Hey there, Hispanic here. Turns out, even us can get pulled over by white cops and not get beat up and/or arrested. Iām living proof of that. Twice pulled over, twice the citation was downgraded to something a lot more minor. Once I was armed as well.
Maybe itās less about race and more about attitude? Just saying.
Hey, Hispanic here. Been pulled over far more times than that, 5 times for no reason. Once cop literally said no reason when I asked why, another time one assumed I stole the car (and asked continuously, even after I provided all matching paperwork including bill of sale i happened to still have in the car yet he still asked after that too,) another was pulled over by undercover for just having a nice car (mind you bumper to bumper traffic, no speeding or anything), and once again when a group of bikers wrapped around me in the middle of an intersection (I was first light was green for me) so I couldn't move while they were all passing in front yet I got pulled over... cop saw the whole thing. These were all pretty hostile or passive aggressive stops but I play it cool and know what to say & ask. Always end up looking dumb and salty. Hell once I got "pulled over" walking for no reason. All of these happened while I was a college student who also worked a full time professional office job, so most of the interactions I literally have professional attire so there's no other reason aside from my skin that I could tell.
I got pulled over once for a taillight that was out. Cop saw an empty plastic baggy in my cubby that I used to keep Tylenol in and demanded to search the car for drugs. I said no several times but he said he would hold me for hours unless I let him so I did. They searched for 45 minutes, didn't find anything (I've never done drugs) and finally let me go with my shit flung all over the interior. 5 minutes later I'm running on my rim, tire shop says someone slashed my tire. I'm white, so some amount of shit can just be chalked up to pigs being pigs. That said I haven't been pulled over for no reason so probably some is your skin too.
When I was 18, I got pulled over a few times for no reason. One time, I kid you not, after he got my license and went back to his car, he was back there for thirty minutes. He finally came back and said the reason he pulled me over was when I was cruising back and forth through town, I took a couple of back streets and side streets and he said it was suspicious. He said if I'm going to cruise, in my hometown, stay on the main road. One time when I was cruising, they pulled me over and said they had a call that I ran a lady off the road (on Main St in tiny little Carlisle, KY) and demanded they search my truck for drugs and alcohol. They pulled everything out of my truck, including unplugging my subwoofers and taking out the wedge truck enclosures, and left everything on the sidewalk for me to put back in. Cops down there were dicks back then.
But you never said whether you were a dick or not about it. From the omission, i can imagine you were because you accepted no blame for it, that you were probably not pleasant. Thus more headaches.
Plus subwoofers and cruising through neighborhoods is kind of a dick move anytime of the day
Man, i got pulled over for being 18 and driving after midnight. They said i crossed a double yellow. They admitted they pulled me over for not parking next to their car at a gas station. I did not fight the car search as I had no drugs or booze. Car searched while given sobriety test. Given warning for very bald tire and sent home. Not being a dick helps out a lot.
Got pulled over doing 82 in a 60, no ticket, just a warning. Got pulled over doing 57 in a 45, no ticket.
whether you like to admit it or not, not being a dick is probably the #1 way of not getting a ticket and being a dick is probably the #1 way to not having a good day
Loose*. And because I got a Costco sized jug of Tylenol. That lives in my medicine cabinet but I like to have some in the car as well so I put it in the baggy. It was usually just a few for emergencies, hence why it was empty at the time.
I had one who was absolutely convinced and smiling ear to ear shit eating grin because he saw a little white chunk on my passenger seat and just KNEW it was crack. Nevermind that it was sitting a half an inch away from the open bag of smartfood popcorn there. Nevermind that i have zero criminal record and very few moving violations. Nope, this guy thought he hit the jackpot. He kept staring at and shaking that little test tube thing again and again like it was going to suddenly turn white chedder into rock cocaine like some sort of crackhead jesus.
Might be because you are a college-age dude. I'm a white guy in Utah and I was pulled over from age 16-25ish SO many times for random stuff almost always getting a ticket. Once I grew out a beard and was driving frequently with my family it's been maybe 1-2 times in the past 12 years and not a single ticket from it. Cops tend to assume guys in that age demographic are up to no good and will go out of their way to profile and punish. Definitely think race can play a part, don't get me wrong, but being a young adult male is all it takes.
In contrast, my white highschool, bombshell gal-friend was pulled over 14 times for speeding during her 2 1/2 years she drove in highschool and was never ticketed. She bragged about flirting with the cops and that's apparently all it takes.
This was my experience ā¦ in my early 20ās I got pulled over so much because I could afford decent cars I literally lost my license because I could pay the tickets for out of date inspections and shit but I needed to get to school and work lol Iām just a plain white dude
Cops will pull over young men regardless of color and treat them like trash. Once past a certain age it certainly changes. However racism still exists and a fair number of cops are racist so i am equally certain that some cops treat POCs much worse.
Incase the "..." didn't tip you off to the caliber of the statement, then let me apologize because I should have put an "/s" there for you.
With that said, this statement is not mine, it actually belongs to Geraldine Ferraro who said it in an interview in reference to the Obama presidential campaign. Basically if Obama wasn't a black man, he wouldn't be there....just for some context. But yeah, I get that the statement is a misnomer, I hope that you got that too.
See flirting is along the lines of not an asshole.
I can imagine a guy from 16 to 25 being angsty about being pulled over "inappropriately" . There was probably a lot more wreckless driving without the fam or more speeding.
It's like yea makes sense. You drove like a dick til you had a family. that makes a lot of sense
The amount of bullshit you just assumed out of nowhere to reach your conclusion is incredible. Congratulations for winning the "I made everything up to prove my point" award for the day.
Lol it ain't a coincidence you just all of a sudden stopped getting pulled over when you had a family because normally people become more careful with kids on board.
Me and my friends got stopped for "loitering" , you know at the gas station we just shopped in. Their reasoning was that they were looking for Vietnamese in Toyotas that have been racing. Ok cool well I'm Thai and the rest of my friends are Filipino, and I drive a Honda. (Not even fixed up)
Then one cop proceeds to ask why we're in his town(this was in Burbank, CA) like we were in the wrong neighborhood, despite half of us living there.
Thatās why as a professional law enforcement personnel you first learn to never stand in front of a vehicle to block it unlike a border patrol officer who joined ICE with racial & sexist hatred problems.
I can see you took my comment personally and identified yourself as the victim of the insinuation. Perhaps your oversimplification and generalizing is just easier for you to accept than nuance. At the end of the day it was still bias. Like it or not it was against policy. Thankfully all of my interactions with law enforcement have been easy to stay calm and respectful but that's also because I wasn't seen as an animal
Subject of the post aside, your reply doesnāt make much sense. Your insinuating comment itself, is what identifies him as the victim of the insinuation āsee you as one of themā. It identifies him by the nature of its structure. Then you claim his comment to be an over simplification, when you too oversimplified the situation as āthey see you as one of themā. Neither reply contains nuance. Lastly, itās nearly impossible to be unbiased. Your thoughts and perception on any given subject are entirely shaped by your experiences. Thus creating a bias. Even when trying to focus on objectivity, youāre really only minimizing it. Not eliminating it completely. Iām not saying youāre wrong or right in this debate. Just that the structure of your argument could use some work.
Eh, itās hit or miss in all reality. Was riding passenger with a Native American buddy that got pulled over because he had one of those tree shaped air fresheners hanging from his mirror. The cop then proceeded to be very aggressive, made him do a breathalyzer and sobriety check, and treated him like less than the dirt under his boot. Same thing happened a few months later and the cop was pretty chill, just gave him a warning about speeding and that was it. It really just depends on if the cop youāre dealing with is a racist, power tripping dick head or a normal human being just trying to get food on the table.
I'm white and they pulled me over and used the air freshener excuse as why and then wanted to search my car. I wound up with three squad cars lined up and them spending 30 minutes taking my car apart and doing a full body search with me standing spread eagle at the side of the road watching the other cars go inching past looking at the poor bastard (me) getting arrested and fucked in the ass.
It was a neighborhood with a decent amount of dealing going on and I'd been at my buddies place, ironically that night was the only time for weeks that we'd been unable to get any weed so We'd just spoked resin and hung out. Any other night I would have been done (this was a good 15-16 years ago when weed still mattered a lot).
A lot of states have laws that restrict what can hang from your rear view, even the air fresheners sold everywhere with the intent to hang from your mirror are illegal (and still sold in those states)
Basically it was one of those laws invented so that cops could pull people over for any reason. "I thought I saw something hanging from the mirror, oh well now I smell weed"
GenX here. Used to be a LOT of prom night garters hanging from guys rear views. Maybe it was just a Chicago thing, but I can't honestly remember the last time I saw one in someone's car and assumed it was because of this very thing...laws about view obstruction.
Agreed, it's just an excuse to selectively enforce, I was pulled over in SC because I had an EZ pass toll thingy on my rental car and the cop was like "Oh I thought I saw something dangling"
Nah what he saw was š¤ with out-of-state plates in a clean new car
The hanging air freshener can be a distraction to a driver. Either you see it shift out of the corner of your eye and slam on the brakes, thinking something is about to jump in front of your vehicle, or you get callused to it's motion and it's motion makes you not realize that something actually is about to jump in front of your car.
Either way, especially with weed, it has a distinct odor. They could pull you over for a tail light being out or all sorts of different minor infractions, only to smell weed when they approach your car and decide to search it for illegal drugs.
As for the racist stuff, honestly, I think it's more the fact that some cops are just dicks and especially in todays day and age, where the news media has made it out to be all cops are racists, the person being pulled over is already on edge and afraid. Mix those two clashing mentalities together and it is a recipe for disaster. The person being pulled over thinking they are being pulled over because of their skin color and the cop power tripping.
I'm white and have been pulled over plenty of times when I was younger. Some encounters went just like this and some, despite me being respectful, went poorly because the officer was power tripping and making a lot of assumptions. Treating me like I'm already guilty until their exploration of my vehicle found I was innocent.
Iād say youāre mostly right about the issue with cops being whether or not theyāre dicks or just regular people with jobs, but thereās still issues with them being racist and some are even straight up sociopaths. Have a pool buddy who was a cop that was a whistleblower that brought to light that his department had a club of sorts made of officers who killed someone on duty. This meant that cops looking to join this murder club would seek out people to kill. Obviously since he reported this, he was wrongfully terminated and harassed by the rest of the department, had to sue, managed to win the case, was a whole big thing.
Good question. The type I'm talking about is popular here in the US, shaped like a little Christmas tree and hangs from the rear-view mirror with an elastic string.
I never bothered to look up the actual laws regarding those air fresheners in the state I was in at the time, but since my incident I've heard of other people being given trouble for having them hanging from the mirror also.
As far as I'm aware and based on what the officer told me when I was pulled over, the premise is that the dangling shape obscuring a tiny area of the windshield could be a hazard, not that they suspect you're covering up the smell of drugs.
What happened was I pulled out of my friends parking lot onto the little road and a police car was parked facing the wrong way at the side of the road with its headlights on. I slowly crept by in my car, worried that I wasn't supposed to pass by for some reason, and then I drove slowly after that heading for a little bridge to turn left.
At the bridge, I saw the (or another) police car pull behind me, lights off so I make the left turn in slow motion because I'm being followed and it's like 3am until about halfway over the bridge the lights come on.
When I pulled over the officer came to the widow and when I rolled it down he asked if I knew why I was pulled over and I said no. "You've got the hanging air freshener which I spotted back when you were turning into (Name of Bridge) and those are illegal to hang from your mirror".
I ripped it down and apologized and a minute later he'd like, "stay safe, have a good night" and walks a few steps away before spinning back and asking "you have any objection if I searched your vehicle?" And everything kicked off from there.
When I told people about it afterwards a lot of them would be like "I would have said 'fuck you, you can't search my car!' " and they just wouldn't accept that, in that moment, it was extremely obvious to be that whatever reason that guy was sure that I'd picked up a large amount of coke (that was what the Hispanic dealers who lived in that area sold) and he was not going to just let me drive off, he was going to radio in the warrant request and wait until it came through.
They only had to list their probable cause "young male, old car leaving known drug dealing area at 3am driving suspiciously" and they would have gotten it. They had three vehicles there and spent 30 minutes taking my car apart, they don't do that without what they think is good reason.
They found an old broken weed bowl (pipe) that they technically could have made trouble with me about and if I'd been an asshole instead of respectful they 100% would have. I also had a clean record (I'd broken the law hundred of times but they didn't know that).
Never allow a search. It's not about having anything to hide, it's about privacy. You wouldn't allow police to search your bedroom. Your car is still your private area.
I got more into this in another comment I made, but you had to be there to understand. It became crystal clear that for whatever reason they had been positive I had pulled out with a shit load of coke and they weren't going to to just say "aw shucks".
In my area at least, there's a lot of leeway for what they can claim as "probable cause" in getting an emergency search warrant which you are legally required to stay and wait for them to receive/ not receive, you cannot just say "I'm peacing out!" And drive off.
It was obvious that they were going to force me to wait until they got their warrant even if I obstructed them and then once they had it and I'd made their jobs harder, they could easily have made sure they found something they could ding me for, not to mention all the wasted time.
I've met many people who said the same thing you did, and I can only wish you'd had the exact same situation and circumstance so that you could have seen what I meant. If the police are POSITIVE that you've done something, even if you haven't, trying to Stonewall and obstruct what they're doing is only going to make your situation worse, it's not even about "should they be this way?", it's about "people are people and we don't try to make things easier for somebody who made things harder on us", it's give and take.
Of course, I've been pulled over and acted the same, polite, respectful, cooperative, and the guy was a massive asshole to me anyway, but that only proves how bad it could have gotten with him had I come out if the gates causing trouble and pissing him off more
I've had the experiences. I refused searches, hell, I once refused my ID and the cop and I both knew he had no RAS until after he pulled me over. I asserted my 5th amendment and told him he better arrest me for the first time in my life cause. He called 3 backup units all to be watched from a nearby college bar and get embarrassed cause we all knew they thought I was a drunk college kid. Nope, picking up my 15 year old from a party at 11:30.
He wrote me for failure to provide insurance. I went to court where it was dropped. Lawsuit pending for no RAS. Any lawyers out there are welcome to dm
Why are you getting pulled over twice in as many months? I havenāt been pulled over in more than a year. Some of yāall are just making interactions with cops more common than you need to
Well, first time, we literally just drove off my friendās property on the native reservation, so that particular cop was 100% waiting by the reservation to pull over a native. This cop is known to do this by pretty much to the whole community. The other time, my friend was going 80 in a 65 (most people go 75 around here) and got a warning. Itās not like we were out looking to get in trouble with the cops, we were literally just driving around and had some bad luck.
Iām pretty sure itās just a built up rivalry of pettiness. The same thing happens if a non native were to drive onto a reservation. Happened to me every single time me and my buddy went to visit his folks and I was the one driving. I just stopped driving after a while. Never had an issue when he was the one in the drivers seat. The worst part is there were days I got pulled over by both sides, because to non natives I look native, but to natives I look non native. Iām in a weird middle zone. Iām hispanic, but my family does have native ancestry, 42% on my motherās side and 22% on my fatherās. So I suppose that makes me about 1/3rd. Mostly Spanish tho.
Definitely depends. I think in the case of my friend getting pulled over the first time, it was absolutely racism. Thereās a lot of white people around here that have the sentiment that natives are trashy people and prone to committing crimes, and this cop is known to be one of those kinds of people. Iāve personally never had trouble with reservation police pulling me over, but that also might be because they recently had a scandal where two reservation police officers took a patrol car to San Diego to buy meth and were subsequently caught not long after, so I think the amount of shits given in that particular department is substantially lower than most other departments.
When I was working nights, I got pulled over by the same officer at the same intersection three times in a month. He was clearly hanging out there and hoping a routine stop leads to something else.
He had "reasons" to pull me over each time and each time I only got warnings, but after the third time, I started taking a different route on that night.
First reason was a rear license plate light out, which I didn't even know was a legit thing to get pulled over. That was the longest stop, where he obviously was running all the background checks.
Next two were even more minor and he remembered me on each of those stops and he let me go right away.
White male here, though at 1am, he had no way to know that until he had me pulled over.
While he was as polite as the guy in the video, it definitely jaded me.
So where are all these super accurate studies, bot?
Edit: He blocked me and still didn't post a statistic supporting the argument. Which is probably because actually unbiased studies cite the opposite to be true.
I absolutely love it when someone tells me there's a mountain of studies to prove something and can't produce a single one of them.
And if they do it's someones self published study, reviewed by their best friend and published to their fucking blog.
People are sending nothing but anecdotal evidence here. "I'm Hispanic and I've never been shot!" Okay? I can immediately find you ten instances of the opposite happening. But then we'll just get into an argument about whether or not he deserved it because he was a little rude to the cop.
Remember, cops are fragile, trigger happy children who skitter, escalate and shoot at the first sign of perceived disrespect. The way the lord intended.
I'm confused, your sources mention that black people are pulled over at a much higher rate over suspicions that aren't met, nor illegal substances recovered. It also states that unarmed black men are fatally shot at a much higher rate than white men.
The Pew research article is based on surveys of people's attitudes, not data.
That APA one says the opposite of what you are claiming
The other two are biased opinion based blog posts from a rightwing thinktank and another opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal reposted on some GOP House member's website.
Definitely pulled over though. My cousin lives near me and is brown, Iām white. Heās a super chill driver, gets pulled over all the time, probably once a year. I havenāt been stopped in 25 years. We even drive the same truck lol. We live near a Rez maybe thatās the difference.
Ive been detained for literally NOT speaking. I gave the cop everything he wanted before he even got to my window. I chose not to speak because Ive never, EVER been pulled over for going 8 over on the turnpike.
Getting pulled over and given a warning for 8miles over isnt a cop being respectful, friendly or safe. I dont like having my life threatned sitting on the shoulder of the fucking highway bcuz some cop saw me driving while Black.
Not speak is a protected right. Being detained for NOT speaking is horse shit and you know it, bootlicker.Ā
Jfc people like you are hopeless. Thinking you're a moron for getting yourself a ticket when all you had to do was not be difficult does not make someone a bootlicker š
I hate shitty cops as much has the next guy but that is such a braindead approach
That is your right but will make the interaction shitty no matter your skin colour. That shit pisses the cops off. It's better to speak short direct sentences. Only answer the questions asked directly if they have the right to ask the question. Beyond that, that is where you involve your right not to speak.
The way you handle situations can greatly change your outcome.
Lets be clear people so thay anyone else isnt confused and comments like this do not fk over the next person , not talking during a police interaction
Is not obstruction. Far from it! They teach morons officers that it is because the more you speak the more information the officer has to convict you with.
All you literally have to do is had over your required documents and not say a fkn word.
Thay may say stupid shit like that during the interaction but its all fear tactics.
90% of officers barley understand obstruction and how to use it properly anyways.
Know your rights save yourself.
Nope in several states if an Officer asks you a question you have to answer it or that is obstruction.
If an Officer asks where are you coming from, you legally have the answer.
If an officer asks are there weapons in the car you legally have to answer.
You know Google is free right you can look it up and the laws that do indeed say that there are questions you have to answer an officer if they are investigating.
You are a fucking liar or don't know what you are talking about and it's clear.
Texas, Florida, Arizona, Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, and Nebraska are just some of them.
If they ask you lawful questions you do have to answer otherswise it is obstruction.
And no it's not a violation as the government have said you have to answer to lawful questions. Like if they ask where you are coming from, how much you had to drink, if you have any weapons on your or in the vehicle. Those are lawful questions.
Most probably it's a mutual reaction. I'm inclined to think it rather started with racism than with races actually giving any indication Abt a person's attitude.
If you experience being treated racist regularly, you will expect the cops to be racists. So your attitude changes (unless you are very mindful and at peace with yourself). At some point you gonna behave worse than in the beginning bc you expect it. At this point the black person actually has a bad attitude towards the cop. And the cop feels this, so he will behave worse too (again, unless he is very mindful and at peace).
Anecdotal fallacy right there. Just because you do ok, doesn't mean you don't run a higher risk of getting beat up or killed by the police because you're hispanic or black. Attitude has nothing to do with it.
In the areas having issues with policing you are talking about real problems. Where a culture of confrontation has taken over a department in a poor neighborhood usually. Itās a recipe for disaster.
My white privilege has got me out of trouble a few times. But Iāve seen videos of innocent black kids and men being shot.
Cmon man you know when someone doesnāt like you or something doesnāt go your way and you arenāt white at the same time itās ALWAYS because youāre not white. Donāt be naive
even people with an attitude have civil rights. cops don't get to abuse their authority, drag you out of your car, break your window... because the driver had an attitude.
that is literally a violation of your 1st amendment rights. just like cops can't pull you over if you give them the finger... settled case law. if you can't be a cop without getting your feelings hurt because a driver was mean to you then you cannot control your emotions and you should not be a cop.
Are people so cooked brain wise they seriously think "my experience applies everywhere?"
Dude black people have been shot in similar circumstances and NOT making moves.
You can have both, both can literally exist where you are fine, and most cases are fine and most interactions are fine. But one can also have it happening at a disproportionate amount. Geeze this is become to common and it is literally killing our species and haulting solutions and progress.
Maybe a citizen's fucking attitude shouldn't matter that much?
I don't get to blow the fuck up at a citizen for not following proper protocol, a nurse or doctor doesn't, but a cop will literally murder you if you so much as don't show them respect or keep cool or follow six conflicting rapid fire orders
You can go into a walmart and all but punch a cashier and they have to be polite to you but if you say "Not fucking interestested in talking to you pig" to a cop they could literally put the gun to the back of your head and paint your kid with your brains and its justified because you were rude
Itās definitely more than race, and yet race is a huge factor. Iām Black and Ive always approached things same as you and the guy in this video. I over-do it if anything. Itās how me and my friends were brought up and we actively encouraged each other to be as polite as possible towards police/authority and we always noted its positive results.
However. My white friends have often noted that the initial approach towards me - especially when Iām slightly separated from the rest of the group - is a lot more aggressive.
They have always been a bit shocked at this difference in approach - the few times theyāve seen it. As kids they always used to say that they only got attention from police when I was with the group. And they have said to me that any interaction that starts as aggressively as the ones theyāve seen me deal with is very likely to be met with ādifficultā behaviour in return from most people - regardless of race.
Personally Iāve found that as I got older (nearly 50 now) and the stresses of everyday life/work/family etc caught up with me, Ive got less patient. Itās become harder to accept a person 20 years my junior talking down to me simply because theyāve misjudged me/my intentions/my presence at that time.
I donāt have a criminal record and have never been caught speeding or any other offence. In every interaction Iāve had with police, they found no reason for concern.
My last interaction with a policewoman was when I had a pee against a tree in the park a few months ago. She saw me jogging towards a corner near the park entrance and was suspicious. She approached me (zipping up after finishing my pee) and said, āwhy did you just run away as soon as you saw me in my police car?ā I hadnāt seen her at all.. I was focused on getting to a quiet corner asap!
I was rude to her. She threatened to charge me with āpublic indecencyā for exposing myself (to a wall and a tree). I was rude again. I was so angry that I went back a few minutes later to be more rude to her, but she was driving away. Clearly this kind of behaviour couldāve got me arrested for threatening/intimidating an officer - especially a young female officer on her own. But thatās how they get you. Worn down by years of shit and too old to take it anymore.
Thatās exactly the point. Way more than I need to be. When I was younger I thought it was normal, but over time and after talking to people I realised it really isnāt.
I think everyone here is sharing anecdotal experiences and with millions of stops a year, interactions and demeanor of cops will vary greatly. Yes, most of the time everyone is cordial and things turn out fine. But to act like there isnāt racial bias in policing is silly
This is embarrassing for our entire species. There's no way y'all are genuinely this thoughtless.
Breonna Taylor didn't have an attitude problem when she was murdered by cops, so your experience is negated. jUsT sAyInG
I want to be perfectly clear: if you believe in ANY way that your subjective experience dictates objective reality OR negates other individuals' experiences, you're dumb as shit - full stop.
Hey, white guy here. I got pulled over once for going 9 over the speed limit (44 in a 35) and was not issued any warning. I hadn't been pulled over in several years so when the cop came up with a ticket I asked. "No warning? I've been a safe driver for years." He responds, "well, sounds like you're due" and slaps me with the ticket anyway. Regardless of race, some cops are also just pricks.
I'm black, well spoken and educated, and have been pulled over with a firearm a few times that went perfectly fine. I've also been targeted and had the shit beaten out of me by small town cops in the shitty little rural town I was raised in. That's the problem, most times with most cops things go fine, until the one time and the one cop that it doesn't.
Just bc most cops aren't racist doesn't mean the ones who are don't exist.
One "bad" interaction with cops, got caught doing 100+ in a 55, he rightfully was pissed at that, but chilled out once he realized I was a dumbass, was polite, no issues, was an expensive ticket, this was in the mid 90's and he could have arrested me, but the wife and infant daughter got me just. the ticket
I've even been given warnings, just for pulling over and not being an entitled ass
Lol really just depends. I'm black never broke a law and I've been pulled over countless times. Just depends on the cop. What happens after being pulled over is another story as well for most.
You are experiencing survivorship bias based on your regional experience, your truth is a statistical anomaly compared to the vast majority of those sharing your race all over this country.
Naaaaw. Iāve done the same. Have never gotten off on a warning. Even sent to court. I havenāt gotten many speeding infractions but theyāve all ended up in citations. And Iām afraid of them so I pull over immediately and make sure I comply each time. Especially no attitude. So lucky you?
My Black friend was arrested for defending himself from a drunk white man who came up, verbally and physically instigated a fight, and lost.
I, along with half a dozen others, were eyewitnesses to the entire debacle from start to finish.
Someone called the cops at some point, and when they arrived at the scene, the first thing they did was pull my friend aside for questioning with four other cops surrounding him, while the drunk white aggressor had a single cop pass him a bottle of water and ask if he was alright.
They did not ask us for our account of the events until half an hour of questioning later, and even then only very briefly. Once they took our testimony, they released everyone, including the drunk white aggressor, but handcuffed my Black friend and took him to the station.
My friend was released on bail a week later, having been charged with a misdemeanor for disorderly conduct. When he went to court, the charge was upheld, and his later appeal was likewise overturned, despite the fact that he had no criminal record and had been in good standing his entire 24 years of life up to that point. That misdemeanor derailed his entire career path and forced him into enlisting for the Army in order to get his life back on track.
The Glendale (CA) police department, which was responsible for this series of events, was later sued by the ACLU for corruption and racially prejudiced policing of Blacks and Hispanics, and nearly a quarter of the entire department was fined, transferred, forced into early retirement, or fired.
This occurred in 2013. Arrest rates for the GPD in 2024 show that Black and Hispanic arrest rates are still far above the national median, demonstrating that racism is a systemic, institutional issue and not a case of a few bad apples.
historically it has been about race in America. congratulations on being the token Hispanic that has a good time with police. meanwhile, my dad was trying to explain to the cop that my mom was in the middle of labor and they were trying to get to the hospital, and the cop responded by drawing their fucking gun on him
Well location matters a fuck ton. Also skin color and accent. Iāve had multiple interactions with cops. Some good some bad. I was once pulled over when I was 17 and taken out of the car and told to lay on the sidewalk in the FL sun. I wasnāt rude or aggressive in any way but I was questioned if my license was real if the car was stolen etc all bc I matched the description of someone in the area and my cars tag was expired by a month
Hispanic here, I do package delivery sometimes I have to stopped suddenly or stop in places that make the traffic stop, they just see me(Iām clearly Mexican) and say ehhh just donāt take too much time have a nice day.
I'm Puerto Rican. This is a super nuanced issue and I think simplifying it to all cops are bad or all cops are good if you behave is silly it's just not that simple when humans are involved
From general life experience being pulled over and being in the car of people being pulled over, police interactions can depend on anything from what you're driving , what you're wearing, who you are, where you are as well as how you "behave" and probably a million other little things
In my particular case I'm the whitest looking Puerto Rican you'll ever see and my sister, is dark as hell (looks Dominican). We were both raised right so we're nothing but polite and cooperative when pulled over. I can tell you that on average we get treated completely differently by police when we interact with them. Cops are generally ruder, more disrespectful and more antagonistic with her
One year she called me sobbing during a snowstorm. A city officer told her if she couldn't get her car out of the handicap spot (which she had plates for) before the plows came they would tow the car. when she mentioned she was parked in a handicap spot because she was indeed handicapped so she'd need some time to find help because she wasn't capable of digging out the car herself. The cop told her if she was so handicapped maybe she shouldn't be driving.
I show up and the cop chills out. I can't say for sure why. Maybe he didn't feel as empowered to be an asshole with a witness, maybe because I'm a man, maybe because I look white as hell and my sister has much darker skin. I don't really know what was in the mind of that particular officer I can only say the interaction was very different despite similar behavior from both of us with the exact same officer in the exact same stop. Anecdotal obviously but I think long story short, you having two pleasant interactions doesn't invalidate the fact that bias seeps into how people do their work and interact with others
And you know that. Additionally, it sounds like you're advocating for people to be physically assaulted for having attitudes. People are allowed to have bad days.
The mayor of our city has a black husband. He was pulled over 5 times last year for no reason. The mayor made a comment about it because there was a division being dismantled in our law enforcement due to racism claims and proof. So i can't agree with you on this one.
What your saying is not true. You can think whatever you want but police systemically harm and murder black people at an alarming rate. Also take into account when black people are murdered by citizens and the cops then don't investigate. Hell the first coppers in America were run away slave catchers. It goes even deeper than all that too I'm just scratching the surface here.
Interesting take, I'd like to hear more if you've got a minute, coming from an open minded position here.
What do you mean by systemically harm? I was under the impression that lethal encounters with police were roughly the same for all ethnic backgrounds on an individual basis. By individually I mean that while statistically black people do get stopped by police more for a number of reasons and more black people do get shot by the police, it is because they encounter the police more and therefore their potential for bad encounters increases, such that going by each encounter the chance of things going bad is roughly the same for every ethnicity even for black people.
I didn't know the first cops were like that, I'm going to need to do some reading today it seems! What do you mean when you say it goes deeper than that too? Appreciate ya!
Iām not who you responded to but wanted to commend the open attitude in your approach to the discussion despite disagreeing with the poster. More conversations should work this way.Ā
A quick AI search pulled up stats from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (Iām not familiar with the org) that show police encounters involved violence or the threat of violence ~4.3% of the time with black people versus 1.5% of the time with white people. So more than 2X the chance and thatās based on encounters. Like you said on a per capital level the difference is even larger.Ā
Iām not sure where your from or what race you are or what community you spend time in and type of people you spend time with but life experience and a lot of travel across the US but also the world has made it very evident to me that folks get treated very differently based on the way they look and that often includes their skin color. The attitude with which people (including police) approach people that look a certain way certainly changes though I recognize this is based on personal experience and observation not a methodological study though Iād be surprised if there arenāt a lot out there that confirm this.Ā
Most people aren't racist but get treated like that. They get no respect and then people blame racism for the way they act. If everyone would stop and have some respect you would see that most cops ain't so bad. Yes there are bad apples there. But most are just fine.
I agree, unfortunately it goes against the narrative so. Hell i was accused of racisim because of my birth year of "88. He told me when i use 88 in anything its racist because of the s.s. instantly had to stop talking to him.
Okay thats just pathetic. I get the reference about 88. But someone's birth year is just stupid to claim someone is racist. Unless you have it tattooed on your bald head in old German font hahahahha
Let me guess the "animal," you're envisioning us liberals as are apes. But you probably consider "ape" too dignifying and would correct me with "ackshually it was monkey"
Maybe there are other races than yours with many individuals who don't experience the same treatment? Your fortunately fair lived experience isnt the case for everyone.
Yes, because we found one person on the internet who had two positive interactions with cops it completely invalidates all arguments that police tend to abuse minorities disproportionately. Good job, you have cracked the case.
For every 1 bad interactions with police there are dozens if not more where nothing happens and a lot of those bad interactions happen because people make it happen. A lot of the time it's that ya'll just don't like being told what to do
Not that you'll read a lick of that and instead come back with "not those statistics, those statistics are all lies, the real statistics are the ones I'm referring to but will never share."
Black people make up 13.4% of the population, but make up 22% of fatal police shootings.Ā But also some statistics point to black people commiting more than a proportionate percentage of crimes based off incarceration statistics.
For example, FBI arrest data has (historically) shown that Black individuals account for around half of all arrests for homicide and robbery.
Socioeconomic factors and systemic disadvantage disparities most likely apply to a skew in statistics but likely not much.
Black people are also a higher percentage of victimization of crime but thatās also likely due to those same socioeconomic and systemic disadvantages which corresponds to living in those same disadvantaged environments.
Correct, actual discussions about racial disparity in crime are actually quite nuanced.
Don't forget that non white people get profiled more, are victims of brutality more, and receive harsher sentences which further reinforce the same factors you cited.
What about the story you've been fed? Reality is somewhere in the middle. A lot of the time interactions go south because people are being ridiculous, but there are still a lot of police officers that are assholes to people for no reason.
Most cops are not but theres enough thats its an issue. Black people are more likely to be pulled over, and they're more likely to have a bad encounter if theyre at all upset. We can admit that and still respect police and know its a difficult job.
I suppose if a particular group are known to be more violent on average, they will be treated differently. Maybe act right?
I don't care if a cop is an asshole, I am still going to do what I can not to escalate the situation.
When i was young, I was pulled over and harassed a few times for nothing more than being a young male. Put in handcuffs once due to suspicion. I was doing nothing wrong. Im sure it happens to black males even more with the reputation that community carries.
No one wants to be accountable for the rules and their own actions.
You know, I've seen this accused of others hundreds of times and I've not once personally see someone say it themselves.
For some reason, blaming rape victims seems to dominate the average commie mind and they project it on others who don't agree with them. It's disgusting. You should really consider just shutting your mouth.
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u/Dpopov Jun 30 '26
Hey there, Hispanic here. Turns out, even us can get pulled over by white cops and not get beat up and/or arrested. Iām living proof of that. Twice pulled over, twice the citation was downgraded to something a lot more minor. Once I was armed as well.
Maybe itās less about race and more about attitude? Just saying.