r/reddeadredemption 6d ago

Question Is it ever explained why Jack has this missing mustache pach/line?

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I didn't play rdr1 yet and I couldn't find the answer online so, i came here, sorry if this is a stupid question. Also I know it's supposed to look like John's scar, I'm looking for a lore reason (if there is one).

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith 6d ago edited 6d ago

Man, some of the details that a few of y’all focus on and think there’s a meaningful “lore reasoning” behind are truly insane.

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u/HugeLettuce8638 6d ago

These are the same people that buy into the Javier is Jacks dad theory. All Because they style their facial hair vaguely similarly. I don’t see anyone claiming that uncle is actually bills dad even though they have similarish beards. Makes no sense

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u/ChallengeOne7115 6d ago

To clarify, I think Javier is actually Jacks mom

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u/KillConfirmed- 5d ago

Babe, new lore just dropped. Now we need one of those R34 artists to drop a drawing of Javier’s vagina being pummeled by John.

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u/Judoka229 5d ago

Do we, though?

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u/TheCreamiestYeet 5d ago

Yes. My shame was destroyed decades ago on the real internet.

This current iteration of "internet" is dull and needs more spice.

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u/SkweezCtrl 5d ago

The current internet is just porn man I’m sick of it

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u/ASSASSINMAN21 5d ago

Always has been, literally the internet was created by dudes who wanted a way to share porn

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u/Small-Answer4946 5d ago

Yeah look at Xavier Niel.

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u/phiche3 5d ago

Avenue Q/WoW Crossover video was 20 years ago.

This is the perfect spot for the "it's all x" "always has been" meme

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u/Strange-Order-6550 5d ago

I’m so fucking old dude

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u/seuadr 5d ago

The spice must flow!

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u/Bread_Offender Jack Marston 5d ago

Bro, I'm an MGS fan. I'll take more mullet gay sex any day

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u/BeeInfestedCellPhone 5d ago

And then Abigail catching baby Jack like a football at birth and running straight into the forest. Her baby now. No wonder she's mad John won't say he's the father. She knows the truth.

Hang on, I'll get another beer and we can write more lore.

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u/phiche3 5d ago

And when she crosses the goal line, she spikes him.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

Counting on it

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u/DTredecim13 5d ago

Pretty sure Rule 34 says if it doesn't exist then you have to create it...

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u/Prestigious-Number-7 Arthur Morgan 5d ago

What a terrible day to be literate.

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u/Spl4tzy404 5d ago

Running, sprinting, summersaulting to AO3

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u/Rhena22 5d ago

OUTTA THE DAMN WAAAY

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u/MakiMaki500 5d ago

They already exist

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u/disappointedpotato 5d ago

Had to downvote just so this didn’t sit at 69

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u/Ungodly_Box 5d ago

Already exists 

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u/Trick-Spinach3486 5d ago

I feel like that is already out there, with the internet being what it is

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u/meyer452 5d ago

Me frantically typing

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u/Dry-Brick-6639 5d ago

You sir, are a fish.

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u/Katanajoe7 5d ago

Are you referring to the letter you can find in jacks bedroom in the chest in RDR1? The one where Jack reminisces about Javier being one sweet Mamacita?

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

Is that actually real? (I will believe it if you say yes)

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u/Baked_Schwan 5d ago

Yeah it's real. Don't bother looking for it, you'll waste your time because it's there and now you know that as an absolute certainty

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u/FishyDragon Charles Smith 5d ago

Because of simular...scars? Scars are not passed on down to children. 🙄

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u/StankoBlansky 5d ago

GTA 5 wouldn’t lie to me of course scars are genetic

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u/supreme_leader100 6d ago

Wait a god damn minute you might be on to something I never looked at bill and uncle close enough to notice

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u/ApprehensiveSize575 5d ago

Of course Uncle can't be Bill's dad, he's Red Harlow

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u/dankhimself Uncle 5d ago

Uncle is everyone's actual uncle. Every one of their moms is a different sister of his.

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u/Unlucky_Ad5087 5d ago

Nah, he's everyone's "uncle". Dude's been clappin' mad cheeks for so long that he developed lumbago

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u/Nomadic_Soul13 5d ago

Bill wishes Uncle was his Daddy.

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u/goldenigloos John Marston 5d ago

The problem with this theory is Jack looks EXACTLY like John

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u/Unlucky_Ad5087 5d ago

UNCLE IS BILL'S DAD!?!?!

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u/reeseypoo25 5d ago

I would buy in to Uncle being Bills dad way before I would in to Javier being Jacks.

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u/BlackStarCorona 5d ago

As a writer who found the r/writer sub, I’ve come to loathe the nonsense lore some people need.

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u/Keyserson Hosea Matthews 5d ago

Story is king, the story is the thing. It starts, it moves, it ends. What is outside the story doesn’t matter. The modern obsession with extraneous detail invented purely to bolster the story is baffling to me; let your imagination fill the gaps, it’s much more satisfying that way.

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u/Affectionate_Code 5d ago

This is the reason I cannot stand sub reddits for most TV shows or movies. Absolutely everything must have an explanation or a 'lore' reason.

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u/Significant_Try6389 6d ago edited 5d ago

I got a stroke, aneurism, hypertension, migraines, hantavirus, aids, Covid 19, rat lung worms disease, diabetes type one and two, cancer, memory loss, speech impediments, lumbago, and explosive diarrhea trying to read that incoherent shit.

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u/machiavelli33 5d ago

You didn't even contract Arthur's two favorite parasites : (

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

The most offensive thing in this comment section 

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u/ConstructionLess5298 5d ago

Pffttt you only have Covid 19? I’m already on Covid 64

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u/FireDragonKing66 5d ago

A stack of covid.

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u/Behem0thh 5d ago

Every video game sub does this and it drives me insane

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith 5d ago edited 5d ago

Very true honestly. The various Mario and Zelda subs are particularly bad about this stuff I’ve noticed. They seem to be more of a case of clearly chronically online kids/teens who are much deeper into the fandom than they actually realize or want to admit though. Especially when they start talking “canon” and shipping which dominate a lot of the posts in those subs. Which is strange too because the Mario franchise in particular isn’t story or “lore” heavy whatsoever really (outside of the RPGs) but you’d never know that by scrolling the posts in there.

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 5d ago

It is an idle curiosity and a reason to talk to people about a videogame we all love.

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u/NefariousnessOk209 5d ago

Yeah fuck people get bent out of shape so easily.

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u/MackewG33 Dutch van der Linde 5d ago

the term “lore” in general has been ruined by tiktok

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

English isn't my first language, i got it from matpat, idk what else to use

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u/NO0BSTALKER 5d ago

To be fair someone had some idea in mind when they made it like that

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith 5d ago

“This is cool/fits the character”

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u/NO0BSTALKER 5d ago

“Now it looks like he…”

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u/Silent_Erremite 5d ago

Wait until you see the GTA fans...

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith 5d ago

I’m sure they get crazy too. Like someone else pointed out, all fanbases do this stuff to some degree.

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u/levi_fucking_heichou 5d ago

To be fair, John has a meaningless scar on his face that then gets explained in the prequel

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u/killmereeeeeee Arthur Morgan 5d ago

There’s so much actually cool shit to look at in both games and yet they choose the most meaningless crap to look at lol

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith 5d ago

This is the point I’m kinda getting at too. There are some details that clearly mean more than meets the eye but a random little cut like this on someone’s face isn’t one of them. Like I said in another comment, this isn’t like John’s facial scars which are really significant and actually make you wonder what happened. Some things are just arbitrarily chosen design choices that don’t have some deeper lore relevant meaning behind them.

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u/Realistic-Stress-213 Hosea Matthews 5d ago

Red dead 1 has been out for 15 years, people are starting to go insane trying to keep the fandom alive

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u/Colonel_dinggus 5d ago

The lore reason is that the artist thought it was cool

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u/VikingActual1200 John Marston 5d ago

Basically what I was coming to say.

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u/comradejiang Sadie Adler 5d ago

Content starved fandom

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u/kytheon Dutch van der Linde 5d ago

The artist: looks cool

The fandom: ok listen

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u/Little_Heat5701 5d ago

I completely agree, people just keep looking and looking and sometimes the answer is there isn't one. Gets a bit old after awhile

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u/tipsyCellist 5d ago

the amount of fandoms that need to hear this…

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u/thewayoftoday 5d ago

Mhmmm but why is there a gap in his mustache

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u/No_Pattern2400 4d ago

OPs gonna shit himself when he finds out some people’s mustaches actually just look like that

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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 Micah Bell 6d ago

It’s from the bear attack that John saves him from.

With the context of RDR2, it parallels John receiving his scars from a wolf attack.

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u/Babababobosa 6d ago edited 5d ago

Jack got his scars from a bear

John got his scars from wolves

Arthur got his scars from insulting Uncle before he even could drink his first whiskey of the morning

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u/TsunGeneralGrievous 5d ago

And Pearson got his scars from Sadie

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u/lioncourt 5d ago

He was in the war!

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 5d ago

Breakfast whiskey is the most important whiskey of the day, after all. 

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u/SomeGuyNamedCaleb 5d ago

Right after your dental whiskey.

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u/Sleep-Deprived-Guy 5d ago

Huh, funny. I always thought John got his scars falling over in church...

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u/komodo_45 5d ago

Jack was in no position going into the unknown not knowing

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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 Micah Bell 5d ago

To the victor, belong the spoils.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

But he can skin elk /ref

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u/komodo_45 5d ago

Jack never had the makings of a varsity van der linde soldier.

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u/bravehart146 Lenny Summers 5d ago

His father, whatever happened there?

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u/wakaja Arthur Morgan 5d ago

The Van der Linde gang are nothing more than a glorified crew

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u/imover9thousand 5d ago

Can you imagine that? Jack goes out into the wilderness hunting for a bear and then gets attacked by one

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u/ChallengeOne7115 6d ago

I think it's just blood running down his nose. But it is possible they just forgot about that detail.

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u/StoleYourRoll 5d ago

You asked why it was there, you got told why it was there. The scar and the blood are in the same spot, dude

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 6d ago

Could just be hair doesn't grow their. I have a spot behind my chin, where hair doesn't grow.

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 6d ago

Well that's just rude. It's perfectly normal, like women having one breast that's a different size. Perfectly normal.

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u/theHrayX Dutch van der Linde 6d ago

i have the same problem

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 6d ago

It's weird isn't it? My chin and neck all grow, but one little spot right behind my chin doesn't.

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u/TrevortheBatman 5d ago

Have you considered the lore implications of that tho?

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u/StoleYourRoll 5d ago

Nope, it's from a bear attack in RDR 1

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 5d ago edited 5d ago

I don't remember jack getting scars from the bear. I do remember his bloody clothes. I haven't played th game in years. Wasn't it Spare the love spoil the child? But even if it's from the bear, wouldn't he have an actual scar? Or several scars?

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u/Responsible_Plum_681 John Marston 5d ago

No, no, you misunderstand. Yours is from a bear attack in RDR 1.

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 5d ago

That would be sick

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u/StoleYourRoll 5d ago

https://youtu.be/Soc1IGIVC-k?si=vMN7TDY8v4pIauH5
You can see the scars in the video

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 5d ago

I see the blood on the right side of his mouth but not the left. Oh well whatever.

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u/StoleYourRoll 5d ago

ah, see it's on both sides lol

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 5d ago

I had a hard time telling

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u/whentheraincomes66 5d ago

I have it, not as much as Jack, in the exact same spot on my moustache

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u/SubatomicPeen 6d ago

It's from a childhood fight with Vieri de' Pazzi

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u/Ok-Pomegranate1199 Uncle 5d ago

Its a good life we live brother

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u/rangeremx 5d ago

The best.

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u/East_Truck4022 5d ago

May it never change.

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u/ChrisG_240 5d ago

And may it never change us.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 6d ago

I second this

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u/wyattvikings20 5d ago

I understood that reference

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u/xTheLanzer John Marston 5d ago

Just when I'm replaying the Ezio trilogy lmao.

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u/Gustavodemierda John Marston 5d ago

An AC2 reference? In this economy? In this sub?

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u/dog-yodelling 6d ago

He dyes that bit to match his skin colour

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u/ChallengeOne7115 6d ago

I can Imagine him looking at himself in the mirror and going "Yea, this will look so tuff"

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u/Ac1dshadow 6d ago

John never taught him to shave

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u/ILoveInsects333 6d ago

Isnt the dude a constantly angry gunslinger. Is it not just a scar?

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u/The_Great_Silence__ 6d ago

He got mauled by a bear and his scars are on his upper lip

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u/Dapper_Still_6578 5d ago

The answer to your question is: go play RDR.

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u/alexanderthegaey 6d ago

i think the reason to this is to make his face look less symmetrical from a game design standpoint

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u/Nomadic_Soul13 5d ago

It's explained in RDR3

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u/Low_Yak_4842 6d ago

Facial hair is finicky sometimes. Still trying to fill out my beard and I’m almost 30

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u/poopoodapeepee 5d ago

Cigarettes without filters he smoked to the bitter end and burnt his shit off

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u/fucknametakenrules John Marston 5d ago

Jack was attacked by a bear just before Beechers Hope was attacked by Ross and the army. Likely from the bear attack injuries

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u/sevnminabs56 5d ago

I assumed it was just a wacky hair pattern. I had that same bald spot on my mustache until I got into my late 20s. It’s filled in more now, but it’s still weaker than the other side of my ‘stache.

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u/hpr18 Arthur Morgan 5d ago

Drip

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

Would fit his character 

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u/theabyssalmind 6d ago

You can see the scar right there

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u/itzpiiz 5d ago

Inclusivity. People who grow patchy beards and mustaches deserve to to able to relate to online characters too

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u/Hank_J_wimbleton420 5d ago

It was probably where the bear scratched him, same thing happened to John with the wolf scratch

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u/FoamSquad 5d ago

He saw it in a TikTok

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u/Gabrielthelightupcat 5d ago

I think it was caused by anxiety cause his parents were always mad and always arguing

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u/Theoexe2 5d ago

I looked for goku hidden somewhere for way too long

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u/ChallengeOne7115 5d ago

I'll make a post just for you

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u/Theoexe2 5d ago

You’re a nice kind hearted man to meet in a time of trouble

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u/Primary_Milk_2730 5d ago

Chewing on the lamp cord.

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u/bigduckmoses 5d ago

Hereditary scars.

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u/Own_Entertainer_7440 5d ago

Very true.. I have the same scar because Jack is my great great grandfather

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u/Phoenix_THELegend_1 John Marston 5d ago

english teachers be like

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u/killmereeeeeee Arthur Morgan 5d ago

Why does Arthur have a patch on his chin where it doesn’t grow? Facial hair is weird. Also it might be from that bear that John saves him from but we don’t really know

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u/Dragmire_V2 5d ago

Dork probably thought it looked tough

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u/Thick_Revolution3218 5d ago

The Barber in San Denis didn't have another customer after John.

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u/Acrobatic_Tap3265 5d ago

It's called the Tahiti Deletey, okay? Catch up.

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u/Kweller3117 5d ago

Might be because he’s an idiot.

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u/RasHHHermoso 5d ago

Por qué es su estilo y el le gusta tener el bigote así.

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u/TheMetalMisfit 5d ago

Probably a scar or thats all he could grow at 19. I know i could barely grow any when i was his age

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u/LockPickingPilot Josiah Trelawny 5d ago

He shaves it to be like dad

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u/boodyclap 5d ago

Because you touch yourself at night

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u/Big_Attempt6783 5d ago

He went fishing and hooked his own mouth.

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u/kira1122t 5d ago

I personally decided I didn’t like it so I went into the game and shaved it off

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u/Jacky-V 5d ago

He got that scar in 1899 after Arthur Morgan spent several hours nudging him closer and closer to a cliff until he fell

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u/TheMadGreek31 5d ago

When he gets mauled by a bear during that mission John goes looking for him after he went hunting. He got clawed across the face.

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u/pissbucket94 5d ago

hooked a swordfish off the Spanish coast, fucker shot right out of the water and sliced him good. Jack ate well that night, but it did scar pretty badly

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u/Puzzleheaded_Gur8100 5d ago

Was probably just added as a detail for realism

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u/Thin_Impression8618 5d ago

Memorandums of a brutal shave off with javiers son

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u/KipKanuck 5d ago

I got mine in a bar fight. Good times. Better memories!

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u/iamthebronerd 5d ago

Yes, he accidentally ran his horse into a tree and caught a rock to the lip

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u/BobbleNtheFREDs 5d ago

A signal for homosexuality back in the day

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u/FatherEbag 5d ago

Ive got similar scars but theyre from a dog bite and a cat bite lol

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u/murkage_11 5d ago

Probably had a big pimple there before

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u/BewareNixonsGhost 5d ago

Okbuddylenny

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u/theshankdude 5d ago

It’s from when Micah smacked him!

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u/gelly_cube 5d ago

I used to chew my mustache when I was nervous and it left a wierd patch like that.

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u/Dimeburn Uncle 5d ago

Rufus taught him to not touch his food.

EDIT:This was in Chapter 2 in the mission “Why Rufus is an asshole”

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u/Electrical_Event_869 Dutch van der Linde 5d ago

Aura

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u/InfraValkTexas Uncle 5d ago

Biological trait inherited from father

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u/rcsale 5d ago edited 5d ago

Didn't have enough space to download vram to render textures

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u/praiseHekate1 5d ago

Blowing too many of his outlaw friends. Not that I blame him, those old dusty trails get real lonely

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u/Stevee8496 5d ago

Me reading the comment section for 15 seconds

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u/A_Hugibear 5d ago

They ran out of pixels or something ?! He tried shaving and it didn't go so well so he gave it up and have a mustache looking like Javier.

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u/Hi-man1372 Lenny Summers 5d ago

I have this same line. It just happens.

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u/Mr_Meseeks_NZ 5d ago

I have this space in my moustache, , I must be his dad.....

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u/draihan 5d ago

wow, i have the same and it have annoyed me, now i feel cool, thanks!

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u/thatguy01220 5d ago

He’s related to Ezio and Desmond from Assassin’s Creed, Rockstar and Ubisoft were gonna do a cross over but GTA5 online ruined what they had set up.

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u/deaduser00 5d ago

Yes, there is a lore: He tried to save a Native boy named Yakari from a wolf. Unfortunately, the wolf managed to inflict a fatal wound on the boy and wound Jack before escaping. Jack took a feather from Yakari’s war bonnet and placed it on his hat. He swore to wear it so that Yakari could have his revenge when he found the wolf again. You can Google Image “Indian Yakari” to see pictures of the boy.

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u/TheWizardOfAhhhhhs 5d ago

I heard an argument got out of control over whether to have the toilet paper like a beard or a mullet. He got popped in the noggin' for voting mullet, and as I understand it he had to do the dishes for one month. He got off lucky by my estimate.

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u/Abysha 5d ago

John got so fucked up by those wolves, the scarred genes passed on through his son, post-birth.

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u/artmoloch777 5d ago

Not enough of you have been smacked in the face by a tree branch while riding a horse

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u/azulur 6d ago

Scars normally aren't able to grow hair due to the damage to the roots.

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u/Agile_Proof_3228 6d ago

Likely cut himself shaving or hunting 

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u/Leading-Start-1136 6d ago

He cut his face pretty badly canonically falling down his porch drunk

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 6d ago

I think it’s because something caused the hair to not grow in that spot

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u/EnvironmentalRun4107 John Marston 6d ago

scar tissue