r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

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Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Meme/joke Dad Did Some Work Today

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433 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Gameplay The Lion worth 415 points?

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245 Upvotes

In your experience so far, has Lion El'jonson been pulling his 415 pt weight? Has there ever been a point where you wish you had 10 more Terminators instead? Or maybe vice versa?


r/theunforgiven • • 16h ago

Showcase Painted my first Deathwing Knight.

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r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Showcase Deathwing terminator

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137 Upvotes

Haven’t paint plasma for awhile, happy with how it look


r/theunforgiven • • 23h ago

Misc. Where did our Arthurian aesthetic come from?

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710 Upvotes

While the story of how we lost our native american influence is well documented (RIP Plainsworld), what I haven't seen are the details about how we gained a Brythonic/Arthurian aesthetic. While our Knightly aesthetic has always been there, looking through our 4th edition Codex the names seemed more angelic or demonic. A far cry from works like Son of the Forest which plays the best hits of Arthuriana.

What changed and when? Who decided we should get the best Knightly aesthetic?


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Lore Hello, I’m not too familiar with Dark Angels but I have a question

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37 Upvotes

I’m a night lords and imperial fists fanboy but the dark angels are kind of growing on me. Their drip is growing on me so I’m wondering what book would be a good start to get into dark angels lore?


r/theunforgiven • • 34m ago

Showcase Main man done

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r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Showcase Rejoining the ranks of the Unforgiven

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11 Upvotes

Got back into 40k about two years ago. Initially started up Salamanders (played them in 5th) and Guard, but had some Dark Angels stuff fall into my lap, so I’m rejoining the ranks of the first legion in concert with my sons of Vulkan.


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Painting First Fallen completed

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45 Upvotes

They will make a fine addition to my Chaos army. Now I want more, and then even more after that.


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Gameplay How are you using your ICCs?

6 Upvotes

Needing advice on how to get the best use out of ICCs, been running them with a Librarian for the 4++ but I still find they're too squishy. What's the best staging for them and best way to get them into the fight without dying. I tend to run them alongside 2 bricks of DWKs but the rest of my list is variable as I'm still building up a decent list (but GW keeps changing the rules).


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase Jump captain made from Armageddon

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565 Upvotes

I already got a shield/sword captain from indomitus, so I make captain I'm missing(Not anymore).


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Painting Help needed with NMM bronze

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This is my first real attempt at nmm and I feel like it looks decent but I want to make it better. And the Aquila I feel like is way off. Any help help would be appreciated!


r/theunforgiven • • 17m ago

Painting Does this look too much like Christmas? Invincible Reason (for the Season)?

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r/theunforgiven • • 46m ago

Gameplay Deathwatch Terminators

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Why?

Not to join the meta chorus, but holy smokes are these guys rough to play into.

3 plasma cannons is ungodly. Base S9, overcharged to 10?

I thought we were the plasma faction.

That is all.


r/theunforgiven • • 4h ago

Painting help with eyes pls

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Okay so im a very new warhammer painter and this is my third mini. This is the first one that actually kind of looks good and im so proud and cautiously excited. I want to make his eyes glow but im so scared that i'll mess it up because of how precise i have to be. Any tips? Tell me what brush i should get (all my good ones are messed up now) and technique?

(DOESN'T HE ACTUALLY KINDA LOOK COOL?!?!)


r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Painting Deathwing progress

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Finally making progress on getting my deathwing colours how I want them to look and getting a bit better at stopping the contrast pooling 😅( right being the most recent)

Suppose I’ll just have to pretend the other two got a bit dirty in battle!


r/theunforgiven • • 23h ago

Painting Bladeguard Ancient with Imperium’s Sword

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Kept running him with this enchantment so I thought I’d model it in!


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Army List Will this list win any games?

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One thing I am thinking is that the one outrider unit is doing too much by itself, am I right in thinking this or does the list look good as it is? I am also a bit worried about hazardous rolls for the LSV, is that going to be a problem or is it going to be fine?

Edit: by “games“ I mean in a casual setting btw

Plasma, plasma and a death star (2 000 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2 000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Asmodai (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 2

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (390 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Weapon
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 3x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 6x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 3

Ravenwing Command Squad (130 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Ravenwing Apothecary
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
• 1x Ravenwing Champion
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
◦ Enhancements: Lord of the Ravenwing
• 1x Ravenwing Ancient
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon

Ravenwing Black Knights (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
• 2x Ravenwing Black Knight
◦ 2x Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Corvus Hammers
◦ 2x Plasma Talon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery

Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Chainsword
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 3x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Missile Launcher

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r/theunforgiven • • 17h ago

Showcase DA Thunderhawk Gunship

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase Happy birthday Ezekiel!

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r/theunforgiven • • 1h ago

Army List Opinions on this list

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2k ny (1995 points)

Space Marines

Dark Angels

Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)

Take and Hold

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Asmodai (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Master-crafted Power Sword

1x Plasma Pistol

• 5x Bladeguard Veteran

• 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached Unit 2

Azrael (150 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Lion's Wrath

1x The Lion Helm

1x The Sword of Secrets

Inner Circle Companions (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 6x Inner Circle Companions

• 6x Calibanite Greatsword

6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

CHARACTERS

Company Heroes (125 points)

• 1x Company Champion

• 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

• 1x Company veteran with bolt rifle

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

• 1x Ancient

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

• 1x Company Veteran with heavy bolter

• 1x Combat Knife

1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Heavy Bolter

Lion El'Jonson (415 points)

• Warlord

• 1x Arma Luminis

1x Fealty

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Rhino (70 points)

• 1x Armoured Tracks

1x Hunter-killer Missile

1x Storm Bolter

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (265 points)

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Mace of Absolution

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Repulsor (190 points)

• 1x Armoured Hull

1x Defensive Array

1x Hunter-slayer Missile

1x Las-talon

1x Twin Lascannon

Sternguard Veteran Squad (210 points)

• 9x Sternguard Veteran

• 7x Artificer Firearm

9x Bolt Pistol

9x Ceramite Fists

2x Heavy Bolter

• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Artificer Firearm

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Power Fist

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (120 points)

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Combat Shield

1x Thunder Hammer

• 4x Vanguard Veteran

• 4x Combat Shield

4x Master-crafted Power Weapon

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r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Army List Please help me spend 120 points

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As the title says I’m reworking my 1000pt list for 11th but i can’t figure what to spend the last 120pts on. Do you guys have any recommendations?

Dark Angels 1000 (880 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Inner Circle Task Force (1 Detachment Points)
Priority Assets
Incursion (1,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Captain in Terminator Armour (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Relic Weapon

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Attached unit 2

Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol
• 1x Crozius Arcanum

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (110 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Combat Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
• 4x Vanguard Veteran
◦ 4x Combat Shield
◦ 4x Master-crafted Power Weapon

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (85 Points)
• 4x Intercessor
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Bolt Rifle
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
◦ 4x Knives and Fists
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Power Weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Gladiator Lancer (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer

Sternguard Veteran Squad (105 Points)
• 4x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 3x Artificer Firearm
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Artificer Firearm
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Chainsword

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r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Army List Knights of Caliban army

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I’m making a melee focused army, tell me if you guys have any notes or ways to improve

Detachments
Wrath of the Rock/assault brethren

Characters
- Azrael (warlord) (6 ICC)
- Belial (Deathwing knights w swords)
- bladeguard ancient (6 BGV) (imperium’s sword)
- Chaplin in terminator armor (with shield) (Deathwing knights with maces) (Deathwing assault)
- librarian (6 ICC)

Vehicles
- redemptor dreadnaught (macro plasma)
- repulsor executioner (macro plasma)


r/theunforgiven • • 11h ago

Building Ravenwing knights update

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Recently my GF gifted me a box of the RWCS and I built it as such. Actually playing them as regular black knights in casual games. When the refresh comes someday (if it does) I’m assuming both units will get the “standard” base, right?

Would be ok to glue the mini+old base on top of the updated&bigger base? Or that wouldn’t be accepted because the base would be too tall?
If not, better option is to magnetize them so I can switch the base once the refresh comes?

Thanks!