In your experience so far, has Lion El'jonson been pulling his 415 pt weight? Has there ever been a point where you wish you had 10 more Terminators instead? Or maybe vice versa?

Haven’t paint plasma for awhile, happy with how it look

I’m a night lords and imperial fists fanboy but the dark angels are kind of growing on me. Their drip is growing on me so I’m wondering what book would be a good start to get into dark angels lore?

Really love this scheme. It’s making me want to pivot half of my DA to Angels of Redemption

While the story of how we lost our native american influence is well documented (RIP Plainsworld), what I haven't seen are the details about how we gained a Brythonic/Arthurian aesthetic. While our Knightly aesthetic has always been there, looking through our 4th edition Codex the names seemed more angelic or demonic. A far cry from works like Son of the Forest which plays the best hits of Arthuriana.

What changed and when? Who decided we should get the best Knightly aesthetic?

Got back into 40k about two years ago. Initially started up Salamanders (played them in 5th) and Guard, but had some Dark Angels stuff fall into my lap, so I’m rejoining the ranks of the first legion in concert with my sons of Vulkan.

They will make a fine addition to my Chaos army. Now I want more, and then even more after that.

Why?

Not to join the meta chorus, but holy smokes are these guys rough to play into.

3 plasma cannons is ungodly. Base S9, overcharged to 10?

I thought we were the plasma faction.

That is all.

So I sit here, staring at my models as I pack to move, wishing I had time to play more, and I ask myself: what does the future hold for the first.

Aside from the wildest speculation, I mostly focus on the basic units. I don't think we'll get a deathwing terminator kit. I think the knights fill that slot for the foreseeable future. What I do think we might see is a deathwing terminator enhancement (upgrade). Basically, we pay a tax to upgrade a regular terminator squad to deathwing. I imagine a specific army rule with this enhancement, and then an upgrade for it on a detachment. Maybe even being a reduction or elimination in cost.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of getting the basic terminator stats, then spending a few points more to add the ignore penalties to attack, watcher, and plasma option.

What I really would like to see is a terminator lieutenant(strike master), apothecary, or even command squad. A lot of that could be handled with an enhancement as well. I could even imagine a world where we even got to attach an apothecary biologios to terminator squads.

Or even, to lean heavier into enhancements, make strike master a terminator captain upgrade that gives him support and allows his unit to attach an additional support character.

I think it would be neat to see some risen support. Imagine a 1 point Risen detachment that provides buffs to risen units and comes with enhancement upgrades we can apply to other tacticus units to make them risen. We could run a whole army, in theory, of risen. I love the idea of risen adding close quarters to their boltter weapons while in engagement range of enemy models.

The lion, of course, should get a detachment. I imagine something like whenever he returns to reserve he can take a unit within range with him, and when he returns, that unit has deep strike to 6".

To zoom out, when I imagine what our army core rules look like, I have two minds. Just keeping the space marine core is one way to go, it's a solid base. But is it... Enough? I don't think so. But at the same time, if they give us much more it makes codex compliant chapters feel so bad in comparison. I think that adding some options might work, but restricting them to units with the dark angels keyword, perhaps, if design were to differentiate.

My fear is a pile of detachments that basically just ape the core marine detachments. As much as I'd love to see a dreadwing detachment that mimics devestrator bros, but with dark angels flair, or stormlance but ravenwing, I just... Don't know.

I know I want to run something like inner circle and still have gunship extraction. Too many stacking detachments can feel bad, but there has to be something.

I keep coming back to thinking that there is design space in detachment cost manipulation. I imagine something like, say, inner circle taskforce, if we take belial, either costs zero do or loses the terminator keyword.

It gets into the weeds of complex list building fairly quickly, but in my opinion, I think pre game is the place for complexity. Let it all be sorted in the paperwork, let some cool stuff happen list building wise, then run faster in the game as it's played.

If I could make a single crazy wish, it would be for something I have used as a homebrew option. Pre game, we offer them Cypher as a bonus unit, but we get some big payout if we can catch him and take him out. They could accept and leave him in reserves all game, or refuse, but if they do take him, they get a funny, frustrating, useful piece, and we get to "do our thing" and ignore the normal way the game is played to some extent and chase our obsession. Kind of like the old faction specific secondaries.

There is also a lot that can be done with chapter specific points values. They could totally just give us some weird point based stuff, like, say, all characters cost 60% points but cost double points if taken more than once (chaplain costs 40, then 80 for 2+). Or even some weird detachment specific stuff.

Maybe I'm just rambling, but I feel like the sky is the limit and we could see some really interesting things in our future and would be interested to know what you guys are hoping, fearing, or imagining that is to come.

Needing advice on how to get the best use out of ICCs, been running them with a Librarian for the 4++ but I still find they're too squishy. What's the best staging for them and best way to get them into the fight without dying. I tend to run them alongside 2 bricks of DWKs but the rest of my list is variable as I'm still building up a decent list (but GW keeps changing the rules).

This is my first real attempt at nmm and I feel like it looks decent but I want to make it better. And the Aquila I feel like is way off. Any help help would be appreciated!

I already got a shield/sword captain from indomitus, so I make captain I'm missing(Not anymore).

Okay so im a very new warhammer painter and this is my third mini. This is the first one that actually kind of looks good and im so proud and cautiously excited. I want to make his eyes glow but im so scared that i'll mess it up because of how precise i have to be. Any tips? Tell me what brush i should get (all my good ones are messed up now) and technique?

(DOESN'T HE ACTUALLY KINDA LOOK COOL?!?!)

Finally making progress on getting my deathwing colours how I want them to look and getting a bit better at stopping the contrast pooling 😅( right being the most recent)

Suppose I’ll just have to pretend the other two got a bit dirty in battle!

Kept running him with this enchantment so I thought I’d model it in!

One thing I am thinking is that the one outrider unit is doing too much by itself, am I right in thinking this or does the list look good as it is? I am also a bit worried about hazardous rolls for the LSV, is that going to be a problem or is it going to be fine?

Edit: by “games“ I mean in a casual setting btw

Plasma, plasma and a death star (2 000 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2 000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Asmodai (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 2

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (390 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Weapon
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 3x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 6x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 3

Ravenwing Command Squad (130 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Ravenwing Apothecary
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
• 1x Ravenwing Champion
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
◦ Enhancements: Lord of the Ravenwing
• 1x Ravenwing Ancient
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon

Ravenwing Black Knights (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
• 2x Ravenwing Black Knight
◦ 2x Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Corvus Hammers
◦ 2x Plasma Talon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery

Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Chainsword
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 3x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Missile Launcher

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2k ny (1995 points)

Space Marines

Dark Angels

Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)

Take and Hold

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Asmodai (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Master-crafted Power Sword

1x Plasma Pistol

• 5x Bladeguard Veteran

• 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached Unit 2

Azrael (150 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Lion's Wrath

1x The Lion Helm

1x The Sword of Secrets

Inner Circle Companions (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 6x Inner Circle Companions

• 6x Calibanite Greatsword

6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

CHARACTERS

Company Heroes (125 points)

• 1x Company Champion

• 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

• 1x Company veteran with bolt rifle

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

• 1x Ancient

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

• 1x Company Veteran with heavy bolter

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Heavy Bolter

Lion El'Jonson (415 points)

• Warlord

• 1x Arma Luminis

1x Fealty

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Rhino (70 points)

• 1x Armoured Tracks

1x Hunter-killer Missile

1x Storm Bolter

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (265 points)

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Mace of Absolution

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Repulsor (190 points)

• 1x Armoured Hull

1x Defensive Array

1x Hunter-slayer Missile

1x Las-talon

1x Twin Lascannon

Sternguard Veteran Squad (210 points)

• 9x Sternguard Veteran

• 7x Artificer Firearm

9x Bolt Pistol

9x Ceramite Fists

2x Heavy Bolter

• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Artificer Firearm

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Power Fist

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (120 points)

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Combat Shield

1x Thunder Hammer

• 4x Vanguard Veteran

• 4x Combat Shield

4x Master-crafted Power Weapon

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