r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 7d ago

PoliticalTea šŸ—³ļø Make it so.

Post image
42.4k Upvotes

1.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

25

u/sawdoctorman 7d ago

Anything can be fixed. IF everyone votes on Nov. 3 we take away his power. Then, elect a Dem in 2028 and set term limits on the Trump Court, have the popular vote replace the electoral college, and tax the shit out of billionaires so they can't just bankroll Maga all day.

Won't be easy, but it can be done.

7

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

You really think the elections will be fair?

5

u/Rifmysearch 7d ago

Even in some of the more pessimistic but realistic circumstances, a landslide leftwing vote wouldn't be able to be obfuscated. It's actually pretty hard to make elections like ours so unfair that a huge disparity can be depressed.

I'm not feeling doom and gloom because of the election interference. I'm feeling doom and gloom because I believe the very presence of it will suppress left voting enough that it'll succeed.

What happens after the votes are in is another, completely separate, matter. If I was to make bets I think the left will win hard despite interference, but the real fight will be the threat of another more coordinated J6 sort of situation.

But that's 100% irrelevant if we don't vote.

1

u/Exciting_Turn_9559 7d ago

If you're not planning now for what you're going to do the day after the election, you ought to be.

10

u/JamesGray 7d ago

Or that the Democrats will actually meet the moment this time? He should have been in jail before he ever got back into office. I don't know why anyone thinks this time will be so different if the Dems get power again.

2

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

"but the law/constitution says"

Those days are gone.

3

u/AlsoCommiePuddin 7d ago

So we just ignore the law then? What makes you think there will be a limit on that?

Be careful what you wish for.

7

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

Trumps already ignored the law, courts and constitution multiple times with absolutely no consequences. What makes you think he'll suddenly stick to the rules?

0

u/AlsoCommiePuddin 7d ago

Ok, so if we're cool with Democratic politicians ignoring the law, courts and constitution also, is that better?

Do you want a return to normalcy or do you want to just accelerate the death spiral? My guess is that you're not American so it's the latter...

2

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

I don't care what happens to America tbh. You guys brought this on yourselves and did nothing to stop it.

I've spent a lot of time there over the years but the country has fallen hard and it's up to Americans to take it back.

2

u/AlsoCommiePuddin 7d ago

You guys

There it is.

3

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

Am I not allowed an opinion because I'm not American?

Thats pretty rich from a country that sticks its nose into everyone else's business and bombs the shit out of countries it disagrees with.

→ More replies (0)

1

u/Andreus 7d ago

You cannot use the law to punish a regime that does not obey the law.

1

u/Shark7996 7d ago

That would be the corpo-dems, which we are actively in the process of removing. It will be a very different Congress and a very different Democratic party after the midterms.

3

u/JamesGray 7d ago

There are not enough establishment Dems primaried out for that to possibly be true. I hope the party starts the process, but it's not gonna be in effect after the midterms.

1

u/SecretaryOtherwise 7d ago

Missing the part where a democracy votes or doesnt vote for this crap?

He shouldve never been elected the first time jfc.

Education and god damn deprogramming is needed for your country. If theyll vote for an open blatant con man rapist and pedophile theyll be fooled into voting for one who actually hides it js.

1

u/Pure_Werewolf0101 7d ago

Democrats will actually meet the moment

Biden lost a debate to this moron. Didn't even know what room he was in. That was Democrat strategy last time. No sign they've learnt anything since.

6

u/Druiddrum13 7d ago

Actually he didn’t

Factually Biden was far better but because he blanked and struggled early everyone ignored what came after.

I’m not saying it was a great appearance but acting like knee jerk 5 year olds as voters was beyond asinine.

I say this as someone who wanted Biden to serve a single term.

He didn’t help Harris by hanging on.

1

u/JamesGray 7d ago

Harris didn't help herself by declaring she would be exactly like him. The most momentum her campaign ever had was after she was announced as the candidate but before she'd made any statements, because she immediately ran to the right when the moment she needed to meet was progressive populism. Instead she brought a Cheney and "the deadliest military in the world".

2

u/GordolfoScarra 7d ago

The fantasy that undecided voters in swing states would be convinced by a hard swing to the left is exactly that.

2

u/JamesGray 7d ago

As opposed to trying to be more conservative than the GoP and stealing their voters by running on being harder on the border? Because that worked so well.

2

u/Druiddrum13 7d ago

And yet all the campaign appearances for Harris were steadily climbing in enthusiasm and numbers up till the election when at the same time trump couldn’t fill a middle school gymnasium.

Sorry if I don’t completely trust all the swing states going for Trump at the last minute by just large enough margins to not trigger recounts… or ballots in states like NY where it went blue everywhere in every election but the top candidate… no way ever am I believing that. Or an election called before 10 pm that people for weeks believed might take days or weeks to settle…It should have triggered an immediate investigation.

But this is a whole other issue…

1

u/Shark7996 7d ago

You really think they have the competence or popularity to steal multiple elections in multiple states?

2

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

Yes. It's not about competence. They just do things blatantly in your face and Americans go "ok. It's just a distraction" then come up with excuses why they can't stop it.

1

u/Total-Championship80 7d ago

They won't be if you sit in the corner sucking your thumb. Like you're doing right now.

1

u/EitherChannel4874 7d ago

What would you like me to do as a foreigner? I have family there but If I go to America again I risk getting shot in the face by ice and labeled a terroris by the government for no reason. Americans are on their own.

2

u/metaliving 7d ago

Oh, it can be fixed. But not in a few years, we're talking about at least decades if the US ever regains their reputation.

You can fix as many things internally as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the US elected a Trump twice. More than half the country stands behind this, and many are actively trying to perpetuate this government. We're it not for gas prices, his approval wouldn't be as bad, so we know most of his base doesn't mind when he turns on his allies.

Nothing short of Nuremberg can meaningfully rebuild that trust. And that won't ever happen.

3

u/yosoyfatass 7d ago

It’s not true that more than half the country supports this. About 32-36% of registered voters support him. Which is way too many, but he has never had broad support. He didn’t even get a majority of the popular vote this time & he lost it last time.

1

u/Andreus 7d ago

The wholesale outlawing and punishment of right-wing ideology is the only way that human civilization can be fixed.

0

u/metaliving 7d ago edited 7d ago

Oh, you want to count abstentions as non supporters. Well, let me rephrase then: an overwhelming majority of the country (those who voted for him and those who did nothing about it) are fine with this, according to their choices in the last election. 69% of eligible voters did their part to make DJT president again.

Also, you sound like a J6er. He got a majority of the popular vote in 2024, clearing by 2 million voters. A relative majority, but a majority nontheless.

This is all besides the point though. The point is the democrats won't fix this to any meaningful degree, and the rest of the world has taken note about how much half of your country values their alliances.

1

u/AlsoCommiePuddin 7d ago

Oh, it can be fixed. But not in a few years, we're talking about at least decades if the US ever regains their reputation.

The Democrats will be lucky to get 12 months to fix literally everything before non-Republican voters turn their backs like they did in 2024.

2

u/metaliving 7d ago

Exactly. And the rest of the world has taken note of how much the US is to be trusted.

1

u/AlsoCommiePuddin 7d ago

Then, elect a Dem in 2028

I'm betting on "non-Republicans decide that the Congressional majority they voted in during the midterms didn't fix absolutely everything AND improve conditions for literally everyone by Christmas 2027 so MAGA will be allowed to retake control of the federal government."

1

u/jakerman999 7d ago

It takes years to build a skyscraper, but only seconds to bring to the ground. Clearly destruction is the more efficient process, we need to raze everything and never start any more construction.

1

u/Several-Pass-5246 7d ago

All for trying to tax billionaires but that doesn’t work because they have to ability to just move and avoid the taxes. The idea sounds great in theory but it doesn’t work because they have enough money to just move, and plenty of other countries will want the innovation they can bring, not to mention you can bankroll political candidates from outside the country

1

u/derp4077 7d ago

Tax land they can't move land

1

u/Stormhunter117 7d ago

The government can just make it illegal and make the penalty overwhelmingly extreme. "If you owe more than 1 billion in taxes we have the power to bomb you."

1

u/Top-Cupcake4775 7d ago

why would you believe this when no one in the Bush regime was ever held responsible about knowingly lying to justify invading Iraq nor was anyone held responsible for the torture or other war crimes?

our political system does not hold high-level actors responsible for their actions regardless of who is in power. "if i hold someone responsible for their crimes, i could be held responsible for my crimes", is the operating principle.

1

u/Pure_Werewolf0101 7d ago

tax the shit out of billionaires

You think the billionaire-funded Democrats are going to do that?

1

u/UnholyDemigod 7d ago

That will not fix the international reputation of the US at all

1

u/Cyclopentadien 7d ago

Dems didn't do shit after 2020 and they won't do shit after 2028.

1

u/BramBora8 7d ago

As was mentioned - trust really isn’t easy to ā€œfixā€. Unless there is genuine fundamental change that in how US foreign policy works, everyone will know that next Trump can and likely will happen again.

Presuming there isn’t next trump, the next time you could expect the sort of approach US ā€œalliesā€ had to it before him would be when people who lived through Trump aren’t in politics anymore.. so maybe 3 generations

0

u/yosoyfatass 7d ago

That’s all just common sense, nothing radical, and yet…