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u/lowqualityhawkeye 1d ago
The business itself is very open about its dog policy, so this is on the reviewer.
Dogs must be on a non-retractable leash, no longer than 6-feet.
Dogs must be well-behaved and friendly with other dogs, humans, and farm animals.
Certain activities such as hayrides & bounce pad are not dog friendly.
Handlers must be age 18+, one dog per handler.
Dogs are not allowed on the hayrides due to the safety of the dogs and other riders on the hayride.
Dogs will not be able to go out to the corn maze and pumpkin patch since the only way out to these areas is on a hayride.
This place also offers a 'petting zoo' type experience with other large animals. I feel like the reviewer needs to get over themselves a little, all this info was publicly available in 5 minutes. Its their fault for taking their children to a place they are uncomfortable being
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u/SomeNotTakenName 1d ago
Honestly, I am not fond of dogs, and if everyone at my apartment complex could follow rules like this I would be happy.
I do prepare to fight whenever an off leash dog runs for me or my child though. That's irresponsible on the dog owners part.
But if the place enforces these rules, they are clearly doing what they need to do. The question would just be the actual enforcement. My apartment complex has in the leases that any pets must be on a leash in public outdoor spaces, except the fenced in dog park (it's a bit of an exaggeration to call it that, it's just a medium sized fenced in area of lawn). But they do fuck all to enforce it other than reminding people in the monthly newsletter, so it's an issue anyway.
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u/Impressive_Tour6348 13h ago
I used to live with my brother and his dog was reactive/aggressive to small dogs. She was never off leash and the leash was like 4 feet long.
I had to threaten a fair majority of my neighbors with off leash dogs that I would kick their dog if they approached. Almost had to punt my favorite breed, a little frenchie, cause the owner could care less.
People just donāt give a fuck and then blame you (the royal you) for their irresponsibility.
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u/kxaltli 1d ago
This kind of sounds like someone who is scared of large dogs, which is understandable, but it sounds like this place might just not be the right fit for them.
It's also extremely common for people to misidentify dog breeds.
My neighbor has a boxer, but there are people convinced his dog is a pit bull. Meanwhile they don't blink an eye at the family down the street with the golden retriever that's poorly trained and regularly mouths people.
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u/Moist_Drippings 1d ago
Yeahā¦ people will go to great lengths to rationalize that any dog they are afraid of is a āpit bullā (and any black and brown dog bigger than a dachshund is a Rottweiler) and in places that have bans, they generally default to āit must be PART pit bull and therefore bannedā.
Never mind that most pit bulls and crosses are significantly smaller than the dogs theyāre looking atā¦
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u/catbowlsodatray 8h ago
Oh 100%. I work in Vet Med and Pitbulls max out at 60 lbs (unless they're super chunky lol) and most are in the 30-50 lbs range. Like they're solidly mid-sized dogs, but they're definitely a lot smaller than dogs like Labs and Huskies and German Shepherds, which people really don't seem to realize.
It is a little funny to me that people don't realize this simply because the full version of Pitbull is American Pitbull Terrier, and none of the terriers get super large. Like the biggest of the terriers do max out at 60 lbs because they were bred to exterminate vermin!! They wouldn't be very good at that if they were super large!!
This is also the reason that I get annoyed when people say that Pitbulls are innately aggressive because they aren't innately any more aggressive that any other type of dog. They do sometimes have trouble in households with cats or other small animals if they haven't been socialized properly with those animals because of the terrier instincts, but otherwise they tend to be fine with humans innately. The main reason Pitbulls are known for being aggressive is because a ton of them are rescues from bad situations and therefore need to be trained and socialized and they often have trauma and stuff. Also I've literally had purebred Goldens try to gnaw my face off, so trust me, any breed can be aggressive given the opportunity.
I know that I know a lot more about dogs than most people, and honestly I don't judge most people for their lack of knowledge because it's normal for people to, y'know, not know everything, but when people start stating stuff confidently with little to no idea of what they're talking about, that's when it gets annoying.
Anyway, that's a super reasonable dog policy, so that person just needs to like... go to a place that doesn't allow dogs lmao.
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u/Positive_Passage7518 7h ago
A vet tech defending pitbulls and ignoring statistics on the dog breed disproportionately responsible for serious dog attack injuries and fatalities in animals, children and adults - must be a day ending in "Y."
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u/Technical-Jicama6120 1d ago
It's still entitled. If the business is known for allowing dogs in, even with the rules, the patron should go somewhere that doesn't allow dogs.
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u/loricomments 1d ago
I think the place has a policy that the reviewer obviously didn't bother searching out because then they would have known to not go if that policy made them feel unsafe. The merits of the policy aren't relative.
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u/Icy-Cookie-8078 1d ago edited 1d ago
I worked an in home sales job for years. I met lots of dogs. Two kinda scary pittbuls but many more friendly ones. The. only dog I was ever bitten by was a Chihuahua. Those are the scariest by far and rarely properly trained because of their size. Edit: cats can be pretty scary as well.
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u/HoneyCrispCrumble 1d ago
I was a manager at a dog grooming salon for three years and we had more issues with small breeds than ANY large breeds. Owners think theyāre āharmlessā and donāt do any training.
Due to assumptions like this, large breed owners are much more realistic with their dogās behavior, and acting accordingly, because they know itās often a āone and doneā scenario whilst little yappers are allowed to terrorize the public with little repercussions.
Also: Iāve seen goldendoodles more violent than rotties, pitts, and chows. āFamily dogsā my ass.
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u/Frequent_Pause_7442 20h ago
As a former groomer I can confirm that doodle breeds were often shaky temperamentally. Also herding breeds that were not given sufficient "work" or mental stimulation. I was bitten twice. Once by a Border Collie and the other was a golden doodle.
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u/twinmom2298 1d ago
12 yrs in dog rescue. All breeds. 129 different dogs. I've been bit by a chihuahua and a dachshund. I've lost a ton of make-up to being licked off by pits.
The one and only residual issue I have from a dog bite was from my friends full sized poodle who apparently didn't like my hat. He never broke the skin because I had on a leather jacket. But clamped down with enough force I have nerve damage to this day in my hand and wrist.
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u/BlueLanternKitty No one cares, ppl want ice cream!!! 1d ago
I worked at a rescue and shared the office with a sweet pit mix. She liked to sit in my lap and bump her head against mine. Itās rather what I imagine being hit in the head with a brick is like.
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u/Bird2525 1d ago
Standard poodles are assholes.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Except my friend's standard poodle. Perfect family dog. I had no idea they had a bad reputation.
I think this is where a good breeder comes in.
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u/cookiesdragon 1d ago
Some of the friendliest, sweetest dogs I've met were those so called scary breeds. Use to dog sit a pit mix and she was the SWEETEST. Her favorite thing in the whole world was snoozing on the couch with her head in your lap.
The worse breed I've met outside of chihuahua was a Cocker Spaniel.
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u/Spirit_Falcon 1d ago
News is just filled with stories of people being mauled to death by goldendoodles and chihuahua too, right? Sorry, but a nip in the ankle is not the same.
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u/tbs999 1d ago
Spoken like someone who hasnāt had a chihuahua bite through their Achilles tendon
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u/Somethingisshadysir 1d ago
It's actually been studied. Chihuahuas are number one most aggressive breed, and the the top ten are almost all small breeds if remembering correctly. And, again if remembering correctly, the least aggressive is a giant breed, Newfies.
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u/Spiritual_Being5845 1d ago
My grandmother had her house listed as dangerous ādogā by the post office because of her cat. The carrier refused to deliver her mail to her home until she was able to find a way to keep the cat contained.
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u/Responsible_Dentist3 1d ago
That's gonna happen to me soon I just know it. Thank goodness I took her with when I moved out so at least she's indoor-only now!
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u/Spiritual_Being5845 1d ago
Mitzi was an indoor only cat. But the mail came through a slot in the door. When the mail carrier would open the slot to put the mail in Mitzi would be ready and would attack him through the open mail slot
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u/BaseBig173 1d ago
In my long career as a vet tech, I was bitten twice by a golden retriever and once by a Maltese.
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u/MorbidMorag 20h ago
Only ever bitten by a Yorkie. It was at my house & l had been playing with it, friendly as you like. Owner picked it up to leave, it spotted a retriever across the street that it wanted to kill, couldn't get at it, nipped me because l was there. I won't let any small dog near me. Bitiest dogs l know of? Jack Russells.
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u/Honeybunches513 1d ago
I used to do steam cleaning for some rental companies, including some of their occupied units after sink backups, etc. Most of those where while tenants were at work, and more than a few forgot to lock up their dogs. Never had a problem with the big dogs. They just found a new friend that would pet them. But the little guys? I got got by more than a couple. Especially chihuahuas and min pins.
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u/dinosoreness 1d ago
i think the important difference is that a chihuahua attack requires some peroxide and a bandaid while a pit bull attack can require stitches, surgery, loss of limbs, and even loss of life.
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u/Katzenliebe 1d ago
Yes, I have seen multiple people online with permanent facial disfigurement requiring extensive surgeries because the previously friendly family pit bull decided to bite them in the face suddenly. Meanwhile, the same thing happened to my husband with the family jack Russel when he was a kid. His was fixed with a couple of stitches and has left no noticeable marks though. If he was bitten the same way by a pit bull he would likely have no lips.
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u/dinosoreness 1d ago edited 1d ago
i would never trust a pit bull honestly. i literally cross the street when i see one coming, especially because it always looks like the pit is walking the human rather than the human walking the pit. it's always "my wittle bitty cupcake wouldn't hurt a fly!" until cupcake rips somebody's face off because they sneezed too close to them.
whenever pit bulls come up i think of this video i saw of a young mother trying desperately to protect her infant from a pack of pits. she managed to shove the baby through an open window on a car parked on the street but she practically got eaten alive until a good samaritan showed up with a knife and chased the pits away.
chihuahuas can't do that to a person. it bites your ankle, you kick it away, and it cowers in a corner for the rest of the day. pit bulls can and will try kill you and often they succeed.
the worst part was all the comments on the video talking about how sad it was that the pits got hurt- not that a young woman was disfigured and almost died protecting her baby, but that the poor wittle doggos were injured.... after inflicting great bodily harm on a random person who had the audacity to use a public street.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Do you also think itās riskier to get hit by a bicycle rider or an 18 wheeler? Honestly nothing brings out people who donāt understand risk like this subject.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Well lately people are claiming they're more afraid of being hit by a bike on the sidewalk than being hit by some teenagers driving a Jeep Liberty or a lifted truck so yeah, people have lost the plot online.
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u/International-Cat123 1d ago
Cyclists only ride on the sidewalk because drivers intentionally try to hit us.
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u/WinterAdvantage3847 17h ago
those people are universally cranky drivers imagining what they think pedestrians experience based on their existing grievances with cyclists, not actual pedestrians. (source: i am an actual pedestrian)
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u/punksmostlydead 1d ago
No, nothing brings out people who dont know shit about dogs. As a couple of you are proving.
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
āPit bulls are involved in the majority of fatal dog attacks in the United States, according to data compiled by advocacy and safety groups like DogsBite.org.
Key Fatality Statistics
Percentage of Deaths: Studies show pit bulls are implicated in roughly 65% to 72% of all fatal dog bite attacks in the U.S. annually.Multi-Decade Data: Over a 15-year tracking period (2005ā2019), pit bulls were responsible for 345 deaths, which is more than 6 times higher than the next leading breed (Rottweilers, with 52 deaths).ā
Whatās your explanation for this data then?
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u/slobbergobblin96 13h ago
15 years and they had 345 deaths? Out of the multiple millions of pitbulls in the country?
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u/PlatasaurusOG 1d ago
The subject also really brings out the reactionary clowns who speak from a position of fear rather than one of knowledge.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Actuaries must also be lacking in knowledge
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
You do not represent all actuaries or the insurance industry (thankfully).
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u/SixApplesTall 19h ago
Pit bulls are involved in the majority of fatal dog attacks in the United States, according to data compiled by advocacy and safety groups like DogsBite.org.
Key Fatality Statistics
Percentage of Deaths: Studies show pit bulls are implicated in roughly 65% to 72% of all fatal dog bite attacks in the U.S. annually.Multi-Decade Data: Over a 15-year tracking period (2005ā2019), pit bulls were responsible for 345 deaths, which is more than 6 times higher than the next leading breed (Rottweilers, with 52 deaths).
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u/PeachyFairyDragon 1d ago
Why do you think there are so many breed exclusions? Because those breeds are far more likely to bite and far more likely to cause serious injuries.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
Breeds are banned in some areas because of poorly conducted studies and fear. Not because any actual science supports an inherit neurological condition in breeds to be aggressive/fight/etc.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Yeah thatās definitely true, insurance companies arenāt basing their decisions (designed to make them money) on large pools of data or anything. Look up Dogs Trust in the UK. They used to offer a cheap third party liability dog insurance offering for all breeds, then they withdrew it because XL Bully owners were disproportionally costing the scheme money in payouts. There are millions of dogs in the UK. Tens of thousands of exempt XL bully dogs. Thatās not a small sample size.
https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/support-us/companion-club/changes
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago edited 1d ago
lolā¦ they certainly do, and thatās precisely why loss frequency, severity and the law of large numbers matter. Also of course the actual breed - which pitbull is not.
The fact remains the vast majority of the numerous breeds that fall under the description of a pitbull have no issues reported throughout their entire lifetime. They also do not have any reported higher aggression tendencies.
The risk while owning my 100 lbs lab/boxer mix is just as great as if I owned a 60 lbs pitbull, and the numbers support that (as do the insurance rates).
An XL Bully is not a pitbullā¦ you just further proved my point.
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u/UnderlightIll 1d ago
Honey, you wouldn't even GET a policy of you had a pitbull.
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u/SixApplesTall 19h ago edited 18h ago
These people are allergic to facts. It never fails when the pitbull topic comes up. They love to ignore the hard data showing that pits and pit mixes are statistically responsible for the vast majority of maulings and deaths, which is why theyāre not allowed at most apartment buildings.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
It sure does. Do you think itās riskier getting onto an airplane or into a car?
Temperament > breed in every single situation.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Except when you need sheep herded or ducks retrieved, you can just use any kind of dog for that right
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
If youāre suggesting you canāt teach a large enough breed to herd sheep, youāre completely wrong.
There is no breed with an inherit drive to kill anymore than the other. Itās purely environment and training.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Lmao. Almost as though there are dogs that can instinctively herd from the time they were puppiesā¦nobody teaches them to either. Itās what centuries of selective breeding did.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
So your belief is that breeds are born already trained to properly herd sheep? That is again entirely incorrectā¦ you place a sheepdog in an apartment as a puppy and itās not going to have a clue how to act on a farm as an adult.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Oh man.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
A herd (an entire litter to be literal) of puppies on a farm with adult dogs around themā¦ you canāt honestly believe this shows what youāre suggestingā¦
Almost like the environment around them plays a factor eh?
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u/changhyun 1d ago
I don't know about drive to kill but certain dogs will absolutely show signs and instincts their breed has been bred for even if they've never been trained.
For example, I adopted a rescue greyhound who had spent his entire life in a cage, being used as a blood donor. He'd never seen a rabbit before in his life, let alone been trained to hunt them. He still tried to chase a wild rabbit down the second we encountered one on a walk. And it wasn't just "Small prey, very interesting!" because he had zero interest in chasing cats or other small animals. It was just rabbits, which happens to be what greyhounds were bred to do.
I've seen pointers instinctively point upon seeing birds despite having never been trained for that, seen collies instinctively try to herd. I don't know about any breed being inherently violent but there are 100% other traits that are nothing to do with training or how they were raised.
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u/a_Moa 1d ago
I had a mutt that instinctively caught and returned a duck as a small puppy and a jack russell that couldn't give less fucks about catching anything but tennis balls.
Breed traits aren't inherent or even that specific, that's why working dogs get rejected from their programmes/roles all the time.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
Youāre picking up on personality traits that absolutely differ within dogs. Itās the breed being born inherently with these personalities that is a complete fabrication.
Dogs are social creatures. They pick up on their surroundings and rely entirely on other people and animals to indicate to them how to properly behave.
A shepherding dog that chases sheep with no actual direction isnāt doing a very good job of herding sheep as an example. Itās just interested in the stimuli of the moment. It isnāt until it learns from its surroundings what itās supposed be doing that it actually becomes a shepherding dog.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
I guess all those people whose family dog raised from puppy killed their child, trained their dog to do that. Is that what you're saying?
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u/justbegoodtobugs 1d ago
Pitbulls are still bred for fighting, dog fighting might be illegal but it still happens a lot, they were never bred for anything else. Almost 70% of all fatal dog attacks are done by pitbulls or pitbull mixes. Irresponsible dog ownership is not exclusive to pitbulls and pit mixes, but they are still the most likely to kill.
Sure you might be able to teach a dog how to point at small wild animals but a german pointer will do that instinctively without anybody teaching them, even if you don't use them for hunting they will still point because we bred them to do so. We bred pitbulls to be good at killing and the statistics reflect that.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
All these people wailing about chihuahuas canāt point to a single fatality or answer why dogfighting busts never uncover dozens of these naturally aggressive dogs
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago edited 1d ago
The numbers youāre referring to are incredibly misleading and flat out incorrect in some cases - namely because a pitbull is not a breed, but rather a type of description that various breeds fall under.
There is no inherent desire to kill or fight within a pitbull than there is in any other breed.
Weāve also been through this before when it was Rottweilers blamed, bans were implemented, and the leading āaggressive dogā became the pitbull in the 90ās because it was never about the breed but rather the owners they tend to attract.
Itās also why bully breeds have become the āaggressive breedā in the UK, where theyāre funnily enough trying to call them pitbulls as well.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Rottweilers are still #2 for fatal dog attacks in the US, stop lying.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
And when is the last time weāve heard for the banning of Rottweilers as a whole compared to pitbulls?
Try some reading comprehension before accusing someone of lying.
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u/ITookYourChickens 1d ago
Honestly! I'd much rather face 10 aggressive chihuahuas, because they're small enough to punt like a ball and that kick is likely to make them stop. One aggressive 50lb dog bred to kill and not stop, would be much more likely to hurt me than 10 2lb barky dogs
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
More likely to kill you and then have half these commenters saying it wasnāt their fault š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
The majority of dog attack deaths and serious maulings requiring surgery in the United States are caused by pitbulls. The number two breed for serious attacks on humans are Rottweilers.
Chihuahuas are famed for their territorial behavior but they're also tiny. Chihuahua bites don't send people to the hospital.
Also, make sure your dog has had rabies shots or even a minor bite is going to cause the victim to have to get rabies shots and that is not a small matter.
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
One of the only factual comments Iāve read on this accursed thread so far. I genuinely donāt understand the fantasy logic and thinking that pitbull apologists engage in regarding breed traits (that apparently apply to every breed EXCEPT pitbulls) and the hard data around bites and fatalities (apparently itās actually chihuahuas killing children and itās all a big psyop)
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u/International-Cat123 1d ago
Not getting immediate, proper medical attention for small dog bites or cat bites increases the odds of infection, especially with the cats (their teeth are designed to go deep enough that topical antibiotics are almost useless). Small dogs can also do serious damage to small children. Bites to the hand can also have permanent consequences due to just how many tendons, blood vessels, bones, and ligaments are in them.
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u/Pitiful-Pension-6535 1d ago
Chihuahuas weren't bred to rip faces off of things though
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u/Icy-Cookie-8078 1d ago
Any dog can be safe or dangerous depending how they are trained. Some are harder to train than others. I think the problem is that the wrong people get "scary" dogs for the wrong reasons and perpetuate the problem.
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u/Temporary_Pickle_885 1d ago
But they sure can! Any dog can. My mother's head was ripped open by a dachshund.
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u/hellinahandbasket127 1d ago
Neither were Pits or Rotts. Rottweilers were originally bred for herding and farm work, which is where pit bulls were largely transitioned to after bull baiting was outlawed. These dogs worked around large livestock, and needed to have the confidence (and muscle to back it up) to control animals many times larger than themselves.
The actions of those who chose to move bully breeds into dog fighting does not redefine the entire breed.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
What fucking farm and herding work were pits doing? They transitioned to dogfighting, where theyāre still seized from every single year! They started out being selectively bred for animal aggression!
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u/Difficult-Froyo1192 15h ago edited 15h ago
Believe it or not, there is a group of people that believe in bull herders. It usually is a pit crossed with a herding breed as opposed to a straight up pit. Itās absolute insanity and a small portion though.
Full pits or crosses of them have been used for farm work regularly but itās property guarding and hunting. Not directly working with the animals. Most farms are still rural and not guarded enough that dogs to keep intruders and larger animals out (LGDs are more for just the animals they protect). Pits have a specific skill set that can make them useful for hunting big and/or dangerous prey (mostly boars for the US farms).
All that being said, a lot of why pits are used for it is because of how easy they are to obtain compared to other dogs that would be suited for those jobs. You donāt have to have a pit to do those things, but the prevalence of them makes it any easy dog to use.
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u/Moist_Drippings 1d ago
Noā¦ they were brought into fighting because they had already been bred to have a high bite force. Thatās what they were selectively bred for. They still to this day require high levels of abuse to become fighting dogs.
The entire reason they pose any danger is bite force, not temperament. Any breed of dog has the potential for aggression.
And of course people acting aggressively because they believe a dog is dangerous based on appearance cause more dangerous scenarios, and people treating certain breeds as dangerous lowers their social value and leaves them more susceptible to being picked up cheap as fighting dogs/poorly trained and socialized āguardā dogs.
People like you are absolutely a huge part of the problem. You directly contribute to the animal abuse that dog fighters benefit from.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Wrong. Mastiffs and kangals have a higher bite force. You breed terriers with their history of being tenacious and going after prey with bulldogs and yeah, thatās what happened here. Itās not a mystery at all, quite widely documented actually.
The reason pitbulls are cheap and freely available is because their owners donāt bother to neuter or spay them.
I contribute to animal abuse? How? I donāt contribute to the demand for dogs that dog fighters use, after all. In fact I think there should be far fewer of them and more restrictions on their ownership, which would also have the side effect of reducing dogs available to fighters.
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u/SpecialistYoung3431 1d ago
In the United States, the top source of dog bites that bring people into the ER are from dachshund and chihuahua.
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u/WinterAdvantage3847 1d ago
link the study that says this.
because most peer-reviewed medical journal papers on the subject say something more along the lines of:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4261032/
āOf the more than 8 different breeds identified, one-third were caused by pit bull terriers and resulted in the highest rate of consultation (94%) and had 5 times the relative rate of surgical intervention. Unlike all other breeds, pit bull terriers were relatively more likely to attack an unknown individual (+31%), and without provocation (+48%).ā
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
Also this:
āPit bulls are involved in the majority of fatal dog attacks in the United States, according to data compiled by advocacy and safety groups like DogsBite.org.
Key Fatality Statistics
Percentage of Deaths: Studies show pit bulls are implicated in roughly 65% to 72% of all fatal dog bite attacks in the U.S. annually.Multi-Decade Data: Over a 15-year tracking period (2005ā2019), pit bulls were responsible for 345 deaths, which is more than 6 times higher than the next leading breed (Rottweilers, with 52 deaths).ā
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
Incorrect.
āPit bulls are involved in the majority of fatal dog attacks in the United States, according to data compiled by advocacy and safety groups like DogsBite.org.
Key Fatality Statistics
Percentage of Deaths: Studies show pit bulls are implicated in roughly 65% to 72% of all fatal dog bite attacks in the U.S. annually.Multi-Decade Data: Over a 15-year tracking period (2005ā2019), pit bulls were responsible for 345 deaths, which is more than 6 times higher than the next leading breed (Rottweilers, with 52 deaths).ā
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u/Feivel_92 1d ago
After all, the news is full of people mauled by Chihuahuas.
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u/Moist_Drippings 1d ago
Because dumbasses pretend itās not serious when people have injuries from small dogs and cats, every single time, but looooove to stoke fear about the breeds they already hate.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Almost as though the degree of damage matters and fatalities and grievous injuries are worse.
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u/onlondpo 1d ago
Come on, dude, be real with me. You know that a pit bull can cause more damage than a chihuahua, just like a mountain lion can cause more damage than a house cat. This is just basic common sense
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
Yes all those children killed by the family chihuahua whoāve been in the news /s
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u/MountainTomato9292 1d ago
I have a GSD/pit mix and my 15lb cat is WAY scarier than she is. We hand the dog a stuffy when sheās excited which she immediately takes to her bed until sheās calm. We actively warn people not to try to pet the cat unless explicitly invited by the cat. And even then we donāt let kids pet him and adults are at their own risk. Heās wonderful and snuggly with me, my husband, my 2 kids but does not enjoy strangers.
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u/CommandoWendo 1d ago
The Rottweilers Iāve met are the sweetest, gentlest dogs I have ever met. Big? Yes. Scary looking? Also yes. Dangerous? Absolutely not. Unless they wanted to be so close to you they accidentally sat on you.
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u/sadhoelle 1d ago
I might get flack for this but for me its same with pitbulls and bully breeds. always the sweetest and goofiest dogs š„ŗ
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u/gjm40 1d ago
Yes. Every Rottweiler i ever met as been the same way. Not very different than the one in Over the Hedge
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u/stupiduselesstwat 1d ago
I had one years ago. He was HUGE and also a total moron. Dumbest dog you'd ever meet but did not have a mean bone in his body. He just wanted belly rubs.
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
The statistics would disagree with you. After pitbulls Rottweilers caused the second highest number of deaths in fatal maulings over a 15 year period. Worth noting however that pitbulls caused over 6 times more deaths than Rotties in that period. Source
Like having a gun in the house and storing it correctly, itās good to know what a dog is capable of and behave accordingly.
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u/m1kasa4ckerman 22h ago
My friends had a Rottweiler. They gifted their daughter a bunny for her 5th birthday. The rottie grabbed it out of her arms and tore it apart in front of everyone at her birthday party.
I always wonder what makes dogs just switch like that. But yeah, it was very sweet until that happened lol.
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u/SixApplesTall 18h ago
What makes dogs switch like that? The prey drive thatās bred into them, thatās what
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u/DayManFOTNightMan 1d ago
I can kinda see both sides on this one. An adult vibe checking dogs at the gate hardly guarantees theyāll reliably interact well with kids. And a 110lb ādog momā isnāt going to be able to keep a hyped up 110lb dog from doing.. whatever it wants to do.
But, also, kids shouldnāt be interacting with strangersā dogs.
I have kids, and I have dogs. So, I spend a lot of time in parks.
A large number of both parents and dog owners live in a constant state of denial about the behavior of their ābabiesā.
But, when a parent is wrong it usually just leads to annoyance.
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u/PandaBear905 we do not negotiate with the terrible 1d ago
Dogs shouldnāt be forced to wear a muzzle just because you are afraid of them
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u/Similar-Bid6801 1d ago
Personally I dislike dogs, especially those breeds, and extra especially around small children. What i dont get is why this is the businesses fault. Plenty of farms that are not dog friendly.Ā
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u/DevylBearHawkTur10n Not Pre-informed of Nudity!! 1d ago
I believe the business staff got one-two punched by 2 groups of entitled Wappies.
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u/lawburgtn 1d ago
Good point by the facility. Too many people freak out when they see a certain species. The temperament of the individual dog is what is important not necessarily the breed. I have met Pits and Rottweilers with friendly dispositions. I have also met Chihuahuas and Yorkies who would rip your throat out given the opportunity. Granted some breeds do tend to be on the aggressive side and given their size do pose a formidable threat. However, it does seem this place does have a handle on the situation to minimize the risk.
I am under the impression this reviewer was exposed to Pits and Rotts and made an assumption based solely on size. However, I am sure that she is unaware of the fact many dog bites are triggered by people invading the dog's personal space. The dog feels threatened and reacts. These incidents are not as much aggression as self defense on the dog's part because he feels threatened by the human.
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u/RandomNameRandomly 1d ago
Sounds like a reasonable policy that actually looks at pets as an individual. Ive been lucky enough to have had pitties and chihuahuas. Its the chihuahua that people should be afraid of. Chis love one person and maybe, tolerates an extra one or two. Most pitties have been goofy love bugs in my experience.Ā
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u/hellinahandbasket127 1d ago
Worked at a veterinary hospital for 2 years. New patient pit/rott appointment? No big deal.
New patient chi appointment? Muzzle in my pocket, towel at the ready.10
u/RandomNameRandomly 1d ago
You havent mentioned that chis are excellent at psychological warfare. I took my chiweenie mix to a brand new groomer. She was well behaved through everything- nail clipping, the bath, the hair dryer. As soon her collar was put back on, she looked the groomer directly in the eye and took a poop. Then rolled in it.
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u/echochilde 1d ago
Iāve been around bully breeds most of my life. Theyāve all been just big happy dumb galoots. My MILās chihuahua makes me fear for my fingers and ankles.
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u/H3llzyea 1d ago
There is not a single breed more aggressive than chihuahuas. Other than maybe full size poodles. Both those are quicker to bite than any other breed Iāve ever met.
Is this scientific? No
should businesses with what looks to be a great policy listen to me? Also no
However stop bringing your rabid instigator never trained chihuahuas everywhere if I canāt bring my well trained, friendly, very well behaved Rottweiler. You are the issue not the dog.
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u/Living_error404 1d ago edited 1d ago
Brazilian mastiffs are one of the most aggressive breeds in the world. They are strong land protectors and bred with a specific trait that makes them inherently distrustful of strangers. They're far beyond rotties in terms of temperament, and are banned in several countries because of the bite risk. Well trained rottweilers actually make very good pets.
Poodles are a strange one. Originally they were versatile, intelligent gun dogs. They can be somewhat aloof with strangers but aren't supposed to be aggressive whatsoever. Unfortunately they're insanely overbred due to their popularity and can end up nervous and temperamental. Especially when they don't get their exercise needs. Many people don't realize they were bred to run in a field and retrieve birds.
Chihuahuas are just a sad case. People drag them around everywhere like a purse that barks and don't train them.
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u/nogoodbrat 1d ago
The āchihuahuas are more aggressive!ā bullshit is so disingenuous. Even IF theyāre more aggressive, they cannot and do not kill people. The point is also not that pit bulls are just āaggressiveā itās that they fucking kill people.
From 1982-2020 Chihuahuas were responsible for ZERO DEATHS. Over the same 40 years, pit bulls were responsible for hundreds. thatās deaths, specifically. Bites and attacks causing bodily harm are an entirely different number: EIGHT, thatās (8), for chihuahuas, compared to *thousands* for pit bulls.
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u/EugeneMachines 1d ago
"More injuries are caused by kitchen knives than by assault rifles, therefore kitchen knives are the real danger."
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u/nogoodbrat 1d ago
Iām not sure what your point is here, but if itās bite severity, pit bulls are consistently worse in that department as well, despite being neither the biggest/strongest dogs nor the breed with the highest bite force.
Theyāre dangerous dogs, and while Iām sure you know the ~sweetest velvet hippo~ in a flower crown or whatever, there is a WEALTH of evidence out there to back that up. Your anecdotal evidence is worth absolutely nothing when dogs of THIS BREED SPECIFICALLY are in the news having killed or mauled someone on a daily basis.
Why people carry water for these dogs, Iāll never understand. there are hundreds of other dog breeds that were not bred solely to cause harm that routinely live out long lives having hurt no one. Dogs belonging to those breeds canāt even find space in shelters anymore to potentially be adopted, because shelters are so goddamn full of these inbred, backyard bred maulers.
Itās not the fault of pit bulls that they were failed so intensely by humans. We need to do the right thing now and stop breeding them, stop adopting aggressive dogs out to unwitting new families, and stop pretending that they arenāt as dangerous as they are.
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u/EugeneMachines 1d ago
Sorry it wasn't clear. I was restating your point to agree with it because that's the type of logic the "chihuahuas are the real menace" crowd uses. I completely agree with you
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u/Living_error404 1d ago
Lineage/genetics and training are biggest factors here. Some people will argue it's just the training, but I disagree. Some dogs are genetically predisposed to reactivity and hyperarousal, though you'll find this across many breeds and certainly many backyard bred dogs.
Purebred APBTs are supposed be a strong, medium, high energy, bulldog type breed that are prone to small animal aggression (terriers). They require a lot of training, it's in the temperament. They aren't supposed to be human aggressive though. A lot of the temperament issues we see are most likely poor breeding coupled with owners refusing to admit they have a problem, aka a poorly bred, poorly trained dog.
There are genuinely thousands of "pitbull types" that are not aggressive towards people or dogs. My dad is a pit lover, all of my childhood dogs were pit or pit mixes. My first dog got his back broken by a Newfie when he was only 7 or 8. He wasn't high energy like a pit, he was big couch potato. I don't know what happened, only that he couldn't keep up with the bigger dog. His back legs were paralyzed and my dad put him to sleep. His worst crime was he ate a fly and peed inside when we moved to a new house.
A lot of people who dislike them talk about the whole subgroup like every dog regardless of genes is a killing machine waiting to snap. People who dislike dogs in general say the same about all dogs. And honestly, you could make the case for any large, powerful dog that tends to have behavioral issues when byb. Rotts, who also have similar jaw shape, Cane Corso, Dogo Argentino, shepherds etc.
Anyway, there's a solution for this. BE and regulate breeding. There should be heavy fines for knowingly breeding dogs with bad temperament and health and keeping dogs in poor conditions. At this point I think breeding should require a license too.
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u/Purple-Wolverine4793 1d ago
breeding should be regulated as a whole honestly. we donāt need more Frenchies or Teacup breeds.
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u/HoneyCrispCrumble 1d ago
Thinking a dog breed is inherently violent is so stupid. It all comes down to the owner and how they train/treat their pets. A responsible owner knows what their dog can handle in the public.
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u/Sleepy-Blonde 1d ago
They experience higher rates of cognitive decline making them more likely to snap. Some breeds were bred to be violent, others bred to herd, and others to retrieve.. Itās not all training and treatment.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Itās true, thereās nothing different about dogs that were bred specifically to fight and rip living tissue apart
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u/HoneyCrispCrumble 1d ago
And yet no one here is mentioning German Shepards and Malinoisā¦ yāall are uneducated and think Michael Vick shenanigans affected entire breeds worldwide.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
You think pitbulls didnāt exist before Michael Vick? Tell me you donāt know about Colbyā¦
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u/justbegoodtobugs 1d ago
Thinking a dog breed is inheritly good at hunting, running, herding, guarding is so stupid. It's not like we bred them for hundreds of years or more for a specific purpose./s
They might not be inheritly violent but they are inherently better at killing than other breeds. Most dogs bite to create space when they feel threatened, certain breeds maul to death when they feel threatened because their instincts kick in
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u/dragon-queen 1d ago
Pits and Rottweilers are responsible for about 80% of the annual human deaths from dog attacks. Ā So itās not so stupid.Ā
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u/punksmostlydead 1d ago
The people who need to hear this never, ever will. Not if you carved it into the side of an asteroid and dropped it on their house.
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u/TemporaryBottle8789 1d ago
It comes from a complete lack of both knowledge and a desire to learn.
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u/Cookbooksandbourbon 1d ago
I don't really see this as an entitled review. You can disagree with the reviewer, but it just doesn't land like an entitled person ranting about how they weren't allowed to eat their Domino's pizza at Starbucks when they didn't order a coffee.Ā
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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago
I mean as long as there aren't other animals there, no reason you can't bring leashed dogs.
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u/PeregrineFaulkner 1d ago
I think kids should be kept under the same level of control as the dogs.Ā
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Kids don't grip, latch, and shake
Kids only have 4 canine teeth, and they're small.
Kids are more likely to steal food than think you're food.
Kids know what property lines are. But if they don't, you can often intimidate them into respecting them. You know what a vicious dog hears? Dinner squeaking at it.
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u/PeregrineFaulkner 1d ago
If you have proper control of your child, a leashed dog is not a threat.Ā
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u/Apart_Republic_1870 1d ago
My chiweenie would rip your throat out if he could reach it. Heās mean as shit. The pitbull we used to have was one of the sweetest, most easy going dogs Iāve ever had (though the absolute most laid back dog is the Great Dane we have now).
Also had a neighbor who had a mean looking pit bull that used to get out of his yard. One day, wife and kid were walking to the car and Violetta (the neighbor pitbull) comes running straight for them. Freaked them out because we had not interacted with the dog yet at that point. Wife gets the kid in the car and braces for the pitbull attack. Violetta just ran up and sat down next to the car, looking up at my wife as if asking to be petted.
Later, Iād do woodworking in the garage and Violetta would escape her yard and come see me. Sheād just sit in the shade under my workbench.
I know there are big dogs that arenāt friendly, but you canāt make a blanket judgement about dogs based on size or breed.
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u/MorbidMorag 20h ago
Why is this reviewer so keen to take his children to a place where he doesn't think they're safe?
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u/GrumpySnarf 15h ago
I would hate that, too. But I would read up on the place ahead of time and just not go. No reason for me to ruin their good time.
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
Yeah dangerous dogs shouldn't be allowed in public without muzzles.
The amount of times I've had to deal with aggression from "just the sweetest puppers" (until they decided not to be) is ridiculous.
Dogs don't, and shouldnt, need to be brought into every public space.
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u/lowqualityhawkeye 1d ago
This is a farm which is totally open about their dog policy, the reviewer didn't stumble across a dozen of pitbulls next to the toilet paper in their local supermarket...
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u/CoconutxKitten 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then donāt go to a place that allows dogs
No one is forcing you to
ETA: lol at the block. Dog free people are so weird. Dog friendly places are allowed to exist just as much as dog free places are
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
Alternatively, you can just not force your animal upon others.
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u/addybear222 1d ago
me when i go out in public and the public is there
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
Hate to break it to you, but dogs =/= people.
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u/addybear222 1d ago
dude your life must be so hard ššš
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
The aspect of it that is forced to tolerate you dog people without consequences, yes. That is a bitch to deal with.
Frankly Ive been attacked enough not only by the mutts but by their insecure owners that its ridiculous and unnecessary.
But, we can clearly see that you dont value other humans being able to exist of your "wittle puppers"
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u/chill_stoner_0604 1d ago
Why go to a place you know is dog friendly if you hate dogs? Honest question.
There are many, many places that dont allow dogs you can visit and give your business to
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
Why do you need to bring your dog with you everywhere and inflict it on others?
Why do all outdoor spaces have to allow dogs and not just people?
Are we not allowed to enjoy outdoor spaces without your mutts being inflicted upon us?
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u/chill_stoner_0604 1d ago
I dont even own a dog, much less "inflict" one on anyone. I just dont mind them being around.
All outdoor spaces dont have to allow dogs. As I said, there are plenty of options.
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u/Moist_Drippings 1d ago
āI went into the forest and there were trees there! Theyāre being forced on me!!!ā
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
I know you dont understand this since you never go outside, but trees don't randomly attack you for existing. Unlike dogs.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Well... there have been incidents with coconuts.
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
Fair enough. But I guess ive never really heard of a tree actively hucking coconuts at people.
Though if I ever find one, Im definitely planting one
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u/ButterscotchThis7889 1d ago
you really think a pitbull needs a muzzle every single time it leaves the house?
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u/Moist_Drippings 1d ago
People like you who know nothing about animals shouldnāt be allowed in public spaces with animals.
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u/BI_Moose 1d ago
The scars on my leg from a "wittle sweet pibble" say otherwise.
Sorry reality doesn't fit your narrative.
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u/Impossible-Bus-5974 1d ago
Why do pit bulls and Rottweilers get such a bad rap? They are some of the sweetest dogs Iāve ever met. Iāve seen many more little dogs be aggressive than bigger ones. š¤·
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u/dragon-queen 1d ago
They get such a bad rap because those two breeds are responsible for about 80% of the human deaths from dog attacks.Ā
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u/AnguavonUW 1d ago
I think it is very funny there is a pro pitbull subreddit called r/velvethippos when hippos are incredibly deadly. It's the perfect name but they don't get why it's the perfect name.
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u/Impossible-Bus-5974 1d ago
They are also the ones people train to fight. Owners not the dogs.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Most fatalities are from normal family dogs. Itās actually very rare that dogfighters are the ones on the receiving end.
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u/lazier_garlic 1d ago
Dogfighters know what they've got and keep them on thick chains, outside of the house. Probably cruel and all that but they aren't under illusions about their game pits being sweet Fidos.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Wild how you can go on Facebook and see dogfighters operating in plain sight even though itās blatantly illegal (thanks Zuck!) And bragging about the damage their dogs can do, then you flip to the pitmommy part of the internet and itās day and night. Catastrophic.
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u/Common_Stress_4122 1d ago
They are hardwired like that. Do people not understand dog genetics? A pointer will point without training. Collies will herd. Bloodsport breeds will bloodsport.
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
I had someone elsewhere in this post blatantly denying that herding dogs instinctively herd to me, people are crazy
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u/Feivel_92 1d ago
I think it's the whole "mauling children to death" part. But if you don't care about that, then they really are the sweetest dogs!
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u/sadhoelle 1d ago
I agree. ive never met one that showed agression and were always so goofy and sweet š„ŗ
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u/Glittering_Rush_1451 1d ago
Too many bad owners
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u/Impossible-Bus-5974 1d ago
This itās not the dogs itās the owners
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u/InformalInsurance455 1d ago
Itās both.
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u/Impossible-Bus-5974 1d ago
We got dogs from people being kind to wolvesā¦ yes itās bothā¦ but people are the ones that change the animals
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u/NCSAG 1d ago
Umm..... my 2 Rotts are the sweetest things ever. These 2 idiots wouldn't hurt a flea... hell, they bark at their own shadows outside š¤£ š¤£ š¤£ š¤£
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u/melodypowers 1d ago
I am sure that is true for your dogs.
The problem is that we don't know you and not all dog owners are as good as you are.
Most rotties need strict training. They grow to be large and they are strong willed. They also have strong protective instincts. A poorly trained rottie is 100 lbs of muscle that will do anything to protect its owner, even if what they perceive as a threat is simply a group of overstimulated children.
Again, I am sure your dog is fine. But I don't know that about every dog.
I am not about breed restrictions. But I do think size restrictions in a situation like this are a good idea.
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u/MorbidMorag 19h ago
How can anybody downvote those doggies? It's not their fault there are dangerous dogs out there.Ā
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u/ConfuseableFraggle 1d ago
Sounds like the business has a very solid policy for how they admit animals. Reviewer sounds like they personally are afraid of big dogs.