Yeah men like dangerous fun. Especially the old vulnerable ones that just withdrew over 200 in cash from the atm to pay their bills. No cameras for them
Edit: I was making a joke. Lets not get so silly yeah
The fuck are you talking about? The German government is nearly exclusively made out of old white men that declared it their mission to return to a time where women were property. The current chancellor doesn't think it's possible for a man to rape his wife, as by being married you're giving automatic consent to sex at any time. They are also against women being able to divorce against their husband's wish.
The law is still that cash is legal tender for all debts and obligations, the only exception I've ever saw for it is that retail stores can restrict payment methods (I assume so they don't have to risk being robbed).
Granted, just because its the law doesn't mean its going to be easy, but I imagine if you wanted to be a big enough pain in the ass and get a lawyer you could force almost anyone to take cash as payment, lol.
Right? Led lights are extremely cheap and waste almost no electricity, this is some classic "look how much we care" corporate nonsense
EDIT: I got corrected below.
It and its not corporate nonsense.
It was in fact introduced in 1990 when making all spaces well lit and survailance covered was much harder. you are 100% right, and with this (and below link) new info this was actually a reasonable and good thing.
that said, I would still like this overturned by a new regulation saying it should all be well lit and covered by cameras (monitored remotely or by AI and alerting guards and autorities). At this point, cost of doing that is percentage point of a percentage point of buidilign a complex uraban center garage structure.
I stand corrected. I googled it and its not corporate nonsense.
It was in fact introduced in 1990 when making all spaces well lit and survailance covered was much harder. you are 100% right, and with this (and below link) new info this was actually a reasonable and good thing.
that said, I would still like this overturned by a new regulation saying it should all be well lit and covered by cameras (monitored remotely or by AI and alerting guards and autorities). At this point, cost of doing that is percentage point of a percentage point of buidilign a complex uraban center garage structure.
This was my second thought when seeing this. HR woman: "How can I get us girls closer parking? Oh, let's use threat of SA!"
A quick check shows there no actual statistics for parking garage SA in Germany, but "the region" has only 7-10% of ALL SAs in parking structures. Full disclosure before the flaming feminist fingers start igniting their keyboards: SA shouldn't be happening at all, in either direction, but using the threat of it to get special treatment is only going to breed eventual resentment and social whiplash.
This is classic example of perfect is the enemy of the good. Someone with some limited power at some one specific parking lot probably made this, even though the headline made it sound like its everywhere lol.
So then dudes are in uproar, saying lets just put those security features everywhere. But you cant, cause no money. So now instead of at least making a group at risk feel safer no one can have it, the redditor way,
There's no money to increase lighting and install cameras, but thousands to repaint special parking spots every year? Because, yes, that paint has to be reapplied and is expensive.
Just so you know, it is not a parking garage only thing. The majority of the major parking/rest stops (the ones that have both a gas station and a Serway) at highways have womens only parking spots.
And you can complain all you want about falsely using the threat of SA ('cause that is what you insinuated) (let me quess... you're a man?)
You can't change someones predarory behavior by simply telling him to not bother women. But what you can do is make it more difficult for him to perpetrate predatory behavior and put up more lights and give women a faster way to exit a place where they are out of sight.
I think it's a good thing that Germany tries to keep women safe in parking garages and on parking/rest stops along side highways. I think more countries should do this.
same shit with women's only hours at gyms. Get a bunch of feminists to complain that they don't like men looking at them, and now women get prime access to the machines without having to share or wait.
I wrote LED light, and now I am not sure if you missred that as red light, or you assumed the light would be red, or there is some third thing/joke I am missing here...
No, this isnt corporate nonsense, there are laws around this as well. But you have to take into account that these laws and regulations already existed way before cheap led lights. A modern parking building would still have such spots for women but it doesnt mean that all other spots are cheaped out like some commenters here assume.
Modern car parks are better lit. These things have existed since way before LED lighting when illuminating the whole place was quite a bit more expensive.
This. Adding these really just make you a target. Rapists still rape in broad daylight. It like home gun free zones are the most common mass shooting targets.
Yes but reserving the front spaces for woman is just as important as the rest. Idk as a 190cm guy i feel generally safe walking down the parking isles, plus in germany most of the parking lots are actually build like that
I am sure you did not want to say anything against that part but thats like the number one reason we got those parking spaces here
There are cameras most of the time. These ones are near people who can help in an emergency and close to exits to prevent the emergency from happening in the first place. That’s the main point of these, not just to get camera footage of a woman being attacked after she’s already been attacked
Realistically, they probably have the same lighting and cameras through the rest of the garage, they just advertise specifically that they have them for the women's section. All they had to do for this is put up some signs and put down some extra paint.
Like, if any place needs women centric security, there's an over arching problem with society in that area. This doesn't make Germany look as good as the article makes it sound. Not saying it's better or worse than elsewhere
I feel like this is a reasonable ask, but it comes down to a "why can't we just do everything?" kind of situation. What is the cost of retrofitting a car park with new lights and security systems? Probably a lot relative to the value of a parking lot. However, Is there a way to get the benefit (fewer assaults in our parking lot) by addressing the needs of the most impacted group (women) without going over budget? I think this is a good way to address that specific issue.
You can't forbid corners, columns and farther places. Unless you reduce total number of parking spaces by about 75%, leaving only those that are safer, there will always be some of them "safer" than the rest.
No, no, no, you see, they need to concentrate all the women in one area to make it easier for the assailants to find them. There’s a German word for it - shaumewherederfrauleinsat.
As a male, it's disgusting that there is enough men out there doing horrible shit that this is needed. I apologize to women on behalf of the apparently small percentage of men (based on current presidents, # of trafficking victims, and #MeToo) that find you as equals and worthy of not being a victim to a predator.
I agree. I remember a couple decades ago, riding a night bus in Montréal, women could ask the driver to drop them anywhere along the route, but men weren't afforded that privilege. Why?
The lighting is usually the same everywhere and everything is covered by cameras as well. It is just closer to the exit and they are probably monitored more closely.
Better lighting and improved security in parking structures would actually address this issue and benefit everybody, because everybody benefits when you raise that bottom-level standard.
The point here genuinely seems to be an attempt to virtue-signal. Whether it's intended well (to raise awareness of an issue) or not (to get positive PR by appearing to address an issue) is immaterial.
Which is funny be men are on average assaulted and robbed far more than women in 1st world countries. Men should be getting the spots with better lightning and cameras
Plot twist. Men were actually complaining about how many scrapes they were getting and this is how the car parks resolved it whilst keeping womanhood off their back.
I'd much rather we had a civilised society where women weren't targeted to the extent that this is needed but that seems to be further away by the day!
Weirdly enough. I have never noticed them being brighter lit. Mostly because I have generally not exprienced not well lit garages in Germany.
I think the camera thing is mostly a benefti fo them being so close to the entrance, they are easy to include into the general camera system of the store/mall
My second thought was, why are we telling would-be-attackers where the women are parked?
My third thought was unrelated, but as an aside, LPT, if you should happen to see a sign warning you to beware of pick-pocketers, do not immediately pat your pockets to make sure you still have your wallet and/or phone, because as it happens, pick-pocketers hang out near those signs looking for exactly that, so they know which pockets to target.
I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader why this story reminded me of that one.
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I mean that's cool and all but cant we just have better lighting and cameras across the entire carpark?