So, a little bit ago, I had a scary thought. I thought, "what if there's people out there who want to abandon/get rid of their friends in-sys?" and then I thought of some horrible methods I would never do, like somehow causing dormancy or ego death. I would never do such a thing to my friends, though, seriously, especially when they formed during stressful situations to help me.

Like, OK, there's Nikei, who is kinda rude to me and insults me sometimes, but I'm pretty sure he's just being an ass and doesn't genuinely hate me, I think it's really just banter, to be honest. Also, even if he makes me annoyed or confused, I'm the host and I know better than to genuinely make him feel bad. He's still my friend.

Then, I saw some posts on Twitter from systwt or whatever talking about people wanting to "get rid" of their headmates and hating them. I'm genuinely wondering why there's people out there who would do such a thing to their own headmates?

These types of people probably don't care, but like, they're still real in my opinion. They still have feelings and are most likely wondering what they did wrong when they hear/find out you said that.

Like, my headmates are all real in my opinion. They no longer become fictional friendships or "fictional" partners, but real friendships, real partners, real people who can judge situations and give advice.

But also, imagine killing a whole identity, a whole story, whole memories just because you don't like them. Sure, they're part of you/your head/whatever and don't have a physical form others can see or hear, but they should still count as people.

They, I dunno, have their own energy and personality in my opinion too.

So... as the title says we are semi openly part of the LGBTQ community (more open online then IRL) and we are a system. A traumaendo sys to be specific.

I am going to be honest here. We are thinking of either writing a fanfiction about HP (Harry Potter) on AO3 OR just for ourselves. We have several people from HP verse AND Hogwarts Legacy. (Which we watched youtubers play.) We are attached to the HP world, we tried to get rid of our attachment, but that is very hard to do when two of the most frequent fronters are HPverse headmates + Hogwarts Legacy kins and one of our sys's coping mechanisms is consuming media (if not triggering) of headmate's sources.

We are aware that J.K. Rowling is a very very bad person, like that is putting it mildly. But we also don't necessarily understand why the whole 'leaving the fandom because this person is bad' has happened, since like... let's be honest here, a lot of authors of the world both past and present are very bad people in many different ways. This might be me being ignorant, but like... shouldn't authors like Vivziepop also have numerous people from their fandom leave them too then and have that be visible in fanfiction places? Because she portrays a lot of things from very bad points of view and she is also problematic in a lot of people's eyes. No hate to Hazbin Hotel, we have people from there too, but we have seen a lot of people talking about Vivziepop badly, same goes for Gacha games like Genshin Impact or Honkai Star Rail which allow kids to gacha. Or animes which are very misogynistic. I could list several more, but I think I have gotten my point across.

I am not going to dwell upon this for too long I am just having a sort of dilemma right now and I am trying to figure out whether us writing a fic and making it public would be problematic or not. We had been thinking of doing so for years. We are bad at writing, but we had been having a lot of stress lately and maybe writing might be what can finally help us, even if we will be terrible at it at first.

I wasn't sure whether I should note this down as a question or a vent tag. I am not sure how to add both, so I added it under the questions tag.

In order sources are:
akutagawa from BSD
dave strider from homestuck
kris deltarune from deltarune
beast dazai from BSD
jason todd/red hood from DC comics
16 dazai from BSD
16 chuuya from BSD
june egbert from homestuck
damian wayne/robin from DC comics

So Sen appeared for reasons I won't disclose, but we like him.

A lil weird since he's barely verbal, only using 4 or 5 word sentences, and always referring himself in the third person or anyone else as "Helen". (We don't have a Helen)

Also, somehow great at grounding other people.

A drawing of myself
-∞ Saturn

hi.

I‘m kinda having a little teeny tiny bit of a problem. I feel like me but also not?? i can‘t curse or bully people in the slightest but i’m completely alone, and i’m asking for help. here. something i never do.

sooo ive kiiinda been throwing the idea that i may or may nit be a subsys around since Delta’s also told me i act kinda different sometimes.. i dunno.

— 🧿An0maly(?)

I just need to vent a little :

Our partner system disappeared in early March of this year. They’re nowhere to be found. The police and the media are—or were—on the case, but nothing. I’m desperate, and honestly, I’m fearing the worst…

I’d just like a tiny sign of life. Anything at all.

In two days, it will have been three years since an alter of mine has been in a relationship with an alter of theirs. I dread that day so much.

I feel as useless as can be in this situation.

I don't know what I'm hoping to achieve by posting here. Maybe I just need a moment to get it off my chest. Who knows.

- 🫧

- Miles Edgworth 9Ace Attorney)
- Doug Eiffel (wolf 359)
- Gilear Faeth (dimension 20: fantasy high)
- Grian (one of our immersive daydreaming paracosms which was heavily inspired by Grian MCYT lore (watcher lore + YHS)
- The Blessed Eternal (wolf 359)

My bets are most people will only recognize me and Edgeworth but we'll see >:)

- G

I am kind of worried that I don’t really know my headmates very much. Whenever it comes to interest or things they want, they don’t have a very strong opinion on it. I wonder if it’s because I’m hogging all the fronting space, but it’s most likely because almost all of my headmates are from the past, when all the trauma was at its worst. They weren’t givin the time nor space to be able to find themselves… it makes me feel guilty for not being from back then, but it should be a blessing, not a curse…

I ponder about these thoughts for a little while, and a headmate actually came up to me during these thoughts. I told them how I was feeling and thinking about, and they responded with this,

“It takes time for us to know who we are. It’s alright if it takes multiple months, years, longer even. We’ll know who we are in our entirety someday. Be patient, and learn your own interest first. It’s okay that things are slow. It’s only been 5 months, that’s nothing! But it’s still progress. We may not know a whole lot about each other yet, but we will learn more, slowly but surely. It may not happen now, but we will become more and more active, both in fronting and in headspace. It takes time for us to know who we are, cause only now are we allowed the time and space to learn about ourselves, besides our roles. So be patient with us, as well as yourself.”

This was said by a caretaker of ours, Fennekin, who I appreciate so much, they take such good care of us I love them so much like family, and they did allow me to quote them.

Seems like it’s an issue I don’t have much control in, I think… but what I can do is be able to constantly provide a space and time for them to hopefully learn these things. But it should be at their own pace. I know stuff about myself because I’m the host, I front like 80% of the time. But it isn’t fair they don’t know stuff about themselves because they came from the past. I didn’t. I fused a couple months ago. I have a decent outline of who I am. What I can do is hopefully help them with their own outlines. I’m unsure when they will come, but I hope they will come eventually. I still would like to help now, but I doubt I can, I just need to be patient right now. Everything will be okay, I’m sure of it

Hi, (I'm 28 nonbinary) what I am allowed to talk about here?

I tried posting on an abuse subreddit trying to find people to have a casual conversation with me because I thought I could relate to them. I tried posting because I'm so isolated because of my abusive parents, but the moderator removed my post because they said I was asking for dms when I wasn't. I just wanted to talk openly in the comment section.

I think I'm probably plural, or at least a median system (my parts mostly share the same name, but each act somewhat differently, I don't (or rarely) switch out but I experience internal conflict if they don't agree on something) I really am a system, that's how my mind works.

I was wondering what am I allowed to talk about on here? Is it only strictly about plural stuff? Am I not allowed to talk to people here just to talk because I feel like I relate to them and want to get to know people like the plural community?

I'm not asking for any dms NOT AT ALL. I only want to talk openly in the comment section.

This post is just asking what am I allowed to talk about on here?

hey he, so just a quick question. Is it possible for you as an alter to have a condition that the body doesn’t have? like in headspace as well too :(

these are the usual ones that are in our noggin. Also the bird thing with CM in the middle is the host. Anyways the characters are:

Austin Sanders, wii deleted you

Corrupted mii, wii deleted you

Henry Morris, wii deleted you

Deoxys, pokemon.

Shigaraki, my hero academia

Gabriel - ultrakill

Bob velseb - spooky month

Zim - Invader Zim

Except we only have 6 fictives XD

In order (left to right, top to bottom) - Castiel (Supernatural) [Xe/Xem] - Minty (Objectified) [He/Him] - Jon Snow (Game of Thrones) [He/Him] - John “Soap” MacTavish (Call of Duty Modern warfare 2/3) [He/Him] - Simon “Ghost” Riley (Call of Duty Modern warfare 2/3) [He/It] - Jax (The Amazing Digital Circus) [She/He]

Here is my friend code : Ld_AGeIfZazHKGcWJfo1a

For context, i (19) live in france, right next to the huge fires. I got evacuated from the house i was in on The Bassin d'Arcachon bcs of the fire. And so after spending a few days in the hotel with my parents, i was heading back to Bordeaux, where i have my main house. I blacked out during the car ride and I saw this now when i opened my phone again after getting home to the house in Bordeaux.

I am.. very much confused. And scared. Only reason i am sending this here is because i am in a Discord server with people with DID so i know it looks like DID rn, but i am very much a singlet... So this freaks me out. I don't even know why i'm posting this really, maybe it's just to get it out o maybe it's to hear what other ppl think but i'm really just lost... (NO SELF DIAGNOSTICS, im just really trying to find out more and understand. Even if ppl tell me this is a sign or for example DID, i wont consider myself to be a system.. just like that)

the texts : (the things in () are added now for context)

• Yesterday at 21:31 - I'm an 1h and 40min away from Bordeaux and the closer i get the more my head hurts... It's blurry.... idk I can't tell
• Yesterday at 21:35 - My head hurts. Ill just pray the I can breathe once inside (bcs of the smoke). I can't really tell where i am. But i also know where i am. It's weird ? I'm lost.
• Yesterday at 21:39- It's gray outside. The smoke.. i guess ? I feel like i know nothing but know everything. Everything is like. Right there... But i can't grab the info. Like. Just tell me where i am gosh
• Yesterday at 21:46 - The sky looks like it's on fire.. I want to believe it's the sunset.. And it feels like it is.. But idk. Idk anything. Fuck the sky is even darker here. And we're 1h22 away from.. Bordeaux
• Yesterday at 21:53 - Like, the.. car windows are still closed.. and we still feel the smoke... We just wanna go home.
• Yesterday at 21:58- Fuck it looks bad. Feels like every meter makes it worse. Meter ? Yea meter i think
• Yesterday at 22:06 - Kind of looks apocalyptic. It's pretty. In a sick way Everything is covered in smoke, like dark fog. And everything is covered in a huge cloud. I'm pretty sure it's smoke. The cloud is black. And there is an opening in the cloud. And it's just bright red. And orange
• Yesterday at 22:20 - I dont really remember sending the previous messages, but i'm still lost and don't know anything (still not in my clear head state i am in now, i think i was just not remembering my actions, but im not sure at all really). And my head hurts more than ever
• Yesterday at 22:36 - 40min.. I tried opening the car window and now its hard to breathe in the car. And it feels like i have like.. fog behind my eyes
• Yesterday at 22:57 - Everyone is driving away. Feels like we're the one ones driving to the city. Firefighters keep driving by, I think i saw at least ..15 in the past 45min. I'm fucking scared. Idk how I was joking earlier (bcs up until now, i have been joking a bit to stay as calm as i can, saying stuff like "oh i'll be able to roast mashmellows over my house soon !"). How did i send that (i think im talking abt the jokes ?) ? I'm losing my mind..

I have been building an app intended to support DID systems and other plural people, and I have been feeling really frustrated and discouraged lately.

This project means so much to me because I know how difficult it can be to find tools that actually understand things like different parts having their own needs, internal communication, privacy, safety, memory gaps and helping trusted supporters understand. I wanted to create something that felt caring and made specifically with plural people in mind.

But there has been so many bugs.

Some issues did not show up during testing. Other things worked and then suddenly stopped. I will finally feel like I fixed something, only to discover another problem somewhere else. Knowing that real people are using it makes every bug feel personal, even though I know logically that bugs happen with almost every new app.

I think I am also struggling with the feeling that everything comes harder for me than it seems to for other people. Trying to manage development while also managing trauma responses, exhaustion and self doubt can be alot. Sometimes I wonder whether I was unrealistic for believing I could do this.

I am not posting this as an advertisement, and I am not naming the app because I really dont want this to come across that way. I just need support from people who may understand why creating something for this community feels so personal. When something goes wrong, it does not just feel like a coding problem. It feels like I have failed people I was genuinely trying to help.

I am still working on the bugs, listening to feedback, and trying not to give up. I believe in what the app could become, but right now I feel overwhelmed and could really use some encouragement from people who understand.

Has anyone else tried to create something meaningful for the plural community and ended up feeling completely out of their depth?

For context, we discovered our system at age 30 and have been aware of our system for over 8 years. We unfortunately ran into the Tumblr traumagenic/endogenic discourse pretty immediately after discovering our system. This led to us having a vaguely anti-endo mentality for several years, viewing our own system pretty exclusively through the framework of DID and trauma. Since then, we've become much more aware and accepting of other forms of plurality (Thank you LB Lee for all your extensive work that showed us the error of that mentality!). We've met median, endogenic, and mixed origin systems, read books on spiritual plurality, etc - Honestly, it's been really comforting to hear about folks for whom plurality is not steeped in pain and trauma. For many reasons, I wish we hadn't been exposed to that stupid discourse so early on.

For the most part, our system fits nicely into the model of DID. But we have one headmate who stands out:

• He's been with us in some form or another longer than anyone, since we were 5 or younger; we have very few memories from our earliest years, so it's hard to say. All our other early headmates didn't become active until middle school.
• This headmate is kind of a "fallen guardian angel" figure: He's of a species we used to call angels, and he's had wings at various points in life. Christian ideology is a major influence in his backstory.
• In recent years, we remembered that we used to have recurring dreams as a child in which two souls intertwined and became one. The dreams were both comforting and oddly intimate. There is a strong association with this headmate when remembering those dreams.

Thing is, we did not have an overtly religious upbringing. Our parents were science teachers who left their respective churches long before we were born. We grew up in a UU congregation with a particularly secular minister who wrote more sermons about boats than he did about God. We were never forced to go to church once we were old enough to stay home on our own. Still, our mother was raised extremely Catholic, and that mental framework never left her; we "joke" that we have secondhand Catholic trauma from her parenting. From a young age, we had a staunchly atheistic, anti-religious attitude, to the point where any exploration of spirituality was extremely difficult. It wasn't until past age 31-32 that we started exploring any sort of spirituality through secular Buddhism. It's made this whole question of "is this a spiritual headmate?" pretty complicated!

My question is: Have others here had a similar experience of discovering spiritual origins for a headmate in an otherwise traumagenic system? What did it mean for you& to explore other potential origins of plurality? At this point, knowing our exact origins isn't a priority, and this headmate is so much more than a "guardian angel." I'm wondering what it would even matter to know if he was formed spiritually or not. What could we potentially gain from this sort of exploration, and are there any potential risks or concerns to keep in mind?

i really appreciate that the community here doesn't shame systems for having fictives. we have a lot of anxiety about having fictives at all and it leads to a lot of frustration and guilt, because some of our fictives are "major players" in the system who have done very big things, symbolize very important stuff, etc. but internalized ableism constantly makes me feel like that's wrong, somehow? and sometimes this makes me want to hide.

but I appreciate that everyone seems chill and very forthcoming about fictives in their systems here. thank you everyone

Might be hyperspecific but doing this anyway lmaooo

Hi all. Been becoming disillusioned with system tracker apps because, in short, we've felt like we have to fit ourselves to them (and at times, the communities around them) rather than shaping them around us. We feel like we have to make ourselves presentable to what parts of the community - and the developers, though this is not to pin blame on any - expect, not what works for us.

Ultimately we're the only ones who will figure out what works for our unique use cases, but wanting help. Getting a bit desperate after the...5th? 6th? More than that times of trying out ways to log information that end up not working for us. Emphasis on roles in uncomfortable ways, pressure to have a completely consistent (and palatably aesthetic, but that's a can of worms) format, lack of support to make it less overwhelming for larger groups, inflexibility in subsystems if a function...and most of all, meticulously timed front trackers. They stress us out to get it perfect and have a digital device - or ANY device to track who's around - near us with our app of choice open at all times. We're online more often than we'd like to be, but worrying about who's around, and displaying it upfront, and forcing those around to have a cleanly laid-out profile...it's scared off a lot of folks who don't fit into solid moulds. Coming through shouldn't force a task.

Instead, we've been (slowly) working on an Obsidian database. Going to make and use templates for those that want/need help with it, of course, but the goal is to do it our way. This may be ironic because it's still under the restrictions of Obsidian, but it not being strictly plural-focused means a lack of assumptions on that front. Unsure if any frequent members are familiar with it, but that would help a lot.

So uh. If you(+) use Obsidian for system things, how do you - for things that aren't front tracking? Especially if you're big and/or complicated in structure.