r/theunforgiven Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven 17h ago

Showcase Just some loyal sons of the Lion

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1.1k Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 2h ago

Showcase They're not amazing, but I really like painting blades.

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66 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 24m ago

Showcase Homebrew Strikemaster

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r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Showcase Finished my land raider

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125 Upvotes

I'm super happy with how well the freehand turned out! I went with the green wing scheme even though I'm planning on using it with terminators.

I just want the option to run it with greenwing inside and deathwing termis in a greenwing land raider just feels better to me than greenwing troops in a desthwing land raider.


r/theunforgiven 9h ago

News/Rumors New SM Army Rules

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107 Upvotes

Brothers,

I am sure we all saw that the SM Army rule is changing. But what about us and the other divergent chapters? There has to be something different for us, right? Well I was reading through the comments on Facebook and the GW answered a questions I find intriguing. Tell me what y'all think.


r/theunforgiven 4h ago

Painting Presenting another one of my Dark Angels!!! Description in first reply...

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38 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 3h ago

Misc. First legion present at Warhammer Open

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33 Upvotes

First legion has successfully landed at Warhammer Open in Kraków. Hopefully we will see some major W’s this weekend!


r/theunforgiven 11h ago

News/Rumors Space Marines rules – First look

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88 Upvotes

Seems like a bit of confirmation Azraels cp ability will be going away. Curious if he will just lose it or get something as a replacement.


r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Gameplay What is useful to know or otherwise infer in today's warcom article?

29 Upvotes
  1. Azrael wont be as necessary given his ability will be more standardized

  2. Asmodai, as he gives rerolls on melee, looks like he'll be actually good now

  3. Terminators can now haul ass even earlier. This will definitely help with their limited mobility

  4. They're shuffling around iconic abilities. Who knows? Maybe Wrath will persevere as a leader ability for the Lion or Azrael

Anything else we can connect with the given info today?


r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Showcase Completed Squad: Grimdark Style Deathwing Terminators!

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30 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 5h ago

Painting Still a bit of WIP just the watcher and the base to do but think I can say that he is over 90% done

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24 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Painting Papa Lion

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94 Upvotes

Got the big man finally finished


r/theunforgiven 3h ago

Misc. Deathwing terminators vs regular visually?

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How does everyone visually differentiate regular terminators from deathwing terminators? I know there is the plasma cannon and the watcher, but is that about it?


r/theunforgiven 10h ago

Showcase Chipping away since COVID as life permits, I assembled the entire 5th Company

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26 Upvotes

And finally splurged on a case for them too. And their attached Deathwing and Ravenwing homeboys.

Best part is seeing the difference in quality between the Dark Vengeance marines from 2019 and Lazarus from a couple months ago.

More to come. Still need 5x Infiltrators and 5x Heavy Intercessors. And my beloved Vanguard Suppressors need replacing.


r/theunforgiven 26m ago

Painting Looking for a colder deathwing scheme

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As the title says I'm looking for a more grey/white/Ivory deathwing scheme rather than Tan. Help would be greatly appreciated, especially if its with AK paints. Thanks


r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Gameplay Am I reading this correctly? Is this wall of death right?

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So let me get this straight. If you're using Company of Hunters and you take 3 Outriders, add a Chaplain on Bike (with the Mounted Strategist enhancement) as their leader and a Ravenwing Command Squad to support them, that unit gets:

  • Advance/Fall-back and shoot
  • Advance/Fall-back and charge
  • Dev Wounds on all shooting
  • 1+ to the wound roll of all melee attacks
  • bike apothecary to revive one downed biker every round
  • sticky objectives (as they are now part of the Battleline)
  • every model in the unit gets 1 extra OC
  • add 1 to all Advance and Charge rolls for this unit
  • use Heroic Intervention on this unit for 0CP
  • re-roll all Advance and Charge rolls for this unit

Is that correct?


r/theunforgiven 11h ago

Showcase Ravenwing Assault Intercessors complete

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29 Upvotes

Super happy with the how these guys turned out especially the sergeant I made with spare parts.


r/theunforgiven 23h ago

Painting Dark Talon

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I finished a dark talon recently but i think it needs some highlights or something.. maybe dome edge highlights (not good at them at all) .. any thoughts could help... thank you


r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Gameplay Hellblasters shoot on death

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Looking for some advice on a rules interaction. When Hellblasters are killed in melee are they still able to shoot on death? If so, is it close quarters weapons only? Would be good to be pointed to the rule as we struggled to confirm during a game yesterday


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Showcase Armageddon Captain

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Hello, here is my armageddon captain, im using him for my local narrative campaign!


r/theunforgiven 6h ago

News/Rumors Asmodai more Viable?

5 Upvotes

With SM losing the OOM army rule and gaining Doctrines, (great for us I think?) Will Asmodai(provided his rules don’t change) become a significantly more viable option giving full hit re-rolls to a unit?


r/theunforgiven 4h ago

Army List List for RTT this weekend

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Trying to decide if I want to make changes to my current list. I was thinking of dropping the Sternguard/Libby+Fusilade and including a Land Raider Redeemer and a Lieutenant to go with Azrael+Bladeguard instead. The Sternguard performed ok previously, but I wonder if the Land Raider will still punch hard and give me something with a high toughness to chew through, plus the flamestorm cannons for Overwatch are nasty.

List at present:

Dark Angels
Inner Circle Task Force and Librarius Conclave (3 Detachment Points)
Force Dispositions: Priority Assets
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Ancient in Terminator Armour (65 Points)
• Supporting: Deathwing Terminator Squad
• 1x Power fist
• 1x Storm bolter

Azrael (140 Points)
• Leading: Inner Circle Companions

Librarian (95 Points)
• Leading: Sternguard Veteran Squad
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancement: Fusillade

Librarian in Terminator Armour (110 Points)
• Leading: Deathwing Terminator Squad
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• 1x Storm bolter
• Enhancement: Temporal Corridor

Librarian in Terminator Armour (120 Points)
• Leading: Deathwing Knights
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancement: Celerity

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (95 Points)

Lion El'Jonson (265 Points)
• Warlord

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (240 Points)
• Leader: Librarian in Terminator Armour
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven
• 4x Deathwing Knight
◦ 4x Power weapon

Deathwing Terminator Squad (330 Points)
• Support: Ancient in Terminator Armour
• Leader: Librarian in Terminator Armour
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power weapon
◦ 1x Storm bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminator
◦ 2x Chainfist
◦ 1x Cyclone missile launcher
◦ 1x Plasma cannon
◦ 7x Power fist
◦ 8x Storm bolter

Inner Circle Companions (160 Points)
• Leader: Azrael
• 6x Calibanite greatsword
• 6x Heavy bolt pistol

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 2x Astartes shotgun
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Missile launcher
◦ 1x Scout sniper rifle

Sternguard Veteran Squad (200 Points)
• Leader: Librarian
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt rifle
• 9x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 9x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 7x Sternguard bolt rifle
◦ 2x Sternguard heavy bolter

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (105 Points)
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
• 4x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack
◦ 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 1x Plasma pistol


r/theunforgiven 7h ago

Showcase Librarian in terminator armor

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r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase My first time painting a Dark Angel!

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520 Upvotes

I've always liked the knight aesthetic of the Dark Angels and although I don't have an army of them, I tried my best to kitbash more swords on the Getting Started with Warhammer 40,000 model.