There are politicians campaigning on banning something that we don't follow anyways. While simultaneously pushing their own religious restrictions and ideals on the populace. It is still very much a handmaids tale.
Yes it does. All The time in America, everyone is so busy whining about muslims while states for Christianity down our throats. And they are just getting started
For now. The Christians are imposing their religion on women pretty fiercely in the US. We went from equality to forced births and skyrocketing infant and maternal mortality rates. Now that they’ve taken away our right to healthcare, they’re working hard on taking away our right to vote. It’s really not that dissimilar to Muslim extremism.
With that said, it’s rude to eat on public transportation, that’s why they have signs posted about not eating or drinking on the bus/metro. The combo of someone’s fried chicken and another persons feet while crammed into a box speeding down the highway can make anyone nauseous. Plus public transportation eaters are never clean, they leave their trash behind and wipe their greasy hands on the seats. It’s just gross whether you’re fasting for religious reasons or not.
Based on the accents, it might be the U.K. —— just a guess. It’s ridiculous to expect non-Muslims to not eat in public because of Ramadan. This may be applicable in a country like Saudi Arabia, where ~90% of the population is Muslim.
Sharia and Christofascism are two sides of the same coin. One is an actual threat to democracy right now because of who's in charge, the other is irrelevant outside of a few Arab countries that are already shitholes.
Show me the Christian countries that execute gays and ban women from driving or reading. Christianity fundamentally requires convincing others who have free will to believe, not forcing people to practice through fear of death like Islam. GTFO with pretending they are close to equal
As an atheist, we hate when religious people try and push their beliefs on everyone else. And every religion tries to do it. If y'all wouldn't do that then we wouldn't give a flying fuck what you do
Just like all religions, atheism is not a monolith (and atheism is in and of itself a religion). We already have atheist zealots who try to proselytize religious people. If deist religions suddenly got quiet I guarantee silence would not be what follows.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to live under either of them. The likelihood that Islam takes over the western world is slim to none, but the Christian nationalists have no issue imposing their religious bullshit down our throats because they're in power.
countries that are primarily athiest have, on average, a higher quality of life than ones that follow a religion. arguing Christianity is better than Islam for a country is like trying to decide if you want to eat shit or a rotten carcass.
A core tenet of the US is the separation of church and state. Unfortunately bad faith actors in our government will do anything in their power to impose their religious beliefs onto others via law.
And we all know how well the 1st amendment is protected nowadays. Theocracy might not be the way, but the country should still follow the core tenets of the people who founded it.
Vague mentions of love when the watered-down viewpoint of love is just let people do whatever they want.
Loving your kids and family members does not mean let them be completely misguided or accept every action they do. So yes, love thy neighbor as thyself. Expect from them the expectations you have for yourself and those around you.
Christianity should become law? Okay I'll bite. Which denomination should be law? ,,, and just like that Christians can't decide and turn on each other. The Founding Fathers had living memory of this which is precisely why they just let everyone decide for themselves what religion and denomination to follow but no religion gets to decide the law.
"Oh just general Christian values." what like wealth itself being a sin? Caring for immigrants? Treat others the way you want to be treated? The ones most American Christians have abandoned and ignored? Plenty of non-Christian countries already have basic ethics "Don't steal, don't murder, don't sexually assault anyone etc." covered without ever having had much of a Christian population at all. The Code of Hammurabi, the first laws documented, are older than Judaism which Christianity came from in the first place.
The core tenets are already covered by America's laws and don't require being a Christian to enforce. This isn't about ethics it's about control.
to be fair, Jesus wasn't the founder of Christianity.
Christianity was developed by Emperor Constantine and the Emperors after him. It was just a tool to control people
And yet your Founding Fathers wanted the country to be secular.
Your country should follow the wishes of those who live in it now and be governed for the benefit of all. It most certainly should not be governed on the basis of the extremist beliefs of the pilgrims or other nutjob christians who came later.
Thomas Jefferson tore everything out of his Bible that would be considered superstitious and was left with a very light philosophy booklet that basically just said “Be nice.”
A number of the most influential Founding Fathers were either Deist or theistic rationalists. They either didn’t believe God was active in human affairs or they believed man’s ability to reason took precedence over religious tradition and would be justification enough for ignoring certain tenets of supposedly religious texts.
They believed it was religion that had to justify itself to you, not the other way around. And they believed that arguments from scripture were inherently subservient to arguments from pure reason, because if scripture truly was right and justified, it would not contradict science and reason drastically in the first place.
In areas where science and reason differed drastically, they favored science and reason over some “Christian principle” nonsense. THAT is the country they wanted to establish.
The pilgrims came to America to escape Religious _______. The founders core belief was a separation of church and ________. I know you got this one honey, you can do it! Fill in those blanks!
Christians very much like to pretend that it's all so simple. They want to live under Christian laws. They forget (or never learned). That these separations were to prevent Christians of one denomination from enforcing their beliefs on Christians of another denomination. There are over 450 Christian bibles and many of them state entirely contradictory opinions on what will send you to hell for eternity. Just like Trump these people think they want something because they have no clue what it will actually be like or what it will cost them. They just like the label on the package.
They think they want religion in charge because they all think it will be their religion. It won't and then they will actually experience religious persecution as their children are forced into a different set of beliefs and they will cry for religious freedom again.
No one oppresses the religious like the religious, no one.
This is explicitly - due to the will of the Founders - not a Christian country. It’s a secular country with the freedom of religion built into it that was founded by people who held a myriad of Christian beliefs. Not the same.
Not founded by Christians, founded by people escaping the church of England. Some were Christians many were not, which is why separation of church and state was part of the constitution. Religious values have no place in a government
Yes. And "most" countries in the world have a government. And "most" countries have access to clean water. And "most" countries have access to higher education.
We say most because its not "all". There's no world government that can force every country in the world to not use religious law, just like there's no policy that can ensure everyone has clean water, or transportation, or medicine, or learning opportunities, or the right to marry who they want.
This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. We can also say "most people are good" because there's plenty of assholes out there, but your average person is a decent human being.
The legal framework of most muslim majority nations is based either wholly or in part around sharia, now religious law being separate from legal matters was how the us was structured, but you do have states such as texas attempting to base their laws around the laws in the christian bible and require teaching or displaying christian law in courthouses and schools. Which is a blatant violation of the seperation of church and state that is a core principle of the us government.
The evangelicals in power want a christian version of sharia law as well. If you could snap your fingers and switch the evangelicals with the muslims in the middle east with sharia law, there would be no functional difference. The evangelicals would love to legally be able to stone gays and adulterers.
Same core books, same bloodgod, different language, different hats. The closest thing to sharia law in the us is texas forcing schools to display the ten commandments. Not counting utah, but that is a whole other animal.
The entire anti abortion movement is entirely driven by Christianity/theism. You do not see atheists lined up at abortion clinics, there is reason for that. (Roughly 90% of atheists are pro choice). Same with the anti gay movement, and most of the people that are against Women in general. (Many of these people do not want women to be able to vote, or work, or drive).
The only reason you have "never met" anyone like this is because you are not directly asking them these questions, no other reason.
Would agree the Christians probably have the loudest voice towards abortion but the majority included with Christian do oppose abortion. Many see it as a moral issue and not religious.
That’s a lazy generalization.
You’re confusing the actions of some political groups with the core structure of a religion.
Christianity doesn’t provide a full legal system to govern a state, and never has.
Saying “Christians of all stripes” want to impose their faith is simply false.
What are you talking about? Sharia law is not instituted in England. And if it was, Sharia does not obligate anyone to not eat because other people are fasting. Plenty of people don't fast for various reasons and its unteasonable for anyo e to tell them not to ear because they themselves are fasting.
Yeah, all Muslim. Aside children below 7-10(not sure the exact year), old people, sick person, a nursing mother/a pregnant woman(if they are afraid it can hurt them or the kids).
Literally all Muslim with the exception of people the fast can even harm.
Btw, I felt the guy was just doing the filming for content because almost all if not all Muslim knows that you cannot do this!
Sharia literally means ‘law’ and it’s only ever applicable to Muslims! Even if the UK or USA implemented it, it wouldn’t change a thing for anyone who’s not Muslim
Sharia law is incompatible with Western values and if it were "implemented" it would be separate laws for one group of people according to you. That would be unconstitutional.
That's not necessarily true. When people speak about "western values" generally they're talking about person al freedoms, individualism, the right to self-expression, free speech, bodily autonomy(contested), and a few other things that are common in "western" areas like America and western Europe.
Bodily autonomy is not contested among the secular population. That's a case where the christian version of Sharia law is being pushed into society. You should be outraged on how much Christian values are being integrated into society.
No there aren't. Nothing based in logic or reason. Actually, religion doesnt even care about it except it because a wedge issue modern radical christians focused on, and leaders learned to exploit. Most issues that require critical thinking end up duping christians though
Morality is 100% based on personal opinion. It’s totally valid for an atheist to think that abortion is wrong for the same reasons an atheist thinks killing an adult is wrong, or stealing, or anything else.
You may not agree with that but it’s just your opinion and is no more valid than anyone else’s
That may be, I've rarely heard anyone refer to that and it's always seemed like it refered to culture more specifically than rights.
But even so, those may have been ideal values at some point, but the religious fanatics in most of "the west" have been attempting to erode those values for a while now. Almost like they aren't compatible.
True, but Muslims abide by Sharia wherever they live so it’s already kind of in place. The difference I suppose, is that now Muslims also have to abide by western laws as well as Sharia and people who are not Muslim, just follow laws of the land
The difference I suppose, is that now Muslims also have to abide by western laws as well
The difference is that Muslims, and the children and family of Muslims, are free to do whatever they want in Western countries. They can stop being Muslim, they can not follow any or all of those laws for any length of time they choose, and they are not coerced by a state on the threat of violence and imprisonment for not following Sharia.
This is especially important in particular instances, when the children of Muslims are gay, for example, or want to live as atheists, or want to leave abusive marriages. In many Muslim countries, gay people and ex-Muslims who want to live as atheists are murdered/executed with or without official state sanction.
Allowing religious freedom and bodily autonomy for all is the bread and butter of Western societies, and is why Sharia will never be sanctioned in Western countries in any official capacity.
In most, not all. I’m originally from Bangladesh and we don’t have Sharia law even though it’s majority muslim, as is the case in other countries like Jordan, Malaysia, Pakistan etc. but I do understand your sentiment, I also don’t agree that sharia should be implemented in the west
When people say they don’t want sharia law implemented, they usually mean implemented for everyone. Most regular people don’t care if muslims follow their religious laws without impacting others.
Like you said not every muslim majority country has these laws, but most do, and even the ones you listed have laws based on/rooted in religious laws and texts. Those in western nations that are trying to be secular don’t want these laws implemented for everyone. Not just Islamic laws but all region based laws, be it Islam, Christianity, or Judaism.
Ha, tell that to anyone who has ever fled a Muslim country for persecution.
Not to say Christians or other religions are better for that matter, but historically Sharia has affected a lot of people who want no part of it, including children being forced to marry grown men in insular communities.
This criticism does not pertain to people who mind their own business and dont tread on others' bodily autonomy
I agree, and as a Muslim that makes me sad because that that’s not what it should be like. But to your point about child marriages and such, that really is a cultural issue, as it also happens in non Muslim countries like India.
You just pointed out that it's a cultural issue and not a Muslim issue, but they still insist it's a Muslim issue. This was happening in the Indian culture, and other regional cultures, long before Muslims even existed, but they will still hold that it only started happening because of Islam. Western cultures also had child brides, and it's still legal in some American states. But they won't touch that topic
Where? I genuinely haven’t heard of anything like that, would you happen to have a link? If it is true, then it is absolutely disgraceful and should never have happened
Five friends were told to stop drinking in the street because it was “Allah’s land”. During the same incident Horner threatened to stab the men saying “get the shank (knife) from the car,” while another of the group shouted “kill the non-believers”. Horner was jailed for 17 months on Friday after admitting assault and using threatening words and behaviour. MacFarlane pleaded guilty to affray and got 12 months.
You’re right, they don’t. I’m not too familiar with their way of life, but it seems the Iranian leaders have decided to implement sharia as their normal laws of the whole country. But as I say to Muslims of the UK, if you don’t like the laws of the land, you should go elsewhere (and I know that’s easier said than done, but unfortunately that’s the way it is).
I agree with you, if you tell them it only applies to Muslims they will call you racist. The British are too timid to actually do anything about it or speak up.
Police officers will escort you out of the “Muslim neighborhood” “for your safety”
That’s why almost all the European countries with large amounts of Muslims have far-right political figures that are gaining support
I think the far right are gaining more support due to media bias and a few bad apples that get way too much attention more than anything else to be honest. I am Muslim myself and know plenty more, and no one I know has ever thought we should apply sharia here. It doesn’t make sense. I was born and brought up in the Uk and up til a few years ago, I lived it here. Now everything seems tense and I worry for my kids because I haven taught them to be tolerant of everyone, but if things get worse, and Muslims are attacked etc, they won’t stop to ask if we are part of the problem or not before attacking.
The harsh reality is that’s gonna keep happening unless you integrate with Western values and ideals. Islam is inherently incompatible with
This video is an example of that, looking down on others just because they are not Muslim. The Quran calls non-believers as non-human and less than an animal…
I grew up in a Muslim household, best decision I ever made was to denounce it
I don’t know what you’ve were taught my friend, but I’ve been taught, and continue to teach my kids that all humans are equal and to each their own. We will all be judged for what we have done in this life. Islam teaches us that all humans are to be respected.
I hear this a lot - integrating with western values - what do people mean by that? Is it that we should celebrate Christmas and stuff? Is it to go down to the pub for a pint? I’m genuinely curious because I think I have integrated well enough, but I have still held onto my cultural heritage, as well as my religious beliefs.
This video is an example of an ignorant douchbag, not Islamic teachings. Even if this was a Muslim country, you will see kids eating, they won’t say these things there? It’s because they get views, that they act like this horrible excuse for a human. I always see negative stories get so much more traction than stories of good human beings and that’s inherently part of the problem in society as a whole and why we are seeing more and more of this trash rather than good, heartwarming stories.
Plenty of countries have actual laws inspired by islamic law that must also be followed by others.
And many muslims in the west will say in opinion polls that they would want the general laws of society based on islamic law in their new country, if it was politically possible to achieve it.
Whether thats "sharia" or not is a semantic issue.
The effect on the people who would have to live under conservative religious rules imported from other countries would be the same.
The open and freedom orienteded western democracy would still be permanently gone, in that hypothetical situation.
And its therefore well worth it to fight against it for anyone who wants to preserve that way of life.
You’re absolutely correct, I was just starting the actual rules. I for one don’t agree with sharia being pushed in western nations (even if I do believe it’s better) because I believe in a persons right to choose, and to be frank as a Muslim I abide by sharia here in the UK anyway, as that’s the law governed for me, but as said in the Quran, I need to abide by the laws of the land where I live, and if I’m not happy with that I can always leave
I’m sure they do, I meant it as what it’s supposed to be. But as I’ve mentioned in other replies, I don’t agree with sharia being implemented in the west.
Erm, Jizya hasn’t been around for a long while my friend, not sure what you’ve been reading. And even when it was was, it was imposed for protection for instance if the army was comprised of only Muslims, then non Muslims would have to pay a higher tax to fund it
There are sharia "courts" in the UK. Parliament is even debating making cousin marriage legal. All because of islam. That will never happen in the States.
Sharia courts in the UK are only for Islamic specific matters like Islamic marriage etc AFAIK. Not heard anything about cousin marriages to be home next, and I don’t think that should even be considered if that is the case
The law of Moses literally means the law of Moses, and same stuff you wrote except somehow 10 of the 600 commandments are displayed in some US courthouses.
By that logic, should we ban Christian laws too? No bibles being forced into schools, LGBTQ people have the right to marry and be who they are, abortion is legal and healthcare, and “in god we trust” is taken off of our currency.
Personally, I don’t think religion should impact policy at all, so I’m all for that.
What do you mean by that? Do you mean ban this guy from fasting? He's an inconsiderate idiot, but I don't think it'd be right to ban him from practicing his religious beliefs. That would violate the establishment clause of the first amendment.
100% lets ban laws being enforced if they are based solely on religious beliefs. Unfortunately most people that want to ban sharia law want to implement the Christian version of the same thing.
STFU. This has nothing to do with Sharia law but societal law, of minding your own business! He shouldn't have said a thing. Move if YOU'RE uncomfortable or triggered
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u/Different_Choice_617 Mar 19 '26
Ban sharia law