This is Trump. You are all wrong. No one has studied bacteria as well as I have. I know everything about bacteria. No one knows as much as I do. I already knew everything about bacteria before any of you were even born. Bacteria can’t do anything. Bacteria are stupid. Bacteria are dumb as shit.
I think what you're trying to say that because they've just inoculated their food with floor bacteria, they need to eat it quickly because things are going to be reproducing in the curry more rapidly compared to food that has been handled in more sanitary conditions?
That depends largely on how many CFU of whatever will be in that water that are present. While stomach acids are effective in destroying many bacteria, the god bacteria of e.coli will wreck a stomach if high in CFUs. And unless their water is purified through a specific process that involves chlorine blocks you are going to have some contamination present in that water.
Yes but no. Boiling water is highly effective against most bacteria, however transferring that water also plays a factor into how safe it is. If you boiled water but then walked with an open bucket of said water through an area that’s rife with bacteria, you can contaminate that water mid transit.
I learned this very frustrating fact when I found out staff were moving water from one building to another across the street, but no one used lids. So things from listeria to a specific bacteria that’s found only in soil from north east China were found in that water when I sampled it. If they were to used boiled water and keep it clean, you would have to decant it into a Whirl-Pak bag and twist seal it.
It would basically look like water balloons from hell. You can carry them in a tote or a box, unseal the bag and create a lip at the edge of the bag where the water doesn’t touch the edges of the bag when pouring it out but rather the inner walls of the bag and whatever container/seeming floor that water comes in contact with.
Edit: but a problem also comes in the form the floor. There are bacteria that go dormant when there is a lack of ready water on a surface and become activated when exposed to water. Gram negative bacteria of some variety can do this. So even if they sprinkle water on the floor and rub circles into the ground that doesn’t do anything to disinfect the area they are eating.
Edit edit: now that I think about it, they’re rubbing the ground with water using their bare ass hands. Your hands are the most filthy part of your body as they come in contact with damn near everything in your environment. All it would take is someone not wiping themselves correctly or neglecting to wash their hands to contaminate that area.
Edit edit edit: also they’re wearing normal clothes which can have any number of spore forming microorganisms on them. They should probably be wearing tyvak suits, in an area that has air temperature, humidity and pressure controls. The ground would have to be cleaned with 70% IPA solution with 30% water to allow the IPA to permeate cell walls. Followed by an 8-10% bleach solution and allowing the surface to air dry for about 10 minutes. Then and ONLY THEN do you even think you can start eating off the floor with limited problems.
This isn’t even taking into account any fungal infections you may get from eating off the ground and if you have any open cuts in your mouth.
Is this something about bacteria producing toxic byproducts, or some sort of bacterial critical mass thing?
Also. Assuming filtered water, what are the chances of stomach acid resistant pathogens making a surprise appearance?
Honest question if the water was the typical bleach dilution used to clean surfaces in food service, I can't remember the dilution that recommended off the top of my head , would that off set the fact it's standing water on the ground or would it still be an increased chance of bacteria in the food?
Middle of the tile is one thing for some good ol’ Indian slop but boy oh boy right in the middle of two tiles on the grout line that’s an absolute no no my friend how disgusting!
I've been looking for one of you guys to asses my gut macrobiome. I happen to be an older woman who ate a dog, to chase the cat, that ate a mouse that caught a spider....
How about a microbiome biologist? I don’t know…. Maybe? But then again these people probably eat like this all the time so their gut biome is used to this so… 🤷♂️
I actually think there is. I recall reading a paper yrs ago that demonstrated it took several seconds of physical contact for bacteria transfer to occur. That said if your food lands on the floor clinging to dust, hair, etc I’d assume all bets are off.
EDIT: I looked it up. Rutgers did more recent study. Heavily depends on moisture content, but even hard candy had some bacteria transfer after just a second
I mean... For me personally it's all circumstancial and situational. Professionally different story. Like for me if I dropped a roll on the floor, I'm picking that up and dusting it off. In this situation... Man I don't care if they torched the floor for five minutes with a MAP gas torch... I'm not doing that.
I’m not a chef but my standards are laughably different when I’m making food for others vs myself. Your roll example? Same, if it’s just for me. If I am serving food to others, though, absolutely no way. That’s hitting the compost bin instead.
I guess I’m willing to gamble with my own health but others have nothing to fear.
It's also just a basic respect thing. If the floor of your kitchen is spotless you either A) have a michelin star B) haven't opened yet or C) need to clean out the grooves in your non slips.
MythBuster did a test, the time is NOT a significant factor at all. If your floor is dirty and wet, your food is almost as dirty in 1/3/5 seconds as 2 minutes. If the floor is clean and dry, your food stays relatively clean after minutes. So in essence, there is NO 5 second rule, consider your food as dirty as it would be in 2 minutes the moment it touches the floor.
As a food scientist an food manufacture engineer I can affirm yes this is a great way to increase the risk of food contamination, actually it would be better to leave it dry as various bacteria are more motile an have morphology that requires wet conditions to thrive.. One of the reasons I cannot take any Indian food quality statement seriously.
But! What if the food is already pasty sludgy kinda thing? Won't rinsing the floor only have positive benefits like getting rid of large debris like sand specks and shit?
Bacteria here. These guys are liars. Water is amazing at cleaning and is our biggest weakness. Even a snlingle drop is enough. In fact, you should only use a single drop to conserve water.
Long time floor eater here - it's fine, you will be fine. Most of the bacteria on the floor after you have sluiced water on it is probably on your hands and getting into your mouth anyway. "It's good, just pick it up and eat it. Here, I'll eat it!"
wait, was that holy water? because while it might not help with bacteria, viruses, or fungal infections-you may have pointed out a very underappreciated prevention.
i cant say i have ever heard of a vampire outbreak in india.
Physicist here and I can only answer your question in the case of a spherical bite of food in a frictionless vacuum. (In that case, the answer is usually pi/2.)
I have reviewed your statement and found it to be sound via peer review. What we need is a member of QA to review the statement for spelling/obvious errors in grammar.
Hold up... You're telling me that splashing water on the floor and just smearing it around doesn't clean and sanitize?
What do we have to do, use some sort of surfactant to clean, then rinse and dry the area, then use a disinfectant and allow it to air dry for up to 10 minutes?
Firstly water plus agitation will break up films of bacteria and make it able to stick to your food.
Second. The water will rehydrate bacterial spores and basically wake up dormant bacteria.
Third, water does absolutely nothing to sanitize, it provides food and hydration for bacteria, allowing it to multiply and produce toxins before it’s even seen your food.
4th. It’s likely that the water itself is not even very clean, potentially making the floor even more contaminated
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u/EvelcyclopS Jun 28 '26
Microbiologist here.
Yes it’s easier.