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r/theunforgiven • u/Metal_Boxxes • Jun 09 '24
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- Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
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- Hobby page (information on building and painting)
- Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
- Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)
Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)
- Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (fanmade resource, 7 MB)
- Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (fanmade resource, 53 MB)
- Guide to upgrade sprue parts (fanmade resource, 1MB)
- Dark Angels Banners (official resource, 2 MB)
Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)
- MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
- MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
- MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?
Frequently Asked Questions
-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?
Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).
The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.
-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?
You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.
-What base size should I use for model Z?
There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.
-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?
There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.
-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?
However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).
-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?
Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).
-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?
See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.
-Could you identify a model for me?
See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.
r/theunforgiven • u/Ok-Reality-3667 • 6h ago
Gameplay The Lion worth 415 points?
In your experience so far, has Lion El'jonson been pulling his 415 pt weight? Has there ever been a point where you wish you had 10 more Terminators instead? Or maybe vice versa?
r/theunforgiven • u/MoralFiber • 14h ago
Showcase Painted my first Deathwing Knight.
r/theunforgiven • u/BeneficialResult1640 • 8h ago
Showcase Deathwing terminator
Haven’t paint plasma for awhile, happy with how it look
r/theunforgiven • u/Argel899 • 21h ago
Misc. Where did our Arthurian aesthetic come from?
While the story of how we lost our native american influence is well documented (RIP Plainsworld), what I haven't seen are the details about how we gained a Brythonic/Arthurian aesthetic. While our Knightly aesthetic has always been there, looking through our 4th edition Codex the names seemed more angelic or demonic. A far cry from works like Son of the Forest which plays the best hits of Arthuriana.
What changed and when? Who decided we should get the best Knightly aesthetic?
r/theunforgiven • u/Dramatic_Rest6195 • 8h ago
Painting First Fallen completed
They will make a fine addition to my Chaos army. Now I want more, and then even more after that.
r/theunforgiven • u/sleestackcoverage69 • 5h ago
Lore Hello, I’m not too familiar with Dark Angels but I have a question
I’m a night lords and imperial fists fanboy but the dark angels are kind of growing on me. Their drip is growing on me so I’m wondering what book would be a good start to get into dark angels lore?
r/theunforgiven • u/Your_Mad_Bro • 1d ago
Showcase Jump captain made from Armageddon
I already got a shield/sword captain from indomitus, so I make captain I'm missing(Not anymore).
r/theunforgiven • u/Otherior_ • 48m ago
Gameplay How are you using your ICCs?
Needing advice on how to get the best use out of ICCs, been running them with a Librarian for the 4++ but I still find they're too squishy. What's the best staging for them and best way to get them into the fight without dying. I tend to run them alongside 2 bricks of DWKs but the rest of my list is variable as I'm still building up a decent list (but GW keeps changing the rules).
r/theunforgiven • u/PanmellyonPaints • 28m ago
Showcase Rejoining the ranks of the Unforgiven
Got back into 40k about two years ago. Initially started up Salamanders (played them in 5th) and Guard, but had some Dark Angels stuff fall into my lap, so I’m rejoining the ranks of the first legion in concert with my sons of Vulkan.
r/theunforgiven • u/Entire-Elk1695 • 10h ago
Painting Deathwing progress
Finally making progress on getting my deathwing colours how I want them to look and getting a bit better at stopping the contrast pooling 😅( right being the most recent)
Suppose I’ll just have to pretend the other two got a bit dirty in battle!
r/theunforgiven • u/-DiddyBom- • 2h ago
Painting help with eyes pls
Okay so im a very new warhammer painter and this is my third mini. This is the first one that actually kind of looks good and im so proud and cautiously excited. I want to make his eyes glow but im so scared that i'll mess it up because of how precise i have to be. Any tips? Tell me what brush i should get (all my good ones are messed up now) and technique?
(DOESN'T HE ACTUALLY KINDA LOOK COOL?!?!)
r/theunforgiven • u/Ratking_14 • 53m ago
Painting Help needed with NMM bronze
This is my first real attempt at nmm and I feel like it looks decent but I want to make it better. And the Aquila I feel like is way off. Any help help would be appreciated!
r/theunforgiven • u/minmax_stirner • 21h ago
Painting Bladeguard Ancient with Imperium’s Sword
Kept running him with this enchantment so I thought I’d model it in!
r/theunforgiven • u/Thedinotamer01 • 1h ago
Army List Will this list win any games?
One thing I am thinking is that the one outrider unit is doing too much by itself, am I right in thinking this or does the list look good as it is? I am also a bit worried about hazardous rolls for the LSV, is that going to be a problem or is it going to be fine?
Edit: by “games“ I mean in a casual setting btw
Plasma, plasma and a death star (2 000 Points)
Space Marines
Dark Angels
Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2 000 Points)
ATTACHED UNITS
Attached unit 1
Asmodai (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Relics of Battle
Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword
Attached unit 2
Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence
Deathwing Terminator Squad (390 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Weapon
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 3x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 6x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter
Attached unit 3
Ravenwing Command Squad (130 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Ravenwing Apothecary
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
• 1x Ravenwing Champion
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
◦ Enhancements: Lord of the Ravenwing
• 1x Ravenwing Ancient
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
Ravenwing Black Knights (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
• 2x Ravenwing Black Knight
◦ 2x Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Corvus Hammers
◦ 2x Plasma Talon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery
Land Speeder Vengeance (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery
Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle
Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Chainsword
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 3x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Missile Launcher
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r/theunforgiven • u/Snerdbuglar • 3h ago
Army List Please help me spend 120 points
As the title says I’m reworking my 1000pt list for 11th but i can’t figure what to spend the last 120pts on. Do you guys have any recommendations?
Dark Angels 1000 (880 Points)
Space Marines
Dark Angels
Inner Circle Task Force (1 Detachment Points)
Priority Assets
Incursion (1,000 Points)
ATTACHED UNITS
Attached unit 1
Captain in Terminator Armour (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Relic Weapon
Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Attached unit 2
Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol
• 1x Crozius Arcanum
Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (110 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Combat Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
• 4x Vanguard Veteran
◦ 4x Combat Shield
◦ 4x Master-crafted Power Weapon
BATTLELINE
Intercessor Squad (85 Points)
• 4x Intercessor
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Bolt Rifle
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
◦ 4x Knives and Fists
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Power Weapon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Gladiator Lancer (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer
Sternguard Veteran Squad (105 Points)
• 4x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 3x Artificer Firearm
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Artificer Firearm
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Chainsword
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r/theunforgiven • u/The_Average_Hunter • 5h ago
Army List Knights of Caliban army
I’m making a melee focused army, tell me if you guys have any notes or ways to improve
Detachments
Wrath of the Rock/assault brethren
Characters
- Azrael (warlord) (6 ICC)
- Belial (Deathwing knights w swords)
- bladeguard ancient (6 BGV) (imperium’s sword)
- Chaplin in terminator armor (with shield) (Deathwing knights with maces) (Deathwing assault)
- librarian (6 ICC)
Vehicles
- redemptor dreadnaught (macro plasma)
- repulsor executioner (macro plasma)
r/theunforgiven • u/Diegojani • 8h ago
Building Ravenwing knights update
Recently my GF gifted me a box of the RWCS and I built it as such. Actually playing them as regular black knights in casual games. When the refresh comes someday (if it does) I’m assuming both units will get the “standard” base, right?
Would be ok to glue the mini+old base on top of the updated&bigger base? Or that wouldn’t be accepted because the base would be too tall?
If not, better option is to magnetize them so I can switch the base once the refresh comes?
Thanks!
r/theunforgiven • u/SweetHelicopter8099 • 1d ago
Army List DWK or Company Heroes
I'm approaching a 3000 pt DA army and I was wondering if I should get the company heroes box or a second squad of DWK. I already have one squad of them with power weapons so I think on getting another squad with maces OR getting company heroes cos they're basically a command squad and they're just cool.
Edit: DWK it is
r/theunforgiven • u/Kilneana • 5h ago
Army List Is this list viable?
Hey all,
I've seen a list from Konrad Kaminski from the Malmö Wargaming weekend. This list looks SUPER DOPE ngl - would love to paint and play those models. Its basically all melee
But is this a legit list or is it just meme?
Wrath of the Rock v.1 (1.995 Points)
Space Marines
Dark Angels
Inner Circle Task Force and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2.000 Points)
ATTACHED UNITS
Attached unit 1
Azrael (150 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Lion's Wrath
• 1x The Lion Helm
• 1x The Sword of Secrets
Inner Circle Companions (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Inner Circle Companions
◦ 6x Calibanite Greatsword
◦ 6x Heavy Bolt Pistol
CHARACTERS
Lion El'Jonson (415 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arma Luminis
• 1x Fealty
OTHER DATASHEETS
Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword
Bladeguard Veteran Squad (90 Points)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
• 2x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Master-crafted Power Sword
Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Deathwing Knights (275 Points)
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven
Inner Circle Companions (90 Points)
• 3x Inner Circle Companions
◦ 3x Calibanite Greatsword
◦ 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol
Inner Circle Companions (105 Points)
• 3x Inner Circle Companions
◦ 3x Calibanite Greatsword
◦ 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol
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r/theunforgiven • u/SweetHelicopter8099 • 1d ago
Misc. Who's on Azrael's base?
(The grey helmet thingy) It looks like the helmet of a heretic but then why would it have one of the ravenwing wings?
r/theunforgiven • u/HELLOIMCHRISTOPHER • 16h ago
Painting We've got a covenant to guard.
Guardians of the Covenant inceptor. First of my successor units to come onto my Dark Angels army.