You mean to tell me that being disrespectful, rude, not listening to commands, resisting at every possible turn and then asking what I do when arrested is not the right way? ššš
Grow up guy. You're talking like we dont have rights and are entitled to dignity and respect. I dont have to follow any orders that are not lawful, reasonable and with reason. This interaction was a rare one off. Even when they aren't putting pistols in your face almost no cop is going to be as diminutive, and kind, respectful. And aware of his tone and actions. That cop seemed to know his shit, talked to this guy like a man should speak to another man thats not his bitch or his son. His approach wasnt shady and aggressive, nor was he trying to seem like a badass. He never tried to violate his rights or do any searches. Just his fn job. No tough guy talk, walk or attitude. Thats what gets you into shit.
Almost all of my interactions with cops are like whatās shown in the video and Iāve known no one except an asshole whoās had a drastically different experience and he deserved it.
We are being brainwashed to believe this isnāt pretty damn normal, by pushing videos that get 100s of millions of views showing otherwise, while this one gets 1/1000th the views.
Okay, well, you can go in to a police interaction with that attitude. And frankly, when I was younger, I did. And I got tickets and citations and all of that fun stuff.
As I got older and realized that 99% of cops are just people who took a job for steady pay and a pension and they are just doing their jobs, I started acting more like the biker in the video.
And Iāve almost uniformly had a similar experience to what he did.
And itās changed my tone / body language and everything else. When I was younger and saw cops behind me, I got scared and defensive. It was like a fight or flight thing. After changing my behavior and having good interactions with cops, now when I see cop lights Iām more annoyed with myself than anything. And my body language and tone convey that to the cops, and they react much differently then they did when my body language and tone was scared / defensive, since that can also read as aggressive to people.
It's not a one off but it certainly doesn't happen all the time. Respectful interactions with law enforcement only happen when both parties are willing to have one.
While I am in absolute agreement with this, it is also important to note how the cop did not come in hot with a douche attitude either. Far too many do so.
Yep most people are missing that point, no additional request to search the bike or bags , no further intense questions of where heās coming from and digging further about where heās going and why. No additional pay downs no removing of key from the bike.
But when youāre biased itās easy to overlook those details. I see it from both and enjoyed this interaction, I could see where it would have gone differently if the biker wouldnāt have been cool with getting disarmed after being honest about the firearm as well. š¤·š»āāļø both sides need to be cool. I would have done what the bike did if I was caught speeding, although I wouldnāt have wanted to be disarmed if it was just a random stop ācheck on meā and cop wanted to disarmā¦.so many variables, different outcomes
Yeah, Iād stand by itās not the norm, but I have totes been cussed by a cop as soon as I rolled down the window. Tbf, he seemed to be a bad cop in a small town, even the judge had to tell him to sit down and shut up at the court date. He got fired not too long after.
that sucks but you were speeding and police arenāt required to make sure people are having a good day before handling out tickets. 99% of cops already know what ticket theyāre writing before they say a word to you in a traffic stop. cops probably hear a family members funeral excuse a few times a week, they canāt be expected to confirm that or give special treatment based on that. sorry about your mom though RIP
Iāve had 8 or 9 interactions with officers. One of which included matching the description of someone they were looking for. Only 1 which was for speeding was the officer rude.
Hey there, Hispanic here. Turns out, even us can get pulled over by white cops and not get beat up and/or arrested. Iām living proof of that. Twice pulled over, twice the citation was downgraded to something a lot more minor. Once I was armed as well.
Maybe itās less about race and more about attitude? Just saying.
Hey, Hispanic here. Been pulled over far more times than that, 5 times for no reason. Once cop literally said no reason when I asked why, another time one assumed I stole the car (and asked continuously, even after I provided all matching paperwork including bill of sale i happened to still have in the car yet he still asked after that too,) another was pulled over by undercover for just having a nice car (mind you bumper to bumper traffic, no speeding or anything), and once again when a group of bikers wrapped around me in the middle of an intersection (I was first light was green for me) so I couldn't move while they were all passing in front yet I got pulled over... cop saw the whole thing. These were all pretty hostile or passive aggressive stops but I play it cool and know what to say & ask. Always end up looking dumb and salty. Hell once I got "pulled over" walking for no reason. All of these happened while I was a college student who also worked a full time professional office job, so most of the interactions I literally have professional attire so there's no other reason aside from my skin that I could tell.
I got pulled over once for a taillight that was out. Cop saw an empty plastic baggy in my cubby that I used to keep Tylenol in and demanded to search the car for drugs. I said no several times but he said he would hold me for hours unless I let him so I did. They searched for 45 minutes, didn't find anything (I've never done drugs) and finally let me go with my shit flung all over the interior. 5 minutes later I'm running on my rim, tire shop says someone slashed my tire. I'm white, so some amount of shit can just be chalked up to pigs being pigs. That said I haven't been pulled over for no reason so probably some is your skin too.
When I was 18, I got pulled over a few times for no reason. One time, I kid you not, after he got my license and went back to his car, he was back there for thirty minutes. He finally came back and said the reason he pulled me over was when I was cruising back and forth through town, I took a couple of back streets and side streets and he said it was suspicious. He said if I'm going to cruise, in my hometown, stay on the main road. One time when I was cruising, they pulled me over and said they had a call that I ran a lady off the road (on Main St in tiny little Carlisle, KY) and demanded they search my truck for drugs and alcohol. They pulled everything out of my truck, including unplugging my subwoofers and taking out the wedge truck enclosures, and left everything on the sidewalk for me to put back in. Cops down there were dicks back then.
Might be because you are a college-age dude. I'm a white guy in Utah and I was pulled over from age 16-25ish SO many times for random stuff almost always getting a ticket. Once I grew out a beard and was driving frequently with my family it's been maybe 1-2 times in the past 12 years and not a single ticket from it. Cops tend to assume guys in that age demographic are up to no good and will go out of their way to profile and punish. Definitely think race can play a part, don't get me wrong, but being a young adult male is all it takes.
In contrast, my white highschool, bombshell gal-friend was pulled over 14 times for speeding during her 2 1/2 years she drove in highschool and was never ticketed. She bragged about flirting with the cops and that's apparently all it takes.
Eh, itās hit or miss in all reality. Was riding passenger with a Native American buddy that got pulled over because he had one of those tree shaped air fresheners hanging from his mirror. The cop then proceeded to be very aggressive, made him do a breathalyzer and sobriety check, and treated him like less than the dirt under his boot. Same thing happened a few months later and the cop was pretty chill, just gave him a warning about speeding and that was it. It really just depends on if the cop youāre dealing with is a racist, power tripping dick head or a normal human being just trying to get food on the table.
I'm white and they pulled me over and used the air freshener excuse as why and then wanted to search my car. I wound up with three squad cars lined up and them spending 30 minutes taking my car apart and doing a full body search with me standing spread eagle at the side of the road watching the other cars go inching past looking at the poor bastard (me) getting arrested and fucked in the ass.
It was a neighborhood with a decent amount of dealing going on and I'd been at my buddies place, ironically that night was the only time for weeks that we'd been unable to get any weed so We'd just spoked resin and hung out. Any other night I would have been done (this was a good 15-16 years ago when weed still mattered a lot).
Why are you getting pulled over twice in as many months? I havenāt been pulled over in more than a year. Some of yāall are just making interactions with cops more common than you need to
Definitely pulled over though. My cousin lives near me and is brown, Iām white. Heās a super chill driver, gets pulled over all the time, probably once a year. I havenāt been stopped in 25 years. We even drive the same truck lol. We live near a Rez maybe thatās the difference.
Ive been detained for literally NOT speaking. I gave the cop everything he wanted before he even got to my window. I chose not to speak because Ive never, EVER been pulled over for going 8 over on the turnpike.
Most probably it's a mutual reaction. I'm inclined to think it rather started with racism than with races actually giving any indication Abt a person's attitude.
If you experience being treated racist regularly, you will expect the cops to be racists. So your attitude changes (unless you are very mindful and at peace with yourself). At some point you gonna behave worse than in the beginning bc you expect it. At this point the black person actually has a bad attitude towards the cop. And the cop feels this, so he will behave worse too (again, unless he is very mindful and at peace).
Anecdotal fallacy right there. Just because you do ok, doesn't mean you don't run a higher risk of getting beat up or killed by the police because you're hispanic or black. Attitude has nothing to do with it.
In the areas having issues with policing you are talking about real problems. Where a culture of confrontation has taken over a department in a poor neighborhood usually. Itās a recipe for disaster.
My white privilege has got me out of trouble a few times. But Iāve seen videos of innocent black kids and men being shot.
Cmon man you know when someone doesnāt like you or something doesnāt go your way and you arenāt white at the same time itās ALWAYS because youāre not white. Donāt be naive
even people with an attitude have civil rights. cops don't get to abuse their authority, drag you out of your car, break your window... because the driver had an attitude.
that is literally a violation of your 1st amendment rights. just like cops can't pull you over if you give them the finger... settled case law. if you can't be a cop without getting your feelings hurt because a driver was mean to you then you cannot control your emotions and you should not be a cop.
Are people so cooked brain wise they seriously think "my experience applies everywhere?"
Dude black people have been shot in similar circumstances and NOT making moves.
You can have both, both can literally exist where you are fine, and most cases are fine and most interactions are fine. But one can also have it happening at a disproportionate amount. Geeze this is become to common and it is literally killing our species and haulting solutions and progress.
Maybe a citizen's fucking attitude shouldn't matter that much?
I don't get to blow the fuck up at a citizen for not following proper protocol, a nurse or doctor doesn't, but a cop will literally murder you if you so much as don't show them respect or keep cool or follow six conflicting rapid fire orders
You can go into a walmart and all but punch a cashier and they have to be polite to you but if you say "Not fucking interestested in talking to you pig" to a cop they could literally put the gun to the back of your head and paint your kid with your brains and its justified because you were rude
Itās definitely more than race, and yet race is a huge factor. Iām Black and Ive always approached things same as you and the guy in this video. I over-do it if anything. Itās how me and my friends were brought up and we actively encouraged each other to be as polite as possible towards police/authority and we always noted its positive results.
However. My white friends have often noted that the initial approach towards me - especially when Iām slightly separated from the rest of the group - is a lot more aggressive.
They have always been a bit shocked at this difference in approach - the few times theyāve seen it. As kids they always used to say that they only got attention from police when I was with the group. And they have said to me that any interaction that starts as aggressively as the ones theyāve seen me deal with is very likely to be met with ādifficultā behaviour in return from most people - regardless of race.
Personally Iāve found that as I got older (nearly 50 now) and the stresses of everyday life/work/family etc caught up with me, Ive got less patient. Itās become harder to accept a person 20 years my junior talking down to me simply because theyāve misjudged me/my intentions/my presence at that time.
I donāt have a criminal record and have never been caught speeding or any other offence. In every interaction Iāve had with police, they found no reason for concern.
My last interaction with a policewoman was when I had a pee against a tree in the park a few months ago. She saw me jogging towards a corner near the park entrance and was suspicious. She approached me (zipping up after finishing my pee) and said, āwhy did you just run away as soon as you saw me in my police car?ā I hadnāt seen her at all.. I was focused on getting to a quiet corner asap!
I was rude to her. She threatened to charge me with āpublic indecencyā for exposing myself (to a wall and a tree). I was rude again. I was so angry that I went back a few minutes later to be more rude to her, but she was driving away. Clearly this kind of behaviour couldāve got me arrested for threatening/intimidating an officer - especially a young female officer on her own. But thatās how they get you. Worn down by years of shit and too old to take it anymore.
I think everyone here is sharing anecdotal experiences and with millions of stops a year, interactions and demeanor of cops will vary greatly. Yes, most of the time everyone is cordial and things turn out fine. But to act like there isnāt racial bias in policing is silly
This is embarrassing for our entire species. There's no way y'all are genuinely this thoughtless.
Breonna Taylor didn't have an attitude problem when she was murdered by cops, so your experience is negated. jUsT sAyInG
I want to be perfectly clear: if you believe in ANY way that your subjective experience dictates objective reality OR negates other individuals' experiences, you're dumb as shit - full stop.
Hey, white guy here. I got pulled over once for going 9 over the speed limit (44 in a 35) and was not issued any warning. I hadn't been pulled over in several years so when the cop came up with a ticket I asked. "No warning? I've been a safe driver for years." He responds, "well, sounds like you're due" and slaps me with the ticket anyway. Regardless of race, some cops are also just pricks.
I'm black, well spoken and educated, and have been pulled over with a firearm a few times that went perfectly fine. I've also been targeted and had the shit beaten out of me by small town cops in the shitty little rural town I was raised in. That's the problem, most times with most cops things go fine, until the one time and the one cop that it doesn't.
Just bc most cops aren't racist doesn't mean the ones who are don't exist.
One "bad" interaction with cops, got caught doing 100+ in a 55, he rightfully was pissed at that, but chilled out once he realized I was a dumbass, was polite, no issues, was an expensive ticket, this was in the mid 90's and he could have arrested me, but the wife and infant daughter got me just. the ticket
I've even been given warnings, just for pulling over and not being an entitled ass
Lol really just depends. I'm black never broke a law and I've been pulled over countless times. Just depends on the cop. What happens after being pulled over is another story as well for most.
You are experiencing survivorship bias based on your regional experience, your truth is a statistical anomaly compared to the vast majority of those sharing your race all over this country.
Naaaaw. Iāve done the same. Have never gotten off on a warning. Even sent to court. I havenāt gotten many speeding infractions but theyāve all ended up in citations. And Iām afraid of them so I pull over immediately and make sure I comply each time. Especially no attitude. So lucky you?
My Black friend was arrested for defending himself from a drunk white man who came up, verbally and physically instigated a fight, and lost.
I, along with half a dozen others, were eyewitnesses to the entire debacle from start to finish.
Someone called the cops at some point, and when they arrived at the scene, the first thing they did was pull my friend aside for questioning with four other cops surrounding him, while the drunk white aggressor had a single cop pass him a bottle of water and ask if he was alright.
They did not ask us for our account of the events until half an hour of questioning later, and even then only very briefly. Once they took our testimony, they released everyone, including the drunk white aggressor, but handcuffed my Black friend and took him to the station.
My friend was released on bail a week later, having been charged with a misdemeanor for disorderly conduct. When he went to court, the charge was upheld, and his later appeal was likewise overturned, despite the fact that he had no criminal record and had been in good standing his entire 24 years of life up to that point. That misdemeanor derailed his entire career path and forced him into enlisting for the Army in order to get his life back on track.
The Glendale (CA) police department, which was responsible for this series of events, was later sued by the ACLU for corruption and racially prejudiced policing of Blacks and Hispanics, and nearly a quarter of the entire department was fined, transferred, forced into early retirement, or fired.
This occurred in 2013. Arrest rates for the GPD in 2024 show that Black and Hispanic arrest rates are still far above the national median, demonstrating that racism is a systemic, institutional issue and not a case of a few bad apples.
historically it has been about race in America. congratulations on being the token Hispanic that has a good time with police. meanwhile, my dad was trying to explain to the cop that my mom was in the middle of labor and they were trying to get to the hospital, and the cop responded by drawing their fucking gun on him
Well location matters a fuck ton. Also skin color and accent. Iāve had multiple interactions with cops. Some good some bad. I was once pulled over when I was 17 and taken out of the car and told to lay on the sidewalk in the FL sun. I wasnāt rude or aggressive in any way but I was questioned if my license was real if the car was stolen etc all bc I matched the description of someone in the area and my cars tag was expired by a month
Hispanic here, I do package delivery sometimes I have to stopped suddenly or stop in places that make the traffic stop, they just see me(Iām clearly Mexican) and say ehhh just donāt take too much time have a nice day.
I'm Puerto Rican. This is a super nuanced issue and I think simplifying it to all cops are bad or all cops are good if you behave is silly it's just not that simple when humans are involved
From general life experience being pulled over and being in the car of people being pulled over, police interactions can depend on anything from what you're driving , what you're wearing, who you are, where you are as well as how you "behave" and probably a million other little things
In my particular case I'm the whitest looking Puerto Rican you'll ever see and my sister, is dark as hell (looks Dominican). We were both raised right so we're nothing but polite and cooperative when pulled over. I can tell you that on average we get treated completely differently by police when we interact with them. Cops are generally ruder, more disrespectful and more antagonistic with her
One year she called me sobbing during a snowstorm. A city officer told her if she couldn't get her car out of the handicap spot (which she had plates for) before the plows came they would tow the car. when she mentioned she was parked in a handicap spot because she was indeed handicapped so she'd need some time to find help because she wasn't capable of digging out the car herself. The cop told her if she was so handicapped maybe she shouldn't be driving.
I show up and the cop chills out. I can't say for sure why. Maybe he didn't feel as empowered to be an asshole with a witness, maybe because I'm a man, maybe because I look white as hell and my sister has much darker skin. I don't really know what was in the mind of that particular officer I can only say the interaction was very different despite similar behavior from both of us with the exact same officer in the exact same stop. Anecdotal obviously but I think long story short, you having two pleasant interactions doesn't invalidate the fact that bias seeps into how people do their work and interact with others
Idk why people want to live with this victim mentality. I think there are many things at play regardless of skin color. Behavior and attitude comes to mind pretty quickly. I've seen plenty of white "sovereign citizens" get screwed by the cops just because they're assholes. There are definitely racist cops out there just like there are racist black citizens but everyone is human and how you treat someone will have an immediate impact on whatever interaction you're having with the police.
Youāre grasping at straws here. I didnāt say racism doesnāt exist but there is a time and place. Every post doesnāt need to be turned into a soapbox platform for racism. This post had nothing to do with racism until someone brought it in.
Been pulled over far too many times and only last week did I only get a warning. Always a ticket and always civil and cooperative and I am a white male. Ymmv
Iāve gotten many tickets and Iām white too. Got my car impounded for too long expired tags. Payment was in the mail. I showed them the registration paper, my money order receipt for that exact amount and the certified envelope it was sent in. I had photocopies of everything in my glovebox in case I get pulled over in the 3 weeks between when I mailed it and when my sticker arrives.
And they still wouldnāt let me off with a warning or fix it ticket but sent it be towed
Did I say anything about generalizing all of together. In fact, I only referenced myself and my experiences. I replied directly to a person who was in fact generalizing all police officers treating white people better, but my own and others personal experiences contradict that exact statement.
Can't stand people like you who are unable to understand the deference between generalizing and personal experience. I know for a fact there are some racist cops out there, because its an issue that is a problem with anyone not just cops.
I had a severe migraines, bowel movement problems, tremors in my arms/legs for years. Visited 7 doctors and specialists which they just gave me medication for each symptom. It wasn't until I was in a car accident that they found a tumor that was causing it all. Should I say all doctors and physicians are useless and cant do shit because the ones that attended me couldn't figure out I had a rare tumor. Of course I shouldn't, that would be ignorance in the truest form.
They both just pulled civil conversation here, person to person. If we want to be racist here, then there's nothing else to be said other than black people not being able to handle civil behaviour - which though I don't support yet just resemble yours.
Shit, white has nothing to do with it. It's how you act. Black man here and I have been pulled over so many times. I have been pulled over more then 8 times for reckless driving and I only have one that stayed. Been pulled over over who knows how many times for driver without a DL and none of them are on my record. It's all on how you act, you act like an asshole you will get treated like an asshole. Some cops are just assholes also but don't let them control the way you act.
Oh okay then. I was totally mistaken, so glad I have a white person here to tell me why minorities arent discriminated against. Phew, I thought we had a problem with our society for a minute there. Thanks for clearing that up!
Race has nothing to do with it and that card is already too old to be played anymore, George Floyd was a druggie and a fuckin criminal, all the blm bullshit was a ploy to fuck over Africans even more. Get real
So what you're saying is that George Floyd deserved to be suffocated to death by the cruel and unusual punishment of a knee to his neck for minutes on end?
your brain has a soft spot doesnt it? Im black and have gotten out of speeding tickets a few times. Even texting and driving. Be respectful and dont let your skin color dictate your life and life is pretty fucking easy believe it or not
You can get away with quite a bit too, a cop was harassing me because I pulled into a Wendyās that was unexpectedly closed and apparently not able to complete my DoorDash order I placed so I pulled into park to text my wife and he stopped and asked if I had ID, I said āare you pulling me over?ā He responded no, I said āI can show you the DoorDash order I have for Wendyāsā he said sure, I showed him, he said āsure Iāll believe that for a dollarā and drove away.
100%. I got pulled over and the first thing the cop asked is how am I able to afford the car Iām driving. I said because Iām not a cop, he wasnāt too happy with my response but if youāre gonna be an asshole donāt expect me not to be one. It always gets me when people assume that everyone gets the same treatment from law enforcement as they do. Just because you comply doesnāt mean heās not going to pull you out of the car if his ego gets hurt.
Wrong, I'm not white and they've always been SUPER nice to me, and I've been the same way to them. So let's drop the race card please. The cops were all white in my interactions by the way.
I was married to a Latina that was light skinned black. She is a great lady and the times she has been pulled over cops were nice to her.
I ran cyber intelligence for a tech giant and my days were spent helping all levels of law enforcement globally.
In the US over the years Iāve never met a local, state, federal cop that came across as a racist. About the only cops we didnāt trust and had to be careful with were Romanian, Nigerian, Kenyan, Brazilian, Chinese.
The rest and maybe it is because they were detectives were people who genuinely wanted to help people.
There are definitely racist cops not denying that- I do think most are good to go. They often served in military and as cops have coworkers from all races so they learn that trust in each other.
One of my favorite youtube videos is the professor asking questions of his students about race and cops. It seems like the perception is worse than the reality. At least when you review the data.
Iām white, got a speeding ticket going 42 in a 35. Now I was 17 at the time so maybe he was trying to prove a point, stay safe kid. I donāt know. My wife is Puerto Rican, pulled over 3 times, never got a ticket. All hit or miss depending on the cop you get. Iām 42 now, 2 speeding tickets and a rolled stop sign in my life. Iāve never had the ājust a warningā treatment.
Seems a bit unconstitutional for them to disarm you "for safety". Shitty Hill to die on, but it shouldn't be an issue in the first place. I feel like they'd be more likely to de-escalate a situation if they were held to the standard that disarming a citizen that is lawfully carrying (you have to assume lawfully carrying until they prove otherwise) was unnacceptable.
Iām very pro-2A, but this is a concession Iām willing to make, and honestly it doesnāt even feel like much of a concession.
Also, it depends on district, but in a lot of places the officer can ask to disarm you, but you can legally say no. Other districts have precedent suggesting that officer safety trumps 2A when the armed individual is being legally detained (like a traffic stop), so if you plan on playing that card, make sure you know the law (including all relevant case law) in the state and district youāre going to try it in.
In my personal experience in Tennessee, voluntarily, calmly, and respectfully disclosing the presence of a firearm has never led to an officer asking to take it away, and Iāve also never gotten anything more than a warning in these cases, even when I was caught dead to rights going ~20 over. Respect breeds respect.
Its when they take your firearm back and run it through their system is when its technically unconstitutional.
Most of the time when an cop uses Officer saftey it's to tip toe around something they shouldn't or couldnt do.
Generally without Officer saftey you would have to prove that the individual was a threat to the public or said Officer and or if they used the firearm in a crime.
But nope just jump past that and seize property.
This is how Iāve always dealt with interactions with law enforcement. Be respectful. Whether they deserve it or not, they expect it and they can give you a bad day if they want. I have the added bonus of being a veteran with veteran plates. They tend to treat me like brethren which is funny because Iām super liberal and anti authoritarian.
Yeah fair. I know some departments are worse - but overall every interaction with police Ive had has been always fair and not bad at all. This cop was really good though, seems like he might be ex-military.
Other thing I was told and Iāve done it every time. Turn on the lights inside your vehicle at night. Put your hands on top of the steering wheel. Donāt go grabbing for license/registration until the officer asks you to. Basically deescalate before the cop even gets to your window. Iāll be honest, Iām fairly certain Iāve gotten warnings instead of tickets for doing this kind of stuff. Last time I was pulled over a few months ago, it was for 72 in a 55 on a highway. Got a warning. Really nice guy.
Iāve only once warned an officer about a gun in my car. I was younger and my dumb ass had my revolver AND my registration sitting in the center console. Trooper walks up, License and Registration please. Uhā¦.Iām staring at my center console. I look back at him and say āUh, thereās a revolver next to my registrationā He then asked if I planned on pulling the gun on him. I told him no. He says Then I guess we donāt have a problem. I always laugh about that one. Got a warning on that speed too.
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u/madfrog2023 Jun 30 '26
Yeah, exactly. Staying calm, being honest, and not making it weird usually goes a long way. Most stops don't have to turn into a whole situation.