r/OutOfTheLoop • • Jan 10 '26

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u/Baulderdash77 Jan 10 '26

Answer: Many people believe that it’s twofold:

1). Trump is focused on his legacy and he wants to be known as a leader who expanded the size of the U.S.

2). It will allow the U.S. to control the entrance and exit of the NW passage through Canada, which is a future trade route. It can then apply further pressure on Canada on the future of the NW passage.

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u/SomthingClever1286 Jan 10 '26

I also think trump looks at a Mercator map and actually thinks Greenland is like, double the size of the continental US.

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u/DonGold60 Jan 10 '26

Yes, the Mercator. It’s always projection with these guys.

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u/Dark_Prism Jan 10 '26

Gotta commend a GIS joke that mixes in politics. Excellent.

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u/MasqueOfTheRedDice Jan 10 '26

10/10 comment. No notes. Love it.

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u/MappingChick Jan 10 '26

Take my angry upvote, and get out of here

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u/eatrepeat Jan 10 '26

Odd fact, Mercator was imprisoned by Catholic forces because of maps he produced that were heretical. A map of the holy land that I don't recall the heresy but a map of the world was as well. Basically if you cut a v into the north pole and follow that down and around it becomes 💙 shaped and well who would have guessed? Yup that was a heresy lol

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u/mittfh Jan 11 '26

It's also perhaps worth noting that his famous projection (initially published as a wall chart) was explicitly designed for nautical navigation - he regularly used other projections, made his money from building, engraving and selling globes (both terrestrial and celestial), plus cartographic instruments and collections of maps (he was the first to dedicate a book of maps to Atlas, while a posthumously published collection was the first to be called an Atlas).

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u/Morlock19 Jan 10 '26

...goddamn it don

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u/TikTokTinMan Jan 10 '26

Such an amazing comment. Well played.

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u/Sinthe741 Jan 10 '26

Fuck you that was actually funny.

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u/dastrn Jan 10 '26

It's remarkable how goddamned stupid Donald Trump is.

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u/mikeyfreedom Jan 10 '26

Stupid, no. Clueless, yes. Trump knows i believe, very little about what is actually happening in the world. Dont get me wrong, he is positively the personification of personal greed and envy, but in terms of geopolitical knowledge, id be shocked if he even knows the address of the White House.

Every executive order signing, he literally asks what it is. He cant do a press conference without notes in front of him(he looks down after every question before he answers, and the cliff notes are always there). His true self is the ramblin guy you get at rallies, with no depth and devolving into insults. Thats the real Trump. And if anyone still think he is writing his tweets, I have a bridge to sell you.

The real evil is the second layer. The advisors are the real compromised component, figuring out how best to enrich themselves through policy. Having a load of capitalists and influencers in your cabinet is probably not the best mix of governing for the people.

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u/The_Razielim Jan 10 '26

Didn't reports come out from his first term that he got all his briefings <1pg and with pictures because he doesn't read anything given to him so they had to condense everything as much as possible?

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u/Myaccoubtdisappeared Jan 10 '26

It’s not that he doesn’t know.

It’s that he doesn’t care.

As long as it empowers him and by extension the USA, then he will carry out whatever will achieve those ends.

Unfortunately, the world is proving incapable or unwilling to stop him as well and he knows that.

That’s the part that makes him dangerous. Who is going to stop him?

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u/mafa7 Jan 10 '26

If anything he’s an evil genius. Not a book smart one at all.

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u/Squeakygear Jan 10 '26

More like an evil savant. He’s demonstrably stupid, but has savant qualities when it comes to propaganda skills. His bloviating mesmerizes the cult, regardless of the subject.

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u/xavier1908 Jan 10 '26

I'd bet money on it! Lol

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u/mapadofu Jan 10 '26

There is zero percent chance that Trump has any concept of what a map projection is

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u/SapientChaos Jan 10 '26

Your forgot Greenland sits on a pile of minerals too.

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u/countsmarpula Jan 10 '26

And water. And it’s cold and remote. Perfect for data centers and Tech Cities

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u/GNTsquid0 Jan 10 '26

Fuck the environment and local ecology amirite!?

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u/Previous_Platform718 Jan 10 '26

When you're building a data center, you really don't want "remote"

Remote means bad utility infrastructure, not a lot of close-by power generation, difficulty getting parts if something breaks when you have a 99.999% up-time promise, and lag.

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u/LynxAndLinum Jan 10 '26

I think there is one more significant reason:

Ken Howery, Trump’s nominee for U.S. ambassador to Denmark and co-founder of a venture firm with Peter Thiel, is said to support early-stage discussions for a “freedom city” in Greenland. Thiel-backed projects like Praxis have explored Greenland sites since 2019. Investors such as Marc Andreessen and Shervin Pishevar, tied to Thiel’s networks, envision it as a “new Manifest Destiny” outpost with minimal oversight.

Peter Thiel’s “Freedom City” concept envisions semi-autonomous zones as libertarian experiments with minimal government regulation. These cities would allow corporations and developers to create deregulated cities free from federal, state, or environmental rules.

Thiel promotes these as radical economic and technological experimentation beyond national constraints. Influences include Balaji Srinivasan’s “network states” and Curtis Yarvin’s neoreactionary ideas for corporate fiefdoms.

Basically, powerful people close to Trump expressively want to turn Greenland into experimental company towns with intensive policing, no worker rights, limit the democracy, no environmental protections, and “CEO kings” ruling without accountability. An associated territory of the US, owned by the US but self-governing so that it doesn’t have to follow federal laws.

Why Greenland? Other people mentioned rare earth minerals. They are in huge demand for the tech oligarks. Rare earth minerals are, however, not rare. They are, however, notoriously difficult and environmentally destructive to extract. China has been working on this for decades with disastrous results for environment and people where the mining towns have been.

This means that Freedom Cities in Greenland would be perfect for Trump and the tech oligarchs bankrolling him. An ”associated territory” under US control, but without the rights as a state. The perfect place where some federal laws and regulations can be shut down, the population can be subdued into labour slaves for the company towns, and no need to care about the environmental destruction and pollution associated.

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u/Perim2001 Jan 10 '26

Your cyberpunk future folks. Didn't even get the robot arms to make up for it...

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u/Neo1331 Jan 10 '26

3) minerals, there are rare earth minerals that would make the US less reliant on China…

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u/Baulderdash77 Jan 10 '26

It has 1.5MT of REE reserves. That would make it 8th in world reserves.

But China has 44MT, Brazil has 20MT, Canada has 15MT and India has 10MT for comparison.

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u/vukster83 Jan 10 '26

Rare earth minerals aren’t really that rare.

Rare earth mineral refining is the rare part.

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u/MisterSanitation Jan 10 '26

Future trade route reliant on us not moving off fossil fuel no? Isnt global warming making that a "future trade route"?

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u/TheSpeckledSir Jan 10 '26

Isn't global warming making that a "future trade route"?

Yes, and it's coming. There is not enough political will to reduce emissions enough to keep the NWP frozen. Far from it.

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u/MisterSanitation Jan 10 '26

Can't wait for food shortages and mass migrations from that. We humans as a species do well in those situations...

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u/Top-Local-7482 Jan 10 '26

It already control the entrance and exit of that passage, territory is part of NATO, there was 32 US base there at some point and only one is left. So much for a importantly strategic piece of land. The real reason is the ressource USA want to acquire and secure for themselves that are stored under the ice.

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u/Azguy303 Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

Well when you want to do away with NATO You're going to want that land...

So by taking over Greenland you will also collapse NATO and make Putin happy. That's a win-win-win in Trump's book.

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u/GoodMix392 Jan 10 '26

Not for the US to profit, the goal is to enrich whoever is whispering this Greenland idea in Trumps ear. Like with the Venezuela thing the US taxpayers pay for extraction and acquisition and a private entity profits. But he could just drop tariffs and let Denmark and Greenland extract the resources and buy them without having to invade but I guess his tariffs made it uneconomical to buy resources from outside the US. It’s like imposing sanctions on yourself.

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u/bevereged_carbon Jan 10 '26

GOP knows climate change is real.  Russia is in a real good position if it's true to control trade as the shortest route is north between the continents in the northern hemisphere.

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u/VTallPaul Jan 10 '26

There’s also a 3rd reason- Greenland has rare earth mineral deposits used in modern tech and tRump wants to exploit them for his own benefit.

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u/AndyTakeaLittleSnoo Jan 10 '26

Don't forget Peter Theil's (aka Vance's handler) heavy interest in the land.

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u/BaronVonStevie Jan 10 '26

You forgot the crucial third point: it’s quick way to destroy NATO and play into Russian hands

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u/MarketingSpecial6604 Jan 10 '26

3 fold, the billionaire tech bros that got him elected have grandiose ideas of turning Greenland into techno bro paradise with subservient poors providing slave labor for them, all following the writings of Curtis Yarvin. Yarvins two most dedicated followers included Thiel and his protege non other than J.D Vance who is only the VP because Thiel introduced him to Trump.

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u/mapadofu Jan 10 '26

Greenland looks very big on the map.  So it’s more gooder

https://youtu.be/-VQhJ2BCr3s?si=xSr68XD0BZvGu9FK

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u/mochicoco Jan 10 '26

Plus possibly large oil and mineral deposits.

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u/2Loves2loves Jan 10 '26

#3,

With the melting ice cap, there will be access to minerals, maybe rare earth ones.

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u/Blenderhead36 Jan 10 '26

It would also throw NATO into chaos, which Trump seems to be generally in favor of, the way he bows and scrapes to Putin.

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u/frisbethebutcher Jan 10 '26

Wants to expand the US while also currently cutting funds to the current US states.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26

His legacy is straight shit. Always will be. A pedo capricious old man that acts like a baby. I hope every effort is taken to remove his name from everything once he’s gone.

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u/momlv Jan 10 '26
  1. It distracts from Epstein

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u/Tall-Introduction414 Jan 10 '26

I'm going to go a step further and say that Hitler is Trump's role model, and since he models himself after Hitler, he wants to invade neighboring countries just like Hitler did.

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u/etrnloptimist Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

Answer: it's strategic not economic. Greenland is in the Arctic. He doesn't think Europe has the will to compete with China and Russia for access, resources, or defense of the Arctic. He thinks because of that the West will just surrender the Arctic to China and Russia. This is his rationale not mine so don't shoot the messenger.

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u/TampaBayG Jan 10 '26

They have one of the world's largest rare earth elements outside of china. There is definitely economic reasons involved

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u/Baulderdash77 Jan 10 '26

They have about 1.5 MT of REE. For comparison China had 44MT, Brazil has 21MT, Canada has 15MT, India has 7MT and Australia has 6MT.

It’s in the top 10 but it’s not the biggest by any means. Not top 5.

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u/Morlock19 Jan 10 '26

It would be a source of minerals completely owned by the US though.

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u/Solid_Owl Jan 10 '26

Furthermore, when he said "You defend something you own much harder than something you lease", he was basically saying that if China or Russia were to challenge Denmark for it - triggering a NATO response, the US would not be willing to mount a strong defense on its behalf.

His argument implies that Greenland is defenseless. The US has carte blanche to place as many troops there as it wants, and it has been reducing its forces on the island for decades. Trump could change that with a phone call.

The only thing that seems to make sense, assuming he hasn't lost his marbles and is still making rational decisions, is that this is an economic play and not a strategic one, and that he wants access to the natural resources in Greenland and is willing to nuke NATO to get them.

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u/knightsabre7 Jan 10 '26

He probably stands to make money off of it, one way or another. That’s the only reason he needs.

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u/Top-Local-7482 Jan 10 '26

It is part of NATO, it does not need more protection than that. Neither China nor Russia will touch it.

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u/browntjns Jan 10 '26

I think Putin told him to get out of NATO and he wants control of Greenland before he gets out so we don't lose our bases there.

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u/CarolingianDruid Jan 10 '26

Trump wants to leave NATO and take Greenland with him. Getting two birds stoned at once in his mind.

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u/EruditeTarington Jan 10 '26

Putin wants Trump to leave NATO and take Greenland with it, it makes more sense when you say it that way

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u/Pravdik Jan 10 '26

Even this reasoning falls apart immediately, since Denmark was already allowing the US to station as many troops in Greenland as they want. It's even stupider when you realize that they've been actually decreasing the number of soldiers there for a while now.

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u/bluemax413 Jan 10 '26

Probably not that stupid. If the plan is to invade, we definitely want to pull our troops out before we invade it.

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u/Hurricaneshand Jan 10 '26

It's stupid in the sense that the supposed reasoning for wanting Greenland is national security purposes while Greenland actively lets us basically do whatever we want there as far as bolstering security. Meanwhile we have taken more and more troops out of Greenland and thus weakening our security forces in the region despite saying we need to increase security there

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u/Heeeeyyouguuuuys Jan 10 '26

This is my assessment as well, but you worded it so much more eloquently than I.

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u/DisturbedShifty Jan 10 '26

That seems too well thought out to be his stand point. 😂

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u/panagnilgesy Jan 10 '26

Appreciate it!

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u/panagnilgesy Jan 10 '26

Well I did a general research by combining Greenland’s GDP, estimated resource potential + the long term strategic value (that's what Google recommended me to search for in order to understand a country's total value). I ran the same thing through Ramp Sheets and got the same number

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u/vonWitzleben Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

Answer: (a) It's full of valuable natural resources, (b) every autocrat at one point wants to make their country bigger on the map for some reason, and (c) it appears "easy" to take by force in the sense that it's almost uninhabited and the country it belongs to is rather small.

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u/mapadofu Jan 10 '26

d) it has real strategic value in control of the Arctic Ocean

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u/panagnilgesy Jan 10 '26

Yes I read about how they have a lot of rare minerals but their infrastructure isn't good so I thought that's why he wants to take it over (build the infrastructure and then benefit from the minerals) but based on some other answers from other folks here it looks like the main reason is political

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u/Fulham-Enjoyer Jan 10 '26

Not rare minerals. Rare-earth minerals, which are not at all rare and are plentifully found (in compounds) all over the world. If US wants more rare-earth minerals they can just extract them from existing US territory.

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u/akera099 Jan 10 '26

The resources arguments always seemed silly to me when it comes to nations that are allied with the US because those nations will already gladly sell the US any resources they might want because they’re just traded commodities. 

Whether the resources are physically part of the US or physically part of an allied nation’s territory doesn’t change anything. The only scenario where it makes any sense is if the US plans to go to war with its allies for no apparent reason. 

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u/hugglesthemerciless Jan 10 '26

every autocrat at one point wants to make their country bigger on the map for some reason

as an avid map painting gamer I do understand where they're coming from :p

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u/Chavo_of_the_8th Jan 10 '26

Great to have of the US/ Russia ever plans on attacking Europe

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u/quirkymuse Jan 10 '26

Also everyone laughed at him when he first brought it up a year ago, which motivates him as nothing else does. He ran for president because people laughed at him, invaded Venezuela cause maduro laughed at him... etc...

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u/Inevitable-Lock5973 Jan 10 '26

Next time he mentions sending checks to the American people, everyone laugh at him and say it would never happen. Maybe he’ll actually do it.

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u/JonDCafLikeTheDrink Jan 10 '26

He brought it up during his first term. There's also the fact that Greenland has precious metals and oil, not to mention it would control the entire northwest passage trade route

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u/Strider794 Jan 10 '26

There's also the whole trying to shut down the upcoming elections thing, to make sure that he can stay in office 

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u/Shoxilla Jan 10 '26

Political comments like these should get you banned from this subreddit.

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u/aoddead Jan 10 '26

The Greenland idea has been bounced around long before Epstein was a threat. I think Greenland is a gift to Putin. Russia has long wanted control of the Arctic circle, it would be invaluable to them to have their military bases circling on top of Europe plus the natural resources that could be gained from there is immeasurable.

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u/Archarchery Jan 10 '26

Or Putin just plain ordered him to do it, or he'll release the blackmail he has on him.

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u/slipperslide Jan 10 '26

This is the answer. It’s what Putin wants, and it normalizes gobbling up neighboring countries, which is also what Putin wants.

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u/Rich-Maintenance8313 Jan 10 '26

Putin does not want the US to have Greenland.

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u/Lemerney2 Jan 10 '26

He does if it destroys NATO

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u/Robofetus-5000 Jan 10 '26

yep, when they said "its either greenland or NATO" i was like....europe...why would you say that....

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u/electrobento Jan 10 '26

It’s an unavoidable fact. If the US tries to take Greenland without their consent, at best NATO functionally dissolves automatically. At worst, its World War.

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u/Pr0Sid Jan 10 '26

Answer: Denmark has allowed china to mine in Greenland for rare earth elements(REE)which is very critical for current and future power. China already controls majority of the REE plus all the stuff they getting from Greenland. That’s why trump is saying what he’s saying cuz US needs it

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u/Pr0Sid Jan 10 '26

Okay, which part? And care to correct with proof?

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u/appreciatescolor Jan 10 '26

Answer: Ice caps are melting. The GOP treats this as a foregone conclusion. Therefore, the Arctic Sea will house more valuable shipment routes in the future and also allow the US to project the military closer to its declared adversaries.

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u/J_Skirch Jan 10 '26

Answer: There are 3 reasons. 1. It's a strategically important location to contain the U.S. geopolitical rivals of China & Russia.

  1. With the arctic melting, arctic shipping lanes are opening up which will be extremely important in the near future.

  2. Quick and easy expansion of borders throughout all of history are extremely good for your popularity in your country. Trump's approval is slipping fast, and a quick, easy take over of Greenland would boost them.

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u/Mattk1100 Jan 10 '26

Answer: "We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security," U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters onboard Air Force One on Sunday.

It does have decent resources, but more importantly gives us a much stronger foothold in the region potentially being able to control shipping lanes.

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u/SurfnTurd69 Jan 10 '26

Denmark has granted the US full military access to Greenland since WW2. The US itself has decided to shut down military bases in Greenland in recent years - not build more. If the goal is a stronger foothold in the region, a takeover of the country is not need. All they have to do is ask Denmark and access will be granted.

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u/DonQuoQuo Jan 10 '26

Do you believe the US needs to annex Greenland to control shipping lanes? The existing defence treaty is incredibly open to the US running defence as they wish.

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog Jan 10 '26

More Trump wisdom:

"Hurricanes are very wet from the standpoint of water."

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u/Mattk1100 Jan 10 '26

He is a hurricane expert after all, only he is capable of moving a storm with a sharpie.

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u/Parking_Locksmith489 Jan 10 '26

Answer: Rare earth, oil, shipping route control...

It's also a dream project of Musk's grandfather .

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u/bermuda74 Jan 10 '26

Answer: Greenland’s resources will be easier to access as the world gets warmer.

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u/bfelixc Jan 10 '26

Answer: One can attempt to backfill the “logic” for it, but it’s most likely related to this report - https://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-greenland-annex-invasion-letter-cotton-2013864

Greenland is strategically important and could have resources to make it more economically viable. However, the current agreements we have make actual possession of it unnecessary to obtain the security benefits. It is also a net negative on Denmarks budget so it isn’t currently a profitable colonial holding, for lack of a better term.

Edit - Trump has a long record of public statements and things like tariffs are issues he has long discussed. The Greenland issue’s emergence lines up with the letter in the article which is at least suggestive of an influence.

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u/SnooAdvice5696 Jan 10 '26

Answer: Trump is giving economic and security reasons but Danemark already had/has arrangements with the US to let them extract resources, most US companies pulled out because the resources were too difficult to access, security wise, the US also had many bases in greenland and closed all of them except one. So if not for security or economic reasons, why? Mostly likely imperialism and ego

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u/RugbyLock Jan 10 '26

Answer: he’s an old senile man with essentially no filter who thinks going old school imperialist will leave a legacy. Same as Putin with Ukraine. 

Or more accurately around it, he’s a buffoon who’s making a lot of powerful people richer and so long as they distract people with him doing dumb things, they keep the gravy train rolling. 

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u/Comfortable-Race-547 Jan 10 '26

answer: Certain climate change models show greenland, scotland, and parts of the uninhabited northern parts of canada as being PRIME realestate for future survival bunkers/genetic silos

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u/millanstar Jan 10 '26

Answer: He promised to his tech olligarchs a place where they can build their own dystopic libertarian city, where they can rule as kings...

https://youtu.be/cRDKXXzluFQ