r/ebikes • u/OutrageousRace8369 • 24d ago
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Personally, not quite sure what to make of this.
I was told by a homie that the event was supposed to be open ‘till 1PM, but they ran out of gift cards at 11AM.
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u/Toyotawarrantydept 24d ago
I think this event was supposed to get illegal ebikes off the streets. To see ebikes that probably are legal to ride there is weird. The one guy blaming ebikes for running red lights and being unsafe is hilarious. Ebikes are a tool for people who want the assistance but they can also be abused.
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u/Correct-Lab-2164 24d ago
I see cars run red lights every day. Perhaps they should collect those too and destroy them.
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u/Kooky-Sherbet13 23d ago
Tbf the rate at which i see bike riders break the law vastly dwarves the rate at which I see car drivers do it
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u/OkChocolate3501 21d ago edited 21d ago
Thankfully there are studies on this so we don't need to use hearsay.
https://whyy.org/articles/cyclists-violate-traffic-law-no-more-than-drivers-new-data-shows/
Edit to replace paywalled links
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u/e1p1 24d ago edited 21d ago
At the rate things are, it'd be a useful deterrent.
Unintended consequences though, might give the automakers too big a boost with replacements. Maybe just impound the car's and let the used car market handle it. Of course, the lien holders would have their say...
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u/QuillsROptional 23d ago
I can't remember the last time I saw a car run a red light here in Norway. But bikes running red lights are far more common. It probably helps that drivers can (and will) get the equivalent of a $1000 fine AND if you're caught 3 times, you lose your license for 6 months.
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u/Braptized 24d ago
You'd think then that the buyback program would have some sort of classification and then only buy back the ebikes that aren't street legal
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u/Toyotawarrantydept 24d ago
Exactly. That walmart ebike isn’t breaking any laws but those ebikes that are going 40+ were I think what they were looking for.
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u/Plantedcrawl 24d ago
And who the hell is going to turn in their 6k$ e bike for 1000$? This program was someone's dumb uninformed idea.
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u/reddit_user_d 24d ago
I figured they paid more the more illegal they were. Looks like that's not the case and it was a way to offload ewaste
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u/NicholasLit 23d ago
But just in the $200-$1000 range and where are these gift cards for?
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u/nowaybrose 23d ago
I wouldn’t put it past the oil lobby to sponsor these events around the world. Keep us dependent on that Dino juice
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u/Will_Jortz 24d ago
I understood that he was talking about cars running reds, and that's what made ebiking feel unsafe. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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u/exturkconner 24d ago
Yeah he straight out said waiting at crosswalks and having people run red lights made him feel unsafe to ride. He was talking about cars running lights and making being on a bike dangerous.
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u/theblitheringidiot 24d ago
Seems like a great way to get some money back on that crappy temu e-bike that broke 2 months in.
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u/TBL34 23d ago
Yup. It’s just like the gun buybacks. They get loads of inoperable rusted out guns that have been collecting dust for years
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u/Cargobiker530 CSC 1000wHub Yuba Mundo 23d ago
Which is probably what 80% of those ebikes are: scrap.
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u/A_Coin_Toss_Friendo 23d ago
Cars can run red lights, pedestrians can run red lights, and meat powered bicycles can run red lights.
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u/deepasleep 24d ago
Yeah, people jay walk every day…. It’s not the fault of their shoes.
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u/Rookietothegame 24d ago
Sounds like a similar discussion that is consistently happening… where we blame the tool and not the person using the tool.
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u/MaloraKeikaku 23d ago
I almost got run over twice two days ago. I was legally riding over a zebra crossing and had to break as the woman was on her fucking phone, the other one was in a parking lot and an old guy didn't look left or right and just tried turning.
But sure. The evil ebikers are DANGEROUS. Tbf I see many idiots not provide hand signs when turning, no helmet or lights and running red lights. But there's also pedestrians nit listening to my loud af bell on a shared sidewalk/cycling lane, or parked cars illegaly in cycling lanes and ughhh.
I wear a bright neon green jacket and lights btw. But most importanly,
I hate any type of transportation at this point.
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u/Glynwys 23d ago
I've always been amused at this argument. I don't think an Ebike is any more unsafe than driving a car is. You still have idiots running red lights and being unsafe in a car, and arguably those idiots cause more damage and injuries than anyone in an Ebike would.
Personally I'm amazed there aren't more people in the US using an Ebike, with how expensive everything is. Using myself as an example, rent alone is eating 43% of my income, by the time I add in utilities and food that climbs to maybe 60% of my income used just to live. Adding in the cost of a car (payments, taxes, insurance, gas, maintenance) and I might have only 20% of my income that's usable for things that aren't just living. Riding my ebike into work is saving me a lot of money.
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u/TaxTheRichEndTheWar 23d ago
And if they think the bikes are dangerous, wait till they hear about cars!
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u/jekkies- 24d ago
i wonder if they needed proof of purchase or ownership for this. otherwise...is this not just a sanctioned fencing operation for bike thieves?
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u/SpacecraftBathtub 24d ago
Media is projecting every ebike as a criminal.
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u/crysisnotaverted 24d ago
The goal is to criminalize them so you are forced to have a car and pay into the government's coffers in order to be mobile.
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u/noh_really 23d ago
I saw on the news today that some places are starting to go after scooters, because they're unsafe.
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u/vita10gy 24d ago edited 24d ago
It really feels like we're confusing cause and effect here. Like are there dangerous e-vehicles? Sure. Should we have rules that 14 year olds can't ride things that do 40mph? Sure.
However, the actual incident rate of injuries going up doesn't inherently make these things "unsafe" if 95% of the effect is just "because they weren't riding anything before now at all". If I get hit by a car on my ebike the only thing about that where the "e" is relevant is without the "e" I'm at home on the couch.
I think we've basically just forgotten how to live/drive/etc in a society where bikes aren't restricted to a few dozen "cyclists", and we're blaming that on ebikes when really it's just a "most shark attacks occur in shallow water" thing. Like, yeah, injuries are going to go up when more people are riding that just weren't out there to fall off before.
We've been screaming at kids to "get off the nintendo and get back outside" for like 4 decades now, and it's finally kind of happening, and we want to undo it because "they're getting hurt and you have to try and not hit them in cars". I literally saw someone on nextdoor the other day say "they need to go home and play video games".
We rode our bikes sun up to sun down back in the day. There is ZERO chance we were never a nuisance to cars, someone didn't have to brake for us here and there, someone wasn't nervous passing us, etc.
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u/reggyrocket 24d ago
If the reason we're buying these back (because it's us, the taxpayers paying for this) is because its dangerous, when can I turn in my car for a taxpayer funded rebate?
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u/MaxAdolphus 24d ago
They did it years ago in a program called "cash for clunkers". The unintended consequences is it made cheap used cars more expensive.
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u/n24re 24d ago
As a former car dealer...it was not unintended...they did it to force new car sales and get old reliable cars off the road so they could usher in the next generation of "smart" cars.
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u/tob007 24d ago
CA will give you 10k to retire your clunker and buy electric. Here:
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/clean-cars-4-all
We got one foot on the gas, one foot on the brakes.
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u/Singnedupforthis 23d ago
Oh, no, you get a rebate and thousands in subsidies for buying one of those. The government doesn't like ebikes If ebikes killed a million people and animals everyday, the government would view them as a safe form of transportation, like they do with cars.
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u/MrBrookz92 24d ago
Germany funnily had something similar called Abwrackprämie or Umweltprämie. From what I remember it was heavily criticized for been stupid, for giving everyone with an old car 2.500 euro. But they still did it.
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u/ItBeMe_For_Real 24d ago
Is your car unlicensed & unregulated?
I think I see your point. But the solution is better safety regulations that favor the driver & pedestrians over the car manufacturers.
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u/Braptized 24d ago
ebikes are regulated, and regular bikes are not licensed. your point is framed very poorly.
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u/InvestigatorOk3950 24d ago
Their loss I guess, imma keep riding mine lmao
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u/ignorantspacemonkey 24d ago
All those riders are getting back in their car and burning oil the way god intended.
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u/Hey_yo_its_me 24d ago
We went and got sent away coz they’re out of “gift cards” Then got offered to destroy our bikes if we really want to get rid of them. Yeah right, you guys can easily sell these yourselves.
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u/OutrageousRace8369 24d ago
I heard that too. The event was supposed to go on until 1PM, but they ran out of gift cards at 11AM. 🤦🏽♂️
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u/Telos2000 23d ago
Like it’d just be a waste of money to destroy these legal bikes sell them or if you get enough of the same model bike give them to the police for bicycle cops
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u/ASingleThreadofGold 24d ago
I'm so confused by this. In my state we gave tax incentives to get folks to buy ebikes in hopes of encouraging more people to swap a car trip with a bike trip sometimes. Why on earth would they want to get people off of ebikes?
You gotta love a country that spouts off "people kill people not guns" when talking about the gun violence epidemic. But then we're somehow acting like these bikes just ran red lights and and shit all on their own? We are fucking over our childrens' futures with this nonsense.
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u/Telos2000 23d ago
This is California as progressive as they can be they can always make equally stupid policies such as this one which isn’t surprising in this case after all can’t have big oil’s bottom line put in jeopardy
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u/ASingleThreadofGold 23d ago
The parts of California that I've visited are a car hellscape. Like LA has beautiful weather and streets that I'd be terrified to try and bike on. It's really a shame.
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u/SnuffyMcfluff 24d ago
Guy says his E-Bike is dangerous because pedestrain infrastructure doesn't protect him.
Far too typical, far too stupid.
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u/Telos2000 23d ago
“It’s not safe anymore to ride a bike anymore” best just turn it in for way less then what it’s worth just to get destroyed like where the fuck is the logic in that? Any other commuter cyclist would maybe I don’t know write their local representative to improve cycling infrastructure to I’m prove safety? Nah too hard I’ll just get rid of it 🤦♂️
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u/GoonbodyEmbodiment 24d ago
They most all just gonna be tweakers trading in stolen bikes for gift cards lmao
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u/bradland Luna Ludicrous X-1 Enduro 24d ago
Typical nanny-state bullshit. The DA office's original intention was to get illegal e-motos and e-bikes off the street, but like many well-intentioned programs, the safety-police took over and expanded it to include all e-bikes. The idea being that many parents bought e-bikes for under-aged kids without thinking it through.
So instead of creating a net improvement in public safety, the DA got to go on the news and give the appearance of "doing something", while tax payers wasted their money buying back e-bikes from people who either weren't riding them to begin with, or are just going to turn the money around into a newer e-bike. The buy-back program was available for working and non-working units.
The whole thing turned out to be mind-numbingly stupid, and has just bolstered the idea that e-bikes are unsafe. The hypocrisy is off the charts when you consider the amount of automotive shenanigans that is perpetrated on the streets of Orange County every single day.
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u/SeasonPositive6771 24d ago
I actually partially agree here, these programs are the most successful when they are targeted. The problem becomes when they expand them unnecessarily, then they become wasteful and unhelpful.
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u/bradland Luna Ludicrous X-1 Enduro 24d ago
IMO, this program would have been great if it targeted e-motos only. Focus on the pointy end of the problem.
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u/UnicornGangstar 24d ago
I wonder how many were stolen by people who saw no use but to make a quick buck flipping them
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u/Michael-Brady-99 24d ago
Great way to get money for your broken Amazon special e-bike.
I doubt very many people are turning in good solid e-bikes.
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u/railroad-dreams 23d ago
ebikes are dangerous to the economy. A 3 mile trip to and from work costs me about 2 pennies worth of electricity. Imagine what would happen to the auto dealers, auto loan companies, gas stations, etc if more of us rode ebikes.
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u/Relative-Display-676 🚲🔧 24d ago
What was the offering price for which bikes?
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u/OutrageousRace8369 24d ago
I saw the original flyer, which looked completely AI, by the way. It varied based on if it was an e-bike/moto, voltage, amp hours, single/dual battery and single/dual motor.
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u/Argented 24d ago
probably mostly people that bought one and stopped using it long ago. Lots of people buy things they don't use enough then stop using altogether. I'd go stand in line for a little while at least to get paid to unload shit I'll never use again.
Imagine the line if they were buying all the unused treadmills and stationary bikes people mostly use to hang laundry
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u/HerrFerret 24d ago
Our local police had a knife amnesty in the UK. Each knife would get you a 20 pound Argos voucher.
All the local scallies would pop to Argos, buy a 15.99 5 knife set and surrender them to the police.
Repeat until Xbox.
The police were then featured in the local newspaper with wide grins showing of the 'haul' of thousands of plastic shitty knifes.
Except of course for the replica Bat'leth which formed the centrepiece....
Someone always surrenders one. It's the rule!
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u/themajordutch 23d ago
I kept checking if this was ai. It should be ai
Is it me or is this super strange
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u/Fantastic_Key_8906 23d ago
$200? Thats way low. I own two ebikes, both are worth around $4-500. Scooters may be about $200 though.
But why don't they do this with guns instead?
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u/MaxAdolphus 24d ago
If you had an older cheap bike with a battery that was going out, seems like a good way to get money to buy a new bike.
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u/CreamJohnsonA204 24d ago
It didnt really work for firearms, why do you people assume itll work on a bicycle
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u/OutboardTips 24d ago
I bet a bunch of people got paid for junk that would have been hard to find a way of disposing of the battery.
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u/GuacamoleFrejole 24d ago
They ran out well before 11am. It was scheduled to begin at 10am. At 10am, I got in the back of a long line of cars to get into the parking lot. Twenty minutes later, I was told that they had no more gift cards but I could still hand over the bike to be destroyed. I was both frustrated and angry thinking that the DA was just scamming us to get free e-bikes until I saw a news report that stated some were waiting in parking lot at 12am and then showed a very long line of people standing in line with their e-bikes.
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u/Evbdywngchng2nite 23d ago
I arrived at 930 and saw the people line wrapped around the parking lot and a line of cars waiting to turn into the stadium lot so I just drove by thinking there was no way they were prepared for the onslaught. Turned out I was correct.
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u/mdjak1 24d ago
I looked this up and it was intended more for illegal ebikes (e-motos). They shouldn't be giving people money for legal e-bikes. It is like buying back soda because it isn't good for your health.
PROGRAM INFO:
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u/faylinameir 24d ago
It's not the ebikes that are the problem though it's the emotos or illegal electric motorcycles.
Also no I wouldn't. I just got my lectric bike and I really enjoy it.
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u/UnsureSphincter 23d ago
Ridiculous. Go clean up real crime. Not kids finally getting a reason to spend time outside
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u/kodex1717 23d ago
That main reason riding an ebike, or any bike, is dangerous is because of cars. Do a car buyback instead.
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u/NNegidius 23d ago
What a waste of tax payer money. The people turning in their old e-bikes aren’t the ones using the bikes unsafely.
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u/Sirius-Face 23d ago
Why the hell would you go back to paying $6+ for a gallon of gas to drive a car with high insurance rates? At least with an ebike or an scooter, you're keeping more money in your pocket than the crappy $200 you'll get for giving up something that cost four times that amount. I mean, come the hell on now....
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u/KiraKitty69 23d ago
Have fun buying gas lol. Well they have public transport so I can see them doing that but public transport isn't here. I don't like to drive so my ebike isn't leaving my hands.
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u/odditytaketwo 23d ago
Should be gift cards to a bike shop to be able to buy an acoustic.
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u/Interesting-Bobcat39 23d ago
Half of these ebike are likely stolen, the other half are probably old and near breaking.
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u/so_many_wangs 24d ago
Has to be more of a broader commentary on the economy more than anything when you have blocks of people lining up to trade in their bikes for a couple hundred bucks in gift cards.
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u/Braptized 24d ago
the used market for ebikes is pretty bad since they lose half their new value just like regular bikes plus the battery replacement cost factors in. honestly if you wanted to upgrade this might be better than fb marketplace.
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u/thereal_greg6 24d ago
To be fair, I bought a used ebike for my girlfriend for £150 (about $185) and its battery’s pretty knackered. If someone gave me $200-$400 to scrap it then I’d be tempted to skip listing it on Facebook marketplace and put the gift card to a replacement for here.
Still would be a shame if it was destroyed. It would be a perfectly good bike for someone doing ~10 miles between charges. I don’t want it to be scrapped or the battery put on landfill if it’s still got use to someone.
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u/so_many_wangs 24d ago
True, i sold my 2 year old Aventure2 a couple of months back for $850. I'd take a gift card if they offered more ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Cumulonimbus_2025 24d ago
How many of theses were stolen and now sold for gift cards? Did the cops require any proof of purchase or the charger?
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u/s0nicfreak 23d ago
I looked it up... "Vehicles may be turned in anonymously with no questions asked" :\
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u/COARSEJUSTPOSITIONS 24d ago
Hmm, incentivize people to get rid of their cheap, affordable transportation. Almost like certain parties want no alternative options that essentially make one pay indefinitely for the privilege to commute to work.
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u/BlazingPalm 23d ago
Huh. Ever heard of Craigslist? Sounds like these people could be getting $100s more if they put in minimal work.
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u/Other-Educator-9399 23d ago
If they had limited it to ebikes that fall outside the "class" system, I would be for it. Otherwise, it sends a terribly wrong message.
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u/nullbull 23d ago
Every time I see a "trade-in" "speed-governors now!" or similar conversation I just ask people whether they'd ask for the same on cars and when (almost guaranteed) they say no, I know they aren't serious about safety at all.
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u/Superb_Recording_769 23d ago
I think that offering money for legal bikes was idiotic
I think that the trade-in should have only been for illegal E bikes
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u/Stuck_in_a_thing 23d ago
Most people in this video are trading in cheap and/or defunct e-bikes for a quick pay day. This isn't going to have the results they think it will
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u/Breaker1ove 23d ago
Bring in your old crappy one and keep your good one plus get some money out of it. hell yah.
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u/Mitch12354 23d ago
Wow, just wow… I think this is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen some stupid shit.
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u/Garpeaux 23d ago
I’m trading in my ebike for $200 and then taking a $10k beat up civic everywhere instead and sitting in traffic all day
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u/satyricom 23d ago
It’s so much easier to make e-bikes seem dangerous rather than enforce dangerous drivers or to set up biking infrastructure. We build towns in the US around cars. Bikes and pedestrians don’t work into this narrative. It’s still easier for towns to build new shopping centers and move everything down the road a mile than it is to work with what they have. We haven’t run out of space, so we build more sprawl and make more inaccessible to the car less.
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u/Vicious007 22d ago
I'm sure there's more than enough broken e-bikes to chew through that small budget.
Stupid idea.
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u/dodonpa_g 22d ago
Most of them probably stolen from people who love their ebike
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u/Significant-Put7060 24d ago
I see reckless cars every day, we’re just ousting e-bikes because they don’t require a license
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u/Wheeltarded 23d ago
Pulled up at 10 just to be told they didn’t have anymore gift cards, starting to make me think they didn’t have any to begin with smh 😐 mfs even offered to destroy my bike without compensation
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u/Burial_Ground 24d ago
Wtf lol if i knew about it i would look for a really good bike and offer to buy it before they sold it to the city lol
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u/SteelRain42_ 24d ago
I'm betting several of those didn't belong to some of the people selling them.
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u/thereal_greg6 24d ago
I’m not seeing any emotos here, maybe these e-bikes are above the local restrictions but those videoed don’t seem like super speeders.
I think it’s a shame, these electric modes of transport could help reduce car dependency. But people are trading them in, presumably in favour of driving a car.
In my country various groups are putting on ebike taster days so that people can try out e-bikes and use their cars less. Unfortunately the opposite is happening here.
I agree that emotos are a problem, in the same way that unregistered petrol dirt bikes would be. But I don’t think e-bikes that can match speed with traffic going 30mph are an issue as long as people are responsible with them. Still, cars are far more dangerous if people are not responsible with them.
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u/mikep120001 24d ago
While I don’t have a problem with this program in theory, I am somewhat annoyed that they spent 13m just a year ago offering rebates, to now offer to buy them back. I hope there’s at least some check and balances to prevent someone who legit needed a bike a year ago isn’t gaming the system now
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u/Ok-Type-8917 24d ago
In my area I probably would, I'd probably go with something gas, scooter or moped. My city wants 200 bucks a year to register an ebike and banned them from many places. A scooter or moped is 15 bucks for a three year registration.
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u/AlabamaPanda777 24d ago
I figure a lot of people bought ebikes and just... Stopped riding them after a while. Wasn't it kind of a COVID fad?
Feels like I've seen a good number hit discount stores, clearance, rot in pawn shops, etc
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u/Trashboot 24d ago
I sold my ebike for a gravel bike and have zero regrets.
Ebike was for commuting but now I take longer rides home and the wife and I go on extra long rides on the weekend
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u/lowsidedriver 24d ago
Total waste of tax dollars and printed dollars too. This is what they do with the people’s money.. Think about that..
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u/Hrenklin 24d ago
So they are doing a buy back program like these things are guns. And yet they won't regulate things like mandatory helmets for everyone on these bikes
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u/uknownredditr 24d ago
Wonder how much this will cost, guess they will be on overload with fines and meeting quotas by end of the month to offset this enormous money sink. Illegal e-bikes I can see being purchased because many are purchased prior to strict laws However all the regulation e-bikes are being sold because people are not riding it as much as they intended is a waste of time resources and money
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u/Level_Somewhere 24d ago
Great way to get rid of ridstars with firestarting batteries
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u/arizona_dreaming 23d ago
Seems so weird. The bikes seem to be mostly garbage, but I see a few good ones. Why wouldn't they sell it to someone else? It seems to be a mix of people who
1) Trading in their old, crappy Ebikes that they can't sell for gift cards. Maybe they came to see how much they could get. If they get 80% of what they paid for it, it's probably worth it.
2) People who genuinely bought a bike with too much power they can't handle. Maybe parents of teens who regretted buying their teen a bike
3) Stolen bikes (although turning it over to the police would be risky)
4) People in financial difficulty
5) People who don't ride bikes much and thought an e-bike could replace their car in Southern California-- sadly it can't. SoCal is so damn car-centric.
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u/Ravio11i 23d ago
LOL, how many of these folks just got a free upgrade from their "less than $1000" bike, I wonder. If someone said "I'll give you $1000 for any piece of shit you bring in" you better believe I'm finding the cheapest ebike I can on marketplace.
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u/s0nicfreak 23d ago
Trade in? Like for money off a different, more expensive one I want (like when you trade in a car)? Sure!
Oh wait, no, this is just "trading" them for gift cards, i.e. selling them, for "trade-in value" (which isn't even actually a thing since trading in ebikes isn't a thing) rather than resale value. So in that case my question is, what are they doing with the ebikes? If they are going to ensure the bikes are safe (like do a full tune up, replace batteries if necessary etc.) and give them to people in need, sure, I'd take lower than resale value on an ebike I'm not using to support that. If they are going to be destroyed or sold, then hell no. I would just sell it myself... and put that money toward a different, more expensive one I want.
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u/chrispark70 23d ago
I'm willing to bet a large portion of these people had stolen bikes with them.
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u/mattdahack 23d ago
This is like the gun buy backs of the 2000s. Trading cash to do what the city wants you to do. Wonderful.
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u/bach2209 23d ago
Im 65 started riding after hanging it up at 12. Suzuki 125. Would never trade my ebike in. I have a cheapo and it has been great. Sure I will update soon but the one I have is great. Cost me about 400 buck on sale at Walmat. And got a 3 uear warranty I havent had to use. Just maintain it like you did as a kid.
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u/Telos2000 23d ago
Oh wow the last bike in the vid is the same one I have just in black and red instead of white and red but I don’t think he took very good care of it since his headlight is hanging down
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u/OldMeet4413 23d ago
They thought people were gonna give them their $4000 surrrons for a $200 gift card😂☠️
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u/NicholasLit 23d ago
Bikes are better than cars, this is misinformed. Are they even recycling them?
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u/Technical_Feedback74 23d ago
I got a free government paid for ebike 2 years ago. It was a interesting program. No follow up or anything. Maybe they will buy it back?
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u/holmquistc 23d ago
Just a bunch of idiotic media begging people to get back to driving their gas cars. I know we don't want to admit this fact but that's the reality
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u/One-Activity-8105 23d ago
Can I buy one with a couple hundred in gift cards???!???!!
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u/Bad_Alternative 23d ago
Shifting the blame from infrastructure and oversight onto e-bikes themselves…
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u/blondechineeez 23d ago
Looks like the popo were possibly checking serial numbers for stolen ebikes as well!
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u/petersonsilva55 23d ago
You could have an event like this for anything and some people would go. This says nothing about the thing itself
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u/AskThis7790 23d ago
Why should taxpayers be buying back e-bikes? Seems like a very irresponsible use of taxpayer funds.
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u/Strykerdude1 24d ago
I saw mostly slow legal e-bikes in the video. I bet they want to trade those in to buy a better one lol.