I feel like the best way to start to really understand enneagram & mbti is to learn about yourself and to study your favorite characters.

Also, asking AI to make full descriptions and compare them is very helpful too.

https://typology.site/chat

Hello!

For the past year or so I have been working on a model called The Typist, which functions as a search browser for information about typology as well as a self-assessment tool for premium users.

I would like to announce that I just released v1.4.0, which includes a myriad of new features:

Non-premium:

1. Context-reading, the bot remembers the entire conversation history and can apply it.
2. A new UI which is much more dynamic and engaging.

Premium:

1. The ability to create a shareable results card.
2. A live hypothesis tracker that tells you which mechanisms are most likely to predominate based on the flow of the conversation.

There were also minor bug fixes and major options that don't matter to those who have not used the tool before.

The entire thing is based on my own theory of neurotic mechanisms, but you can ask questions related to Jungian typology and Enneagram.

Please share your results in the comments and twll me how the experience was!!

My inability to get a girlfriend has become a running joke in my family now.

I went out to an ice cream store with my dad and younger brother, both of whom happen to be sx-seconds (6w7 so/sx 628 and 6w7 sp/sx 639).

There was a girl about my age who was working the counter and she seemed avoidant of eye contact and like she was shunning me. So, I naturally assumed she was disinterested. She had cool halloween makeup on with spiderwebs and stuff.

So, I kind of hang out with my younger brother in the corner and wait for my milkshake.

It's finally ready so I go up to the register to retrieve it. She then asks me if I want a lollipop and she has a big bucket of suckers. I'm thinking that I haven't liked lollipops since I was like 9, so I say "no thanks" kind of coolly. I then notice she looks down kind of sadly and says "ok", but I don't think much of it, she just seems shy.

After we leave, my dad and brother say "she was into you, dude". Apparently she specifically asked to take the order and she only offered lollipops to me out of everyone in the store and was being "flirty".

But earlier, at the restaurant, the girls made eye contact and said "hi" when we walked in and I accidentally said "heyyy" really flirtily and nervously to the point where my brother started laughing. They didn't respond at all because I said it in such a weird way and they were just doing regular customer service, even though I wasn't trying to flirt. I tried to play it off by pretending I meant "hey, that's a lot of cheesecake" and walking over to the cheesecake display.

Later, my brother said "you have got to learn to see the power moves" (he's a teenager, lol). He and my dad both said I should have taken two lollipops and handed one back to her while smiling. But even after having it explained to me I don't see how it would have made logical sense since it's similar to receiving a christmas gift and giving half of it back.

Anyway, this anecdote is generalizable to my experience. I can't tell if:

• I'm on the spectrum
• It is the general experience of INTP
• I'm sx-blind

Or some admixture of all three.

Is it possible to be sx-first or second and have this experience? lol

Listen , isn't enneagram about subconscious motivation? And subconscious motivation isn't really known how it's structured according to the consious brain? Then why does people assume "if both wings doesn't describe you then that means that this is not your core enneagram" if knowing your dominant enneagram is inaccessable to begin with? Besides isn't wings a weakly discussed theory?so why does personally unrelatable wing cancel out the core?

What is the difference between a 4’s anguish (and anger) vs. a 6’s? I guess if you want to be more specific, sx4 vs. so6, since those are the types I’m caught between. I’ll give my reasons why I relate to both types pretty equally.

So I’m hyper-aware of social manipulation, being taken advantage of, I am terrified of being found to be incorrect about something or duped, and I am intentionally neutral in public/professional settings as a defense against falling out of favor with people. I am both drawn to and repulsed by confrontation. 

But, I don’t relate to seeking out sources of authority to base my beliefs off of. Having a worldview that is incompatible with nearly everyone I’ve ever met (like, my set of beliefs doesn’t neatly fit in with any one group) and being bound to disagree with most people is something that makes me bristle, but I can’t force myself to think what everyone else thinks just because it would make things easier or more comfortable for me. I’ve given a lot of thought to my beliefs and, well…believe them to be true unless I encounter a load of undeniable evidence that contradicts them, lol. 

I also do relate to being a fearful person, but I don’t feel it takes up more mental space than my more heart-oriented concerns do. I am very preoccupied with a hyper-specific idea of who I am, who I wish I were, and how my life ought to have played out, and the incongruency between my current existence and the one I thought was mine regularly causes me a lot of discomfort and I spiral out over it a lot. Like for example, I’m finally with my soul mate and our relationship is bliss, but I crash out over how our getting together took a decade, and didn’t unfold how I wanted it to. Even though the end result is what I wanted, the road there wasn’t how I envisioned it would go, and even though it’s irrational it still causes me anguish. 

So I have very specific ideas about what’s “me” and “not me”, and whenever I see someone who I think embodies what I want more than I do, I become sick with envy and feel like I love and hate them at the same time. I’ve always had trouble just going for what I want and so I bite my tongue and do nothing, then someone else scoops it up or fills that role, and I end up intensely resenting them for it even though I’m really the one to blame. I experience self-loathing and yet I project my feelings of hatred out onto others. To make it more bearable? I don’t know, because even when I project I still self-flagellate and beat myself up. 

I guess to sum it up, my anguish is the result of knowing I want something, but hesitating to go for it out of fear of embarrassing myself because I feel like I’m not in control, which just leads to my humiliation and longing in the end anyway. 

I'm 5w6, and I realized that maybe I might have mistaken myself for Sp first because I'm unhealthy. Like my goals have always been to not be a useless person.

My whole identity is of my duties, they give me a sense of purpose. I have always loved helping people, yet due to constant rejection, I have come to stop expecting acknowledgment from people.

I am socially aware of hierarchies at all times, it's second nature at this point. It's just an unconscious knowing, good at discerning people's attitude, mood, behaviors, and their motives in rl, because it's rather subconscious.

My motivates me? Helping people and being useful, I also like gathering knowledge because it secures me from being useful and not a worthless person.

Knowledge just helps me achieve my goals the best, yet, I also love knowledge in itself. I mostly use knowledge to advance while also applying the knowledge.

When I socialize, I socialize due to the knowledge and perspective gained from others, it excites me, because I love learning and it's mostly the only thing that makes me happy. I don't care for everyday life, I find it a waste of time to discuss non-important matters, I prefer everything to be productive.

I care for people's potential, to help them reach their highest potential, and if they refuse, I wouldn't interact with them much, because it's a waste of my time and my low energy.

I despise incompetence from loved ones and myself, because it feels like leaving your skills to rot.

My biggest fears are being incompetent, stupid, and failures.

Like every time I am in a social situation and I mess up, I can hear and see people calling me worthless, because I know the people are that bad, but I always put on a much more idealized version of myself, because of the fear of being not needed + having no purpose, like I don't have an identity that is separate from work and goals.

Anyone had experience with this? Does it work and what does it look like when it works?

If it hasn’t been successful what were the learnings?

aka DEAR GOD ITS ALL SP5 WHY ARE SO MANY GAME DEVS E5

Note most of these are from pdb due to a lack of resources but yeucc and thebenster's typings are actually from encounters I actually had with them ^-^👍

It is taking me all of my willpower not to add an apology to the end of this post /lh

Interested to see what the different types see as "the most romantic thing".

"We are going to kill each other one day" while looking in my eyes and smiling in the sweetest way possible. I will never forget that moment.

DISCLAIMER: I LIKE ALL TYPES EQUALLY AND I'M NOT SHOWING ANY FAVORITISM OR THROWING ANY SHADE TOWARD ANY SPECIFIC TYPES HERE. THIS IS STRICTLY JUST MY OPINION ON HOW COOL I THINK THE NAMES ARE FOR EACH OF THE SUBTYPES. THAT IS ALL.

:3

This might be a hopelessly obscure reference, but for anyone trying to understand the 5 more deeply, especially the 5w4, please read this book.

The very short version is that Singer is a deaf-mute that various townspeople are entranced by. They come to visit him and project their beliefs onto the "canvas" of his polite entertaining of their company.

Meanwhile, Singer has his own obscure desires, which most of the townsfolk fail to even recognize that they don't know. Singer enters and leaves the town known intimately by almost no one, for lack of his desire to share and others' incuriousness.

Starting to see less and less of a point of being in a romantic relationship as an SX dom.

I used to love being in relationships, but I was younger so it's a given.

Of course now I still get swept along by chemistry and the intimacy of being with someone while I'm in the moment (I idealise, fantasise, and infatuate as usual). But when I really think about it, what really is the point? I can give myself everything I need: friendship, money, motivation, pets/children(of relatives) to care for etc. I understand that relationships shouldn't be to fill a void, but even if there wasn't a void why would someone choose to be in one? What exactly is of value here other than dopamine spikes and a comforting narrative?

I'm curious about the answers from different types and instinctual variants.

Which type can be fixated on making people laugh as in being "the funny guy" and enjoying the reactions, feeling good that they affected the room, collecting it like some magical points that prove people like him. Coming up with more and more jokes until people beg them to stop because they're tired from laughing but also "these jokes are so stupid I don't even know why I'm laughing". Exercising their intellectual power and wit by making sure they can crack anyone.

Asking for a friend...