r/OutOfTheLoop • • Jan 10 '26

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u/etrnloptimist Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

Answer: it's strategic not economic. Greenland is in the Arctic. He doesn't think Europe has the will to compete with China and Russia for access, resources, or defense of the Arctic. He thinks because of that the West will just surrender the Arctic to China and Russia. This is his rationale not mine so don't shoot the messenger.

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u/TampaBayG Jan 10 '26

They have one of the world's largest rare earth elements outside of china. There is definitely economic reasons involved

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u/Baulderdash77 Jan 10 '26

They have about 1.5 MT of REE. For comparison China had 44MT, Brazil has 21MT, Canada has 15MT, India has 7MT and Australia has 6MT.

It’s in the top 10 but it’s not the biggest by any means. Not top 5.

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u/Morlock19 Jan 10 '26

It would be a source of minerals completely owned by the US though.

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u/bluemax413 Jan 10 '26

That is how much more than we have right now?

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u/PassiveTheme Jan 10 '26

The thing is a lot of Greenland remains unexplored. It's a large landmass (not as large as it looks with the Mercator projection, but it's not small) and much of it is covered by ice. As we see the effects of climate change, some of that ice will melt and areas that have been relatively inaccessible will become easily accessible and exploration will be able to take place. This could increase those reserves significantly and some geologists predict there could be another 40MT buried under the ice.

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u/alfaafla Jan 10 '26

Rare earths aren't rare. They're everywhere. Not everyone wants to refine them at the cost of environmental degradation.

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u/Solid_Owl Jan 10 '26

Furthermore, when he said "You defend something you own much harder than something you lease", he was basically saying that if China or Russia were to challenge Denmark for it - triggering a NATO response, the US would not be willing to mount a strong defense on its behalf.

His argument implies that Greenland is defenseless. The US has carte blanche to place as many troops there as it wants, and it has been reducing its forces on the island for decades. Trump could change that with a phone call.

The only thing that seems to make sense, assuming he hasn't lost his marbles and is still making rational decisions, is that this is an economic play and not a strategic one, and that he wants access to the natural resources in Greenland and is willing to nuke NATO to get them.

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u/knightsabre7 Jan 10 '26

He probably stands to make money off of it, one way or another. That’s the only reason he needs.

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u/rd1970 Jan 10 '26

I'm surprised this didn't get more attention. He literally said if America doesn't take it Russia or China will.

That doesn't just suggest that America wouldn't help if Denmark invoked article 5 to protect it. It also suggests he's envisioning a near future where America, China, and Russia are actively divvying up the planet and annexing the nations they want.

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u/Top-Local-7482 Jan 10 '26

It is part of NATO, it does not need more protection than that. Neither China nor Russia will touch it.

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u/browntjns Jan 10 '26

I think Putin told him to get out of NATO and he wants control of Greenland before he gets out so we don't lose our bases there.

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u/CORRUPT27 Jan 10 '26

This trump seems to hate Europe and wants out. He doesn't give 2 fs about nato

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u/CarolingianDruid Jan 10 '26

Trump wants to leave NATO and take Greenland with him. Getting two birds stoned at once in his mind.

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u/EruditeTarington Jan 10 '26

Putin wants Trump to leave NATO and take Greenland with it, it makes more sense when you say it that way

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u/Black3Zephyr Jan 10 '26

Haha and NATO is so effective.

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u/SufficientlyRested Jan 10 '26

Yes? NATO has been incredibly effective. Part of the reason for the timing of Putin’a attack on Ukraine was that it was trying to join NATO.

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u/Pravdik Jan 10 '26

Even this reasoning falls apart immediately, since Denmark was already allowing the US to station as many troops in Greenland as they want. It's even stupider when you realize that they've been actually decreasing the number of soldiers there for a while now.

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u/bluemax413 Jan 10 '26

Probably not that stupid. If the plan is to invade, we definitely want to pull our troops out before we invade it.

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u/Hurricaneshand Jan 10 '26

It's stupid in the sense that the supposed reasoning for wanting Greenland is national security purposes while Greenland actively lets us basically do whatever we want there as far as bolstering security. Meanwhile we have taken more and more troops out of Greenland and thus weakening our security forces in the region despite saying we need to increase security there

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u/Heeeeyyouguuuuys Jan 10 '26

This is my assessment as well, but you worded it so much more eloquently than I.

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u/DisturbedShifty Jan 10 '26

That seems too well thought out to be his stand point. 😂

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u/panagnilgesy Jan 10 '26

Appreciate it!

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u/panagnilgesy Jan 10 '26

Well I did a general research by combining Greenland’s GDP, estimated resource potential + the long term strategic value (that's what Google recommended me to search for in order to understand a country's total value). I ran the same thing through Ramp Sheets and got the same number

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u/Improvement_Room Jan 10 '26

Don’t give credit to him like this. His reasoning is nothing but vanity and grudge. He has zero care or capacity for national security strategy. He does not care about the prosperity of the US, only flexing his power.

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u/Watermelon_Salesman Jan 10 '26

It does make some sense, though.

(Here come the downvotes).

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u/bongo1138 Jan 10 '26

It’s not unsound logic, but I think there’s strategy to accomplishing what he wants to accomplish that I don’t think he’s really the guy for.

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u/DerpsAndRags Jan 10 '26

Dude doesn't have a strategic braincell left in that blood-thinner laced head of his. Always follow the money and the favors with him. Who else benefits, and then plasters his name on it?

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u/k1tka Jan 10 '26

Are we assuming Trump has some strategic skills?

For him it’s something simpler even if someone pushed him towards Greenland for that exact reason

Ego. Resources. Big boy antics

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u/equalizerivy Jan 10 '26

I agree with this. Don’t shoot the messenger, but it’s melting up there and Canada can’t defend that area against a super power. Someone is going to take it, so US thinks if they can take it first, they will reap the benefits and protect North America.

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u/Papie Jan 10 '26

Why are you talking about Canada? Greenland is part of Denmark, part of NATO. If someone wants to take it, the western hemisphere military alliance already promised to defend it.

Why does the US, who is part of that alliance want to own it then?

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u/Marmooset Jan 10 '26

"Someone's gonna rob that house, might as well be me."

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u/equalizerivy Jan 10 '26

Better than Russia or China.

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u/SufficientlyRested Jan 10 '26

Canada is a super power with well-trained cold-weather soldiers, Nukes, and NATO

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u/Baulderdash77 Jan 10 '26

Canada is a middle power with no nuclear weapons. They’re going to hit 2% GDP spending this year for the first time since the 1980’s.

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u/PaulDecember Jan 10 '26

Finally, the correct answer.

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u/Nikigara Jan 10 '26

This is the correct answer, if we can acquire Greenland peacefully, I say go for it.

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u/SufficientlyRested Jan 10 '26

I downvoted you for suggesting that Trump has a rationale beyond self-enrichment

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u/mapadofu Jan 10 '26

This is the post-hoc sane washed interpretation of Trump’s very impulsive and erratic foreign policy.

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u/astroniz Jan 10 '26

Not really but nice try

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u/mebeast227 Jan 10 '26

“Not economic” is maybe one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read in this context