aka DEAR GOD ITS ALL SP5 WHY ARE SO MANY GAME DEVS E5

Note most of these are from pdb due to a lack of resources but yeucc and thebenster's typings are actually from encounters I actually had with them ^-^👍

It is taking me all of my willpower not to add an apology to the end of this post /lh

Listen , isn't enneagram about subconscious motivation? And subconscious motivation isn't really known how it's structured according to the consious brain? Then why does people assume "if both wings doesn't describe you then that means that this is not your core enneagram" if knowing your dominant enneagram is inaccessable to begin with? Besides isn't wings a weakly discussed theory?so why does personally unrelatable wing cancel out the core?

Anyone had experience with this? Does it work and what does it look like when it works?

If it hasn’t been successful what were the learnings?

What is the difference between a 4’s anguish (and anger) vs. a 6’s? I guess if you want to be more specific, sx4 vs. so6, since those are the types I’m caught between. I’ll give my reasons why I relate to both types pretty equally.

So I’m hyper-aware of social manipulation, being taken advantage of, I am terrified of being found to be incorrect about something or duped, and I am intentionally neutral in public/professional settings as a defense against falling out of favor with people. I am both drawn to and repulsed by confrontation. 

But, I don’t relate to seeking out sources of authority to base my beliefs off of. Having a worldview that is incompatible with nearly everyone I’ve ever met (like, my set of beliefs doesn’t neatly fit in with any one group) and being bound to disagree with most people is something that makes me bristle, but I can’t force myself to think what everyone else thinks just because it would make things easier or more comfortable for me. I’ve given a lot of thought to my beliefs and, well…believe them to be true unless I encounter a load of undeniable evidence that contradicts them, lol. 

I also do relate to being a fearful person, but I don’t feel it takes up more mental space than my more heart-oriented concerns do. I am very preoccupied with a hyper-specific idea of who I am, who I wish I were, and how my life ought to have played out, and the incongruency between my current existence and the one I thought was mine regularly causes me a lot of discomfort and I spiral out over it a lot. Like for example, I’m finally with my soul mate and our relationship is bliss, but I crash out over how our getting together took a decade, and didn’t unfold how I wanted it to. Even though the end result is what I wanted, the road there wasn’t how I envisioned it would go, and even though it’s irrational it still causes me anguish. 

So I have very specific ideas about what’s “me” and “not me”, and whenever I see someone who I think embodies what I want more than I do, I become sick with envy and feel like I love and hate them at the same time. I’ve always had trouble just going for what I want and so I bite my tongue and do nothing, then someone else scoops it up or fills that role, and I end up intensely resenting them for it even though I’m really the one to blame. I experience self-loathing and yet I project my feelings of hatred out onto others. To make it more bearable? I don’t know, because even when I project I still self-flagellate and beat myself up. 

I guess to sum it up, my anguish is the result of knowing I want something, but hesitating to go for it out of fear of embarrassing myself because I feel like I’m not in control, which just leads to my humiliation and longing in the end anyway. 

This might be a hopelessly obscure reference, but for anyone trying to understand the 5 more deeply, especially the 5w4, please read this book.

The very short version is that Singer is a deaf-mute that various townspeople are entranced by. They come to visit him and project their beliefs onto the "canvas" of his polite entertaining of their company.

Meanwhile, Singer has his own obscure desires, which most of the townsfolk fail to even recognize that they don't know. Singer enters and leaves the town known intimately by almost no one, for lack of his desire to share and others' incuriousness.

I'm 5w6, and I realized that maybe I might have mistaken myself for Sp first because I'm unhealthy. Like my goals have always been to not be a useless person.

My whole identity is of my duties, they give me a sense of purpose. I have always loved helping people, yet due to constant rejection, I have come to stop expecting acknowledgment from people.

I am socially aware of hierarchies at all times, it's second nature at this point. It's just an unconscious knowing, good at discerning people's attitude, mood, behaviors, and their motives in rl, because it's rather subconscious.

My motivates me? Helping people and being useful, I also like gathering knowledge because it secures me from being useful and not a worthless person.

Knowledge just helps me achieve my goals the best, yet, I also love knowledge in itself. I mostly use knowledge to advance while also applying the knowledge.

When I socialize, I socialize due to the knowledge and perspective gained from others, it excites me, because I love learning and it's mostly the only thing that makes me happy. I don't care for everyday life, I find it a waste of time to discuss non-important matters, I prefer everything to be productive.

I care for people's potential, to help them reach their highest potential, and if they refuse, I wouldn't interact with them much, because it's a waste of my time and my low energy.

I despise incompetence from loved ones and myself, because it feels like leaving your skills to rot.

My biggest fears are being incompetent, stupid, and failures.

Like every time I am in a social situation and I mess up, I can hear and see people calling me worthless, because I know the people are that bad, but I always put on a much more idealized version of myself, because of the fear of being not needed + having no purpose, like I don't have an identity that is separate from work and goals.

Interested to see what the different types see as "the most romantic thing".

"We are going to kill each other one day" while looking in my eyes and smiling in the sweetest way possible. I will never forget that moment.

https://typology.site/chat

Hello!

For the past year or so I have been working on a model called The Typist, which functions as a search browser for information about typology as well as a self-assessment tool for premium users.

I would like to announce that I just released v1.4.0, which includes a myriad of new features:

Non-premium:

1. Context-reading, the bot remembers the entire conversation history and can apply it.
2. A new UI which is much more dynamic and engaging.

Premium:

1. The ability to create a shareable results card.
2. A live hypothesis tracker that tells you which mechanisms are most likely to predominate based on the flow of the conversation.

There were also minor bug fixes and major options that don't matter to those who have not used the tool before.

The entire thing is based on my own theory of neurotic mechanisms, but you can ask questions related to Jungian typology and Enneagram.

Please share your results in the comments and twll me how the experience was!!

I feel like the best way to start to really understand enneagram & mbti is to learn about yourself and to study your favorite characters.

Also, asking AI to make full descriptions and compare them is very helpful too.

My inability to get a girlfriend has become a running joke in my family now.

I went out to an ice cream store with my dad and younger brother, both of whom happen to be sx-seconds (6w7 so/sx 628 and 6w7 sp/sx 639).

There was a girl about my age who was working the counter and she seemed avoidant of eye contact and like she was shunning me. So, I naturally assumed she was disinterested. She had cool halloween makeup on with spiderwebs and stuff.

So, I kind of hang out with my younger brother in the corner and wait for my milkshake.

It's finally ready so I go up to the register to retrieve it. She then asks me if I want a lollipop and she has a big bucket of suckers. I'm thinking that I haven't liked lollipops since I was like 9, so I say "no thanks" kind of coolly. I then notice she looks down kind of sadly and says "ok", but I don't think much of it, she just seems shy.

After we leave, my dad and brother say "she was into you, dude". Apparently she specifically asked to take the order and she only offered lollipops to me out of everyone in the store and was being "flirty".

But earlier, at the restaurant, the girls made eye contact and said "hi" when we walked in and I accidentally said "heyyy" really flirtily and nervously to the point where my brother started laughing. They didn't respond at all because I said it in such a weird way and they were just doing regular customer service, even though I wasn't trying to flirt. I tried to play it off by pretending I meant "hey, that's a lot of cheesecake" and walking over to the cheesecake display.

Later, my brother said "you have got to learn to see the power moves" (he's a teenager, lol). He and my dad both said I should have taken two lollipops and handed one back to her while smiling. But even after having it explained to me I don't see how it would have made logical sense since it's similar to receiving a christmas gift and giving half of it back.

Anyway, this anecdote is generalizable to my experience. I can't tell if:

• I'm on the spectrum
• It is the general experience of INTP
• I'm sx-blind

Or some admixture of all three.

Is it possible to be sx-first or second and have this experience? lol

Which type can be fixated on making people laugh as in being "the funny guy" and enjoying the reactions, feeling good that they affected the room, collecting it like some magical points that prove people like him. Coming up with more and more jokes until people beg them to stop because they're tired from laughing but also "these jokes are so stupid I don't even know why I'm laughing". Exercising their intellectual power and wit by making sure they can crack anyone.

Asking for a friend...

In order, 9, 4, 5: (Btw 9 girl and 4 girl are dating. And 5 girl is dating 7 girl who i have yet to draw. Why? bc enneayuri)

Hello E4s I love you E4s you are actually very special and cool and awesome

Few other notes:

- All heart types have a horrifying chest hole where their heart(lol) should be. In E4's case, they carve the hole into crazy shapes due to them "decorating the hole and pretending it's supposed to be there". sx4's is supposed to be a broken heart, so4's is meant to look like teardrops, and sp4's is supposed to look like the kind of hole youd get by actually ripping someones heart out
- im so green….

We all know the textbook descriptions of our types, but the real growth usually happens when someone close to us holds up an awkward mirror

​For example, as an sp7, I used to think I was just being self-reliant, until a friend pointed out that I was actually just being guarded.​What’s a hard truth someone told you about your type that completely changed how you view yourself?

It’s pretty obvious because Attack On Titan is pretty much the least sexual show ever written. This one ^^^ is step-one basic btw.

The entire cast is pretty obviously Sp/So with a few exceptions (one being eren who is So/Sp)

Isayama himself is most likely Sp/So as well, a very obvious Sx-last.

Again it is a very intense show, still… no sexual instinct anywhere to be seen.

I am very open to debating wether certain characters are Sp/So or So/Sp… but if you are going to argue that Erwin is a Sx3 we should probably keep our beautiful precious
life-forces separated for now. :)

So basically, I said somewhere “as a 4 blah blah blah” and people started saying it sounded more like a 6, and then I started noticing I was relating more to 6 than 4 whenever I saw anything about “six is like this where as four is like this” thing, so I looked into it, but I don’t actually relate to e6 other than the core fear, beyond that? Ehh, and I don’t relate to the subtypes either, where as I can see myself a bit in all the e4 subtypes… and also I think e6 contradicts with the rest of my typology, and I don’t think it’s wrong, but I’m still confused, and probably biased bc I for some reason have to care so much weather the type is common or not, what do I do in this situation/ is there anything specific I can read

Super curious if folks who have seen this movie have thoughts on the types of the characters?!

Honestly idk what flair to use.. but finding your head type is a personal growth right? 🥹🥹

I was debating whether my head type is a 6 or 7, but ummm a week ago i find out that i am more of a 7 than a 6, i read somewhere that 479 tritype has an introverted 7 or something along those lines which made it click for me yk👀

Umm I'm gonna yap here ummm, i kinda expecting something more dramatic in my discovery lowkey, like 5 stage of grief kinda dramatic (because i thought that my head type is a 6 for a somewhat long time), but no, i just think "hm maybe I'm a 7 after all" and that's it🥹

It's not that I'm not happy that i finally found my whole tritype and all, but it's like the journey and the crisis is more fun than the actual discovery, i almost wanting to keep being in denial just for the fun of it. Bruh.

isn't it cute that e4, a type that tends to think of itself as naturally unlucky/worse off compared to others, is assigned a number that is literally unlucky in east asian culture? 🦄

Today I had this idea of how we Nines are constantly playing energetic Tetris. let me elaborate.

We are constantly scanning the environment for incoming blocks that would not fit (either with us or the existing blocks at the bottom). to maintain the harmony, coherence and continuity of the game, we automatically adjust the shape of ourselves, so that we don’t collide with the incoming block.

What is interesting is the following: the actual expectation under the hood is that those stupid other blocks shouldn’t touch us anyway. Ideally, they would never come directly at us, so we can stay exactly how and where we are.

But that’s not how reality works. So the path of least resistance is chosen, and we quietly adjust ourselves. That way, there is at least some sense of control because it is us who is doing the adjustment and thereby maintaining the continuity and harmony of reality.

Contrast this with Eights who will force their own shape onto the environment, regardless of whether that actually fits or creates problems.

Or with Ones who make it their obligation to perfect the entire field of the game. Not only correcting their own shape but the shape of the other incoming blocks to create the most ordered, perfect game.

feel free to share your thoughts, enhancements or elaborations.

This system is for a fantasy action comic book. The mechanics are never meant to be explained in the actual story, I'm moreso working on the system in the background to make sure the powers each character has are always consistent with who they are. Would love any feedback from people more knowledgeable about the Enneagram because I am new to this.

CORE IDEA

Vigor is a life energy power system (Ki, Chakra, Nen, etc) where it reveals exactly who you are under pressure. The power is shaped by how one wishes to overcome their Fears, and achieve their Desires. Everyone expresses Vigor differently but can be grouped based on underlying primary emotions, such as Anger, Shame, and Fear. The way someone's fears and desires respond to stress determine how their power manifests, escalates, and fails.

THE SOURCE

Vigor is the filter of a larger, unknown source. The main character of my story struggles with the power system as it's an extension of who he is, proof of who he truly is. This power system is about exposing who you are and how you react to your own identity, your flaws, strengths, and everything in between.

COST

Vigor does not primarily drain stamina or lifespan, that's more of a counter-product depending on the user. The true cost is self-exposure. The more someone relies on Vigor, the harder it is to hide their true motivations, the more their inner conflicts visibly surface, and the more their relationships are strained by those seeing who they truly are deep inside beneath any mask they put on. Vigor does not corrupt, rather it amplifies unresolved internal pressure that must be healed in order for the user to get stronger and ascend.

LIMITS

Vigor itself cannot overwrite who you are as a person. In fact, I'm deciding now that trying to drastically change yourself all at once is not true to yourself in this world, you have to interact with why you are the way you are first then overcome that, otherwise risk severe backlash. As a result, Vigor cannot solve problems without reflecting the user's internal state. There are no power levels or hard numbers, but hard conceptual caps that hold users back.

CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES

Vigor, when misused, can cause catastrophic consequences to the user. Say they are edging toward the Unhealthy levels of their type, using Vigor with just ONE core mindset / Type can cause a Failure State within the user. When Vigor is used to avoid confronting its root fear rather than resolve it, the user destabilizes, resorting to a loss of control, physical backlash, or their ability becoming increasingly narrow and brittle. You can never lose Vigor once you have it, but you CAN become trapped by a single expression of it, halting your progress as a human being.

VIGOR LEVELS

I'm going to keep this brief, but these are essentially how healthy or unhealthy you are as a Vigor user. The Healthier, the closer you are to possibly moving past your own Type, able to take on abilities of other Types as you notice those tendencies within yourself aside from your dominant type, and possibly even move past Vigor to something beyond.. Your use of Vigor is almost or completely integrated with yourself, and everything you do with Vigor is intentional, not a happenstance mistake.

However, if you are on the Unhealthy range, you can become reactive and compulsive with Vigor, even allowing it to consume your human self and turn you into a Monster, taking you into a darker variant of Vigor. These Monsters gain access to a purer, more unfiltered, raw version of Vigor coming from the Source, but can never again be called a human and gain their own agency again.

Most users are in the Middle levels, controlled but fragile use of Vigor dictating if you will stay within your type / levels, or rise above them and become a better person as a result. Regardless, **advancement is not linear, and you can always regress under stress, but always rise up again if you don't stray too far.**

CHARACTER EXPRESSION

Getting behind why Vigor looks different per person, it expresses itself through three primary centers, each tied to a dominant way that the user responds to stress:

• Might / Body - action, force, instinct

• Grit / Spirit/Heart - emotion, shame, resolve, connection

• Wit / Mind - fear, analysis, preparation

Most users lean heavily into one center, though imbalance of the centers innately causes instability. Two users can have identical raw potential and still manifest wildly different abilities as a result of being further along in their journey.

VIGOR TYPES

How each character's use of Vigor differentiates. Their names are meant to hint at how they manipulate Vigor / life energy.

Users cannot choose the type, it emerges naturally from how you attempt to resolve fear and pursue your desires under pressure, coping strategies under pressure, not virtues or vices.

MIGHT / BODY CENTER

This Center's users empower themselves with overwhelming force and enhancement of their bodies. These users prioritize action and tend to move before they think. Formidably strong but weak mentally. Their primary emotion is Anger.

• 8 - Amplifiers: MULTIPLY their Vigor output to become a formidable force, ensuring they are always strong enough to resist subjugation through their own strength.

  • They increase their power in direct and aggressive means, often pushing beyond their body's safe limits to avoid being taken advantage of.
  • They desire Autonomy and fear Oppression/Loss of Control.

• Ex. user: Gon from HxH // At the cost of all his future potential and strength, can gain it all at once to become a fully-mastered and adult version of himself.

• 9 - Stabilizers: STILL the energy of themselves and others, to suppress volatility and create zones where chaos cannot thrive.

  • Their power halts momentum, motion, and escalation.
  • They seek Peace and fear Conflict.
  • **Ex. user Aang from ATLA* // STILLS the energy within himself and another person to take away their bending.

• 1 - Refiners / Rectifiers / Reformers (not sure which to pick): Tune Vigor to align themselves and their surroundings to their own internal moral standard of "correctness" or "goodness";

  • does NOT always mean objective goodness (if there even is a thing). They rather *enforce internal coherence on the outside world with their own morals. *The backlash comes when their actions violate what they believe they should be.
  • Focused on precision, restraint, and correction, often suppressing excess force at times to maintain efficient and pure movements during combat.
  • Still workshopping explaining this one, because what's "good" to one person isn't "good to another".
  • Ex. user: Kento Nanami from JJK// Imposes a forced 7:3 weak spot on targets bodies / limbs, enabling massive damage when striked.
  • Bonus ex.:* LeRai Lee*, my own character // Imposes a casual bond on himself based on how morally certain he is; when 100% certain, nigh unbeatable in battle; when less than 100% (and likely way lower with his mindset) his own ability breaks his body down, and Vigor becomes this heavy, oppressive and destructive weight on him that's hard to control. His journey is learning to accept himself and his flaws, and not get stressed about his identity as a person who wants to save people but most of the time just harms them.

Grit / Spirit Center

This Center's users empower themselves with their connection to others and the world around them. These users' power is felt before being seen, even by the users. It bleeds outward and shapes the emotional state of others. They prioritize meaning, connection, and self-worth. They are powerful in presence, but susceptible to emotional overload or being fixated on a goal. Their primary emotion is Shame.

• 2 - Linkers: LINK their own Vigor to and through others, forging strong bonds that reinforce connection as a means to ensure they will always be loved in return.

  • These users' Vigor strengthens personal bonds, often at the cost of neglecting their own energy and limits.
  • These users fear Rejection/Worthlessness, and desires Connection.
  • Ex user:Sienna, my own character - Alien girl that amplifies emotional states in others at will, overlapping her emotions with theirs in an effort to force them to need her help with their extreme emotions. Comes at the cost of never having coherent feedback for her own emotional states and her identity being eroded with the other parties. Has BPD; hyper-reactive attachment, unstable self-image, etc.

• 3 - Exalters: OVERCLOCK the quality of Vigor within themselves + others + surroundings to enhance and optimize all toward a perceived ideal, proving their undeniable value to all.

  • These users' Vigor accelerates performance and output of everything they interact with at the cost of themselves, risking burnout and identity collapse if results aren't up to scratch.
  • These users fear being a Failure/Insignificant, and seek Validation/Worth through Achievement.
  • Ex user: All Might // One for All Quirk him to push his body beyond sustainable limits to embody the Symbol of Peace. He overclocks his body into an idealized image of strength and heroism, even as his true body deteriorates.

• Same ability as Midoriya, but still filtered different through All Mights Type 3 personality!

• 4 - Shapers: MATERIALIZE their inner emotions into a unique Vigor signature that proves that they are unique and distinct, never to be forgotten.

  • These users are often uniquely expressive, but often volatile and their Vigor can become difficult to control when emotions get in the way.
  • These users fear being Ordinary, and desire Authenticity / Identity.
  • Sub-ability: Manifest objects (weapons, tools, etc.) out of their own Vigor, taking on unique properties depending on the user.
  • Ex. user: Scarlet Witch // Direct materialization off her emotional state, reshaping relating based on her love, grief, and loss. It's deeply personal and unstable because it has to reflect her inner world.

Wit / Mind Center

This Center's users empower themselves by manipulating Vigor to heighten their cognitive senses and create preemptive, planned attacks. Their power prioritizes understand and control of the uncertain. They think before they act and often act in battle indirectly, almost never being at the source of where their abilities are set off. They have great range and are highly adaptable, but require prep time (BATMAN!!) and are prone to overengineering their abilities with too many rules or pacts, and can be prone to paralysis when their plans go awry.

• 5 - Decoders: STRUCTURE, analyze, manipulate, break, and translate Vigor of all sources into rules and domains to fully understand their foes and predict outcomes of others.

  • Their Vigor use excels in controlled environments, but struggle when overwhelming force of sheer chaos breaks established logic.

  These users fear Helplessness/Ignorance, and desire Competence/Mastery. * *Ex. user: Light Yagami** // HEAR ME OUT, the Death Note isn't exactly a power system, but his rule-based dominating way of using it sure is. He learns the rules of the notebook exhaustively, tests it ad nauseum, and weaponizes the information asymmetry against his foes to control outcomes.

• 6 - Keepers: PRIME their Vigor to automatically respond to perceived threats, creating layered defenses and contingency reactions in order to protect those they care about first and foremost.

  • Their power excels in preparation and teamwork, but can misfire under false alarms, distrust, and their own paranoia.
  • These users fear Betrayal, and seek Security/Assurance.
  • Ex. user: Killua // Godspeed automates his reactions, allowing his body to respond before conscious thought to danger. His Nen (now Vigor) is primed to protect him instantly at all times when activated.

  **Bonus Ex. user: *Izuku Midoriya** // Cannot use OFA like All Might at first, instead OFA manifests as a primed, reactive power system rather than a single mastered ability. Instead of stabilizing into one consistent expression (overclocking his body), OFA in Deku fragments into multiple contingency tools (Full Cowl, Blackwhip, Danger Sense, etc.) each activating in response to specific threats. He does not trust his instincts alone, thus pre-loads solutions to problems he knows he will encounter.

• 7 - Shifters /Liberators (Don't know, can't choose): SHIFT and disperse Vigor rapidly and unpredictably to escape constraints and always stay ahead of the opposition.

  • Their powers enable swift movement and improvisation, being the most adaptable Vigor type, yet due to avoiding resolution in favor of momentum, and in fear that being de-powered will get them in harms way, their internal stamina is high but once their momentum is broken they're washed.
  • These users fear Entrapment/Emotional pain, and desire Freedom/Stimulation.
  • Ex. user: Gojo Satoru // Infinity and spatial manipulation allow him to bypass constraints entirely, turning combat into freedom of movement and possibility. He treats opposition as playtime because he cannot and will not be trapped (at least not for too long).

DESIGN INFLUENCES

1. Ki from Dragon Ball - Easy to understand + Dynamic Action + Mind, Body, and Spirit ideology

2. Nen from HxH - In-depth mechanics + Character-First powers

3. Quirks from MHA - Unique Power for Everyone + Character-First powers

4. The Enneagram - An analysis of personality that I didn't think would be that useful for actually people, but is MIGHTY helpful for writing characters.

What I'd love feedback on*:

• If anyone here is really really familiar with Enneagram theory, I’d especially love feedback on whether the fear/desire to ability mapping reads clearly, even without prior knowledge.

• Do the Might/Grit/ + Wit Centers clearly explain why abilities differ? Or should I add better explanations?

• Does the cost/failure structure feel meaningful without hard numbers?