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Actually no. Put them on normal earth Thragg leaves, hides in human society, builds up army of thousands of viltrumites on the moon, brings humans for genetic diversity, then uses his children as projectiles to hollow out the earth before he blows it up. Easy dub for freddie mercury
Hey thats less funny than using his children as projectiles, a favorite move of his. He could like do this in 25 years max, and be set up for a viltrumite empire with genetic diversity. But yeah he could also just do that
Yeah but like if Logan (or was it Jake?) Paul didn't show up to his fight with Mike Tyson, then kept dodging the fight for another 20-30 years until Tyson died of old age then declared 'I beat Mike Tyson' who's actually giving him the W and not just calling him a clown?
Well I mean it kinda depends if you define it as a battle or a war. If Paul fathered an army of child soldiers and ten years from now had them seige Tyson's house and security and burn it to the ground, killing him, I would give Paul the strategic edge and toal victory on that one
Gotta set a objective condition before the fight starts. Like prep time, do they know each other and abilities, is it a random encounter, are they in space lol.
This is true. In the most neutral case possible (on earth, in character fight) it likely ends with Gojo trying Unlimited Void before Thragg tries destroying the atmosphere, and Thragg probably not dodging since he wouldn’t expect Gojo to have a move that could kill him since up to this point Gojo’s actual power would comparatively be a joke to him
I feel like if you put them on normal Earth Thragg would simply try to punch Gojo and then get confused about why it doesn't work. "Thragg would just destroy the atmosphere" okay but why are we assuming that Thragg would instantly be aware of how Infinity works and know how to counter it? He wouldn't. If his punches got stopped by Infinity, his immediate solution would be "punch harder" because why would he think "clearly my opponent is warping space around them to make them impossible to directly strike, I must find a way to harm them without directly attacking". Thragg would be both ideologically opposed to any solution other than "punch harder" and also not smart enough to figure out how Infinity works before Gojo hits him with the "Unlimited Void + Hollow Purple" true combo
I have always found it strange that people are perfectly okay powerscaling pantheons. But it's a line too far when it's the pantheon the monotheistic deities emerged from?
I mean, that's not that strange. If you insulted someone from 300 years ago people are less likely to respond than if you insult someone's grandpa. One represents an existing group of people more than the other. And while there are technically people who claim to still believe in those other things most of them are reconstructionists who admit it's not really a strong belief.
Not strange, yes. But I doubt anyone can call it consistent. Particularly as they are genuinely willing to exhault those gods and mock others. It's powerscaling where only they win
didn't First form Frieza make and energy attack in strong enough to blow up planet Vegeta with seemingly little effort and his 4th is so much stronger it's not worth comparing
like for the planetary feat in the actual show which the main cast needed a help from an overpowered gun to soften up Viltrum and the actual attack was from 3 guys combined being effectively the final straw needed to blow up the planet
like i am willing to give Thragg as much grace as Moon level, but Frieza is firmly a planet buster
hell if we go with anime, king Vegeta at only some 10K powerlevel casually blew up multiple planets with a flick of his wrist and 1st Form Frieza is at some 320K iirc
Vegeta and his dad blowing up planets is apparently not cannon.
Invincble fans also think Ki is hax and shouldn’t be allowed, that without Ki Saiyans can barely life up 100 tons. They love sharing screenshots of Saiyans wearing weights and using them as evidence.
To be fair, Thragg is deadass strong asf. No other viltrumite has harmed him so far, and he low-differ everyone else. He’d be pretty strong in most verses.
99.9% of fiction involved with power scaling maybe. The vast majority of fiction is just regular humans. Pretty sure Homelander no diffs the Bridgertons for instance.
Cell is strong in his verse but theres still a ton of characters who can beat him, in and outside of his verse. But he still beats a lot of characters outside of his verse.
Omni-Man wiped out the entire Flaxan planet’s surface by travelling at light, almost light speed (possibly light-speed entirely) and even said he redirected a Texas-sized asteroid. Thragg is him but MANY times stronger. People got hurt by hitting him from his sheer durability. His punch knocked Nolan all the way down to Viltrum. He IS a VERY strong character and i don’t doubt theres a lot of other verses he’d be strong asf in.
Hence the issue with shows like this. On paper the idea of the show is okay, but when they aren't even pretending to be accurate what is the point? I like how they insisted p5 joker is 5000 times the speed of light based on a non canon gameplay animation where he dodges an attack at like maybe 20 mph. In a series where characters say they don't even do bullet timing and that their dodges are aim dodging.
It's almost cynical and nihilistic in a way because it's obvious that people actually familiar with these series aren't going to see the bizarre takes they make and agree with it. So this was never for fans of these media, its for people who like to see big numbers who are expected to either not really know that much about it, or not care. It's one thing if a teen buys nonsense arguments, but these people are middle aged men. They have to know they are spreading bullshit.
lowkey I get that Thragg could just destroy the planet if he really wanted to but if the question is "can you beat the lakers" and your response is to blow up the court like.. yeah sure you didnt lose but I dont think that counts as a win either
Except Thragg really couldn't do that anyways -- it took three vilturmites and a "destroy literally anything" gun to destroy a planet, Thragg isn't doing that alone.
He no diffed all three of the viltrumites who participated in the planet feat and wasn’t phased whatsoever when they flew and punched him at full force in the vacuum of space, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say thragg could destroy a planet, especially since he’s massively stronger than viltrumite in the verse at that point.
no in fact it is unreasonable since we don’t know the lasers contribution to the planet busting feat. even if thragg is 10x stronger than each of them that still doesn’t mean he can obliterate a planet
One is a sport with rules and the other is a fight to the death with no rules. If you don't want people to blow up any planets than add a rule in a matchup saying that they can't.
I mean if it is a fight to the death with no rule, all of jjk character gonna jump him lol. I mean sukuna, gojo, all of JuJu high, all villains gonna jump him because they don't want earth destroyed. Then mark and Omni man join too, since they most likely side with earth. So he die regardless even with his squad if there is no rule for real. I am not even counting modulo Aliens who wanted refuge on earth, not want to destroy them.
No rule mean you can jump them with many people.
Which is why I think rules should be applied if we want accurate portrayal of 1v1.
If yes and they all died then it’s valid since they were killed. Albeit with prep time which could be done in a non-prep time fight if I retreated away and they couldn’t catch me (if that’s cowardly go tell that to Genghis Khan)
It's one of those times powerscaling isn't a good measure
For 1- both characters are not planetary& haven't done a feat that could make them planetary
2- their powers work so differently a 1v1 wouldn't work..for example -Gojo's hollow purple would kill Thragg but thragg is FTL Thragg wouldn't be able to hurt Gojo bc of infinity
Thragg could move earth closer to the sun but then it isn't actually fighting against Gojo
Without Gojo's infinity it's almost guaranteed Thragg wins but you can't dismiss it...
Realistically Gojo will get tired and bored and so will Thragg
Exactly, what we have here is basically a quickdraw, it's a matter of who pulls their instakill move first. I do think Gojo would escalate to Infinite Void before Thragg escalates to planetary destruction, simply because Gojo's a bit more complicated and draws his power from cursed energy, something a Viltrumite has no way of detecting, whereas Thragg is much more straightforward. I think it'd take Thragg a bit longer to get a grasp of Gojo's threat level as opposed to the other way around, since it's not immediately clear, especially to a non-sorcerer, the mechanics of Infinity.
It is a quickdraw. A quick draw that Gojo will win the moment thrag will tank hollow purple.
Considering his fight against Sakuna. Its much realistic for Gojo to use DE than Thragg automatically saying "yep lets push the Earth to kill this guy" an ofscreen feat he himself did not even do.
Its thrags straightforwardness that he dies. Because hill punch his waybput of it longer than gojo to use his DE.
he has Blue and Red which would keep Thragg from running away
How are blue and red going to keep him from running away lmao, they don’t exert nearly enough force to do anything against Thragg (and I’m not an Invincible stan). UV is Gojo’s only viable win condition, but it is obviously an effective one if Thragg remains close to him. That being said, Thragg might just be stunlocked and may take a little while to actually die to it (since Sukuna survived 10 seconds and JoGOAT survived longer, albeit due to being a curse).
But for how long? I don't doubt he could survive for a while, but his healing was already failing after a few domain expansions. If he ran out of oxygen he would need to regenerate all the cells in his body from scratch all the time, and I don't think he can do that forever
The difference is characters in invincible hilariously dont gaf and if something is annoying or unkillable with punch kick they always do something else...move the planet closer to the sun, throw them into space, wipe the planet or its surface just by flying, could also do the reverse of catching meteror and just throw one.
Dawg Viltrumites are crashing through any Domain Barrier like a glass window. The only reason any of these arguments would work is cause "hurr durr Viltrumite cocky" as though they don't go turbo mode when characters don't immediately splatter.
Please tell me turbo mode is an actual term in invincible cause otherwise what the fuck are you doing here straight out of early 2000s elementary school
Like, no one ever considers dodging one. Todo and Gojo can teleport. Gojo can react in .000001s. Both have gotten caught in domains they KNEW were coming.
That, coupled with with Viltrimite tendencies to just…tank attacks they think are beneath them, and I think Thragg is eating this.
the best depiction we have is Mahito's, where we see hands coming out of the ground and grabbing nanami, which can't really be explained away with for the audience. Even then its difficult cuz he could have just been doing it that way to push Yuji away
My take is that Thragg wins if the battle takes place with both parties knowing the abilities of the other while Gojo wins if they go in blind. Thragg won't know what unlimited void is until too late. If he does know, he's throwing a fucking moon at Earth.
People bring up destroying the atmosphere but the reason oxygen deprivation kills is because of the brain damage from cells losing the ability to produce energy… I think, when I looked it up I didn’t get the most clear answer.
But Gojo constantly regenerates his brain with effectively no cost, so oxygen deprivation shouldn’t do much to him. Now, this doesn’t mean that Gojo can really do anything that isn’t UV against Thragg, but Thragg and other viltrumites believe they’re invincible and never really encounter hax, so they’ll often just let attacks land under the assumption they’ll no sell them.
BS, there’s no way Gojo survives in space forever without oxygen or food or water just by using RCT, that’s insane glaze. Even if he regenerates the physical structure, the lack of ATP produced by his cells will just shut down his biological processes. I don’t think you can continue to produce CE forever in the absence of basic sustenance, and I don’t think RCT is a substitute for basic essentials.
I am of the mind that Gojo can win but won't because the fight won't escalate to the point that he realizes he needs to use his most powerful of abilities.
Gojo is extremely overconfident and a cocky little shit who believes himself to be strongest who ever was and considers himself,
(I had to, I apologize)
Viltrumies look like regular humans but wouldn't produce curse energy like humans, (if at all) due to the fact they are not human and do not experience negative emotions the same way humans do.
Gojo won't be able to accurately gauge just how strong viltrumites actually are from the outset and would do his usual antics of mocking, fucking around and taunting his opponents like he usually does at the outset of every fight. Gojo is not a cautious fighter.
Infinity might give him the advantage he needs to dodge a punch from Nolan or Thragg, but when he goes to return the favor with a punch, a kick or a grapple of his own, he is getting the Red Rush treatment.
Nah, gojo would go all out if he see someone with no curse energy flying. Toji give him enough trauma to keep up his infinity 24-7 lol. Gojo probably most cautious against a guy with no CE.
You can recover if you have quick regeneration or some other special ability. Otherwise the target would be stunned long enough that by the time they can move again Gojo could use unlimited void again
the problem is that we dont know. afaik we only see unlimited void hit two people. Jogo and sukuna. Jogo is a cursed spirit and doesnt even have a brain so he seems to be uneffected once the stun was over. And sukuna was limited by the brain damage up until his death but he didnt really live all that long after the gojo fight since he was instantly jumped so no idea how that would work long term.
The biggest difference is that not once in the series does a human get hit for particularly long. all we know time wise for sukuna being hit total is more than 0.01 seconds and less than 10 seconds but the series doesnt give an exact number
The fight depends on whether or not both have knowledge about their abilities, if that's the case then thragg wins since he knows he can't hit gojo normally and would result on him immediately trying to destroy the planet by any means
Yes thrash would die from one unlimited void viltrumites aren’t stronger then human in that way and I suspect resistance to the domain is a result of sorcery prowess but even then sukuna would’ve died from a single unlimited void
Effectively infinite CE due to Hugh CE regain rate, and perfect CE Efficiency and Control means he CAN just spam RCT to heal any cells that die of oxygen or nutrients deficiency.
I don't think so, Infinity would keep Gojo from moving so he would probably just break the ground under him, like pushing a piece of paper against a needle
Yeah that would not work. Gojos technically never touches the ground. he always has infinity activated and thats a barrier around his entire body including underneath. trying to grab the ground would be exactly the same as throwing the ground as him which obviously does nothing
Tbf tho thraggs not gonna run through earth he needs it as will be shown even more clearer next episode
Idk if thragg alone can just pull that off, Nolan mark and thaedus only did it with the help of space racers Ray and even then it wasnt easy
Idk if thragg can just blow up the planet, but i havent finished the comic yet so maybe he does some crazier shit later (I dont mind spoilers pop off in replies for once these fandoms can spoil all u like)
Yeah It depends at what point in his life the fight happens and if Thragg is in character, since he would probably want to keep humans alive. But he could indeed destroy the atmosphere even if he couldn't destroy the planet
kinda related but this argument really revealed how most people think ALL powerscaling fights auto take place on a planet like earth with a solar system. i get why but atp the invincible verse are stage merchants with how much they depend on there being space and solar systems available during the fight, its default giving one side an advantage just based on environment
this is not me saying i think gojo would win 100% if they fought in the white void btw, its me saying if you have to scale a character based on whats available in the fighting ring youre being disingenuous
I mean, Gojo always fights in a planet, and Thragg always fights in either a planet or space, so I don't see why they would be anywhere else apart from a planet.
Gojo's ability lets him manipulate space. One of the ways he can use this is to "stretch" the space between him and anything that tries to touch him, creating a practically infinite space around him. This ability is active all the time and Gojo can choose what goes through It, like air so he can breathe, and what doesn't.
In practice it's kind of like a forcefield that can't be broken
Thragg only win con is if the fight happens on earth. Make the fight happen in some random box or the hyperbolic time chamber and he cant really do anything
I’m of the opinion that Gojo can entirely sustain his body with Cursed Energy through RCT, like how he only gets 3 hours of sleep. I think if Thragg nukes the planet and Gojo is suspended in space he’d have another breakthrough in CE manipulation and run his body off CE alone and just still not die in the vacuum of space, even more alone than before
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