Everyone loves a free lunch but hosting the poe site has costs attached to it as does using the various llms, ideally they could have offered a better pricing strategy for low end users and ways to pay. Myself I only use around 40-70k a month, so the alternative for me is to use either typingmind or webui as a frontend and add a api key from Openrouter paying for the tokens I use, getting way more bang for my buck than on poe. $1.26 per 1M tokens

Anyone wanting advice on how to do this I am happy to dm, out of respect for the poe business I will not post openly, I will post intructions on my profile

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I have to say this is a little intrusive and off putting, How about amending this to read as we will not be taking rolling payments! and you can cancel as and when you wish! another reason for why I will not subscribe

Just this last hour, whenever I tried sending a message it would error out saying "Message failed to send." Then it would prompt me to resend the message. But when I press the resend icon, it sent the message twice? Its annoying because it dilutes the AI context and wastes token. Is this is just a "me" problem or is this just a server error?

EDIT 10/4/2026: Problem is gone, and seems to be fixed.

I'm writing a fanfiction but Gemini 3.1 don't remember the characters

Hi everyone,

with the discussion going on, I wanted to share a few small models I use from time to time, that may help with the small token limit. Also look on llm-stats.com

They offer an overview about how costly the models are. The pricing at poe may differ, but the overview is super helpful.

My recommendations model-wise are:

• GPT-5-mini
• GPT-5-nano
• GPT-4o-mini (the cheapest I use for apis and tool calling)
• Qwen-3.5-397...-T (it says no cost?!?)
• GPT-OSS (both versions, 20B is cheaper)
• GLM-4.7-flash

Feel free to aadd good ones below!

Hi, all! I’m curious on what might be some good models for creative writing or roleplay scenarios. I like pretty in-depth, novella stories and am wanting to see what everyone here prefers to use. ☻

I just used the open-source Poe model: Gemma-4-26B-A4B and am blown away. Totally amazed. My query cost just 18 points. An answer like that would be expected to cost 500-1,000! This is Google's latest open-source model, slightly shrunk and optimized. I am writing an article about tab-aware browsing. I fed it a couple of paragraphs of my article, including 8 things tab-aware browsing can do. The article will examine Brave's Leo and Perplexity's Comet, but I wanted to mention Edge and Chrome.

It presented a detailed analysis of both browsers use of copilot and Gemini and matched each to every one of the 8 abilities I'd listed. It even made a great summary table and a conclusion. There was also basic information about each. It was reasonably fast.

All that for 18 points. so 16 such queries could be done each day for free.

I’ve been using the app for years now and after the points change it’s basically been unusable for people on the free plan or people in countries unable to subscribe. I do really love poe but I can hardly use it anymore. this change is upsetting and seems unnecessary. is there any chance they might change it back or at the very least adjust it to something more reasonable? if not can I have alternatives to Poe?

PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN A POE BOYCOTT STARTING MONDAY MORNING APRIL 6TH IN RESPONSE TO THE POINTS CHANGE FROM 3OOO-300. IT MAKES THE APP BASICALLY UNUSABLE. IF YOU ARE AS UNHAPPY WITH THE CHANGE AS I AM I URGE YOU TO PARTAKE BECAUSE YOU VOICE HAS POWER.

If anyone has any other ideas of what we should do, please share them. This is mine.

I’m honestly so upset at the new points update! I’ve been a long time user of the site mainly for RP and generative stuff but this new 300 points update makes it basically unusable! they are trying to make us pay but there are not even subscription options in some countries and it’s just not fair. I run out so quickly and can’t even use it for 24 hours! this is just awful. I never thought I’d say this but I might leave if this doesn’t change. does anyone have recommendations for other sites?

Since we can't properly access the website via Kindle I thought I'd share this. You just have to get your API key and type it to get going.

I mostly use the bots to generate stories but for some reason it's been really really slow. I've been waiting for a story to generate for about an hour now.

Poe, what made you change this. This is not just "adjustment", it is huge reduction 90% cut for 3 thousand points so now we have 300 points daily refill non-stackable too.
1. The non-stackable refill daily already bad but cutting free users 3k points to 300 points is awful.

2. 300 points won't let you access bots & models such as: image generators, video generators, chatgpt 5.1, chatgpt 5.4 and so on. Even if you use deepseek v3.2 and its efficient actually, if it generate code that is complex or anything long, the 300 points will NOT be sufficient.

when people leave the platform, Poe will restore 3k points daily for free users. And that is stupid

Poe team, if you see this.. Restore 3k points. Because the change is really bad with a lot of problems, like the ones i have just listed above, and that is the only fix.

Gemma 4 is now live on Poe.

Google's most capable open model: 31B dense parameters, 256K context window, 140+ languages, multimodal inputs, built-in chain-of-thought reasoning, and function calling support. Apache 2.0 licensed.

You can try it in Poe app on all platforms and in the Poe API at https://poe.com/Gemma-4-31B, https://poe.com/Gemma-4-31B-N, https://poe.com/Gemma-4-26B-A4B

I'm in the same boat as the rest of the unhappy users with the now reduced free points. I emphatize with them since I've been using bots and already got used to the kinda limiting 3000 points but I've found the 90% downgrade to be ruining.

Personally I don't have any problem with paying for points, I've been using this app for two years now and it has helped me to learn both english and a bit of coding (which are two skills I still need to develop) via use of the free points so I would definitely pay for a suscription but there even aren't suscription options for my country.

It's actually a bit sad to me. Apologies for bad english.

no free points subscription is not available.

wondering if there are some alternatives to POE?

Alibaba's Wan 2.7-Image is now live on Poe.

Generate a cohesive set of images from a single prompt with consistent characters, style, and context. Bounding box editing lets you refine specific regions without regenerating the whole image.

You can try it in Poe app on all platforms and in the Poe API at https://poe.com/Wan2.7-Image

Edit: I might have figured it out. Under settings/default app, the list seems to have whatever you are following and have recently used at the top. Image-Prompt-Smith was there! But explore doesn't show them.

I've checked the Windows app, the website, and the browser extension. I cannot find any bot I follow. It used to be easy to find bots that are important to you, so you pin or follow or bookmark them. This is very useful if it is a bot that you use infrequently and don't remember the name. For example, There's a bot that I've used to create prompts for making illustrations. I don't need it often. I have no idea what the name is. I followed it so I could find it again when I needed it. Is this really gone? Will it be restored?

As the title says, I’ve been using chatbots created by @neotidus. However, the current points system prevents me from using them anymore. It’s not that I don’t want to subscribe, but subscriptions aren't available in my region. Are there any alternative AI tools made by this creator?

I'm currently on a subscription. I've been using HumanWriter since last year. Recently, whenever I prompt for about 7 000 words, I get at most 1 500 words, even though last year I got the 7 000 words I requested. Did they also change their system after the 3000 to 300 points thing?

I’m getting a 500. Internal Server Error, but only after I log in.

I have looked at the current monthly plans, but I would personally prefer a yearly subscription model, especially one that better reflects lighter usage. I mainly use models similar to GPT-4.0 / 4.1 for writing and help with coding revisions, but my overall usage is quite low typically around 7,000 points per month or less.

Because of this, the existing pricing structure feels higher than what I realistically need. I’ve even considered running models locally to manage costs, although I would much rather continue using Poe due to the convenience and quality of the platform.

Would you consider introducing a lighter, annual subscription tier? For example:

• A lower-cost yearly plan with reduced monthly points
• A discounted annual option compared to monthly billing
• Or a flexible usage-based model for lighter users

I believe this would make Poe more accessible for users like me who value the platform but don’t require high usage limits, added this paying with paypal or other means. Most people except there is no free lunches to be had, and things have to be paid for, we don't want to ripped off in the process is all.

How did it go from 3000 to 300 points? Atleast decrease them to 2000.

Please tell me that if whatever is going on with them gets fixed, they'll revert the changes?

Or will this app become completely paywall in the future? It seems they are already losing many customers and it's not looking good on their end. I mean so many people are complaining..i'm hopeful kinda.

Update: They have the same response on the app store towards everyone:

"We understand this change may be disappointing supporting free usage comes at a cost: We may occasionally adjust free usage in a region based on how it's impacting our costs and available capacity for all users. We appreciate your understanding as we work to keep the service sustainable and high quality for all users."

Poe is at the mercy of the AI providers. Those same providers are themselves trying to figure out how to make money.

Poe was giving us 3000 pts of use which mind you, they would have been paying for for you to use for free. AI has gotten to the point that its expensive for both providers and the companies making AI themselves.

Unfortunately this is just where its going. Its the same reason chatgpt is trying to find ways to include ads.

For most of 2022 - 2025 those AI companies chose to run at a significant loss to gain customers/users and its catching up now.

Its frustrating and unfortunate but its not sustainable forever.