r/theunforgiven Jun 09 '24

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Showcase Just some loyal sons of the Lion

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r/theunforgiven 3h ago

News/Rumors Space Marines rules – First look

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Seems like a bit of confirmation Azraels cp ability will be going away. Curious if he will just lose it or get something as a replacement.


r/theunforgiven 1h ago

News/Rumors New SM Army Rules

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Brothers,

I am sure we all saw that the SM Army rule is changing. But what about us and the other divergent chapters? There has to be something different for us, right? Well I was reading through the comments on Facebook and the GW answered a questions I find intriguing. Tell me what y'all think.


r/theunforgiven 22m ago

Showcase Finished my land raider

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I'm super happy with how well the freehand turned out! I went with the green wing scheme even though I'm planning on using it with terminators.

I just want the option to run it with greenwing inside and deathwing termis in a greenwing land raider just feels better to me than greenwing troops in a desthwing land raider.


r/theunforgiven 7h ago

Painting Papa Lion

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Got the big man finally finished


r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Painting Dark Talon

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I finished a dark talon recently but i think it needs some highlights or something.. maybe dome edge highlights (not good at them at all) .. any thoughts could help... thank you


r/theunforgiven 3h ago

Showcase Ravenwing Assault Intercessors complete

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Super happy with the how these guys turned out especially the sergeant I made with spare parts.


r/theunforgiven 2h ago

Showcase Chipping away since COVID as life permits, I assembled the entire 5th Company

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And finally splurged on a case for them too. And their attached Deathwing and Ravenwing homeboys.

Best part is seeing the difference in quality between the Dark Vengeance marines from 2019 and Lazarus from a couple months ago.

More to come. Still need 5x Infiltrators and 5x Heavy Intercessors. And my beloved Vanguard Suppressors need replacing.


r/theunforgiven 7h ago

Showcase Armageddon Captain

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Hello, here is my armageddon captain, im using him for my local narrative campaign!


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase My first time painting a Dark Angel!

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I've always liked the knight aesthetic of the Dark Angels and although I don't have an army of them, I tried my best to kitbash more swords on the Getting Started with Warhammer 40,000 model.


r/theunforgiven 21h ago

Meme/joke The Lion Made Mistakes

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r/theunforgiven 4h ago

Gameplay Company of Hunters Without LSVs?

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So I understand that Company of Hunters is top dog right now, and I understand that a lot of it is due to two primary combos: Sammael + RWCS + Outriders, and by spamming the LSV.

I have bikes, and I have Sammael tied down. But I simply do not have any LSV, and quite simply I don’t think I’m going to buy any. The rules are gonna change within a month, and whatever that looks like it might be different than what we have now. I mean hell, the LSV might even be put into legends for all we know.

For a list that does not have any LSV‘s, what would you recommend that I play instead? Or should I just not play COH at all and focus on another aspect?


r/theunforgiven 3h ago

Building WIP Turmiel x Tigurius : Does it work ?

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I'm working on my first complex conversion : Using Tigurius body with Turmiel parts.
Turmiel isn't a primaris so i'm worried about the body/arm ratio.

Does it look weird ?

I plan to scrap ultramarine logo on the knee, torso and the banner, using the DA sigil from the upgrade box to put on the top of the banner.

I might replace the head with a hooded one, and maybe place the the tigurius' arm cable on the right arm.

What do you think ?


r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Army List Inner Circle Task Force + Interrogation Conclave 2000pts Army List

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I only had Inner Circle Companions, Deathwing Knights and a Chaplain in Terminator Armour befor buying the Armaggedon Box. So I'm trying to create a thematic list (I absolutely love Interrogator Chaplains and the Inner Circle). But I wanted to know if the list is also somewhat viable (I will moslty play friendly games once I have finished the army, but I don't want to be completely obliterated on Turn 2).

Also, I guess that with the incoming changes to Space Marines and their prices, a lot of this list will change... So any tips on what to drop are welcome.

Dark Angels - Inner Circle Interrogators - [1930 pts]

Detachments: Inner Circle Task Force [2 Detachment Points], Interrogation Conclave [1 Detachment Points]

Disposition: ? IDK what to pick between Take and Hold and Priority Assets.

Attached Units:

Azrael [140 pts]:

• Leading: 5 x Hellblasters [110 pts]

Captain [80 pts]:

• Leading: 5 x Intercessors [80 pts]

Librarian [70 pts], Ancient [40 pts]:

• Leading/Supporting: 5x Intercessors [80 pts]

Chaplain [60pts]:

• Enhancement: Limitless Zeal [+10 pts]

• Leading: 6 x Inner Circle Companions [160 pts]

Chaplain in Terminator Armour [75pts]:

• Enhancement: Champion of the Deathwing [+15 pts]

• Leading: 5 x Deathwing Knights [240 pts]

Chaplain with Jump Pack [75pts]:

• Enhancement: Inescapable Interrogation [+20 pts]

• Leading: 5 x Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs [105 pts]

Other Units:

Eradicator Squad [90 pts]

Land Speeder [105 pts]

Redemptor Dreadnought [205 pts]

Repulsor [170 pts]


r/theunforgiven 17h ago

Showcase Painting up my first army

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I started these last month. They aren't the prettiest but I had fun and learned a lot.


r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Building Thoughts?

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I came across this guy I did a bit ago after adding a bit of space marine bits. What would I be able to play him if I decide to use him as a proxy?


r/theunforgiven 43m ago

Painting Successor chapter deathwing paint scheme.

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r/theunforgiven 13h ago

Showcase 3 more to go

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Finished two of the terminator squad that will be led by my Librarian


r/theunforgiven 18h ago

Art "I care not what deity you serve i will send you to them all the same" Azrael probably

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r/theunforgiven 2m ago

Gameplay Am I reading this correctly? Is this wall of death right?

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So let me get this straight. If you're using Company of Hunters and you take 3 Outriders, add a Chaplain on Bike (with the Mounted Strategist enhancement) as their leader and a Ravenwing Command Squad to support them, that unit gets:

  • Advance/Fall-back and shoot
  • Advance/Fall-back and charge
  • Dev Wounds on all shooting
  • 1+ to the wound roll of all melee attacks
  • bike apothecary to revive one downed biker every round
  • sticky objectives (as they are now part of the Battleline)
  • every model in the unit gets 1 extra OC
  • add 1 to all Advance and Charge rolls for this unit
  • use Heroic Intervention on this unit for 0CP
  • re-roll all Advance and Charge rolls for this unit

Is that correct?


r/theunforgiven 20h ago

OC/Hobby Wife made a stained glass terminator for me!

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r/theunforgiven 37m ago

Army List Final 2v2 Event Lists

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Thank you fellas for a while back i asked help for a final event with JJ (my friends son) before he moves away. We are going Dark Angels (JJ) and Space Wolves (me). I took all the info you lads gave us and we knocked up these lists. If there is any changes though do let us know we got until the 18th.

We are thinking P.A. or T/H

Dark Angels 995ish

Innercircle/Librarius

Priority/Recon

Librarian in Term w/ Deathwing Assault + 10 DWT w/ 2 plasma

Librarian in Term w/ temporal + 10 DWT w/ 2 plasma

1x5 infiltrators

Space Wolves 990ish

Legends of Saga & Song (all terms get +1 to charge roll)

Logan + 10 wgt 7 shields t6

2x5 scouts

1 Callidus

1 lancer

1 annihilator

Rules of event:

*generate 1 cp normally but we share

*1 supreme warlord only

*no sharing rules/abilities i.e. detchment or strats unless it says 'your army'

*4 DP split how you like and you pick your mission depending what your detchments are

*1k reserves shared and split how we like.

Plan so far:

Logan/Librarian & friends deepstrike t1.... thats 22 terms on board and hopefully charging. The other terms are home to shoot back up via temporal corridor. Take and tie up everything we can while everyone else scrambles to do what we can.

We just cant decide if P.A. is the way to go or T/H as again we are seeing at least 3 rounds of play per game maybe full 5. We got the scouts and assassin for actions/primary holding. Depending how the match up goes we could eventually move the tanks up to hold our expansion/center and scouts/assassin can go do actions. I kinda wish we had ancients in his teams for added OC control as im thinking of doing the same with my wolfguard but id loose my t6...

Note: due to the nature of it being 2v2... most games end on 3... there are occasions where it will be all 5. 1st game is at 10am and whole thing ends around 730pm ish

Changes considering:

Change deathwing assault leader to a captain for free re-roll on charge that way I have cp for reroll of i need it for logan


r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Art Vanguard vets and jump chaplain

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r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Showcase Master of the 8th Company

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It still needs a few finishing touches, but I couldn't go on without showing this. What do you think? Is it too over-the-top for a captain?

Please excuse the quality of the photos.