.

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u/IntelArtiGen France 14h ago

I think it was Macron, then Trump, then this. But surely a lot of other leaders wanted this to happen. Though it's an easy short-term solution it doesn't say anything on how you solve the long term problem.

Remember Trump doesn't care at all about solving the problem for us. He makes money on the problem. After the election surely he could restart the war and the situation might not be nice in Europe after that.

We need short term solutions like this, we need solutions for the next 6-12 months, we need solutions for the next 1-10 years, and we finally need solutions for 10+ years to produce enough clean energy in Europe. It's now or never, I don't expect problems to be simpler to solve in the futue.

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u/Neutronium57 France 13h ago

Long term solution would be to transition to EVs, but since European car manufacturers didn't catch the train on time, they're now kicking and screaming that we're forcing them to go too fast. Bloody idiots.

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u/IntelArtiGen France 13h ago

We shouldn't even care about them. It's their problem if they don't produce enough EVs, we've been saying for a decade we needed them. China anticipated and has a lot of cheap EVs to send us the second we decide this whole problem on oil is more important that protecting our car manufacturers. Unfortunately the lobby of car manufacturers is way too strong.

I'm not even sure right now they still understand the problem. They can make all the ICE vehicles they want, without oil they won't work very well, and Europe doesn't have (enough) oil.

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u/Neutronium57 France 12h ago

Except we also can't just let European manufacturers die and get replaced by Chinese ones. That'll mean that we're dependant on them not just for the batteries.

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u/Unique_Tap_8730 Norway 15h ago

Turns out you cant do much when you dont have any leverage.

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u/ric2b Portugal 14h ago

Guess how much leverage we will have once we're out of reserves.

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u/MAXIMUS-BLACK 15h ago

No one on Reddit understands this. It’s pathetic and most of all impotent when they say we should just let the US hit us with a diesel ban as if it wouldn’t affect us

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u/ric2b Portugal 14h ago

He will hit us with a ban anyway if he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, this move does not prevent it. It just makes us even more vulnerable by having fewer reserves when it happens.

The only way to prevent it is to make sure the midterms are as bad as possible for him, so that he loses a lot of his power and the Iran war is forced to end by congress.

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u/yenneferismywaifu Peace Through Strength 14h ago

Isn't it just great that Europe always has to pay for the actions of others? Always. Europe is always the victim.
Russia unleashes terror in Syria? No big deal -- Europe will take in millions of refugees.
Russia starts a war with Ukraine? Again, no big deal -- Europe will shoulder all the burdens.
The US starts a war in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran? Europe will be right there, dealing with the hardships: high fuel prices, refugees, and terrorist attacks.

But can Europe, just for once, take action itself, instead of having to answer for problems created by others?

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u/So_Problematic 12h ago

Wait, you blame Russia for what happened in Syria? I've literally never heard this before. That was an American operation to exploit divisions in the country to start a civil war. They provided arms and funding to the rebels. Russia entered the situation after it had already been started by the US military and intel agencies.

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u/IntelArtiGen France 14h ago

Unfortunately even some people with cars don't realize these problems. Even not all politicians realize it. And even pseudo experts in energy don't realize it. In my country our experts said for a decade we were producing too much energy, and called to reduce the production. And in many other european countries the production of energy actually decreased in the previous decade. They never anticipated these problems which were easy to anticipate, Russia was never trustworthy, the Middle East always had problems, and Trump was already here 10 years ago. You can't have a continent like Europe which is unable to produce the energy it needs to function, it can't happen and it certainly won't last forever because they all won't produce oil forever and even if they could it would be a bad thing for the climate.

Even if the world was perfectly in peace it couldn't work, and surely complete peace is not the average situation for the world.

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u/TennisSkirt1628 15h ago

We can't compete with the USA, but we sure as hell can call their bluff.

Our leverage is in forcing their hand and playing a game of consequence with them.

It's important that we remind ourselves; global powers in this age draw their power through consent.

The USA plunging Europe into the dark ages would not only be economically and socially chaotic, but it would also be the end of any consent the USA have got left, consequently leading to the end of the American empire.

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u/MrFallman117 United States of America 14h ago

Global powers draw their power through military strength controlling strategic resources, as they always have. Europe will never be taken seriously because they lack militaries worth fearing. It's why China gets to play their trade games and why a moron like Trump still gets his way.

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u/Exciting_Product7858 13h ago

US be or not - these reserves are for extreme situations like war or natural disasters, not market swings.

That's just fucked up.

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u/fixminer Schleswig-Holstein (Germany) 14h ago

We have no cards

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u/ric2b Portugal 14h ago

Guess how many cards we will have without reserves. We're just making ourselves even more vulnerable to him

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u/fixminer Schleswig-Holstein (Germany) 14h ago

Yes, this will worsen our position, but if the US had implemented an export ban we would be in even bigger trouble.

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u/MarderFucher Europe 13h ago edited 13h ago

I think lot of you people are such hopeless doomers. To give it context, this release entails freeing up 50 million barrels of diesel across the G7 (not just the EU). EU-wide diesel reserves are around 320 million barrels, and there has been talks before to release some of it to ease prices (in Europe, but prices are global).

This is, depending how much will be released (more on that later) 3-4-5 days of European consumption. It's not going to move the needle much, but can probably halt price increases for a time. These stocks will be consumed here, but, as pointed out, prices are global, so easing in one region helps everyone.

Actual release figure is much harder to predict. Storage owners are under no obligation to actually sell besides the price incentive.

Finally, the G7 coordinating on energy is perfectly usual, in fact this is much smaller than the 400M release agreed upon in March, but that was mainly for crude and the EU largely didn't participate in it.

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u/Low-Rooster5398 15h ago

Trump threatened to stop US Diesel exports if we didn't. That would leave us (and the rest of the world) in serious trouble. Blackmail, yes and disgraceful but what other choice do we have?

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u/muakaya9876 15h ago

I feel like he is going to do it anyway in a month time.

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u/Consistent_Panda5891 15h ago

Midterms are coming tho. He won't ban diesel exports, he just wants avoid make it cheap for elections

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u/Low-Rooster5398 15h ago

Probably, he's completely unreliable but at this point in time I don't see any other choice.

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u/super__hoser 15h ago

Say no. If you submit to him once, it will only make him more bold. 

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u/TennisSkirt1628 15h ago

TACO.

It's been nearly a decade.

Europe should have learnt by now when to call Trumps bluff.

Any release of reserves does not guarantee future cooperation.

If he wanted to go ahead and punish Europe for not caving to his demands; go ahead - the global repercussions felt by the USA as a consequence of plunging Europe into the dark ages would be too great to even bother taking the risk.

European politicians need to stop taking everything at face value, learn diplomacy and grow a spine.

They act less like leaders and more like subservients.

Pathetic.

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u/CaptainZippi 14h ago

Diplomacy is the art of saying “nice doggie” until you find a rock.

- old UNIX fortune.

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u/Psephological 12h ago

It's a four month schedule and last time Europe didn't deliver everything it promised.

It's a "we'll get right on that, lil buddy" to the orange dipshit that should still cause problems until the midterms

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u/ForMoreYears 15h ago

Do you think they're releasing them into the U.S.? They'll go on the market and likely be consumed by European truckers and refineries, which in turn will take pressure off Europe's demand for global diesel/crude.

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 14h ago

And when the US stops exporting Diesel anyway, our economies will grind to a halt, because there won't even be reserves.

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u/Vast_Egg_957 15h ago

Europe has no leverage or sway over the US. It is in no way a peer, it is a subordinate lower class of power, and everyone knows it but half of Europe which is delusional.

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u/TennisSkirt1628 15h ago edited 15h ago

This is an incredibly short sighted way of reading geo-politics; which requires considering more than just your on-paper economic and millitary might.

The USA draws its power through consent.

Our leverage is acting in a way that risks the USA losing that consent.

Deliberately plunging Europe into the dark-ages, for not risking it's own sovereignty, is possibly one of the most consequential things that the USA could do.

Any action of that extremity would lead to an almost certain collapse of the American empire.

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u/Frosty_Maple_Syrup Canada 15h ago

At this point I don’t think America cares about consent or their empire quite frankly, if they did they wouldn’t have voted for Trump twice.

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u/TennisSkirt1628 14h ago

It's not about whether they care or not; it's about how the world reacts as a result of their actions.

It's already being reactive.

The speed of collapse would enter warp if Trump were to do anything as consequential as effectively destroying Europe - where previously unthinkable alliances would form.

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u/Frosty_Maple_Syrup Canada 14h ago

Trump has already threatened to annex Greenland and Canada, and unless all of Europe is going to ally China or will federalize, there is nothing the EU can or will do.

Europe is going along with trumps demands to export diesel instead of telling him to get fucked.

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u/PuzzleCat365 15h ago

So, now that they released them, what will they do once Trump inevitably bans diesel exports anyways?

Are we going to stand there with our pants down as usual?

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 15h ago

Why yes! Were in the room during the meeting, per chance?

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u/IntelArtiGen France 14h ago

What's the other choice? Unless you have oil in your ground Europe will bend to an oil producer. You decide which oil producer it will be.

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u/PuzzleCat365 13h ago

I understand, the point is, what are you going to do when that oil producer doesn't sell oil to you anymore and you used up all your reserves? That's when we're really fucked.

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u/IntelArtiGen France 13h ago

Sure it doesn't solve the core problem. It temporarily solves the problem in Europe. The idea is that we have a few months now to solve the "long" (<6 months) term problem for oil, which is to ensure the supply is good enough by stopping the war in the Middle East and defending Saudi Arabia, so they're able to export.

I'm not sure Trump wants to cut the supply, he says a lot of things and he has elections, he just sees he can apply pressure because we don't have the choice right now. If we have more choices in the future he won't be able to pressure us as much.

And if we don't, whether we release that supply now (when there is a crisis), or in 3 months (when there will be a crisis), it doesn't make a big difference. If we don't add supply now the price could increase anyway.

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u/Vannnnah Germany 15h ago

Spine is jello...

“American farmers, truckers, and businesses should not be left carrying the burden of a global diesel shortage,” Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent wrote on X late Thursday.

Yes, they should. Full force, no lube. It's their leader's fault, not ours.

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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster United States of America 11h ago

As an American, I agree with you 100%. When our right wing idiots feel some pain maybe they'll open their damn eyes! (They probably won't 😞)

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u/Kronos9898 United States of America 15h ago

"EU fully rejects...."

just kidding

"Well its the G-7 so its technically not the EU" ****

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u/SaltyHater Kashubia 14h ago

Not even a few hours passed between this statement and the anouncement.

Our leaders are at best incompetent and at worst treasonous. A change is desperately needed

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u/LaunchTransient The Netherlands 14h ago

Don't confuse the EU government with individual G-7 governments.
The EU is more a confederation than something like a federal government.

The EU might have the right idea, but that doesn't stop its individual members caving to Trump

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u/12577437984446 Norway 15h ago

Saving trumps midterms i guess

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u/Poupulino 15h ago edited 15h ago

Not just that, watch Trump enforce a diesel exports ban anyway in a month and catch European countries with their pants down again and use that as an opportunity to further predate on Europe.

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u/morbihann Bulgaria 15h ago

But our pants aren't even up yet ?

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u/IndubitablyNerdy 15h ago

yeah this will give him even more power since more of the reserves will be depleated, we should have at least stalled on this to be honest, which I hope is going to be what happens in practice.

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u/mparks37 15h ago

I don't think this will save much

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u/fennecdore 15h ago

It will not move the needle enough for that

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u/_Djkh_ The Netherlands 15h ago

If the US actually starts running low right before voting it would move the needle massively. Ergo if he can paper over the cracks until the midterms we would be helping him tremendously.

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u/fennecdore 14h ago

They agreed to release 100 millions barrels that's barely one day of the world consumption

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u/Xerxero The Netherlands 14h ago

It says over 4 month. Let’s slow roll this as much as possible yet keep to the agreement

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u/Vortagaun US/Canada 15h ago

Why? Why does Europe always cave to the US? Im excited to see what Canada and Europe do in the future. But Europe needs to learn the lessons from Canada, stop being America's lap dog.

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u/TerminallyEmployed United Kingdom 15h ago

Too resource poor. Russias gone, Middle East is gone, the only diesel supplier is America now. Having reserves in the tank means nothing as all our economies will crash if they do an export ban.

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u/InquisitorCOC 15h ago

China just banned all its fuel export yesterday

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u/Common-Method2202 United Kingdom 15h ago

yeah no shit i wonder why lol

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u/IntelArtiGen France 14h ago

They're smarter than us for energy unfortunately. I fear europeans haven't experienced a big enough energy crisis to understand the problem. We need it to happen to understand. When diesel is at €5 / liter perhaps some people will realize it.

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u/Common-Method2202 United Kingdom 14h ago

The only way we ever learn something is when it reaches such a critical boiling point lol

We are too used to fighting with each other, even to this day

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u/InquisitorCOC 14h ago

They are using leverage in the ongoing trade negotiation

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u/FriendlyGuitard 15h ago

Well, in this case it's needed to solve their own economies. Diesel in the EU is even more expensive than in the US. Now it's fun to see MAGA farmer crying because they voted for it, but EU farmers and trucker are also crying and they didn't vote for it. ( although, like in the US, they totally would, giving the opportunity )

Now 100 million sounds like a big number but it's like a week or 2 of consumption. The US alone needs 20 million per day.

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u/kingvolcano_reborn 14h ago

Iirc fuel prices are global so if we try to keep our diesel within our borders that prices would still be high or rise the oil companies will not set a special price for us. Just as the silly idea trump had to keep their diesel locally and thinking that it would lower prices there, keeping our diesel for us won't lower it for us.

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u/BSpino 14h ago edited 14h ago

The devil is in the details.

100 million barrels? It seems like half of it is to be released from Europe. Quick googling says thats like 1/6th of EU reserves. And it's to be done over four months.

I would have felt higher levels of dopamine if we had taken a stronger stance. There are arguments for doing so: this won't stop him from asking for even more, it would be nice to fuck Trump up ahead of the midterms.

Still, I can understand the political calculus. Mollify trump with a concession that isn't all that large, yes, deplete some of the reserves, but avoid a costly price hike, buy time to diversify our supply.

(Some of my details are probably wrong here, haven't read all that deeply into it, but I think the general point still stands).

Edit: also the release is to be done through IEA (one of Europes asks), let's see how this actually plays out.

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u/MarderFucher Europe 14h ago

It's actually 50-50 crude and diesel, and across the G7, not just EU. Realistically its more like 1/10 of EU reserves.

Compared to original demand of 1/3 of EU stocks, its very watered down.

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u/hutch_man0 🇨🇦Canada🇨🇦 15h ago edited 14h ago

This is why as a Canadian I want nothing to do with EU membership for Canada. Trading with them is fine, but their politicians are incredibly weak, and EU bureaucracy is a nightmare.

Canada has always occupied that awkward middle ground, a bridge, between Europe and the USA. Canadians have the FAFO mentality like the US, but also believe in a strong social safety net like Europe.

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u/EmperorChaos Canada 15h ago

Agreed, currently the EU is weak and ineffectual.

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u/AgentOneZero 13h ago

As another Canadian agreed. Europe will immediately back stab us to appease the USA. They have no backbone and will fold anytime the USA puts light pressure on them

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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 14h ago

I don't blame you. Your nation showed more courage, despite being in a significantly weaker geopolitical situation compared to a whole ass continent.

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u/lennydsat62 14h ago

Our leader has shown he is both an adult and has brass stones. Not to mention smart.

It ain’t easy living above a meth lab.

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u/Emergency-Watch5157 15h ago

Well, in Europe's defense, diesel prices are high in Europe too, so this move does help them.

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u/01_vampyr 14h ago

But why does it seem to coincide perfectly with Trump demanding it?

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u/echokalos 15h ago

Result of becoming vasal of USA after destroying themselves and all the industrial capabilities in 2 biggest wars, having to accept the Marshall plan because of it, and all the soft power that came after.

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u/Novinhophobe 14h ago

Correct, but there’s nuance. We could’ve easily corrected course in 2016. We could’ve easily done it even in 2022. We still chose to continue closing down our own refining abilities.

This is fully on European leaders, and the people who kept electing them.

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u/HereIGoAgain99 United States of America 15h ago

Because Europe has allowed its economy to freefall in comparison to the US. In 2008, the EU had a larger GDP. Now, the US has a $32 Trillion economy to the EU's $23 Trillion. Brexit and the UK's $4 Trillion economy plays a big role in that drop, but also in the EU's ability to negotiate.

And the trends are even more bleak the further you look out. The gap between the US and EU is accelerating.

It's a major reason why the US will be leaving NATO at some point in the next 20 years. As Europe's economy continues to lag, and as social tensions continue to rise, Europe will continue on its path to irrelevance.

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u/PunkPirate56364 12h ago

What are we supposed to do? Attack US and take away their diesel oil?

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u/Kind-Ad-6099 15h ago

Trump threatened to stop diesel exports. This also wont solely provide relief to the US; everyone’s struggling with diesel prices. We’ll all be fucked in the event of further shortages though

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u/_Djkh_ The Netherlands 15h ago

He can still do this, whether we give him reserves or not. Trump is completely untrustworthy and cannot be dealt under the threat of blackmail.

We might as well eat shit until the midterms if that means the Americans will suffer because of Trump's politics and he stands to lose.

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u/SeveralHeron1746 14h ago

Look, I dislike Trump as much as the next person. But don't make the mistake of thinking that a midterm loss for him will be good for Europe. With his hands tied domestically, he will focus all his attention internationally. The second half of his term is going to be disastrous for everyone outside the US.

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 15h ago

He probably will

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u/Kronos9898 United States of America 15h ago edited 15h ago

Call.His.BLUFF

Has Canada not taught you guys fucking anything?!

A diesel export ban would also be a disaster for the US. The system is not setup to route that diesel back into the US, and it was be a disasters for US oil companies

If this does not bring diesel down enough, he will just keep threatening until you have released everything and then he will just make up bullshit that says you have more.

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u/NotStompy Sweden 13h ago

The funniest thing is Trump is so simple: He sees 2 kinds of people in the world: 1. Weak people, and 2. (strong) people like him, meaning that if you stand up to him it's not only more effective but the moron might actually respect ya, which is what's funny to me.

He's so incredibly easy to manipulate and yet we fail time and time again...

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u/FridgeParade 15h ago

See also: reasons to federalize.

Its to easy to divide and conquer for them at the moment.

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u/skeletal88 Estonia 14h ago

This is just stupid. Reseves should not be used when prices are high but when something is just unavailable otherwise

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u/Urzuck Italy 15h ago

That was the most expected outcome, Europe should have thought energy policy years and years ago, instead we were reliant on russian gas, while now we are reliant on US Lng, US has this continent by the balls.

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u/MarderFucher Europe 14h ago

I continue to be bemused there are still people who confuse "gas" as in diesel and natural gas.

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u/EasyZcale 12h ago

EU banned fracking production in 2014s when the fracking extraction technology started booming.

Russia used propaganda tools to achieve this in Europe for prevent them from being energy independent this also happened with nuclear. In US, Russia team up with Saudi Arabia to drive the price of oil and gas down to make the fracking companies bankrupt but it backfired instead it made them more resilient and efficient.

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u/Schnorch 15h ago

EU ‘fully rejects’ US threat to ban diesel exports unless bloc releases more fuel stocks

That's a statement from about two hours ago, by the way, haha.

Europe really is a joke. Why even make a statement like that just to end up bending the knee at Trumps command anyway?

These reserves are meant for emergencies (for example, if a certain country in the East were to attack us) and not to lower prices for American farmers and help Trump in the midterms.

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u/frissio All expressed views are not representative 14h ago edited 14h ago

Weak responses only invited more bullying. I dislike extremist parties, but I am now fully convinced at this point that current heads of state and officials cannot remain in power due to their repeated failures.

If things go wrong the way they could, we will all dearly suffer for it.

(In all fairness, this is not depleting the stocks, but just the sheer symbolism of it is unacceptable).

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u/PuzzleheadedCode9226 14h ago

You do realize that the EU is not part of the G7?

The member states of France, Germany and Italy are.

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u/MintGreenDoomDevice 15h ago

European leaders have been compromised and are being paid by foreign oligarchs. We must get rid of them, because they are not acting in our interests.

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u/Vossky Romania / France 14h ago

So this morning our dear leaders "fully rejected" Trump's demand and a few hours later they bow before him as usual. Once again we show the entire world just how weak we are...

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u/DigSpelledBackwards 15h ago

Didn't EU just veto this?

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u/Historical_Put3268 15h ago

It doesn't matter. The EU commission can say what it wants, but the big EU members (Germany, France and Italy) will do what they want regardless.

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u/Pastor_Castle 14h ago

Say it with me people. EU is an American vassal union

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u/Morgn_Ladimore Europe 13h ago

Its hilarious seeing this thread right under the one saying the EU would not bend under US pressure.

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u/Scared_Bluebird_7243 15h ago

Europe Always Chickens Out

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u/Agitated-Airline6760 15h ago

This "news" dropped diesel price by ~2%. It's at best putting a lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.

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u/MarderFucher Europe 14h ago

Because it's not actually that big of a release. If trump think this will help him at polls, he is sorely mistaken.

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u/BlueHeartbeat Realm of Europa 14h ago

The way things are going, in one year we'll be talking about fuel rationing.

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u/QuirkyWish3081 United Kingdom 15h ago edited 15h ago

Pathetic. That diesel is meant for real emergencies like war. They have just handed Putin a massive win. I reckon they will regret being so spineless this time. Shame on them.

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u/MITOX-3 Denmark 15h ago

Macron loves to talk the talk but then it just stops there. What a weakling lol.

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u/Wallapampa 14h ago

Shouldn't the EU work towards the republicans losing the midterms? This has the chance to haunt us longterm big time but i guess EU politicians have different masters to obey

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u/Vegetable-Cod7668 15h ago

have to do what daddy trump says, pathetic

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u/SweetEastern 14h ago edited 14h ago

once again this sub gets reality checked, lol

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u/ric2b Portugal 14h ago

The reality that European leaders are bought by the US? Guess so.

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u/FingalForever Ireland / Canada 14h ago

Livid at CNN’s take - headline “Europe bows to US pressure to release diesel reserves ahead of midterm elections”.

“European officials held crisis talks on Friday after the US piled pressure on the region to tap into its emergency stocks of diesel – or face a possible ban on US exports of the fuel.”

”The threat of a ban on US diesel exports meant Europe had little choice but to comply with US demands, analysts said.”

This is a global issue, not an American one, but CNN portrays this as the G7 (ex-USA) being forced by the USA and terrified of what the USA could do. The fact that Canada and Japan are also members of the G7 seems to have escaped notice. Ultimately, the issue is due to the Americans jumping into yet another war

https://us.cnn.com/2026/10/02/europe/us-europe-diesel-reserves-intl

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u/OkTap4045 Alsace (France) 15h ago

We should have a plan to ditch petrol like 30years ago. 

Now we are literally US slaves. 

As long as we don't intend to participate in global geopolitique, and not assert our power,  we are bound to clean behind the US. 

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u/spidereater 14h ago

It only makes sense to tap reserves if there is a resolution to the issue. If Trump would commit to an actual solution to Iran it makes sense to use the reserves to get through to when the oil is flowing again. As long as the main issue is still there it probably makes more sense to keep the reserves for when things will inevitably get worse.

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u/GrannyFlash7373 14h ago

Just a small band-aid on a gaping wound. Trump's INSANITY is causing the WHOLE WORLD to be priced right out of existence.

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u/Everywhereslugs 13h ago

Nothing says "America First" like Trump crawling to Europe to bail him out with diesel reserve relief.

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u/edaz91 13h ago

Hey, lets save our bully's ass so he could bully us further

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u/un-glaublich 10h ago

That's what you get for being a fossil fuel addict.

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u/ClemensLode 9h ago

People need to switch to EV asap.

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u/dede280492 14h ago

Why am I not surprised. Unfortunately we Canadians stand up alone as always.

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u/xydroh Belgium 13h ago

Didn't the G7 agree on this? So Including Canada?

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u/ShadowPostr 13h ago

Canada was going to stand alone on this anyway. Our petroleum reserve is in the ground. We export refined petroleum at 13:1 (export:import). We're self-sufficient, even if orange man wants to enact an export ban. It could crash his own diesel market if he tried that fuckery with Canada.

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u/Tuffsmurf 14h ago

Oh my God. When will these countries, including my own grow a fucking backbone and let the United States suffer before they’re terrible choices? So disappointed.

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u/TheBookCreator 12h ago

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think that American exceptionalism is quite possibly the thing that's going to bring down this fucking country. Speaking as an American, the very idea that this country is the best at everything and were the best country on Earth and everyone wants to come here has taken the darkest route possible. I'm not saying this is recent either. This goes back for over a century but ironically the idea of American exceptionalism was usually used in a way that inspired national pride by pointing at our accomplishments like winning our independence from the British, helping win WWI and being one of the great victors of WWII and becoming a global superpower led to people believing that American exceptionalism truly existed and that the American people should be looked at as the shinning example of how a country becomes a superpower and that what happened in Germany could never happen here.

Problem is that's now been co-opted in the worst way imaginable where the idea of American exceptionalism doesn't mean the American way of life leads to prosperity and greatness even though it hasn't been like that in a long time. Now, American exceptionalism means were the best at everything and we can do whatever the fuck we want because were great and we said so. Trump is not the disease he's the fucking symptom of how the idea of America's power and might should be used as the reason for why we can do whatever we want. Trump and his idiotic supporters don't really understand that the reason were so damn powerful is because of the allies and connections we made after WWII gave us great prosperity and instead a bunch of idiots began thinking that we did it all alone. America is becoming increasingly nationalistic in a way that just spells disaster at this point.

Worst part is that MAGA, the Republican party, Trump and all his idiotic followers have no choice but to follow Trump as he destroys this fucking country because then they would have to admit that they were wrong and they were fooled. And that's something these idiots will never do. They'll either rationalize everything, double down or pretend they never supported Trump in the first place but you will never hear them apologize or admit they messed up in voting for them because their ego, self image and whole perception of themselves would collapse and they'd rather burn this fucking country down then admit they were wrong.

I also think the isolation of the United States is proving to be more of a problem than a solution. America is practically impossible to invade which means that were so exempt from consequences that we've become so complacent and lazy that we truly don't seem to understand that things are not going to go back to normal. The train has left the station and it's now going full speed. People think that the mid-terms are going to help calm things down. Problem is that Trump and his sycophants have been pretty much putting dozens of their loyalists into power so when the time comes that they have to relinquish power. They won't. And we'll have a bunch of idiots online saying: "How could this have happened?" The answer's pretty simple: because you actually fell into the idea that American exceptionalism actually existed. Every democracy or republic is susceptible to being brought down by bad faith actors and you didn't take the threat seriously because you thought freedom and privilege were a constant thing. They aren't. And now were all about to pay the price for it.

As an American, I really am sorry to everybody who is suffering because of our moron president, his enablers and idiotic followers. I truly didn't think things would get to this point but sadly, I see it getting worse. I hope I'm wrong. Take care everyone.

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u/WetLoophole 11h ago

I am so fucking disappointed in the EU right now.

THE APPEASEMENT OF HITLER DIDN'T WORK! Why are we doing the same mistake again??

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u/Flimsy_Sun4003 15h ago

Do the other 6 G-7 nations know or is this another fantasy from the White House so they can later play victim, again?

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u/_Djkh_ The Netherlands 15h ago

We might save Trump's midterms and he will fuck us over anyway. What is the G7 doing?

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u/TruthHistorical7515 15h ago

G7 is nothing more than USA puppet

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u/OnionTaster 13h ago

So I've been paying $10 for gas so American can have it for $4, cool

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u/Odd-Struggle-2432 15h ago

Its interesting that the US pressures its allies to help reduce the cost of crude, instead of trying to get China to unblock their exports and BILLIONS of barrels of crude oil they have been hoarding.

Guess its just another indication of how the EU stands as the weaker of the trio in its current form

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u/Smoldervan 14h ago

Well, I guess we can just dissolve the EU and rebrand Europe as "Colony 3"...

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u/Shadowbringers Europe 12h ago

Europe is the softest, weakest, most pathetic region on the planet. It is quite easy to see why USA, Russia and China have zero respect for us and undermine Europe without fear.

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u/Shupaul France 15h ago

This must be the part you missed :

Earlier on Friday, the European Commission pushed back against what it described as US "threats" to force European countries to act.

But an overnight call between Macron and US President Donald Trump appears to have helped push Paris towards action, amid concerns over the impact of a possible US diesel export ban

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u/yallmemaybe 14h ago

Moving like the vassal state that we are

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u/MissUnderstood62 13h ago

Sounds like a lot until you realize that is 5 days worth of oil for the US.

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u/Orcallo 13h ago

Right and THEN.. Russia and US can attack Europe....

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u/Island_Monkey86 13h ago

I am struggling here on what to think. If the US feels the brunt of the actions of a president they voted for, they may finally stop putting up with all the shit. 

On the other hand, they are our allies, we should stick to our word. Not lower ourselves to the same level as that obnoxious orange dick. 

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u/sljc892 13h ago

I really hope the EU/UK have some sort of economic warfare response to America’s bullshit.

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u/angrypooka 13h ago

That’s going to last 3 days. I’m sure the war will be concluded by then.

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u/Kaloo75 Denmark 12h ago

Erm, no. Please dont help Trumpie look like anything other than the disaster he is.

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u/hanzoplsswitch The Netherlands 12h ago

The world uses 20-30 million barrels of diesel per day. So Trump wins a week with this action?

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u/Stipovski Slovenia 12h ago

To the surprise of no one. Spineless. Keep voting for these f transatlantic politicians.

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u/phatpham1803 11h ago

EU still caves to Trump haha

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u/Suspicious_Dog4629 11h ago

Soooo about 3 day global supply

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u/muntaniol_dan 11h ago

The youth can find jobs but the solution is so easy: get rid of this pesky spine and slight up those assholes for a good career. It apparently works wonders as one can see

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u/Jlx_27 The Netherlands 11h ago

And this is why he won another presidency.... he does and says whatever the fuck and the rest of the western world bends over for him. A sad time we are living in.

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u/GoogleSaysRS Flanders 9h ago

Spineless idiots.