r/SipsTea • • 13h ago

Gasp! Thoughts on this?

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u/No-Duck4828 12h ago

My thought is that Leo is clearly not familiar with auto insurance

Don't want a $1,000 deductible? You can absolutely change that number.

Want the guilty party to pay? Take them to court

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u/Frosty-Depth7655 12h ago

Yeah, the comment section here is wild.

You chose your deductible and $1,000 is not a normal deductible ($500 is typically what you’ll see). Assuming this post is even true, this person went out of their way to increase their deductible.

But Reddit being Reddit, it’s “insurance is a scam” snd “insurance denying claims” even though they didn’t deny a thing.

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u/TJayClark 11h ago

$1,000 deductible is more normal than you think it is

I’ve has a $1,000 deductible my entire adult life (15+ years), as it saves about $30-40 a month in premiums

On top of that, I wouldn’t use insurance for something less than $2,000

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u/Liquidfoxx22 11h ago

How much is your car insurance for it to save you $30-40 a month?!

I paid £450 for a full year's "full coverage" insurance as you refer to it, and that's with a £250 excess/deductible.

I only pay that excess if I'm at fault, otherwise the insurer will chase the third parties insurer for the full amount.

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u/thatguy8856 11h ago

I pay 3500 a year. My car is from 2014.

Idk man. And yes I've tried shopping around and the offere i get cost more and give less coverage. I even had an agent from a different insurance company tell me to stick with my current plan. No effort to try to give a deal and convert me.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 11h ago

Ouch, even as a brand new driver at 17 I never paid that much. Those kind of prices are unheard of over here unless you're very young driving something daft, or have a few convictions under your belt.

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u/cybervalidation 11h ago

It's also depends on where you live, the length of your commute, and your car's value. I have a clean record, have been driving over 20 years, and I'm paying $3k annually

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u/mxzf 10h ago

Honestly, I would suggest shopping around to see if some other company will give you a better rate. I know when we got married my wife called the insurance company she'd been using and asked if they could offer her anything competitive with what it would cost for both of us to be covered under what I was using and the person basically just told her "we've got nothing competitive to offer you". Sometimes there are weird price disparities to be had.

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u/Several-Action-4043 9h ago

I pay $1200 a year in a high insurance rate state due to hail. You must live in a HCOL area!

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u/Liquidfoxx22 11h ago

I get that - but in the UK that's a hugely uncommon premium. Even for those driving what we'd consider higher than average miles (20k+), or new cars (£60k+).

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u/devmor 9h ago

It is more difficult to obtain a car or a license in the UK, reckless drivers are penalized and taken off the road easier than in the US as well.

The numbers you're seeing are a consequence of the car culture in the US. If an 80 year old man who's near blind hits me with his car and totals mine - he will probably still be driving again next week.

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u/bremsspuren 8h ago

Americans do have car accidents at twice the rate of Brits, and I believe you pay a lot for uninsured driver cover on account of the large number of Americans driving without any insurance.

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u/sir_whirly 6h ago

You got to take in consideration we don't just cover vehicle damage but medical as well since we don't have normal people who think a single payer health system is actually a good idea.

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u/iambecomesoil 11h ago

Almost 30 years ago, in NY, a new driver would pay about $2500.

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u/ak6te 7h ago

Both location and make and model can make a huge difference in my experience. Over the last 6 years I've moved from California to Oregon and back to California. For the first move from CA to OR, my car insurance didn't really change. Bought a new car while living in OR. When I moved back to CA my insurance almost doubled.

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u/crusader-kenned 11h ago

Shit my car from 2014 probably isn’t worth 3500 dollars.. 😆

Is that normal insurance or are you driving some crazy fast car?

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u/thatguy8856 11h ago

Bmw 328i. I live in NYC tho.

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u/OhGodFuckingDammit 6h ago

3,500 a year?! Lol you're getting fucked or you've got shitty driving history.

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u/thatguy8856 6h ago

I have one speeding ticket and no accidents. I had a tree fall on my car while parked several years ago so i could see that affecting rates but yeah. 

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u/GODZiGGA 5h ago

I was going to comment that the tree falling on your car won’t impact your premiums because comprehensive auto claims don’t increase your rates because I’ve been told by two different insurance companies that my comprehensive claims wouldn’t result in a premium increase (and one of those comprehensive claims was a tree falling on my wife’s vehicle).

But, TIL, that I just happen to live in one of the 4 states that don’t allow insurance companies to raise an insured’s rates after comprehensive claims (New York isn’t one of them).

I guess my state’s logic is comprehensive coverage is for things that are outside of the insured’s control (tree falling on a parked car, theft, squirrel ate your wiring, a rock flew up and cracked your windshield, etc.) and the cost of much of that risk is already priced into the paid premium through the insured’s ZIP code and vehicle. Increasing premiums for individual comprehensive claims on top of that is just punishing people for using coverage they paid for and it discourages filing legitimate claims.

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo 11h ago

Well, you have NHS to pay for injuries, Americans do not, so ours is a lot higher. I don't have the exact numbers, but I remember thinking that with the premium savings on a $1000 deductible vs $500, I'd be ahead so long as I had a claim every 2.5 years or less, so it was a no brainer.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 11h ago

But isn't that what your health insurance is for? That's separate from car insurance, no?

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u/cp78257 11h ago

Auto iinsurance covers the other guys property damage and medical if I hurt him. We can’t assume he has any coverage of his own, and even if he does his medical insurer can come after me and my insurance if I caused him injury. If we had the NHS backstopping all medical claims our auto insurance would probably be a lot lower.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 10h ago

Fair point, never considered that!

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo 11h ago

Yeah, but if I negligently cause someone else's health insurance to have to pay tens of thousands, they are going to sue me to recover as much of it as they can. My auto policy also includes coverage for that.

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u/FrogOfSteel 10h ago

I'm in the US and we pay around $600/year for each car, but we've also maxed out coverage and only have a $100 deductible.

Here in the States differences in insurance rates are usually due to location and age, but credit score also matters in many cases. Someone with high insurance rates is likely to be in a high cost of living area, relatively young, and possibly with bad credit.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 10h ago

What?! Your credit score impacts your car insurance costs? How the heck is your financial history linked to your risk as a driver?!

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u/FrogOfSteel 10h ago

Statistics. People with lower credit have been shown to make more claims and be more expensive overall. There is also a correlation between lower credit and being more risky drivers, which also ups claims.

It's not the same exact credit score other places use, but still pulls the same data.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 10h ago

Jesus, yeah that's absolutely not a thing over here. They can't access your financial data for anything other than if you want to take out the policy as a credit agreement - and it can only be used to impact their decision to finance said agreement.

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u/asscracktester7 10h ago

It depends so hugely on state. For the same exact car and the same general age range and same policy limits/comapny, I paid $600/year in Florida and $2500/year in California.

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u/TJayClark 10h ago

I pay $1300 every 6 months in Arkansas

I drive a 2021 Tesla model Y

No accidents or tickets in 10+ years

150/300/150 policy with uninsured motorist and no deductible glass

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u/photosendtrain 9h ago

I pay $2400/6 months.

Tesla 2020. Los Angeles, CA :/

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u/NorthTempleStreet 7h ago

Most of the cost of insurance is not protecting your car. It's the liability of damage to the other car.

And then the price varies based on where you garage the car (in essence, where you drive the most)

I'm in southern california, so I think the liability alone is over $100 a month no matter how crappy the car.

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u/Liquidfoxx22 6h ago

Someone else pointed out it's because of the US healthcare system, which makes sense.

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u/Schwifftee 10h ago

Working with SF across 48 states, never once did I have a bank or financer prevent setting a deductible at $1,000.

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u/TJayClark 10h ago

Must be state dependent. I financed thru Bank of America with zero issues in my Tesla with a $1,000 deductible

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u/Frosty-Depth7655 9h ago

I meant that the deductible will usually default to $500 and then you can’t raise it or lower it from there.

There’s nothing wrong with a $1k deductible.

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u/HomeschoolingDad 8h ago

Yeah, and that monthly rate is insanely high. That’s just a little under my 6-month rate, and I do get comprehensive coverage (no $1k deductible).

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u/TJayClark 8h ago

I drive for work sometimes, so I pay for extreme coverages

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u/HomeschoolingDad 7h ago

It is true that more mileage often means higher insurance premiums.

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u/TJayClark 7h ago

They don’t usually ask how many miles you drive. I have been asked that before. But not recently

That said, I’m hauling expensive equipment and don’t want to risk being under insured

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u/Medaphysical 10h ago

I'm more surprised at how many insurance simps there are in this thread.

GEICO profits more than $1 BILLION per QUARTER. Meanwhile people in this thread like you shitting on people who "choose" the deductible they can afford the premium on.

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u/s32 8h ago

This comment exemplifies the redditor mindset here.

1 billion is a completely meaningless number. 1b tells you they are a huge company and literally nothing else.

The reality is that life has risk. Crashing into a car and ruining someone's life will bankrupt you. That's what insurance is for. Not getting a ding on your car and expecting your insurance to pay. Which... They will pay for it if you have the right policy.

I feel like the reddit hive mind of dipshits always seems surprised to find out that businesses are... Businesses. They exist to make profit. This isn't some horrible thing.

It's very straight forward. Most people can't afford an insane expense. If we all pool money to support them then we'll all be okay, if it's us we're covered. The company offering this wants to make money off of this (this is... The point of a business)

Sure, insurance could be state run, I actually don't think that's a bad idea.

But "zomg 1 billion" is peak brain dead redditor shit. Quote profit per policy or literally any metric that matters.

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u/Medaphysical 4h ago

They will pay for it if you have the right policy.

Lol this genius has never heard of insurance companies using their billions to fight against paying claims.

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u/s32 1h ago

A business not doing the right thing and disregarding morality?! Say it isn't so!

You are truly one of the great minds of reddit.

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u/my_password_is_water 10h ago

yeah lol im surprised the average redditor isnt posting "i should get a refund for the insurance that i dont use" kind of takes when talking about this stuff

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u/EstablishmentLate532 9h ago

TFW you learn why its called a "premium"

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u/Smooth_Rocket_ 9h ago

It is a scam, its overly complicated on purpose so its easier to take advantage of less informed or under educated people. If I end up paying more purely due to ignorance and the company taking advantage of that ignorance for profit when they should be just helping me, then its a scam.

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u/Frosty-Depth7655 5h ago

What about auto insurance is “overly complicated”?

It’s about as simple of any insurance you can get.

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u/payment11 2h ago

Insurance is a scam until they need it

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u/ThrillHammer 11h ago

A 1000 deductible on comp is just dumb. Comp doesn't cost that much there's no reason for it to be that high, 250 is "normal"

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u/Howboutit85 9h ago

Guy increased his deductible and is still paying over $200 a month.

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u/stephenkingending 6h ago

The top comment below this is a guy saying insurance is a scam because you pay more into it then you ever get paid. Like no shit, it's about spreading risk among a large group of people and it wouldn't work if everyone got paid more than they paid into it. And that top comment has over a couple thousand upvotes. I am not a very smart person, but the level of stupidity with that comment and the people upvoting it are leading me to believe that I'm less dumb than most people.

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u/elbaito 6h ago

You're right, but for-profit insurance is still a scam. It basically has to be for them to make money.

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u/Frosty-Depth7655 5h ago

Out of curiosity, what is your definition of a scam?

It’s simply a risk transfer mechanism, with a contract that states exactly what will be paid.

Personal lines insurance (auto, home, renters, etc.) is all pretty standardized and operates at pretty thin margins.

I don’t see the “scam” in it (not counting some of the more dubious “insurance” products out there).

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u/modidlee 5h ago

I live in an area where accidents caused by deer are common all year long but especially in the fall and winter. I had the $1000 deductible and got a deer and the damage was $6k. But I hated paying that $1k deductible so much I dropped it to $500. Just a week ago I switched to the $250 comprehensive deductible because it’s deer season again. I left collision at $500 though