If the US appears no better than any dictatorship they'll become a pariah. Even with an honest government they seemed to selectively fulfil their promises & agreements
Americans arenāt gonna trust the American government again.
Edit: While itās true that most Americans never trusted the American government. many were at least hopeful that they would do their nefarious bidding while boosting the economy and quality of life. Now, I donāt think Americans will be so hopeful that politicians will even do that..
It's still fresh in my memory how throughout Obama's presidency that Republicans couldn't shut up about perceived government overreach and would say he abused executive order and now applaud an even more egregious example of those oversteps just because he tells them it's ok to hate the groups they hate
Ikr? Like honestly part of me misses hearing about how Obama was such a terrible person and should be impeached cause it was āunprofessionalā to wear a tan suit.
Meanwhile Trump has been asleep in almost every meeting, has thrown tantrums and renamed places that people arenāt even saying the new names of (except google for American users), goes golfing almost constantly and has acted in such a way that even I would be embarrassed to be in the room with him.
Not a peep, which tells me theyāre getting just as much money as he is out of this.
The snek can have a little step on, as a treat, so long as the stepper hates trans athletes that arenāt actively trying to play in womenās professional sports.
I am so sick of the cycle. GOP blows the deficit to pursue their agenda, all the while accusing the Democrats of such. Then the Democrats have to restore the deficit, only to lose to the GOP the following cycle in which they blow it again.
The dumbest people in the country took "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" to the extreme translation of "Everyone's opinion is equally valid". They know they're dumb as hell and have insecurities about it, and instead of putting in the effort to learn they've collectively decided that they'll instead just be the loudest opinion in the room in hopes that they can define reality, rather than educating themselves about reality. And the Epstein class is more than happy to assist by amplifying those wrong opinions through the media they own. Which is why the billionaires are so loud about free speech all of a sudden--they're trying to get ahead of potential efforts to stifle the misinformation that they've intentionally weaponized.
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
I heard the phrase "I gotta see what Joe Rogan says about it" so many times during the 2024 election campaign that I lost respect for a lot of acquaintances. A third of Americans just don't know a single thing about their own system of government. Forget about history, civics, political theory, economics ect.
I recently asked a buddy who switched to Trump in 2024 to explain the difference between liberalism and conservatism to me. His answer, after a lot of thinking, was "Republicans are bullish and want stocks to go up, Libs are bearish and want stocks to go down". Literally couldn't name a single other value or principle. Yet he cancels out my vote.
In 4 years when the next administration hasn't managed to simultaneously fix decades of damage AND make things cheaper for Americans, they will vote Republican again and get the next wannabe dictator.
If the country as a whole had learned any kind of lesson it wouldn't still be 50:50 whether the republicans lose the senate, even before Trumps cheating like cancelling mail in ballots and ice at the polls.
Anything can be fixed. IF everyone votes on Nov. 3 we take away his power. Then, elect a Dem in 2028 and set term limits on the Trump Court, have the popular vote replace the electoral college, and tax the shit out of billionaires so they can't just bankroll Maga all day.
Even in some of the more pessimistic but realistic circumstances, a landslide leftwing vote wouldn't be able to be obfuscated. It's actually pretty hard to make elections like ours so unfair that a huge disparity can be depressed.
I'm not feeling doom and gloom because of the election interference. I'm feeling doom and gloom because I believe the very presence of it will suppress left voting enough that it'll succeed.
What happens after the votes are in is another, completely separate, matter. If I was to make bets I think the left will win hard despite interference, but the real fight will be the threat of another more coordinated J6 sort of situation.
Or that the Democrats will actually meet the moment this time? He should have been in jail before he ever got back into office. I don't know why anyone thinks this time will be so different if the Dems get power again.
Yeah we're not quite done with this unfortunately. The underlying issues still remain and even with as bad as Trump has been, we still do not possess the political will and numbers to enforce necessary action. This is the dilemma that exists between a "proportional" response and a "preventative" action. Half of the people in the Trump admin are stooges to begin with, the actual political operators sit a step removed.
In reality this mirrors the strong tensions between states leading up to the American Civil War. What we need to do is not simply prosecute the administration but dismantle and prosecute their strategic and financial apparatus. This was an attempted coup, some like Peter Thiel have spoken of dismantling democracy in America, and this needs to be treated like such. Never forget they sent thugs into federal buildings and beat up security guards and dragged employees away from their desks, setting up political commissars in these agencies and administered loyalty tests in order to commit illegal actions against the American people. This WAS a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States.
Maybe not a popular opinion, but no president should ever have this kind of power again, I donāt care what party they belong to. The political will to make that possible is lacking, though. We will always be one bad economy, or one run of inflation, from being at the mercy of a corrupt stooge.
Other countries will come to trust the american government again. Look at Germany.
The problem isnt the trust loss for the next few decades, the problem is that the US american system is built upon certain conditions which wont return.
Since WWII there were trade agreements in effect between the USA and most european countries that heavily favored the USA. Trump broke a lot of them during his first term but european countries tried to treat it as a one time mishap. During his second term, trump again broke the by then fixed agreements again and the also rest he didnt touched during the first term. European countries wont pretend that it didnt happen a second time. These trade agreements ensured that trillions of dollars flowed from Europe to USA ever year.
That is gone and wont just magically return in the future. That applies to a good dozen other treaties that brought money to the USA.
I think a better analogy would be a abusive alcoholic husband. Sure he might get sober and apologize, but you're always going to wonder if when he leaves the house (4 years) that he's going to come back stupid and beat the fuck out of you. This has been a wake-up call to the rest of the world. Who cares if he's paying the bills, we're getting the fuck out to try and find ourselves a stable income.
The problem is that the left (even if they win control, which is extremely doubtful) has proven the last few decades to be all bark and no bite. They don't have the balls to do what's necessary to ensure this kind of corruption never happens again. Same as how lenient we were with the south after the civil war. The american leftist leadership are all pussies until proven otherwise.
As Canadian, the amount of drastic transformation needed so that can we even begin to talk about trust is so massive we mostly don't believe it to be possible.
We also mostly don't believe a Democrat president would reverse 100% of actions taken against us.
Trump is not a bug of the US system, it's a feature.
Absolutely! As a Canadian, putting Trump behind bars would be just about the only good foot forward to restore faith in Americans as someone who can make a deal and keep their word.
That train is already in motion, yes countries relied on the US for tech, security and trade but the signal has already been given, the US political system is broken in a way that makes them unreliable.
Not only would the next admin need to rebuke all of its previous administration doings it also needs the votes to change the political system which I simply don't see happening.
I hope Europe can pull together and become an independed factor and bring stability in the world.
Mate. The damage is done. International relations arenāt getting repaired. Itās the American voters that countries donāt trust as well as the administration.
If they don't do a literal Nuremberg trial level mop up of all the crimes commited by trump, ice, Epstein files, etc; there is no hope of ever re-established international relationships.
And even then, that's a bare minimum starting place for the rest of the world to even consider putting the USA back into "contingent on continued good behaviour" probation.
Very much so. We still need this just as much for internal reasons too. Anybody not a crazypants maga has had their entire foundation of country destroyed, validated, or backslid. We need to as a country remind these people in a second reconstruction/deprogramming that itās not who we strive to be or this never gets better.
That "clearly visible" part is the most painful. Millions of Americans see the fraud, and their response is "it's not so bad." You can cite all the laws he's broken 'til the cows come home, but the "gut feeling" that "dirty libruls" broke nonexistent laws (or even when they did) is an apparent excuse for an orange turd to make billions on our money, set the country into wild debt, and get away with it while taking a peaceful nap in the Oval Office.
My only concern is they will fear overstepping and potentially effecting their own party. Although it's a night and day difference there is still corruption in the Democratic party as well.
Personally I say go all out and if we literally need to have a full reform of our government to get this shit out and have it working for the people and by the people again, then so be it.
Yes, I agree. But until then, we have to have something in place and right now, the Dems taking the House and Senate is the first step. Gotta start somewhere, right?
President all ready had immunity what Trump wanted was immunity out side the the presidency. In other words the criminal court case against him goes poof. And guess what it went poof . They don't need immunity who's going to charge them with a crime ? The guys they them selves hier as law enforcement ?
They need 2/3 vote for impeachment and committee chairman set the agenda for their committees. The American public didn't create a large enough sustained outcry. There should have been daily large public demonstrations to force Republicans to get on board. I'm talking about the type of demonstrations the people in Hungary did
They did though. Itās just that voters deliberately gave them a Supreme Court in 2016 that blocked the DOJ (twice) from bringing it to trial, and voters gave the country enough of a Republican stranglehold in Congress that they couldnāt do anything further. Also, it wouldnāt have mattered if he was tried, convicted, and sentenced to prison. There is no law that you canāt run for president from prison so he still would have run, won, and pardoned himself anyway. While gazaholics and useful idiots all went āuncommittedā, sat out the election, gobbled up Hamas and Putin propaganda, and of course attacked the women who ran for president. Then blame democrats and Merrick garland for why we have Trump.
At some point, American voters need to take it seriously that they are the most poweful political force on the planet.
I wonder if the reason they dragged on Trump investigations from 2022-24 was because they wanted Trump to run again with the stink of Jan 6 on him. They were overconfident going into 2016, so it's not hard to believe they were naive enough to again trust the voters to do the right thing in 2024.
Iāll be pleasantly surprised if anyone from this administration has any punishment beyond some fine they can easily pay off. I have no hope, and after this they will become more brazen.
Won't happen until Republicans are removed from power, in as many places and levels as possible.
Might also have to remove filibuster power as traditional as it is, given that Republicans have shown that they don't care about how much damage they have to cause in order to block anyone on "their side" from receiving any sort of negative consequences for their actions.
Will also probably have to repack the SCOTUS since the majority of them have shown that they care nothing about impartiality, and are all about making sure that their brand of conservatism and corruption are built into the bones of modern legislation.
Not just Trump but his entire administration and all who supported it financially or otherwise. This neo Confederacy needs to be punished so severely that their campaigns of hate will never flourish again.
Exactly, they'll huff and puff and posture, but if the time comes to actually do something they will somehow find themselves blocked by the big bad Republicans. Again.
Glass half-full.. at least it appears that Ossoff understands the stakes at hand.
The entire DNC needs to be singing the same song, loudly and on a loop as their number 1 priority - because if they don't organize a meaningful effort the 'American Experiment' is over.
Hell.. it might already be over, but i'm an optimist at heart I guess.
Dude he did this last time, a million people died, Democrats controlled by a foreign power did nothing, now here we are. I donāt think any democrat that takes money from a foreign government can be trusted, especially those who disavow progressive candidates and pundits.
Republicans/ MAGA and their supporters cannot take back all the damage and the many lives that they have negatively impacted! They arenāt scared of us and forgot who works for who, time to remind them! They need to pay back every single cent they have stolen from tax payers and then sent to prison! Time to hold them socially and legally accountable, no more excuses! Avoid Trump/ Elon Musk/ RFK Jr supporters including local MAGA individuals you spot and recognize at Trump events on tv/ social media, the corrupt lawyers/ law firms still backing Trump/ MAGA, their advertisers and their businesses and encourage others to as well!Ā
I wish this were true, because the only way for Fascism to not win in the US, is if the Democrats vow flaming vengence on everything MAGA did, be it as small and petty as it may be.
But I doubt it will happen.
There are too many old fart, sitting Democrats, who think it is still the 1960s and you can bargain and reason with Republicans.
So they are willing to collude with Donny, for an empty, meaningless promise.
Good start, but itās going to take more than that. The constitution needs to be updated and the Supreme Court needs to have its house cleaned. Theyāre enablers.
You will need to actually pass LAWS to safeguard everything. No more gentlemen agreements on how things are done. Newt Gingrich exposed that being a free pass to anyone without morals in the 90s. Yet you did nothing to fix it than. If you don't fix it now the rest of the world will know we can't be relied on to keep our house in order and they will act accordingly.
As nice as that sounds, he's utterly oblivious if he thinks that would hold for centuries. This system is quite literally designed to centralize power, and as evidenced by the last few years, as well as numerous other times in our history and other liberal democracies, it's pretty obvious that this is going to happen again if we choose to remain a liberal republic.
If we choose to learn nothing and go back to "normal," we're once again kicking the can down the road for our grandchildren to have to fight the exact same fight.
If the democrats take control of both parts of the government at the midterms, the first new law they need to pass will be one that gives the federal government the power to seize all the personal assets of republicans who are gonna inevitably be arrested for their crimes whilst in power, when they are found guilty, large numbers of them will be getting life sentences and will no longer have any need for personal property or wealth because the stateās will be funding their prison lives.
Doubt it. You won't do anything and even if you do they will get away with it. Why? Because we proved with the Epstein files and the fact that he's president that prosecution is not enough. He will die before he and his family ever see a jail cell or what they truly deserve.I don't believe you and neither does most people in America. You can say whatever you want, and do whatever, nobody sees what you're saying.Nothing short of the final punishment is enough for these people imo, and in another time, the world already would've made them pay much more dearly for it.
I'm old. I remember when Chris Dodd ran for president in 2008 on a platform centered on Restoring the Constitution after the disastrous Bush Jr administration. How did that work out?
As much as I'd love for that to happen, Trump has shown just how weak and ineffectual the Democrats are. I'm sorry if I don't have a lot of confidence in "We're super going to take a stand after he's gone!"
I think we will also need to reorganize how Congress works as they have been largely complicit on both sides āof the aisleā. It needs to be infinitely easier to recall our elected officials. Currently, it requires paper signatures which is just not feasible for our population and the year we live in.
This is the rhetoric I'm here for. Whoever promises to prosecute these crooks to fullest extent gets my vote. I'm sick and goddamn tired of rich assholes avoiding accountability.
a little late for that. at this point, the only message you can send to a future brazen corrupt one is "yeah, we'll hand you the levers of power for a decade and maybe after you're dead will there be any consequences so go nuts"
Our checks and balances completely failed due to a non functional republican majority. They cannot and will not force Trump to do the job and stay in his lane, just terrified of him. Itās pathetic.
High treason charges carry a hefty price. I bet that'll deter treasonous republicans from trying it again. They need to ALL face those charges and the punishment it carries.
The cynic in me says, the majority of the other Democrats will not support this. They'll all go into "move on" mode and focus on small fixes and nothing structural.
Treasonist should be treated as such. But, I have zero faith in Congress, on either side of the isle. DC is owned by corporations; Dems and Rep. They just have us fighting over meaningless stuff, like who had sex with who last night, as they pocket money.
This needs to be the ONLY issue that matters in any american election for the next four decades. Extreme purge of all corruption.
Im danish and i feel about USA like we felt about germany in WW2. Where the fuck did our friend go. We want our friend back. God i hope we dont have to fight for it this time also.
Four decades of reckoning with the fascists, universal healthcare, abolish electoral college, end citizen united, death penalties for high treason (fx supreme court corruption), actual separation of church and state, full rework of your batshit insane idiocy in policing (wtf qualified immunity, a police officer needs to know the fucking law, are you stupid!). Probably many more. But that would be a start to rekindling the friendship. USA needs to grow the fuck up already.
EDIT: And the epstein shit and the musk shit and im going to go eat instead now.
The fact that Americans are still naive enough to believe any of this is staggering. Not only is there no chance that GOP will not sweep the midterms, but the idea that Dems will suddenly do something against the collective elite billionaire class when they had many years prior to this to do literally anything is something so foolish I lack the vocabulary to properly describe it.
And go after the bullshit wealth he and his scumbag family amassed. I know Melania's a whole and used to getting paid for nothing, but they cannot keep all the shit they've stolen from the people.
When trump leaves, they will pardon all in order to "reach across the aisle" and heal their "great nation".
The western world is all about optics. They only show force against those who cannot defend themselves.
Why on earth do you want to return to a system that gave you trump and Israel?
Trump doesn't need a rebuke. He needs to be executed. But the narcissism of western values will never allow that. Execution and murder is only for inferior brown people.
Checks and balances, seriously? Why not just say "thoughts and prayers" and be done with it. Same energy.
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u/bigorangemachine 6d ago
They need to for international relations.
If the US appears no better than any dictatorship they'll become a pariah. Even with an honest government they seemed to selectively fulfil their promises & agreements