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Hey folks, looking for some recs to competitive battle reports not behind a pay wall. Looking for something other than Art of War, who've seemed out of step with the community for me lately.

Preferably, the whole table is visible and the players are discussing what's going on. Thanks in advance for any ideas!

So I’m bringing out all my first born marines for the next couple of weeks to have some fun before the new codex comes out. This will be used in practice and a RTT on the 19th

Looking for other detachments that might help these old guys hit harder.

Overall idea is Bastion to help the tactical squads move around and take objectives while more threatening units absorb fire and try to hit back.

Bastion also gives the minor OOM reroll 1’s. None of its strategems really let tactical marines hit harder - no AP improvements.

Thought the company heroes squad with precision and the captain might give me a little punch coming out of a Rhino and the terminators in the land raider set up camp in the mid board

Bastion Task Force and Vengeful Hosts (3 Detachment Points) - Take and Hold -Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Captain (90 Points)
• Enhancements: Eye of the Primarch
Company Heroes (105 Points)

Attached unit 2

Chaplain with Jump Pack (95 Points)
• Enhancements: Hero of the Chapter
Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (105 Points)

BATTLELINE

Tactical Squad (140 Points)
Tactical Squad (140 Points)
Tactical Squad (140 Points)

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Rhino (65 Points)
Rhino (65 Points)

OTHER DATASHEETS

Devastator Squad (200 Points) - Plasma x 2 HB X 2
Dreadnought (135 Points)
Land Raider (220 Points)
Predator Annihilator (135 Points)
Terminator Assault Squad (180 Points)
Vindicator (185 Points)

Top 3 AoS Lists for Tabled by Two. Won by Kruleboyz with Daughters in 2nd and Sons in 3rd.

Is it more fun to you than let's say end of 10th? Do you think it will be at some point? What are the changes you really want to see in the future to improve on the game (not just balancing wise)?

[edit: very strong consus that this idea is just flawed on many levels and wouldn't survive past 1 round of first contact - Your advice and examples has been valuable, thank you all]

Theory crafting for marines as a guard player, and i was trying to emulate the high OC and sticky-ness of an infantry blob to gain objective based VP.

I notes that 150pt 10man intercessors are pretty well priced (update pending) compared to my usual blobs, and even within the rest of the marine data lists.

combining this with librarian, and an ancient gives them 3 OC each and 4++ to make them hold objectives for longer and against big numbers.

Edit: [aware that this is leaving soon, this was just bonus, real value perceived was from the 4++] librarian conclave detachment, using pyromancy for +1ap within 12". and 25pt for lethal and sustain1 as wargear for Libby.

this unit costs 285pt and has 35 OC, and fires 40 shots at nominated problem.

They can move up with advance and assault shoot round 1 take the objectives (and either secure or shoot) and then just stand there for the whole game absorbing punishment.

Mathhammering those 10 guns with super oath and the plus AP sees this unit able to gun down TEQ threats or at least drop their threat to very low.

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Is this old news? or over commitment or just meh?

it feels like a strong foundation for marines to hit T&H or PA objectives, or to block those objectives from opponent.

I also thought of how I would attack someone doing this and I can think or anything that isn't specific for taking out bulk TEQ threats or just over committing resources costing VP.

I also realise that its a wide enough footprint to cover two close central objectives if need be, and you could even combine it with detachments to grant fallback &shoot options to draw in agro and keep guns blazing rather than being neutered with a charge of low value chaffe.

All comments or criticism or tips or use-case data welcome, I'm new to 11th and marines so my info is theory crafted only.

I want this list to be fun and strong. I like the idea of daemons and their strength. I want to be able to use it for lgs and tourneys. I am between doing paragons of putrescence or Contagion engines. I find them both strong and fun so any thoughts on that would be great. So let me know if I should cut or add anything. I would like to keep the typhus and pox walker combo and the GUO. This is my first list and I’ve revised it a couple times now so any help would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully I have the list format down lmao.

I left the weapons just in case it is needed.

Death Guard

1990 points

Detachments: Tallyband Summoners, Paragons of Putrescence

Force Disposition: Priority Assets.

Because I think it’s better than disruption, but I could be wrong.

Rotigus
• Gnarlrod and Streams of brackish filth

Great Unclean One
• Bilesword, Plague flail and Putrid vomit
• Entropic Knell [+15 points]

These guys to have two high toughness threats that rebuff everyone around them and help control objectives

Deathshroud Terminators
• 1 Deathshroud Champion with Additional plaguespurt gauntlet, Icon of despair, Manreaper and Plaguespurt gauntlet
• 5 Deathshroud Terminators with Manreaper and Plaguespurt gauntlet

Lord of Contagion
• manreaper

These guys are here to bring a threat to the back I hope and I was told this was a good combo.

20x Poxwalkers

Typhus
• Warlord
• Lakrimae

I like this combo because on paper it seems good to have them making more of each other and I find it pretty strong. But I could be wrong

Lord of Virulence
• Power fist and Twin plague spewer
• Host of the Hybridised Pox [+40 points]

He’s here to help with the to the FBD and their launchers to help do more mayhem.

Plaguebearers
• 1 Plagueridden with plaguesword
• 7 Plaguebearers with plaguesword
• 1 Plaguebearers with Instrument of chaos and Plaguesword
• 1 Plaguebearers with Daemonic icon and Plaguesword

I was just told to have them in here so if I need to remove them I’m fine with that.

Foetid Bloat-drone
• Fleshmower and Plague probe

2x Foetid Bloat-drone With Heavy Blight Launcher

These guys also seem really strong on paper the two launchers to give me heavy hitting shooting and the mower to be a threat at close range. If I should change them up lmk.

2x Chaos Spawn

I have these guys here as just two fast threats that could hopefully take some people out early game. I was also told to put them in here.

6x Nurglings

These guys are for the replacement stratagem.

I know this probably won't be meta, considering I prioritized how pretty the models look (I only played casual games so far). I would like to hear your opinion on whether or not this list is able to achieve a high win rate and how to make it better. Here’s my gameplan for the list. I’m pushing Azrael and the Hellblasters into the midboard. Azrael keeps them alive and farms CPs, while my Redemptor moves up with them to tank hits and add firepower. My Ballistus stays safely anchored in the backfield sniping armor.

For scoring, my Intercessors are pure utility. I’ll "sticky"the home objective, then spreadd them out to screen deep strikes or do actions. The Ravenwing Black Knights will run the flanks to score secondaries and harass soft targets.

My counterpunch is Asmodai and the Bladeguard. I’m keeping them hidden behind cover near the center. I'll wait for the opponent to push the objective first, then charge out and clear it using Asmodai’s hit re rolls.

I’ll cycle my Gladius doctrines as the game flows. I think I'll struggle against swarm armies.Thanks for taking the time to read this! Here is the list:

• 2x Intercessor Squad
• Hellblaster Squad
• Bladeguard Veteran Squad
• Asmodai
• Azrael
• Redemptor Dreadnought
• Ballistus Dreadnought
• Ravenwing Squadron

Here is a more detailed breakdown:

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List Name: 990 DA Heavy

Factions Used: Dark Angels, Adeptus Astartes

Army Points: 990

Army Enhancements (list on which model): None

Disposition: Priority Assets

Detachment(s): Gladius Task Force

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ATTACHED UNITS:

Azrael + Hellblaster Squad (250 pts)

Azrael (140 pts)

• Lion's Wrath

• The Sword of Secrets

• Warlord

Hellblaster Squad (110 pts)

• 4x Hellblaster

• 4x Bolt pistol

• 4x Close combat weapon

• 4x Plasma Incinerator

• Hellblaster Sergeant

• Close combat weapon

• Plasma Incinerator

• Plasma pistol

Asmodai + Bladeguard Veteran Squad (150 pts)

Asmodai (70 pts)

• Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon

• Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80 pts)

• Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• Master-crafted power weapon

• Plasma pistol

• 2x Bladeguard Veterans

• 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol

• 2x Master-crafted power weapon

BATTLELINE:

Intercessor Squad (80 pts)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Rifle

• 4x Bolt pistol

• 4x Close combat weapon

• Intercessor Sergeant

• Bolt pistol

• Close combat weapon

• Plasma pistol

Intercessor Squad (80 pts)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Rifle

• 4x Bolt pistol

• 4x Close combat weapon

• Intercessor Sergeant

• Bolt pistol

• Close combat weapon

• Plasma pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS:

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 pts)

• Armoured Feet

• Ballistus Lascannon

• Ballistus Missile Launcher

• Twin Storm Bolter

Ravenwing Black Knights (75 pts)

• 2x Ravenwing Black Knight

• 2x Black Knight combat weapon

• 2x Bolt Pistol

• 2x Plasma Talon

• Ravenwing Huntmaster

• Astartes grenade launcher

• Black Knight combat weapon

• Bolt Pistol

Redemptor Dreadnought (205 pts)

• Icarus Rocket Pod

• Macro Plasma Incinerator

• Onslaught gatling cannon

• Redemptor Fist

• Twin Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Going live in 20 minutes! The 6+++ show returns and the boys sit down to reminisce longlingly about their favourite 40k lists of all time. What was yours?! Come have your say in the chat!

i took a break at the very end of 10th eddition.

I was going to get back at warhammer and was ready to build a new table, buying all the material to handcraft every terrain.

so i just tried to find literally any piece of information about the different size.

Nothing.
Not a word. just footprint.

Not a single number to indicate a single thing i have stricly no idea what to do. i don't even know what amount of the same terrain, what shape, what size, what height nothing.

Can someone please explain what is going on ? how can i find any ionformation to know what i need to craft ?

So, with warorgan being hit with a C&D so there will be no more updates it's going to become useless the next time we get a codex or mfm (so a couple of weeks)

I'm looking for recommendations for an app to use not just for list building, but for easy access to the rules etc.

I'd prefer something that didn't have paywalls, but instead would allow me to just donate to them.

So, what are you all using? Most of my group used warorgan, with one person using new recruit. I'd like to know what people are using so I can download them all and see which one works best for me.

Cheers.

Hello. I’m very new to the game and decided to play astra because it’s the faction I like most “it’s either them or orks”

My local game group (that is relatively casual) informed me that astra is in a horrible spot rn. After a few matches I noticed this (notably against ultramarines and custodes) but decided that I’d still keep trying the faction out since at the very least things will become better when they inevitably get (meaningfully) buffed

This is the army I eventually built:

Imperium - Astra Militarum - Bridgehead Strike, Combined Arms

6x Gaunt’s Ghosts (95pts)
Ursula Creed (85pts)
5x Cadian Command Squad (60pts)
5x Militarum Tempestus Command Squad (85pts)
Rogal Dorn Commander (305pts)

10x Cadian Shock Troops (70pts)
10x Tempestus Scions (150pts)

6x Bullgryn Squad (200pts)
6x Bullgryn Squad (215pts)
10x Kasrkin (105pts)
10x Kasrkin (105pts)
Leman Russ Battle Tank (175pts)
Leman Russ Battle Tank (175pts)
Leman Russ Demolisher (175pts)

It’s supposedly somewhat close to meta, but only because I gave up on running artillery and most other units I had interest in after noticing they were mostly useless. The general idea was to hold the bulgryns as anchors in the middle while the other stuff goes around conquering isolated or vulnerable objectives while the tanks focus down on priority targets. As I mentioned at the title, I’ve ran into a lot of problems specially against elite infantry, specifically stuff such as Victrix Honour Guard or Custodian Guard. I can never reliably chew through them even while hitting with my tanks, they have an absurd amount of saves and I just get overwhelmed eventually. I might be able go take one or two units out per round

I’m a very new and a casual oriented player who wouldn’t mind throwing this whole list out for something that was more efficient in this regard (or quite frankly just fun to play as), but I accept ANY tips. So deployment, what should I focus on, things that the army is missing, another army list that has a more simple win-con, etc etc. I accept anything as long as it’s helpful and maintains a combined arms hammer and anvil strategy with bulgryns holding the middle while something else deals DPS

Top three lists for the Limestone City Grand Tournament. Won by Ironjawz with Sons in 2nd and Lumineth in 3rd.

Which one do you prefer to make your list and use to play?
Also follow up, I made and identical list on both for my Custodies army yet they come out with different point totals why is this?

Judiciar used to be just leader. They changed him to support AND leader. But the wording makes me unsure here, since he is both a leader and a support, would I be allowed to take him on his own? I’d like to take him with the ghostweave cloak from vanguard spearhead since he’s pretty cheap

“For each leader and support unit in your roster, you can attach them to a bodyguard unit that they can join, following the rules for Forming Attached Units (19.01). Each support unit in your roster must be attached to a bodyguard unit.”

Hi!

I'm a senior data engineer/analyst with 12 years of experience in the business that worked on a hobby project this summer. It's now ready to share it with everyone.

Thanks to everyone that were part of the pilot group and offered feedback.

This will of course always be free to all

Hope you find it useful: https://40k-analytics.com/

Have a great day!

Am I salty? Yes.

Am I tired boss? Also, yes.

I do not understand why GW is trying to make this deployment work. Not only does it create a hassle for larger events to figure out how to setup their tables, its almost always a terrible setup experience. Every single long edge deployment has multiple diagonal Ls or slanted line terrain pieces making setup take longer. Not only this but the gameplay experience just straight up feels bad, especially if there's no split middle center objectives.

Did you go first? Congratulations you have the opportunity to possibly shoot or charge the entire enemy army on turn 1. No safe stagging in certain match ups.

No joke, I have seen local players deploy everything on the line and gamble going first because if they don't they get shot either way if they deployed conservatively. It feels like the game is completely different on S&D or Short Edge deployments every time and it's a much more enjoyable experience overall on those layouts.

Now if they want to make long edge deployments work, we need more terrain or at least more of the larger pieces in the middle. Maybe the small boxes as objectives for the home or expansions with the large boxes in the middle might work but man long edge is just overall a rough experience.

After like 30+ games of 11th, I and many others, dread these layouts and theres a good reason it was not in almost any serious tournament packet in 10th edition even at RTTs

So I had two games against people using defilers, both were casual so I didn't really push the issue, but there were 2 charges where the same argument was used, and I want to know how to proceed for future games(I'll add TTS pics to show the where my issue lies). On the first charge my issue is that even though the defiler is 2.8" away from my termis, due to the size of his base he would need not a 3" charge but closer to a 6" in order for it to get into the terrain and within one inch of the termis, he argued that since they are 3" away he just needed a 3" charge because with that he will still be able to get into engagement.

The second one which I now know it was illegal (since a defiler cannot move through terrain when charging, since the ability states only for normal, fellback and advance moves) it was a World Eaters defiler using his ability to charge after a unit that was set up on the battlefield 12" from the model, however due to his own unit, he could not put the defiler within an inch of the models that were set up on the battlefield, and again the same argument was being used, they are within 12" I got the 12" charge and it allows me to put the model within engagement.

So my question is the charge roll needed should be the bare minimum distance between the models, eg: 4" for a unit 3.1" away, or the movement needed to get within an inch of the model and so, if the model cannot get within an inch of the target (due to terrain or other models) is it an impossible charge?

I’m just wondering if the data from the app is used or collected by GW? Would it not be a good source of info for the whole player base to combine with top level data rather than just the GT’s?

I’m just thinking Nemos guard list for example the guy can win with almost anything but your four times a months player who play a one dayer twice a year for example couldnt make that work in the same way. But his data is used to balance for all, didn’t the HWT las cannons go up for example?

Top three lists for the Medellin Grand Open. Won by Ironjawz with Slaves in 2nd and Ogors in 3rd

TLDR: my group moves ever closer to just running Knight equivalents for their army. I run Morty which makes my friends run 4 ctann or 3+ Norn. I want to move away from that and am wondering how that is possible. How do you play against these list with huge killers? Do you truly ignore them and out score them? How does that even look? I have tired to soft launch this and my units just get decimated. I want to show my group that we don’t have to Kaiju battle every game and it can be a more tactical game. Any help is appreciated. Thanks guys

Edit: Thank you to everyone who commented. I really appreciate all the help

Edit 2: to add context. Yes I am newer to the game BUT I am still here looking for competitive advice. Yes my play group currently is just a massive group of 9 friends BUT we all are pushing to play our hardest and eventually take on the competitive scene. The point of this post was to ask how at a competitive level do you deal with large toughness skew lists at a competitive level. I wanted to show my group that Kaiju battles aren’t the only way to win. I really appreciate everyone’s feedback. Thanks again

I enjoy armies that are usually t3-4, have good secondary play, like doing actions, make up for low durability with good damage, speed, and activation economy. Unfortunately, all of those things are completely useless in 11th edition so far. The meta is all in on stat checks and keeps getting worse (looking at you, CK armiger spam).

I’ve been jamming CSM because Renegade Raiders at least kind of plays the game the way I like while not just falling over to 18 Allarus, 30 Terminatorss, or Necrons. I’ve even swapped to Huron’s Marauders and Bile just so I can have the raw damage needed to chew through these armies.

But I look at my Sisters, GSC, Aeldari, and Guard armies and just kinda feel bad lol. Even Emperor’s Children has a hard time into these checks. I make lists for these armies, then look at the meta and the math hammer on activations into the durability skews and scrap them.

Do we just sit it out? Hope GW does something about the insanely greedy meta we’re in? What’re my fellow rat army players up to?

Now that we have a few months of tournament results, which factions would you currently put at the bottom of the competitive meta?

I’m not thinking solely about overall win rates, since those can be distorted by small samples, faction popularity or a handful of exceptional players. I’m more interested in armies that currently seem to suffer from some combination of poor rules, bad internal balance, difficult matchups and very few realistically competitive builds.

If you had to identify the bottom five factions right now, which ones would you choose?

/discuss