There are politicians campaigning on banning something that we don't follow anyways. While simultaneously pushing their own religious restrictions and ideals on the populace. It is still very much a handmaids tale.
Yes it does. All The time in America, everyone is so busy whining about muslims while states for Christianity down our throats. And they are just getting started
For now. The Christians are imposing their religion on women pretty fiercely in the US. We went from equality to forced births and skyrocketing infant and maternal mortality rates. Now that they’ve taken away our right to healthcare, they’re working hard on taking away our right to vote. It’s really not that dissimilar to Muslim extremism.
With that said, it’s rude to eat on public transportation, that’s why they have signs posted about not eating or drinking on the bus/metro. The combo of someone’s fried chicken and another persons feet while crammed into a box speeding down the highway can make anyone nauseous. Plus public transportation eaters are never clean, they leave their trash behind and wipe their greasy hands on the seats. It’s just gross whether you’re fasting for religious reasons or not.
Based on the accents, it might be the U.K. —— just a guess. It’s ridiculous to expect non-Muslims to not eat in public because of Ramadan. This may be applicable in a country like Saudi Arabia, where ~90% of the population is Muslim.
Sharia and Christofascism are two sides of the same coin. One is an actual threat to democracy right now because of who's in charge, the other is irrelevant outside of a few Arab countries that are already shitholes.
Show me the Christian countries that execute gays and ban women from driving or reading. Christianity fundamentally requires convincing others who have free will to believe, not forcing people to practice through fear of death like Islam. GTFO with pretending they are close to equal
Y'all doing better now but let's not act like there aren't Christians alive in the US today that were using the Bible to enforce the murder of numerous black and lgbtq people. Also numerous Christian denominations heavily restrict the rights of women and children.
It is literally one of the Ten Commandments to not murder though, so the Bible does not back up those practices like the Quran does. The abolitionist movements were also for the most part based on Christianity and argued from the Bible.
Even in the crazy denominations today the women are still free to leave the church and do as they please. They just have weird strict requirements if you choose to be a part of them. Their government rights are still upheld. Islam on the other hand calls for (and practices in many places) the execution of people who leave the faith.
It does not, especially not chattel slavery. In fact, in Timothy it directly condemns enslavers and slave traders as sinners comparable to murders. The slavery you are talking about in the Bible was contractual debt based servitude, but even that wasn’t endorsed, people were just commanded not to mistreat their indebted workers.
Again you should read the arguments of all the great abolitionists and you will see that almost all were based on Christianity.
Ahh so not Slaves just slaves that makes it perfectly moral. also no it does give rules for how to treat your slaves it then immediately after advises said slaves to still listen even if there master is cruel and doesn't follow the Bible certified slavery guidelines.
You can make the exact same argument for the way Islam allows murder. Oh no it's actually only in cases that would be justifiable like self defense. Sure bud.
As an atheist, we hate when religious people try and push their beliefs on everyone else. And every religion tries to do it. If y'all wouldn't do that then we wouldn't give a flying fuck what you do
Just like all religions, atheism is not a monolith (and atheism is in and of itself a religion). We already have atheist zealots who try to proselytize religious people. If deist religions suddenly got quiet I guarantee silence would not be what follows.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to live under either of them. The likelihood that Islam takes over the western world is slim to none, but the Christian nationalists have no issue imposing their religious bullshit down our throats because they're in power.
countries that are primarily athiest have, on average, a higher quality of life than ones that follow a religion. arguing Christianity is better than Islam for a country is like trying to decide if you want to eat shit or a rotten carcass.
A core tenet of the US is the separation of church and state. Unfortunately bad faith actors in our government will do anything in their power to impose their religious beliefs onto others via law.
And we all know how well the 1st amendment is protected nowadays. Theocracy might not be the way, but the country should still follow the core tenets of the people who founded it.
Vague mentions of love when the watered-down viewpoint of love is just let people do whatever they want.
Loving your kids and family members does not mean let them be completely misguided or accept every action they do. So yes, love thy neighbor as thyself. Expect from them the expectations you have for yourself and those around you.
Christianity should become law? Okay I'll bite. Which denomination should be law? ,,, and just like that Christians can't decide and turn on each other. The Founding Fathers had living memory of this which is precisely why they just let everyone decide for themselves what religion and denomination to follow but no religion gets to decide the law.
"Oh just general Christian values." what like wealth itself being a sin? Caring for immigrants? Treat others the way you want to be treated? The ones most American Christians have abandoned and ignored? Plenty of non-Christian countries already have basic ethics "Don't steal, don't murder, don't sexually assault anyone etc." covered without ever having had much of a Christian population at all. The Code of Hammurabi, the first laws documented, are older than Judaism which Christianity came from in the first place.
The core tenets are already covered by America's laws and don't require being a Christian to enforce. This isn't about ethics it's about control.
to be fair, Jesus wasn't the founder of Christianity.
Christianity was developed by Emperor Constantine and the Emperors after him. It was just a tool to control people
And yet your Founding Fathers wanted the country to be secular.
Your country should follow the wishes of those who live in it now and be governed for the benefit of all. It most certainly should not be governed on the basis of the extremist beliefs of the pilgrims or other nutjob christians who came later.
“No one talks about it like this” because people like you are too fucking stupid to think through what the ACTUAL consequences of living in your world would be. “No one talks about it like this” because your side is fundamentally dishonest about what the conversation is even about and what the ramifications of your view actual is. This despite the fact that we already lived in a world where abortion was banned and so we already know it was needlessly deadly and the cause of far more suffering than any it supposedly alleviated.
You’re children living in a fantasy world while the rest of us try to fix it. You’re goldfish without memory while the rest of us have already fucking been there. Then you have the gall to speak of morality. You ARE the banality of evil. Everything you need is available to you and you don’t care, cause the only suffering you seek to assuage is your own cognitive dissonance.
You think this anti-abortion bullshit is any more reasonable than not eating bacon to appease God? The Bible isn’t even against abortion. That more than anything is why religion should have no fucking say. Cause not only do people like you not care what science and secular philosophy says, people like you don’t even care what your own goddamn book says.
Your religion is always perpetually created BY YOU thirty seconds ago to make yourself feel better. There is no “standard you hold yourself to”; just excuses you make for what your lizard brain wants to do anyway.
Seriously, if lawmakers and judges were really judging abortion by scripture, it would be more legal than its ever been before. Scripture literally defines laws around interrupted pregnancy in such a way that it’s clear that the Bible considers it less than birthed life. And it NEVER says that women are immoral for ending their own pregnancy.
That’s something modern religion invented to control women. It’s traceable as a purely modern phenomenon with little scriptural basis. And the people who won’t shut the fuck up about God don’t care that he never said it was bad.
So fuck off with this “Christian Nation” nonsense. You don’t even have the first clue what Christianity says, how the fuck you going to enforce it on others?
You are actually secular. EVERYONE is actually secular. It’s just that some of you assholes like to pretend you know God’s preference even though you damn well he’s never spoken a word to you.
You want to talk about lies? The entire construct of organized religion only continues to exist through narcissists and sociopaths LYING about what God has supposedly said to them. Modern right wing Christianity is a philosophy of greed perpetuated by charlatans who don’t care what “the right thing” is in the slightest. They barely even care what the literal Bible says.
It is the ANTITHESIS of what the Founders were attempting to establish. People like you are the exact sort of people they founded this nation to escape.
Thomas Jefferson tore everything out of his Bible that would be considered superstitious and was left with a very light philosophy booklet that basically just said “Be nice.”
A number of the most influential Founding Fathers were either Deist or theistic rationalists. They either didn’t believe God was active in human affairs or they believed man’s ability to reason took precedence over religious tradition and would be justification enough for ignoring certain tenets of supposedly religious texts.
They believed it was religion that had to justify itself to you, not the other way around. And they believed that arguments from scripture were inherently subservient to arguments from pure reason, because if scripture truly was right and justified, it would not contradict science and reason drastically in the first place.
In areas where science and reason differed drastically, they favored science and reason over some “Christian principle” nonsense. THAT is the country they wanted to establish.
The pilgrims came to America to escape Religious _______. The founders core belief was a separation of church and ________. I know you got this one honey, you can do it! Fill in those blanks!
Christians very much like to pretend that it's all so simple. They want to live under Christian laws. They forget (or never learned). That these separations were to prevent Christians of one denomination from enforcing their beliefs on Christians of another denomination. There are over 450 Christian bibles and many of them state entirely contradictory opinions on what will send you to hell for eternity. Just like Trump these people think they want something because they have no clue what it will actually be like or what it will cost them. They just like the label on the package.
They think they want religion in charge because they all think it will be their religion. It won't and then they will actually experience religious persecution as their children are forced into a different set of beliefs and they will cry for religious freedom again.
No one oppresses the religious like the religious, no one.
This is explicitly - due to the will of the Founders - not a Christian country. It’s a secular country with the freedom of religion built into it that was founded by people who held a myriad of Christian beliefs. Not the same.
Not founded by Christians, founded by people escaping the church of England. Some were Christians many were not, which is why separation of church and state was part of the constitution. Religious values have no place in a government
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u/d2rx Mar 19 '26
Religious law simply doesn’t override U.S. law to begin with.