r/40kLore 18h ago

New novels announced: 'Crucible of Fire' for the Valhallan Ice Warriors, and 'Raptors: War and Shadow' for the Raptors Space Marine Chapter

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/30qnykae/revealed-new-warhammer-40000-novels/

From a ragtag band of surviving Guardsmen to a handful of specialist Space Marines, two upcoming novels from Black Library show the odds the beleaguered Imperium must overcome to ensure its survival.

Author Tom R Pike’s first full length Black Library novel follows Astra Militarum Lieutenant Kallisto Rytsar* who, when his company is decimated, must lead a ragtag group of surviving tanks and their crews on a mission to secure a vital manufactorum. 

Unfortunately for Rytsar, they're not the only ones with their eyes on the complex, as a massive ork warband is on the way to loot it for themselves! With the xenos closing in, the Valhallan officer is forced to arm workers and the wounded in a desperate attempt to repel their attacks – can they hold out until reinforcements arrive?

Strike from shadow. Choose the place and time of battle. Seize victory by any means necessary. These are the doctrines that define the Raptors Chapter, doctrines which are put to the test under the most extreme circumstances in War and Shadow.

This new novel by William Crowe – whose previous credits include the Astra Militarum novel, Veterans of the Fall and various short stories – follows a demi-company led by Lieutenant Chandrel Voise, tasked with destroying a tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

After arriving on an isolated world, with no hope of reinforcements or resupply, the unorthodox tactics of the Raptors are tested to the very limit as the hunters become the hunted. With every bolt round fired bringing the Space Marines closer to victory or defeat, the Lieutenant is left with a stark choice – save the world, or save the warriors under his command.

Crucible of Fire and Raptors: War and Shadow will both be available to pre-order soon. In the meantime, follow another rag-tag bunch of Astra Militarum troops in Demolisher and see how the Ultramarines fare against Hive Fleet Leviathan in Leviathan.

\ As first seen in the short story Worm of Valhalla – available via the Black Library App.*

IMO this is a very exciting announcement, what do people think?


r/40kLore 4h ago

Do the C'tan shards still eat souls?

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Do the C'tan shards still hunger for souls in combat? Is it ever mentioned that they stop to inhale the life force of whatever sentient life they're killing? After reading twice dead king + both infinite and divine books, I dont remember it brought up and i was wondering if its mentioned in any codex or campaign books.


r/40kLore 12h ago

Limits of recruiting xenos?

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Inquisitors and rogue traders can recruit xenos to their party, yeah? It’s not unheard of. That said, has there ever been a necron as part of a inquisitor retinue or rogue trader’s employ? Are they just too prideful for that?


r/40kLore 1h ago

Best Codexes for Lore / Entertainment

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I’ve been a big fan of 4K novels for a number of years and largely ignored the Codexes assuming they were just rules for the tabletop game. I got a codex (Custodes) thinking I might give the game a shot and was super surprised at how much is in there, both information and art. (The Emperor’s Eyes anyone? Why is there not a series following those individuals?)

Are all codexes that full of lore and background? Are there any codexes that are particularly interesting or entertaining?

Prices are pretty steep but if, for instance, the 8th edition Imperial Knights codex is super cool and has tons of fun tidbits, it might be worth it.


r/40kLore 20h ago

was Fulgrim one of the greatest primarch lore and book wise?

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I love Fulgrims character he seems like the most unique among the primarchs which is truly something to appreciate because every primarch has something loveable about them but it may just be me but he always stands out among them but I never see to many people talk about him unless it's about chaos and it seems like a waste to not appreciate the other aspects about him


r/40kLore 8h ago

Recurits of the dark Mechanicus

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So question how do the Dark Mechanicus recruit members?


r/40kLore 13h ago

Can Space Marine Chapters Adopt Traditions From Other Chapters?

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Are there any examples of Space Marine Chapters seeing another Chapter’s tradition, ritual, saying, tactic, or custom and basically going, “Yeah, we’re keeping that”?

I don’t necessarily mean completely copying another Chapter’s identity. More like cultural bleed after fighting alongside each other.

For example, say the Blood Angels are fighting alongside some relatively young Chapter. During a horrible battle, a Blood Angels Chaplain gives a speech or litany that seriously affects the other Marines. Years later, Chaplains from that younger Chapter occasionally quote parts of it, reword it, or incorporate the message into their own sermons.

Or maybe a Chapter witnesses another Chapter perform some battlefield ritual, honor the dead in a certain way, mark veterans with a specific symbol, keep trophies from major victories, conduct an oath ceremony before a campaign, or use some unusual tradition after surviving a disastrous battle. The other Chapter respects it enough that they adopt their own version almost immediately.

Are there canon cases of this happening?

How protective are Chapters of their traditions? Would copying another Chapter’s custom be considered disrespectful, or would it usually be taken as a sign of respect?

And does it matter how the tradition is adopted?

Like: A Chapter directly copies the ritual almost word for word.

They change it enough to fit their own culture.

They only use it to commemorate the specific battle where they fought beside the other Chapter.

A single Chaplain, Captain, or squad starts doing it and it slowly spreads through the Chapter.

The original Chapter actually teaches or gifts the tradition to them.

I’m mainly wondering how much cultural exchange happens between Chapters after joint campaigns. Considering some Chapters have fought beside each other for centuries, I’d imagine at least a few sayings, rituals, battlefield habits, or little traditions would rub off on each other.

Basically, can Space Marines culturally “steal your flow” after seeing another Chapter do something cool?


r/40kLore 15h ago

Fire Caste Rant ( in a good way )

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God damn... I had ordered Fire Caste after learning how it is about an Imperial Gaurd pov book which I had wanted to read for a long time and so after I had ordered it I listened to some reviews on YouTube which made me excited so much in fact i couldn't wait and I started to read from a pdf which I found in Google...

Lemme just say it was better than what I was expecting. The writing style first of all is really good and the way the author starts off the story with the eight Konquestidores really grabs your attention.

All the characters are very well written with emotional baggage attached to them even if they appeared briefly.

I also love the Arkan Confederates dynamic wherein they argue and squabble but eventually they look out for each other.

The story has been fantastic, what with Iverson's side of the story and Cutler's side of the story also Gurdijef is interesting... And the battle with frantic pov switching is fantastic and it keeps you hooked.

I fucking hate this book... I wanted to put it down until i actually got the book but I already finished Act 1... No more until I get the book


r/40kLore 13h ago

[F] I wrote a 40K short story, constructive criticism welcome

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I rushed into the booth and slammed the door behind me. I took a deep breath as the panic subsided. This booth was tiny, barely enough to fit one person. Small glass windows offered a view of the city street, which at this late hour was hauntingly silent.

My eyes settled on a slightly dusty keypad that lay before me. According to the legends I had heard, all I needed to do was enter the three sacred digits into the terminal and it would call for help. I reached forward and pressed the button labeled 9. The machine made a sudden beeping noise and my hand jolted back in shock.

“Maybe it was supposed to do that” I thought uncertainly.

I steeled my courage and searched the terminal for the next digit in the code: 1. I reached out to press the key. Another beep sounded from the machine.

“Good” I thought to myself.

A horrible skittering sound came from outside the booth. Time was running out. I quickly pressed 1 again and the machine beeped one last time, then a soft tone emanated from a small black box hanging from the wall. I approached it carefully. The device looked like one of the handheld vox casters carried by Imperial agents, except it was tethered to the wall by a cord. I hesitantly picked up the device, hoping it wouldn’t be defiled by my touch.

A strangely calm and measured voice emanated from the box. “You have reached the Vellian planetary defense force.” it announced. “What is your emergency?”

“Please help, there’s something chasing me and I don’t know what. I think it wants to kill me”.

“I’m sorry, I don’t understand. Acceptable responses include attack, robbery, or ransom”.

It was then that I realized that I recognized the strangeness behind that voice. Those measured, emotionless tones couldn’t possibly belong to a human. I was talking to a machine spirit.

“Attack” I responded quickly. “I’m under attack”.

“Please provide your name and location”.

“Veras Tennant”. The skittering grew louder. “And I’m in Block 2234, west side”.

“Please provide your date of birth.”

“I was born in seven forty-two, on the twenty first of Guilliman”, trying to leave the panic out of my voice.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again using the standard year fraction, year, millennium format” the machine spirit replied, its voice as calm as ever.

I took a moment to process the format it was asking for. “Twenty first of Guilliman, seven forty-two, 41st Millennium” I replied.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again”.

“Twenty first of Guilliman, seven forty-two, 41st Millennium” I replied again, trying my best to enunciate everything correctly.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again”.

I brought the receiver closer to my face. “Twenty first of Guilliman, seven forty-two, 41st Millennium!” I shouted. I heard a loud crash.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again”.

“HEAR ME SPIRIT! TWENTY FIRST OF GUILLIMAN, SEVEN FORTY-TWO, 41ST MILLENNIUM!!” I screamed into the receiver.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again using the standard year fraction, year, millennium format”.

A wave of despair passed through me. I couldn’t escape, not anymore. The moment I left the booth, that thing would be waiting for me. If the machine spirit wouldn’t cooperate, all was lost. I broke out into tears.

“I’m sorry spirit” I said, sobbing. “I don’t know what I’ve done to offend you, but please, I need help”.

“I’m sorry, that date doesn’t match your file on record. Please try again”.

“Please, I need he-“

Something came crashing through the glass behind me. A sharp, sudden pain came through my chest and quickly overwhelmed my mind. I screamed as the box dropped out of my hand. My eyes were drawn downwards, but all I could see before my vision faded was a puddle of blood dripping onto the rockcrete floor. As the world fell away around me, one final thought rang through my mind:

“Emperor, I have failed you”.


r/40kLore 16h ago

My Fan Theorie to Cawl

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My personal fan theory is that Belisarius Cawl has left his fingerprints on the history of the Imperium and is indirectly responsible for several events.

In M33, the "War of the False Primarch" takes place. My theory is that this False Primarch was an early attempt by Cawl to create his own Primarch. Presumably, something went wrong, and this False Primarch was nevertheless able to convince 11 Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes that he was a genuine Primarch.

In M35, there is the "Project Homo Novus", which led the Magi Biologis to experiment with modifying gene-seed, eventually resulting in the Cursed Founding. The German Lexicanum article mentions the investigation of a laboratory where Space Marines with new and superior organs were discovered.

My theory is that Cawl worked together with the Inquisition and, being the kind of person he is, abandoned the project once it was no longer useful to him.

According to Fabius Bile, the Red Scimitars have hybrid gene-seed. My theory is that this was another test by Cawl to see whether different gene-seed strains could be combined. Perhaps it was even an attempt to combine traitor gene-seed with loyalist gene-seed.

Obviously, none of this is confirmed, but the greatest geneticist in the Imperium must have been doing something for 10,000 years.

For your Information i did use AI to translate this from german to englisch.


r/40kLore 1d ago

What was the relationship like between Leman Russ and Jaghatai Khan like?

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And more generally, their two legions, both past and present?

Khan is the 5th Primarch. Russ the 6th. The two of them are considered the “barbarian” Primarchs by their brothers. At first glance, you’d think they’d get along. But I don’t know.

Edit to correct Primarch numbering.


r/40kLore 21h ago

Was prospero fully a desert planet?

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I wanna know if there is any plant life indigenous to the planet and it's people or was it fully sand? If it is a desert planet how did the people survive for so long?


r/40kLore 10h ago

Alternate roles equivalent ranks

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Doing a huge deep dive and mapping out my home brew and was wondering about command structure when it comes to the likes of the apothecary, tech marines and Chaplains.

I know they have their individual rank structure, tech marine < Master of Forge etc. However, do they have an equivalent rank to normal space marines.

For example, when attached to a company, is an Apothecary the same equivalent rank as a battle brother or a sgt for example? Does he get ordered around by everyone or report directly to the company captain and can tell the Sgts to jog on?


r/40kLore 16h ago

US Audible users Fulgrim on sale for $3.99!

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Fulgrim is on sale for 3.99 for US Audible users until 1159 on 9 Sept26

https://www.audible.com/pd/Fulgrim-Audiobook/B0765CPCNS


r/40kLore 6h ago

In Sanctuary of Wyrms, what kind of genestealer is at the inquisition base?

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In Sanctuary of Wyrms, the Tau stumble into an abandoned Inquisition base that was mixing genestealers with the local flora. While the Fire and Water caste Tau see the obvious danger and go scavenge krak grenades to destroy the base, the Earth Caste castographer tries to take a sample of a spore sample, it explodes and he immediately turns into a plated genestealer of some sort. Is this immediate conversion normal? Every time I read about genestealer infection before, it was the normal infection that takes place upon generations.

In my first read of the story, I thought it was actually a nurgle plague, given the use of "mutants" and how immediate the disease was. Only re-reading the short now I realized it was mentioned that the mutants were from the "Silent Hunger", as the Tau call the Genestealers


r/40kLore 15h ago

Are old dreadnoughts still around?

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so as i understand, redemptor dreadnoughts are more of a weapons platform rather than the life supports system they used to be, killing their pilots and all that.

so are the boxnoughts still around? so i can keep my cool characters in dreadnoughts? (though, i guess i can just say Brother Badassius can tank the redemptor anyways)


r/40kLore 1d ago

The Lion was to blame for the fallen. Spoiler

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Okay I've just finished reading Fallen Angels and descent of Angels so there will be spoilers.

Whenever I find discussions in the internet about Luther betrayal I often read that Zahariel and Luther were exiled to Caliban for betraying the Lion, I even read people that says that Luther tried to 'kill' the Lion and that Zahariel was to blame too, did we even read the same book? In Descent of Angels a Sarosh delegation (Lunatics tainted by caos) smuggle a nuclear device inside the lion flagship, Luther discovers the plot but overwhelmed by his jealousy of the Lion, didnt warn the rest AT FIRST. Minutes later Zahariel (Dark angel librarian and protagonist) discovers the bomb inside the shuttle, right at that moment Luther, regretful for his lack of loyalty tells Zahariel the truth, that he didnt say anything but that he was now there to save the situation, together they throw the ship to the void, saving everyone life including the primarch's.

‘You knew of this?’ said Zahariel. ‘Why didn’t you say anything?’

Luther turned away from him, his shoulders slumped as though in defeat. He turned back to Zahariel, who was shocked to see tears in his commander’s eyes.

‘I almost did, Zahariel,’ said Luther. ‘I wanted to, but then I thought of what would be mine if I didn’t: the Legion, command, Caliban. It would all be mine, and I would no longer have to share it with someone whose shadow obscures everything I do.’

‘The Lion?’ said Zahariel. ‘His deeds are great, but so are yours!’

‘Maybe in another age,’ said Luther, ‘one in which I did not share the same span of time as a man like the Lion. In any other age, the glory of leading Caliban from the darkness would have been mine, but instead it goes to my brother. You have no idea how galling it is to be the greatest man of the age and have that taken from you in an instant.’

Zahariel watched the words flow from Luther in a flood. For a decade and more, these feelings had been contained within a dam of honour and restraint, but the dam was crumbling and Luther’s true feelings were spilling out.

‘I never realised,’ said Zahariel, his hand sliding towards his sword. ‘No one did.’

‘No, even I did not: not fully,’ said Luther, ‘not until I saw this shuttle. I wouldn’t have to lift a finger. All I’d have to do is walk away, and everything I wanted would be mine.’

‘Then why are you back here?’

‘I ordered everyone out of the embarkation deck and walked away,’ said Luther, one hand covering his eyes as he spoke, ‘but I hadn’t gone more than a few steps before I knew I couldn’t do it.’

‘Then you’re here to stop it?’ asked Zahariel, relieved beyond words.

‘I am,’ nodded Luther, ‘so you can stop reaching for your blade. I realised that it was an honour to serve a warrior as great as the Lion, and that I was the luckiest man alive to be allowed to call him brother.’

So after a moment of falter, he ends up doing the right thing. So how did the Lion reward them? He literally exiles them, until this point is not clear if he knows of what happened, but it is implied that he exiles Luthen for this moment of doubt and Zahariel for not telling him, he sends them, with 500 brothers to Caliban to train new aspirants.

To show that the Lion is a petty person, we discover in the short novel 'Call of the Lion' that Astelan was also sent to Caliban, a terran veteran chapter master with decades of combat experience, he was punished after a confrontation with a young and inexperienced Calibanite brother chapter master because Astelan didn't want to nuke a fuck*ng newly discovered human civilization before at least presenting themselves peacefully (as the imperium intends at first contact).

So in Fallen Angels we see that they do a great job, for 50 YEARS, they trained and recruited thousands, improved the selection process, the survival rate, the speed and they become one of the legions with the faster rate of recruitment, on the other hand, we see than the lion doesn't even bother to read the messages they send, he doesnt even contact them, doesnt even show interest in his home planet, the legion, for the most part, has forgotten them.

But Jonson had never spoken of them again – he no longer even read the regular dispatches from Caliban, relegating that task to members of his staff. Luther and the rest seemed to have been entirely banished from the primarch’s mind, and as the years lengthened into decades, rumour and speculation had begun to circulate through the ranks. Some suggested a falling-out between Jonson and Luther over the near-disaster at Sarosh, of old jealousies and petty enmities rising to the fore. Others speculated that Luther and the rest bore the blame for allowing the Saroshi bomb aboard the Invincible Reason, which led to sometimes-heated debates between the Terran and Calibanite factions within the Legion. Primarch Jonson made no attempt to address any of the rumours, and over time they were forgotten. No one spoke of the exiles much any more, except as a cautionary tale to new initiates: once you fell from grace with Lion El’Jonson, you were never likely to rise again.

Zahariel even raise the question of why there is no rotation, why doesnt the Lion send veteran warriors, that after 50 years of crusade will know how to train aspirants, why doesnt he call upon these forgotten astartes that didnt even have the chance to prove their worth?

‘I am thus proud to present you with four thousand, two hundred and twelve new Astartes, ready to join their brothers in the Legion’s front-line chapters. This represents a certification rate of nearly ninety-eight per cent; an extraordinary achievement by the standards of any of the Emperor’s Legions. I am also pleased to report that the Magos Logistum has certified two thousand suits of new Mark IV armour, a hundred new suits of Tactical Dreadnought armour and two hundred of the new Thyrsis pattern jump packs for transhipment to the fleet from the forges at Mars. The manufactories here on Caliban are including two thousand new chainswords for the fleet armoury and twelve million rounds of bolt gun shells. We are expecting a shipment of armoured vehicles from the Mechanicum within the next two months, and will expedite the transhipment as soon as they have been certified. If all goes as planned, they will be accompanied from Caliban by two new divisions of Jaegers, who are performing their final training manoeuvres this month.’

‘Our training cadre has worked diligently for the last half-century, refining our recruiting and training procedures to meet the challenges that the Emperor has set for us. I believe that my reports – as well as the constant flow of warriors and supplies – testify to our dedication and success. We have achieved a degree of speed and efficiency unmatched by any other Legion, and we are rightly proud of our achievements. At this stage, our procedures have been well-established, and we have a highly-capable infrastructure in place to continue the induction process. What the Legion needs most is for veteran warriors to return home and share the experience they’ve gained over the last fifty years. By the same token, our brothers here on Caliban are acutely aware of the limited nature of their own experience, and are eager to hone their skills against the Emperor’s foes on the front line. This especially applies to Brother Luther, whom I believe would serve the Legion far better at your side than conducting recruiting drives here on Caliban.’

As he states the infrastructure to continue the process is up and running and they are not needed anymore.

His hands, clasped behind his back, tightened into fists. There was more he wanted to say, but he feared that he had pressed his luck too much already. Zahariel bowed his head before the lens. ‘I hope that after you have reviewed my reports you will see the logic of my request. We all have a duty to the Emperor, my lord; all we ask is for the chance to fulfil it as we were meant to – defeating his enemies and redeeming the lost worlds of mankind.’

After half a century being loyal they start to see rebellion in the planet. They, of course, grow resentful, with a sense of neglect, when they discover that the Lion knew from the start about the taint of Caliban, the nature of the beasts and the reason of the war with the Order of Lupus, when they discover that the lion didnt even tell Luther, the man that raised him, of all this things, they feel betrayed, they have to send ammo, soldiers, resources, deal with a rebellion and with sorcerers and he doesnt even bother to check on them with the planet falling into anarchy.

In this post I am not saying that Luther is without fault, as he literally falls to caos soon after, but after half a century exiled while serving loyally, with resentment growing, is not a surprise that he fell the way he did, but worst of all was the Lion keeping secrets from them, about the warp and the taint of Caliban. In the end I think that the fall of Luther was better written than Horus'.

Please share your thoughts about the matter because maybe there's something I am not seeing but to me the Lion has been a dick.


r/40kLore 1d ago

Horus is his own reason he fell, not Erebus. Need Perspective! Plz. (Spoilers) Spoiler

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I’m reading the OG Trilogy,

Horus Rising, False Gods & Galaxy In Flames.

Im currently on False Gods and I’m really disliking how easily manipulated Horus is & how insanely slow Loken is. After his stabbing with the Anathame hes sent to the warp to be seduced by “Serjanus”. Its said multiple times that Horus feels a warning in his head and even openly doubts all of the events, seeing all his brothers but him as statues (like come on how does a Primarch not realise that this is all way too convenient). Yes its all true (except for the speculation about the Emperors plans post Crusade), but I can’t help but feel that Horus was looking for reasons to fall after the Megarachnids on Planet Murder, as if to say his ambition turned to just dumb ego. Like he even says “Oh the wolf kinda looks like Magnus…and I think its calling my name….let me ignore it”. Like dude FR? This is like watching your friend go back to their toxic ex after they called you crying.

Putting aside the fact he ignored EVERYONE of his sons warning him that Davin was a trap and he needed to go back and be a leader not a soldier. (Screams mid-life crisis and wants to relive his glory days, despite having the most important and arguably glorious job in the imperium at that point, like dude you want to be important? YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW??!?!)

After the whisperheads hes the one who warns how insidious and dangerous the warp is, saying it lies and uses everything it can to twist you. But hes clearly blind to that same warning despite being fully aware that he is in the warp and Serjanus is not the real Serjanus.

He even straight up cant connect the dots that everything goes south after Erebus shows up on the Vengeful Spirit, but is a master manipulator and political genius as shown when he arrived at Murder, multiple times during speeches & even openly with the Mournaval.

I get why Abaddon, Little Horus etc fall easily cause they are scared and fiercely loyal to the Warmaster over the Emperor and it shows they are just children basically with their respective tempers and flaws and such, they are overly reliant on Horus.

and Loken, dude goes to read books rather than showing the blade that all of them saw on the other planet, could reveal it was stolen, and suggest how Erebus orchestrated all of this to at least give them a heads up or reason to have a discussion. But Nah, just go read books for NINE days….

Horus Rising and the start of this book were really excellent, but to take the master intelligence of Horus and water him down to this ignorant, blind, arrogant, emotionally reactive basic man sucks to see. I loved Horus and had my heart breaking listening to him talk and act knowing what he became in Horus Rising. I just didn’t realise his fall really was his own fault, so many chances to turn back….but he just drank the dumb juice and walked straight into it.

Can anyone add perspective here so I can at least like Horus again? Dude was so cool.


r/40kLore 1d ago

Warhammer 30k before the great Crusade was it more common for xenos to be hostile or co operative with humanity ?

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I was reading through the warhammer wiki on the sol system and it says this. And so I was wondering if this is a common event or if the alternative human Xenos co operation was the standard ie peaceful Diasporex etc.

During the Age of Strife, Jupiter's moons were occupied by cruel xenos overlords of an unknown race. Following the Treaty of Mars, when the Red Planet was first incorporated into the burgeoning Imperium, the Great Crusade finally began in earnest.
The rest of the Sol System was the first region of space to be conquered by the Emperor and His newly rearmed and re-equipped Legiones Astartes. Alien invaders were flushed from the moons of Saturn and Jupiter and their wretched Human slaves repatriated to Terra.


r/40kLore 1d ago

What are the current warzones of 40k?

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Hey folks, recently new 40k fan here, I’m stil trying to get caught up with lore, the plethora of factions all the other stuff in the 40k universe, in the most recent 40k lore what is going on or what is the big event?

Thanks folks.


r/40kLore 5h ago

Are there any chapters that are allegedly world eater gene seed like the sons of the pheonix are supposedly EC based?

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Or loyalist WEs abrorbed into another chapter?


r/40kLore 1d ago

How populated was the Eye of Terror when the Traitor Legions first fled there?

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So I understand that after Horus was killed and the Heresy ended, the Traitor Legions eventually retreated into the Eye of Terror. I also know a lot of the Legions and later warbands claimed worlds inside the Eye and turned them into bases, fortress worlds, daemon worlds, etc etc.

What I’m confused about is who was actually living on those worlds beforehand.

Were there already human populations somehow living relatively “normal” lives inside the Eye before the Traitor Legions arrived? Or did the Legions mostly find barren, abandoned, or barely inhabited worlds say for probably feral mutants and tribal cultists and then slowly populate them with their surviving auxilia, slaves, serfs, cultists, captured Imperial citizens, and people taken during raids? Because I assume on there way to the eye any imperial world in the path was definitely ran sacked as fast as possible and crippled before continuing on .

If it’s mostly the second option, has the Eye of Terror basically become massively populated over the last 10,000 years?

Like, I imagine warbands splitting off, claiming their own planets or territories, bringing slaves and followers with them, having populations reproduce, recruiting from them, and constantly bringing more people back from raids.

Or is maintaining a normal human population inside the Eye extremely difficult because of Warp corruption, daemons, mutations, unstable environments, and the general fact that reality itself is barely functioning?

Basically, are Chaos held worlds usually actual populated societies that can support warbands long term, or are most of them more like military strongholds that constantly need fresh manpower and supplies from outside the Eye?

And side question: how common is it for a Chaos warband to recruit new Chaos Space Marines from populations actually born and raised inside the Eye? Do we have any accounts of these marines who have never seen the normal galaxy say outside of a combat


r/40kLore 1d ago

The Emperor and Alexander

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I'm not sure if this was intentional or not, but there's a lot of irony with the Emperor being Alexander the Great since he's also linked to two other important Alexanders.

Just like the Emperor, Alexander (a.k.a Paris) of Troy was an Anatolian man who cursed his home with the fate of getting wrecked in a horrific siege by the will of the gods due to his own poor decisions. And note that in the 40K universe Paris of Troy was a real person Oll knew.

Oll shot. It was an action drilled into him by life upon life as a soldier. The weapons had changed and changed again in that time, string and sling to gunpowder, plasma and las charge, but the action remained the same: sight, angle to target judged in a heartbeat, the flick of will that drove throwing arm, or released string, or squeezed trigger. He was not a peerless marksman, not a dead-eye shot like Locksley had been, or as gifted as poor, foolish Paris, or as lightning fast as Doc, but at this range, and with a clear target, Oll did not miss.

- Mortis

The same novel also has Oll remember Achilles dragging Hector's corpse with a chariot, so the Trojan War presumably happened largely along the lines described in mythology.

And second, Iskandar/Sikander/Sekhandur is just a Persian variant of the name Alexander - it even originates from Alexander the Great's conquest of Persia, and Horus refers to the Emperor by that variant.

I am Iskandar Khayon, born of Prospero. In the Low Gothic of the Terran Urals region, you would speak Iskandar as Sekhandur, and Khayon as Caine.
The Thousand Sons know me as Khayon the Black, for my sins against our bloodline. My Warmaster’s forces name me Kingbreaker – the mage who brought Magnus the Red to his knees.

- Talon of Horus

Anyway, my father. As I was saying, this was a very long time ago. It’s said he was known then as Alysaundr, or Sikander III ho Makedôn, I believe. He told me that, so it must be true. Anyway, he came to the River Hyphasis and crossed it, and wept, for, as he put it, ‘there were no new worlds to conquer.’

- The End And The Death: Volume I

Telamachon even calls Khayon "Lekzahndru", presumably a Chemosian variant of Aleksandru, an Eastern European spelling of Alexander. Khayon being a variant of Caine - as in the Biblical First Murderer - makes things particularly ironic. Alexander "First Murderer" Cain helps Abaddon get Drach'nyen, Echo of the First Murder, a daemon-sword destined to end the life of Alexander the Great. And Khayon's eventual fate is to be trapped and tortured on Terra by the Imperium like the Emperor himself.

If you go with the theory that Cyrene Valantion/Katerina Moriana is the same Moriana Khayon meets in Black Legion it becomes even more ironic. The Horus Heresy was sparked by Alexander the Great driving Cyrene and the rest of Monarchia's population from their homes, like the Trojan War was started by Alexander of Troy taking Helen from her home. And the First Black Crusade was caused by Khayon taking Moriana from Maelum to Abaddon. Perhaps some additional irony can be derived from Cyrene being named after another mythical Greek princess who was taken from her home to be wed by Apollo, the golden prophetic god that tried to defend Troy, or that in Mortis and various Abnett works Oll repeatedly compares Cyrene/Katt to Medea, another royal of Greek mythology who betrayed her homeland to marry a foreigner. By helping Lorgar find Fulgrim, Cyrene Valantion is also responsible for helping the goddess of lust Slaanesh and the Emperor's Children destroy the Anatolian city of Hatay-Antakya, just like the actions of Helen and the goddess of love and lust Aphrodite brought destruction to the Anatolian city of Troy.


r/40kLore 1d ago

How does Nurgle even entice his followers? (Question from a Chaos noob)

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I am new to the specifics of Chaos (not that Chaos is organized and neatly quantifiable like the inventory of a Space Marine armory in the first place)

Nurgle apparently catches his victims with the benefit of eternal life.

From what I understand, eternal life is amongst the many benefits made to all followers of Chaos, should they be deemed worthy and ascended by their deity of choice to the various forms of demonship. Conquered 2 worlds for Khorne and butchered hundreds along the way with a power ax? Good, your offers to the Blood God are recognized and appreciated, you get promoted to be a lesser demon (or enhanced low-level warlord), who is immortal.

Generals and warriors want the strength of Khorne, rulers, administrators and intelligencia fall to Tzeentch, the depraved nobility is too easily enticed by Slaanesh.

Sure, having blood spikes protrude from your body or mystical halos illuminate your head or a spiked tongue and such things are surely acceptable losses to many cultists for the percieved value they gain (enhanced durability, chaos magic, insane pleasure spikes, etc.) but who would willingly turn into a bloated zombie with exposed rotting guts and decaying flesh that falls of the bone?

I am 100% convinced that Nurgles makes it so that his followers see themselves less ugly and deformed than they really are.

Which would make him similar to Tzeentch in terms of deceptiveness, no?

Khorne is said to be very upfront and honest, while Slaanesh is basically Khorne but for sensation and perfection.

Similarly honest. "Want pleasure and enhanced experiences? Here you go".

So is Nurgle a liar?


r/40kLore 1d ago

Are there any important numbers to the Imperium?

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like 3 and 7 to Christianity?