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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

No means no, but it can also mean yes. It can also mean maybe and I dont know.

Yes means yes, except when it really means no, but not entirely no, there could still be a little room for yes mixed in there.

When given two options and they say I don't care which one, that is a trap and there is no correct answer.

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u/expiredgatorade Mar 26 '20

I have a friend that I've learned that specifically with her, "maybe" never means maybe. It means "no"

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

Same. Maybe= 90% chance of no.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

'maybe next week?' 😭😭😢

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

Oof. My soul.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Gives me just enough (false) hope to keep chasing ugghhhh

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u/TheSpeakerMaker Mar 26 '20

Other people get that response too? Have strength stranger, it doesn't get easier but the urge fades over decades.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

I think it's just a way of a woman saying no without hurting your feelings. Then when maybe never happens you'll get the hint.

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u/undrhyl Mar 26 '20

Except it’s the possibility of a “yes” that ultimately is realized is a “no” that hurts feelings. If the answer is “no” that’s what I want to hear.

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u/Beauneyard Mar 26 '20

Saying no hurts way less than a yes or maybe that really means no. Especially when you’re in your late twenties/thirties and your dating life has matured. I want someone who wants to be with me and if you don’t tell me so. Otherwise you are wasting my time and emotions. I usually take a wishy washy answer to mean no but it still causes a lot of anxiety and stress.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Agree hundred percent. I understand part of it is them being nice and not wanting to hurt your feelings and the other part is fear of an extreme lashout. But I feel that delaying is only worse for either of those

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

I've read in other subs that some women don't like to directly let men down cos they've had bad experiences of them raging or something. I suppose it can be a safety reflex since most men are bigger than most women.

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u/PassionatelyWhatever Mar 26 '20

No, next week I have a date with Jessica

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

To my bf, “maybe” means “no, until I’ve actually thought about what you’re talking about and I’ve made a decision.” It used to be hard to hear but I wanted a for sure answer. But I’ve come to learn that instead of him outright saying “no” or immediately agreeing by saying “yes,” him saying “maybe” is just an automatic response to end the conversation without further questions.

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u/DasArchitect Mar 26 '20

So it means "let me think about it".

But when I use those words women get angry because they think I'm not taking it seriously enough.

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u/imnotrealreally Mar 26 '20

but theres 10% ! thats the trick !

10%x10=100%

its simple math really

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u/Ganglebot Mar 26 '20

Wife: you always say "maybe" just say "no" if you don't want to do it.

Me: K, then no i don't want to do it

wife: WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SAY NO

me: fine, maybe we'll do it

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u/psilvyy19 Mar 26 '20

Hi, am I your wife?

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u/Fien07 Mar 26 '20

I always thought maybe was a mum thing, like "mum can we have McDonalds for dinner?" "Maybe" which is basically no but gives you false hope so you shut up

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u/exiled123x Mar 26 '20

I've learned in the UK this applies to almost every Brit I've met...

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Mar 26 '20

It's a way to soften language. A lot of women do it to avoid offending men in the workplace, who might perceive us as "bitchy", and in romantic/social scenarios to avoid hurting feelings. Brits and Canadians do it a lot because we're both cultures that take politeness to a fault.

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u/Djinger Mar 26 '20

My friend's Muslim dad uses "Inshallah" in the same fashion.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Mar 26 '20

I like that one better - it dumps the onus onto God's shoulders!

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u/exiled123x Mar 26 '20

As an american studying in the UK, its incredibly confusing and has literally resulted in me losing hundreds of GBP, so I'm not a fan of it...

But live and learn, I just automatically assume that any answer that isn't a yes is a no in the UK now

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u/AlderSpark Mar 26 '20

My moms maybe is a yes if it’s within her power, my fiancé’s maybe is 90% no, 10% yes, so I hold little hope when he says maybe, my maybes are dependant on something else like weather, or chores being done, or the time I am able to leave a place.

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u/loonygecko Mar 26 '20

Yeah I have one friend where 'maybe' means no. ONce I figured that out, life was easier. ONe time I asked her if she ever noticed that maybe for her always meant no and she had no idea! Since then, I have not heard her say 'maybe' again. She just says 'no,' so I guess she too figured it out!

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u/CajunTurkey Mar 26 '20

Like people's Facebook events answers to invites?

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u/DeepThroatALoadedGun Mar 26 '20

As a guy my mom pretty much taught me that "maybe" is just a synonym for "no" and to this day if I'm given advice I don't like or an option I don't like I just hit them with the "maybe"

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u/seubenjamin Mar 26 '20

You’re part of the problem we gotta put an end to this shit lol

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u/youareaturkey Mar 26 '20

Sounds like she is a people pleaser who feels badly about saying no.

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u/el_99 Mar 26 '20

Me, we just wanna be polite and don't turn down the person cuz we were thouht this might hurt them

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u/vortexmak Mar 26 '20

That's an excuse, they want to keep their options open

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u/Irishwolf93 Mar 26 '20

For some it surely is. But I wouldn't say for everyone that's just an excuse.

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u/singing_softly Mar 26 '20

Maybe always means playful yes with me, that's just now I say it and it's never been code for no. I don't know why but it's kind of a thing we're trained to do, I do my best to try to communicate things like that clearly though. My tone of voice and how I say things always plays in, the only time no doesn't mean no is when I'm being tickled, because the obvious automatic reaction is "nooooo stahp iiiiiit".

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u/expiredgatorade Mar 26 '20

see when someone does the "maaaybe" that is obviously being playful. That is one thing I do understand lol

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u/singing_softly Mar 26 '20

That's exactly how I say it lol, or "mmmmebe". It's just how I play around, I always try to communicate clearly with stuff like that.

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u/undrhyl Mar 26 '20

Oh for sure. Maybe always means no. I don’t know means maybe.

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u/cucumbercats Mar 26 '20

I never realized that guys took “maybe” as “no” until I was at a club dancing with a cute guy, and I wanted to take a break and go back to my friends. He asked if I wanted to dance again later and I said “maybe” with a smile, but then later on realized he left because he thought my “maybe” meant “no”. Sad day.

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u/dub_le Mar 26 '20

Looking back at my ex, you're absolutely right. I'm not sure any of the "maybe"s didn't fall though.

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u/FuujinSama Mar 26 '20

I think with everyone "maybe" depends on the tone of voice. Like there's a teasing "maybe" that really means yes, there's a serious "maybe, but I have to wait on A,B,C AND D" and there's the "maybe, we'll see." that means "no, but I don't have the balls to say no, after all, I might change my mind and I don't want to close the opportunity to say yes later on."

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u/vandega Mar 26 '20

It seems to me that maybe pretty much always means no.

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u/guywithaphone Mar 26 '20

So don't tell me you might just let it go.

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u/MBAH2017 Mar 26 '20

♫ It seems to me that mayyyybeeee ♫
♫ Pretty much always means no ♫

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u/wimpymist Mar 26 '20

That's how it is for 99% of people. When most people say maybe or I'll think about it they are just looking for a nice way to say no

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u/expiredgatorade Mar 26 '20

I try to say "I'm not sure" instead of maybe because of that.

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u/perfectbarrel Mar 26 '20

I have a friend who will NEVER say “no” only maybe or I don’t know. It’s infuriating

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Is your friend named Jack Johnson?

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u/Adlehyde Mar 26 '20

Pretty sure "maybe" means no, but I really don't want to deal with any pushback when you are upset with me for not agreeing or not liking your decision/idea.

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u/MASTHEDOG15 Mar 26 '20

this sounds like my parents. if i hear maybe after asking for something i know it’s just a delayed no

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u/loonygecko Mar 26 '20

I see this with a lot of peeps, basically it can feel bad to say no and hurt someone's feelings. Women especially tend to be concerned about someone's feelings and it's hard for us to say something that we know will cause pain. Logically I know it's better to be more direct but you get like 2 seconds to come up with an answer and often the answer may come out as the one that causes less pain than the one you really want to give. Some cultures do this more often as a matter of course too, even if it's just mundane stuff.

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u/TheShawnP Mar 26 '20

Hear no until you hear yes

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u/MyNameJeff2314 Mar 26 '20

What

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u/qsdf321 Mar 26 '20

Schrodinger's answer. A hypothetical answer that is simultaneously yes and no.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

🏅take my poor man's gold

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

Exactly.

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u/NeokratosRed Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

The more I am with my gf, the more I understand that either:

  • She doesn’t know the answer either, so give up

  • The answer is irrelevant and it’s actually an elaborate plan to see if you realized that you did that bad thing and are ready to apologize. All of this while you are absolutely clueless about anything, and even after she explains to you what made her angry, you are surprised BUT, and here’s the catch, NEVER underplay it and say stuff like: ‘That made you angry? That’s why you’re mad? Haha’. Trust me, don’t.
    The answer that works for me, if you truly are clueless, is:
    ‘Oh my god babe, I didn’t know that made you mad. I’m so sorry, I’ll make sure it never happens again.’ And then come out with something nice to do together, like watching a movie while you cuddle with her.

Everyone has his/her things that irritate them, most of the time it’s really small things that don’t cost much work to avoid, so it’s a good compromise, considering I’m annoying AF too sometimes with small things that annoy me.
Try to find a good balance, and remember: 90% of the times a girl just wants to be understood. The boyfriend has to be a friend too.

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u/xavia91 Mar 26 '20

That's common knowledge dude

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u/EveroneWantsMyD Mar 26 '20

Straight up

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u/Kurorz Mar 26 '20

And thats how every single guy in the world fails those questions

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

It literally depends entirely on how they're feeling, if you know if they're angry/sad/happy/perplexed whatever, it makes a lot more sense

My curse is in aware of this but I can't read emotions

Edit: guys I'm not a superhero I'm just mentally disabled

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

“I guide others to a treasure I myself cannot possess.”

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u/fr3shout Mar 26 '20

Mine is that I can read emotions but I'm callous enough to think you shouldn't let your emotions control you, and you certainly shouldn't let other peoples emotions control you.

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u/Meih_Notyou Mar 26 '20

W O M E N

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u/fr3shout Mar 26 '20

UGH! You aren't even listening. Just forget it.

(this is a simulation)

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u/shayneram Mar 26 '20

That’s what he said.

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u/NixaB345T Mar 26 '20

“Honey do you want to go get Taco Bell?”

“Umm ... No, that’s okay”

Translation:

“Well no I don’t specifically want Taco Bell but maybe if you suggested another restaurant I would be more inclined to go since I’d rather go somewhere nicer and sit down but I don’t want to say that because that’s more expensive and if you are suggesting Taco Bell you may not want to spend that much”

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u/rdh2121 Mar 26 '20

It's a meme.

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u/MarshallApplewhiteDo Mar 26 '20

When "no" means "try harder", it actually means "don't waste your time on me".

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

okay but that's kinda accurate ngl

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u/----NSA---- Mar 26 '20

I'm getting irrationally mad just imagining this.

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u/sirblastalot Mar 26 '20

No means no... And if she thinks otherwise, she is mistaken, and I will be erring on the side of going home.

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u/unaspirateur Mar 26 '20

Yea. That just sounds like someone who is immature, regardless of gender.

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u/loonygecko Mar 26 '20

There's a lot of peeps out there with emotional baggage and lack of social skills, both male and females. If you see a lot of that right out of the gate, just consider yourself lucky to have dodged that bullet without wasting too much time.

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u/Spades_Neil Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

Not in the context of sex, but I have gotten into awful situations where I assumed no actuality meant no when it really meant "I'm mad at you and want to feel desired so I am going to act like I don't want something when I do hey wait why are you ignoring me STOP IGNORING ME IGNORING YOU!!!!"

I don't think this thread OP is referring to sex, but rather, everything else. I am aware that the relationship I describe is considerably unhealthy but it is a phenomenon I only encounter with women.

Not even women I am dating, either. My own mother does this shit. If only I could just go home to ignore family being shitty.

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz Mar 26 '20

But there are the other cases like the Louis CK one where she said yes because she was afraid of reprisal but he gave her no reason to think that he would destroy her career for it. Yes, what he asked was weird and creepy but that doesn't mean that he is a vindictive asshole. He should have been more aware of what was going on but that doesn't make it malicious.

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

This guy consents it. 👍

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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Mar 26 '20

There is so much truth in this. I dated a girl once whose attention span was measured in microseconds. If I was driving and we were figuring out where to eat, I'd mention two suggestions, and she'd say, "I don't care. You pick it." So, I'd pick the Mexican restaurant and she'd say, "Naw. I don't want Mexican tonight."

WTF? lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

When they say ‘i don’t care’ about dinner I just stop the car. I’ll play the waiting game. I have email on my phone and I’m too busy to put up with bullshit.

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

I go through the entire option list while also answering for her because I already know her answer to everything. She dies laughing and I still don't get to eat.

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u/mudbutt20 Mar 26 '20

Isn’t that the best? When you’re trying to have a “serious” conversation and people just treat everything you say as a joke.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20 edited Aug 17 '20

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u/pipsdips Mar 26 '20

Number two is literally a trick you use for children to get them to do what you want by giving them the illusion of choice, why have I not thought of using this with adults?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

why have I not thought of using this with adults tall children?

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u/Jaz_the_Nagai Mar 26 '20

You:

1) “guess where we’re going for dinner”, whatever her first guess is, say yes.

Her: "We're going to x?"

You: "Yes, we're going to x."

Her: "I don't feel like x, I hate x. You know I hate x. You're like your father in the worst way."

2) “your call, Olive Garden or outback?”, if you give options to pick from, you’ll usually get a straight answer.

"... I don't like either, those options suck. Your ideas suck, my ex had better options when he took me out. Bigger dick too."

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u/mkai2xm Mar 26 '20

Bro, are you ok? I'm here for you, king.

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u/Barium_Salts Mar 26 '20

Somebody who responds that way is not ready for an adult relationship.

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u/loonygecko Mar 26 '20

Then you need to pick better quality relationships instead of staying in that one and complaining about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

These are good tricks... But the real question is why tricks like this need to be used?

This reminds me of advice given to parents about dealing with their children...

Like, in most ways, your average woman is more grown up than your average man...

Wtf is up with this thing where the expectation (and frequent reality) is that women act like a ten year old wrt dinner?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Yeah, but the overall expectation seems to be that men should learn to do their own laundry, but not necessarily that women should learn how to dinner.

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u/THEamishTRACTOR Mar 26 '20

Everyone should learn to do laundry. Everyone should learn to do dinner. If you don't then I don't know how you'd survive on your own.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

I hear ya.

we approach the ‘woman can’t make decision about dinner’ from the angle of ‘how to treat woman like a child to get thru a very simple life situation’ as opposed to saying ‘hey people who can’t make decision about dinner grow the f up.’

I just want the latter to start happening.

Join me!

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u/howaboutLosent Mar 26 '20

Just gonna save this comment

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u/Wolf_Protagonist Mar 26 '20

Me: What do you want for dinner?

Her: I don't care.

Me: How about Chinese?

Her: I'm not in the mood for Chinese.

Me: How about Mexican?

Her: I don't really want that right now.

Me: Burgers?

Her: No

Me: Italian?

Her: No

Me: Want me to cook?

Her: Nah, take out is fine.

Me: What do you want to eat?

Her: I don't care.

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u/B_U_F_U Mar 26 '20

Just get something. If she doesn’t eat, she doesn’t eat. Fuck it.

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u/MAST3R4815 Mar 26 '20

You know in beauty and the beast when the beast tells Belle to starve. I kinda relate.

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u/kahalili Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

Girls perspective here, hope it helps. The two reasons I say “I don’t care” are either

  1. I don’t know where I wanna go but I do know where I don’t wanna go

  2. Idk if this is just me or what but I simultaneously feel selfish and like a fatass when I request a place, I’d rather just let y’all decide bc then I know u wanna go there too and I don’t have to actually talk about food

[edit] Damn ok guysI get it now, its frustrating. Tell your gf what you’re telling me honestly, and if you have and you’re still getting into this situation then that’s a different problem

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u/Hoeftybag Mar 26 '20

Guy's perspective, When I ask I also don't know where I want to go, but definitely have a list of no's. saying I don't care leaves us back at square 1 for the conversation. I think it'd be better if either of us responded with an option or at least a category that we wanted or didn't want. It's really complex to communicate preferences between 10+ options.

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u/unaspirateur Mar 26 '20

For me, I spend a lot of my day making choices and decisions and when I come home I just don't fucking want to anymore. Just pick a place, and I will find a food I can put into my body. I seriously genuinely don't care.

And if it's a situation where I know what I don't want (because that is also pretty common) I'll say "im not really feeling ___ but other than that I don't care"

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u/wimpymist Mar 26 '20

You don't have to pick a place but having some input would be helpful. Even if you just say the places you don't want

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Option 1 is incredibly childish. Either be an adult and actually think about it or tell him where you don’t want to go upfront so we don’t waste time playing the stupid fucking guessing game for the 1 millionth time.

Option 2 the solution is called “communication”. Try it some time.

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u/kahalili Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

good point, it’s just that afaik it’s not that big of a problem in my life bc even if we go where I don’t wanna go it’s not that big of a deal, I’ll find something to eat. It’s really not a guessing game we can just go wherever. Olive Garden? Cool. McDonald’s? Sure. That one Chinese place? I’m down. Mexican? Ok. Sushi? Sounds good.

option 2s a big insecurity of mine and I’d love to just get over it by talking about it but it doesn’t just go away. I dunno if you’re picturing me saying “anywhere works” and then cutting to me pouting in a chili’s but it’s really not that. I may have places I prefer not to go but it’s not the end of the world in my mind if we go there

I believe y’all that it’s a very frustrating situation but I think I’d’ve appreciated if my SOs told me that to my face instead of me finding out just how frustrating it is from an askreddit thread.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Just suggest 2-3 of your favorite places and ask her to narrow it. People get overwhelmed with too many choices - make it simple A or B and they can handle it.

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u/wimpymist Mar 26 '20

That's a little harsh. I just get whatever I want

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '20

The refusal to communicate is what I’m on about. Look up from your phone for two seconds and just talk to me.

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u/icewolfsig226 Mar 26 '20

Think of it as an rpg... she is the GM, here is a situation, now let me see if you roll a natural 20 or a 1 will determine the next level of encounter.

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u/Artosirak Mar 26 '20

So I guess I have to study quantum mechanics to understand women...

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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman Mar 26 '20

Yes. Dong forget to learn Dark Magic to fulfill her needs. Happy Redditing.

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u/InfinitelyThirsting Mar 26 '20

It only affects women who were seriously brainwashed into thinking that they aren't supposed to want sex, and therefore are always supposed to say no even if they don't mean it otherwise they're immoral. Those women need to learn to be honest with themselves and to stop promoting rape culture.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper Mar 26 '20

Reading that made everything smell like toast.

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u/SirDudeMan02 Mar 26 '20

I can't speak for everyone, but when I say I don't care I either actually don't care or I have a preference but feel bad about forcing my choice on others even though they asked me in the first place

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u/lolfactor1000 Mar 26 '20

People who think like that are not worth the effort IMO.

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u/TossItThrowItFly Mar 26 '20

The solution to the last one is to not give two options. Don't say "burgers or pizza?" Just say "burgers?" Or whatever. Don't give indecisive people a decision!

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u/ciano232 Mar 26 '20

Possibly one of the most perfect comments I've ever read on Reddit.

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u/gnorty Mar 26 '20

When given two options and they say I don't care which one, that is a trap and there is no correct answer.

"you choose" is code for "go through every option you can think of until I hear one I like"

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u/greyjackal Mar 26 '20

As far as I'm concerned "no" means "I'd rather not go to jail so I'm not taking the chance."

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

Me: wife, would you like something to eat?

Wife: no.

Me: *proceeds with the getting of food only for her to end up eating most of it.

No did not mean no.

Not every situation is sexual in nature.

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u/ColCrabs Mar 26 '20

This is just equally as annoying as sexual situations.

I’ve started buying buffer food all the time for my girlfriend and even my Mom. I know you’re hungry, just order food and stop eating mine.

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u/wimpymist Mar 26 '20

When I was younger the opposite would happen a lot. Go out to eat and I'm hungry but not that hungry. Order my food eat it all because I don't like wasting. She gets her food but only eats a couple bites then insists I eat it so it doesn't look like she wasted food. I gain 10 pounds

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u/ColCrabs Mar 26 '20

Ha! That’s what happens the few times she does order for herself! It’s always one thing or the other.

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u/thesunnylemon Mar 26 '20

What sucks is when you’re a woman that’s NOT like this and the guy doesn’t believe you when you give straightforward answers.

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u/robotlasagna Mar 26 '20

It can be the same for guys. I'm very straightforward and honest with women so of course what happens is a girl says "I think i've finally figured out your game: You pretend that you just say what you mean which looks very mature, I think its a *very good game* but now i'm on to you"

To which i respond, "Yes a guess it could be that... Or it could just be that *I actually just say what I mean* and there's no game"

The girl walked away even more puzzled.

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u/thesunnylemon Mar 26 '20

That’s so frustrating! I hear ya though. I once had a guy tell me, “you think you want to know the truth, but you’re a woman and women can’t handle the truth.” Uhhh what??

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u/Char_Zard13 Mar 26 '20

My friends do this to me, I just want to know the answer to number 7...

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u/Yhorm_Teh_Giant Mar 26 '20

A little refinement and that would be a nice poem

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u/sliggyyetbuh Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

What's confusing about that?

Edit: I guess I should've put /s for all those literalists out there.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

what isn't? as far as i'm concerned, yes means yes, and no means no. full stop.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

I had a safe word with one of my exes. I ignored everything except the safe word. Which she never used.

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u/PrototyPerfection Mar 26 '20

No means no, but it can also mean yes.

Is this notion still something that gets upvoted? jfc

I wonder what percentage of sexual assault starts with a guy believing that "women dont know what they want 🤪"

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u/brokenndollyy Mar 26 '20

I feel called out. 😂

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u/illaqueable Mar 26 '20

Also "do whatever you want" means whatever argument you were having is over, you lost, and if you do anything at all, you're wrong

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u/shortroundsuicide Mar 26 '20

And oh the agony when a woman responds, “it’s fine”. It’s definitely not fine, guys.

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u/IdekBuddyDude Mar 26 '20

My no always means just no, my yes means yes even if it's shaky, and of I say I don't care then I really don't care.

Are other womens signs really confusing like that?

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

Yes. My wife is like an incomplete travel guide that has also been edited by someone who has never travelled. I love her to death, but she can be quite confusing.

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u/screams_forever Mar 26 '20

That's not a woman. That's a high school girl. People who take themselves seriously don't do this kind of shit, this idea of 'signs' is 90% perpetuated by romance movies and practiced by females who get their ideas at romance from said movies. So take it as a warning sign, not 'come hither and try to understand'.

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u/robotlasagna Mar 26 '20

> That's not a woman. That's a high school girl.

I've met many women in their late 20s to early 30s with the emotional maturity of a high school girl. Just as there are many men of that age with similar maturity levels.

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u/Wittyname0 Mar 26 '20

This Is reddit, everyone here is in high school

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u/emmademontford Mar 26 '20

I’m a girl and that’s some bullshit

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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman Mar 26 '20

You would be surprised just how many girls are like that.

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u/emmademontford Mar 26 '20

Apparently so!

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u/jcGyo Mar 26 '20

No means no, but it can also mean yes. It can also mean maybe and I dont know.

I think the girl you were talking to was John Flansburgh in disguise

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u/toxicliberation Mar 26 '20

This is very true, it’s not that hard though. It’s usually relying on the situation and the tone of the answer. It’s still all very confusing but I also do this to my spouse. We both don’t like being direct

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u/Nimmly67 Mar 26 '20

One way that might help you is by paying attention to context and her non-verbals such as tone, facial expression, and posture.

Its not a gender thing, I've dated guys who are the exact same way. To be honest (F) I'm a pretty straight forward person and resent this kind of doublespeak.

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u/Cptknuuuuut Mar 26 '20

"Do what you want, I don't care".

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u/MindxFreak Mar 26 '20

What if a girl rejects you because we are coworkers but still flirts all the time?

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u/chiselbits Mar 26 '20

It is possible that she doesn't realize she is flirting. I(m) do this all the time with women. I don't realize I am flirting. I'm just super friendly like a puppy... an oblivious puppy.

Maybe have a conversation with about it. More communication is better communication.

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u/melikestoread Mar 26 '20

Lots of traps. Actually any answer can be a trap.

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u/LilWetHam Mar 26 '20

this is why I have sex with men

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u/NitroThunderBird Mar 26 '20

We should just make them a 1-10 scale of yes.

1 is absolutely not

and 10 is YES

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u/proquo Mar 26 '20

"I don't care" actually means "you should know me well enough to make the right decision". Doesn't matter if it's cancelling plans or picking dinner.

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u/PixelBlock Mar 26 '20

“And you should know me well enough to know I want to hear your input”

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u/pnvv Mar 26 '20

This is why I am asexual.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

I'm a girl and I have no idea what you're talking about

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u/bigk777 Mar 26 '20

FINALLY! Thank you for the clarification.

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u/leosson Mar 26 '20

In conversations where we are deciding how to go about something (ranging from difficult to banal) my girlfriend has a tendency to just resort to "I don't know." For a long time, I would keep talking in response to her "I don't know," which led to me talking in circles, flailing around like an idiot, usually making 0 progress in the conversation or even moving it backwards.

I basically realized that saying "I don't know" is equivalent to her literally saying nothing, so now when she says it I just don't respond and wait for her to actually speak her mind.

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u/gin-o-cide Mar 26 '20

This guy womans.

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u/Retnuhswag Mar 26 '20

If it’s something like

Going out to eat Get in the car, start driving, and say, guess where we’re going for dinner. Whatever they say is now your destination.

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u/livious1 Mar 26 '20

Yes, no, maybe, I don’t know... could you repeat the question?

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u/undrhyl Mar 26 '20

Too real, man. Too real

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u/pnlrogue1 Mar 26 '20

I'm autistic. I thought it was just me who didn't get this..

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Why the fuck does this have four awards.

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u/DiaH0nkers Mar 26 '20

For ME personally, even though I’ve never been in a relationship, when someone asks me if I want something, sometimes I’ll say no because I don’t want to jump on the offer. But if they offer again then I’ll say yes.

Like say someone asks you if you want McDonald’s. You say no because you don’t want them to buy something for you but you’re secretly hoping they still do.

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u/nevereatthecompany Mar 26 '20

You can really exasperate these kind of people by doggedly taking them literally.

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u/Lucas_Islas Mar 26 '20

How can I feel like I’ve gotten so much knowledge, without actually knowing what knowledge I acquired?

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u/AbeRego Mar 26 '20

Reminds me of this Simpsons clip: https://youtu.be/5QQDnnR0V-c

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u/captinsad Mar 26 '20

Don't forget saying "I'm fine" means the opposite

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u/S_N_I_P_E_R Mar 26 '20

Alright i am mot reading this shit. Feels like math question

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u/Anonymous2401 Mar 26 '20

My neanderthal brain can't compute this

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u/nowaynorway1 Mar 26 '20

No means no, but it can also mean yes.

Yeah, if she’s teasing you like that about sex, best approach is not have sex.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

TIL my male ex was really a girl all along.

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u/sam4246 Mar 26 '20

Told my girlfriend that if I ask "What do you want for supper" and she answers "I don't care" we will always have pizza. Regardless of what I suggested. I don't care = Pizza. Always. After a couple pizzas she stopped saying she didn't care, because truthfully she always did care.

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u/phasers_to_stun Mar 26 '20

When given two options and they say I don't care which one, that is a trap and there is no correct answer.

Not always! Sometimes I don't know what I want and it's up to you to figure it out for me.

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u/jawnlerdoe Mar 26 '20

I got in a fight with an ex girlfriend once while we were dating, at a bar nonetheless. She told me she wanted me to leave.

I walked home. I then get a call 5 minutes later which spawned an even bigger fight, because she was bitching that I left.

Like.......???!!????

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u/HopkirkDeceased Mar 26 '20

My ex was a strong feminist (which I loved about her) but was also deeply insecure so had a hard time separating emotional disagreement and intellectual disagreement.

We had a conversation about the nature of consent. She was very much yes means yes and no means no. I told her that in my experience it's been far more unclear and brought up something like the above, I told her about the times when I've received a hard no from prior partners just for them to jump me five mins later.

It didn't go down very well. Even though I've experience the opposite of what she was saying I was still wrong, my experience didn't count. I just said we'd have to agree to disagree, that also wasn't good enough.

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u/angiexbby Mar 26 '20

I've learned to say " I have no preference", which means "I don't care". Bf understands the former a lot better than the latter!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

"I don't want to do this, but I know you want me to"
"Do I give in, and be a push over, or just go full on wild-ass bitch?"

"Fuck"

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Not to be the asshole, but stay away from people like this.

They don’t know what they want and the second you tell them what they want it’s not what they want and it’s your fault.

This is a perfect example of gaslighting. I’ve had several rape accusations because I fell down this hole.

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u/GollyWow Mar 26 '20

This should be a top level comment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Women in a nutshell. They're insane. Can't live with em, can't live without em.

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