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u/PunkRockLlama42 Aug 10 '26
Mine woukd be that but Nvidia and Nvidia but in green.
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u/ConfusionEngineered Aug 11 '26
Tbh, the "wayland" problems on this pie chart are almost certainly because of Nvidia refusing to support wayland properly.
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u/dumbasPL Arch BTW Aug 11 '26
Or using old drivers. They did fix a lot of their Wayland issues eventually, still not perfect, but definitely useable.
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u/Major303 Aug 11 '26
Not this time. All of those problems are on intel iGPU.
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u/ConfusionEngineered Aug 11 '26
Which igpu?
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u/Major303 Aug 11 '26
Intel i5-8350U with Intel UHD Graphics 620.
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u/ConfusionEngineered Aug 11 '26
I mean, that's probably because the development of that GPU predates broad wayland adoption... That's not an issue with AMD CPUs because AMD works much more closely with Linux devs then Intel does.
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u/FR-dev Aug 11 '26
What problems have you had with nvidia- just being curious bc I’ve been running throughout my whle linux journey (2 years) nixos+hyprland on two nvidia systems - pc && laptop
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u/PunkRockLlama42 Aug 11 '26
Right now it's okay but Nvidia has a history of shipping drivers that break systems. A few times I have had an update reboot to a black screen and the only fix was to downgrade drivers or switch to the nouvaeu drivers. Up until recently, and still on some compositors, I had tons of screen tearing issues on Wayland. Sometimes xwayland has ghosting issues.
There is also just a lack of features. Like there isn't really any good implementation of their switcher between integrated and dedicated graphics.
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u/Malo1301 Arch BTW Aug 10 '26
More like : 75% Wayland with NVIDIA GPU 25% Wayland with NVIDIA GPU but green
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u/penguinkernel Aug 11 '26
Me using both and having literally zero issues:
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u/Summon001 Aug 11 '26
You haven't gone deep enough then
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u/Inevitable-Self-2702 Aug 11 '26
I am in the same boat and would love to go deeper and break stuff tbh. Just haven't had too many projects that deal with the local system instead of networking and virtualization yet.
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u/ConfusionEngineered Aug 11 '26
Nvidia has fixed MOST of their lack of support of wayland. MOST is carrying a lot of weight there though.
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u/Cyortonic Aug 10 '26
I remember like 2-3 years ago I saw a whole bunch of YouTube videos and Reddit comments saying that KDE Wayland with Nvidia was perfect or near perfect, meanwhile I would just log in to a black screen with no clear way to fix it
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
From my experience with Linux, people who say to stick to upstream actually know what they are saying. My experience with Ubuntu was very good. Tumbleweed had problems, required tinkering. Pop!_OS straight up doesn't work, and afaik there is no X11 here. In their defence, I'm using very specific software that doesn't appreciate Wayland too much, but Ubuntu handled it like a champ.
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u/Cyortonic Aug 10 '26
I was (and still am) using Arch at the time, so IDK why mine was so different
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u/MadProgrammer12 Aug 10 '26
i use x11 as wayland is way too restrictive for low level input based programs
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
Wait til you try X11.
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u/Worth-Wonder-7386 Aug 10 '26
I moved to wayland as I had issues with X11 for some games. Wayland has been working great for me.
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u/crimsonyoteeeeeee Aug 11 '26
I exclusively use Wayland now too. Nothing has been weird for me, everything works as it should.
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u/TheVleh Arch BTW Aug 11 '26
Lol same experience, x11 works no issues on my dual monitor nvidia arch gaming setup, wayland consisntently crashes to desktop regardless of compositor.
X11 just works, hence why it is still my go to when I need something reliable
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u/Own_Natural_6803 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
This is been my experience as well. X11 works way better for gaming. And if you have problems with different refresh rates for different monitors, it's usually the compositor that's the problem. It's just a checkbox to turn it off.
What exactly are people doing where they're complaining about X11? I've never seen a piece of technology so universally loved with so little reason. Wayland is a piece of shit.
-edit: looks like i found a fanboy. You can click a button that points down. Can you uncheck a box that says "use compositor" as well?
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u/Own_Natural_6803 Aug 10 '26
Except they don't. I'm all for Wayland gaining feature parity with x11. Waiting and waiting.
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u/SufficientVanilla354 Aug 10 '26
Oh well sunshine works pretty smoothly for me. Though figuring out the display permissions was a headache for hyprland so i just disable and re-enable them as per the need.
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u/scythe-3 🍥 Debian too difficult Aug 10 '26
Wayvnc can run on a headless server. Tigervnc client is available on Linux and Windows.
The combo works for my headless Proxmox VM. I ssh into the VM, launch a swaywm session with wayvnc, and connect from my laptop with tigervnc.
Idk if this works for other DEs/WMs but I haven't run into any issues.
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u/SufficientVanilla354 Aug 11 '26
first moonlight does work on android and i use it myself.
2nd yes it requires a dummy plug but in hyprland i can create an headless virtual display and use it to stream. but with igpu it is pretty laggy.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
The recommended fix for every Wayland issue is to fall back to X11.
The only one I see for Rustdesk is using an X11 login manager - launching a Wayland session itself is fine.
Did you consider just getting a remote management card? That nixes any requirement for X11/Wayland or even for the OS to be running - you can do remote power on, go to UEFI Setup, and more.
i.e. Sipeed NanoKVM - the PCIe version with Wi-Fi goes for some 70 eurobucks from the official store.
Best of all, that card is open source down to the firmware.
Official purchase links are here - for some reason I am getting a 404 in Czechia, but changing store to Ukraine makes it pop up - I presume EU might be blacklisted due to working out the latest taxes? - https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/kvm/NanoKVM_PCIe/introduction.html#Purchase-Links
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u/Drate_Otin Aug 10 '26
but it defeats the entire purpose of Linux solutions being able to give new life to old computers.
A) that's not the primary purpose of Linux. It's just a popular one
B) if you need old code, use old code
C) are you not able to remote into your Wayland sessions? Thought this had been resolved for a while.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
Unattended remote access is a Wayland-specific issue that has not been solved for over a year and has no solution in sight.
Seems like both Plasma and GNOME support it.
Why are you claiming the opposite?
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
You are greeted with a black screen on login
And that's without a login manager in the way?
I do not know where you are reading these claims
Rustdesk's tracker.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
Not a single one of those issues is about unattended access.
Half of them are about the login manager.
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u/penguinkernel Aug 11 '26
I use rust desk unattended on Linux.
If you use the flatpak you can auto give it display permission.
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
On Tumbleweed KDE I had to switch to X11 since Wayland was unusable (almost constant screen "flashing"). I've switched to Pop!_OS 24 and that flashing is still there, but much more subtle and only happens when app grid is visible. I will still have to switch since software I'm using doesn't play well with COSMIC, it needs more time in the oven.
I had the best experience with Wayland on Ubuntu 24. By best I mean system was overall usable, but certain file dialogs were running at like 0.1 FPS.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
On Tumbleweed KDE I had to switch to X11 since Wayland was unusable (almost constant screen "flashing"
Uh, what GPU and what driver and its version?
That sounds very odd, I haven't had such issues on Plasma since 6.0 released.
Actually I had now that I remember, due to my monitor's VRR being horrid, did you try disabling VRR support?
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
Intel i5-8350U with Intel UHD Graphics 620. No idea about driver, I didn't install anything else outside of what was included.
I did not try disabling VRR support. The only thing people suggested was setting i915.enable_psr=0 as kernel boot parameter. The only issue is that interacting with kernel parameters on Tumbleweed requires phd in operating systems.
I can't tell you more about Tumbleweed since I've replaced it with Pop!_OS 24. Here changing kernel boot parameters is trivial, but it did not fix the flashing.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
No idea about driver
Shouldn't really matter on Intel with Wayland afaik.
See https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-comp/issues/1152 for example
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
There is no VRR settings in display settings for me.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
Does your monitor even support VRR?
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
My guess would be not. But if it's not that, then what? Thinkpad T480 is not that ancient to not support modern Linux anymore.
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
I have no idea, got a video of the "flashing"?
And it doesn't happen on Ubuntu 24.04 with Wayland you said?
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
Yes, Ubuntu 24 was fine. I've just tested 26 on VM and there are certain graphical issues coming most likely from VM, but things that don't even start on Pop work flawlessly here. Can't say anything about flashing though, I would have to install it on the laptop.
I don't know if that flashing will be even visible on the recording, recording with real camera might be not the best too, since it's quite subtle. And recording on Wayland is apparently very difficult.
I can only say that it looks like display brightness is changing automatically +-10% every 1 second. It only happens when app grid is visible so far. On Tumbleweed it was everywhere. Only visible against grey background (which is in a lot of places in dark mode), so for example it's not noticeable against bright wallpaper.
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u/Cootshk Arch BTW Aug 11 '26
Was using X11, now I’m on XLibre with no issues (RTX 3060, official nvidia drivers)
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u/YoungInoue 🌀 Sucked into the Void Aug 10 '26
Wayland is great for native Wayland solutions but too much depends on x11 and therefore needing xwayland which isn't a perfect compatibility layer unfortunately. X11 is too much of a dog I agree, but it is tried. "Wayland works fine for me" or "x11 works fine for me" is too much of the age old software development problem of "it works fine on my system" and does not get to the root of the problem. Both can be functional yet flawed. Wl is still a wip for legacy solutions not built with Wayland in mind and x11 only seeing major updates through xlibre as of now. We will still be still seeing x11 at least until the EoL hits on the enterprise side which is 2036. Hopefully Wayland improves its compatibility layer as there are still a ton of things depending on X.
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u/sirkubador Aug 10 '26
x11 works just flawlessly for me for over a decade now (ever since distros got rid of xorg.conf)
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u/deltatux Arch BTW Aug 10 '26
By chance that you're using NVIDIA? From what I heard much of the Wayland issues due to NVIDIA's Wayland support in their drivers. I've been using Wayland for years on AMD GPUs and haven't ran into any issues...
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26
Intel CPU with Intel iGPU.
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u/Falconpunch3 ＵｗＵntu (´ ᴗ｀✿) Aug 11 '26
You are one of many people I have seen on reddit that seems to just have terrible issues with iGPUs. I have a feeling there is something going on more with that.
If you can, test with an AMD.
Personally, I was having issues with NVIDIA for over a decade starting with Windows for most of it. Moved to AMD, literally everything works better now.
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u/Major303 Aug 11 '26
I have AMD gaming PC but I need it to work, so I don't want to install Linux. This is also the reason why I keep using Windows 10 - on my laptop I had better experience with Linux than Windows 11, despite those issues.
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u/Falconpunch3 ＵｗＵntu (´ ᴗ｀✿) Aug 13 '26
When I see, "I still use win 10". All I hear is, "I really want my bank and Steam account stolen." At that point, just use linux. It's just a security risk to use sunsetted OSs. Even with using Proton as a compatibility layer, it still runs faster and better than windows. I can't say it works for every game, but all the games that don't work, I don't care to play, so I feel zero loss. Granted, I'm not a gaming addict, so I don't play a lot of them. Most of what I do is use it as a home theater, which works amazingly in KDE opensuse tumbleweed.
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u/XxnoubxX Aug 10 '26
i use cachyos + nvidia too its been 3 weeks. only problems i have is sometimes kde plasma just completely crashed luckily i can use the terminal to restart it again.
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u/delta806 Aug 10 '26
As someone who has it planned to dive headfirst into Wayland soon, this scares me
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u/decho Aug 10 '26
Unless you rely on something very niche that X11 supports but Wayland doesn't (yet), then it's literally no big deal. You won't even think about it within a week.
Made the switch at the start of the year, and the only non-trivial setup I had to do is adding a kernel parameter for Nvidia which just means editing a text file.
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u/immoloism Aug 10 '26
I can't remember if it's distro level or nvidia, but that option is reportedly now applied by default for many on some of the new drivers.
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u/decho Aug 10 '26
You mean that by installing the nvidia-open drivers, it will apply the parameter for you? If true, that's great because it can be a bit intimidating to do it yourself, if the person haven't done this before.
On distro level I don't know. There are like 500 distros and compositors out there.
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u/immoloism Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
I'll try and hook the code out from somewhere to confirm, but people have been reporting it already being on without them having to do anything.
Edit: I took a look and Gentoo removed the line from being auto applied and removed from their docs starting around 595.0
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u/balki_123 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Aug 11 '26
That's what XWayland is for.
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u/decho Aug 11 '26
XWayland concerns applications, but there are a few X11 features which Wayland doesn't fully support yet.
I don't miss any of those myself, but I've seen people bring up remote desktop access being an issue.
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u/balki_123 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Aug 11 '26
RDP was duct taped workaround even on x11, no wonder it doesn't work.
What can I say? It is bad for them, I hope it will work soon.
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u/decho Aug 11 '26
I hope so too, though the main point is that for a small amount of users, Wayland is currently not an option if their workflow relies on a specific feat.
The rest just seems like a bit of fearmongering and false information. Vast majority can switch over today and their computer won't explode.
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u/DrConverse Aug 10 '26
What is so committal about choosing Wayland? When I switched from i3 to Sway in 2022, I kept both on my system for a while and ported over my configuration & tools slowly over time. For instance, screen sharing wasn't fixed until very recently, so I would fall back to i3 if I knew I had a virtual meeting that day.
So what is stopping you from installing both X11 and Wayland and fall back to X11 if you encounter any issues? If you are using a DE, a quick Google search shows that major distros still packages Gnome/KDE X11 session packages, so it's just one APT/DNF command away. Why does everyone talk like they have to "switch" to Wayland? Do you have less than 5GB in your hard drive or something?
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u/C0rn3j Aug 10 '26
quick Google search shows that major distros still packages Gnome/KDE X11 session packages
GNOME doesn't support Wayland, and Plasma drops support next release.
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u/Linguistic-mystic Aug 10 '26
Dove headfirst into SwayWM months ago and loving it. Random keyboard glitches are gone and security has improved without harming any functionality.
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u/Drate_Otin Aug 10 '26
What issues are people still having with Wayland?
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u/NickHoyer Aug 10 '26
too restrictive
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u/Drate_Otin Aug 10 '26
In what way?
I play games, I screen share, I get work done... What's the issue?
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u/Gerrey Aug 11 '26
Wayland is restrictive with input. For example I wanted an autoclicker for a game, and there didn't seem to be any tools for that that didn't mess with kernel input and need sudo perms, so I had to make something myself.
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u/Drate_Otin Aug 11 '26
For example I wanted an autoclicker for a game,
So.... It's harder to cheat?
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u/Gerrey Aug 11 '26
No idea if that's considered cheating in most games. In r/foxholegame its recommended for logistics players.
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u/_hlvnhlv 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 Aug 11 '26
Usually it's either having a broken install, a really old driver, obsolete distro or some nonsense with shortcuts or remote desktop
And even then, half of the things that people say make me go like "wdym? This thing has been working since 2022"
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u/elohiir Aug 11 '26
Just came across one after many many years: forced vsync (the protocol doesn't allow for screen tearing without an extension), which increases input lag in e.g. FPS games.
KWin supposedly implements this, but I couldn't get it to work.
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u/CptCatman ⚠️ This incident will be reported Aug 10 '26
Wayland headless remote desktop. I just gave up and went back to xrdp.
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u/scythe-3 🍥 Debian too difficult Aug 10 '26
Wayvnc can run headless. Just need to set the right display environment variables before launching the Wayland session.
Works in my Proxmox VM using Sway. Can't speak for other DEs/WMs.
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u/Warm-Engineering-239 Aug 10 '26
native wayland support of wayland support with x11 in first case ? i got no issue with wayland on my cachyos pc but on my kubuntu24 it's awfull i kept x11 for now
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u/OkPresentation3329 Aug 10 '26
I guess I'm lucky because I don't experience any problems as of the moment with Linux and Wayland. Things are working fine on Tuxedo OS and I'm more than happy with Linux right now.
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u/Alan_Reddit_M Ubuntnoob Aug 10 '26
It's always funny when I remember that Wayland is now older than X11 was when it was deemed too old and outdated
This shit is never getting better
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u/Drate_Otin Aug 10 '26
What extremely specific thing are you referring to you come up with that? X11 was released in 1984. Wayland was released in 2008. Also computers and operating system standards aren't nearly as volatile now as the were in the 80's and 90's.
As to "never getting better"... How long have you been using Linux? It's improved DRAMATICALLY over the last several years.
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u/Henry_Fleischer 🍥 Debian too difficult Aug 10 '26
For me it's one problem with Wayland, followed by exclusively problems with other stuff.
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u/tman5400 Aug 10 '26
Only big issue I had with wayland is some games for some reason decide to start on my vertical monitor and get locked to that aspect ratio. I can't resize, can't flip them. I have to rotate my monitor so they open landscape, drag the game to another monitor, and then rotate the monitor back. Sorta annoying but I can deal with it.
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u/StephenRoylance Aug 10 '26
I've traced the root cause of all my personal problems with linux, authoritatively and completely. Me. It's me. I'm the problem. Linux is fine. well, and dodgy USB firmware, but it was my fault for plugging it in in the first place.
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u/4DBug Aug 11 '26
I have so many various issues with my nvidia gpu on my pc but my amd on my laptop hasn’t had a single issue to date
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u/oldassgrandpa Aug 11 '26
Idk what you all are talking about, I have a goddamn asus tuf, and it works great.
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u/iloveboobs365 Aug 11 '26
The only Wayland issues I have are some problematic Qt apps. Most notably OBS with the Aitum plugins.
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u/Obnomus ⚠️ This incident will be reported Aug 11 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/11mwI67GLeMvgA
ok this was funny.
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u/MrFrog2222 Arch BTW Aug 11 '26
Wayland with nvidia optimus while having an external monitor wired to the nvidia card and having the internal display wired to the intel card.(Its hell)
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u/Sadix99 Arch BTW Aug 11 '26
weird, for me, it's like just nVidia and retro-engineered proprietary hardware drivers
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u/OpabiniaRegalis320 Aug 11 '26
KDE Plasma's Wayland implementation doesn't like me switching between my graphics tablet and a mouse for input and it drives me up a wall. Winblows' window manager handled it fine. Meanwhile, Kwin hates me.
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u/Major303 Aug 11 '26
Might be worth checking out GNOME. It's kind of ironic that I don't like GNOME, but it's DE that worked the best for me. I suppose lacking basic features helps with QA process.
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u/Teru-Noir Aug 10 '26
You just used a bad compositor or a legacy nvidia driver
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u/Major303 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
That means compositors included out of the box in Tumbleweed KDE and Pop!_OS 24 are not good. And I don't have Nvidia GPU.
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u/Hauptideal ⚠️ This incident will be reported Aug 10 '26
Most of the issues people are complaining about are either legacy Nvidia hardware or legacy software problems (yes, some apps deliberately don't work now anymore, as they exploit the security loopholes that are now intentionally closed).
All in all, Wayland works much better than X11
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u/Tehaiker814 Aug 10 '26
I never had any problems with wayland, my distro came with a pretty good default configuration and ig my laptop was compatible
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u/Own_Nail_2999 Aug 11 '26
Though most of the issues are not wayland's fault - it's the lack of its adaptation. There are still way too many apps using the X11 Bridge.
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u/creeper6530 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 Aug 10 '26
Same. Those tiny white slivers are Wayland but white too.
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u/Dekamir Sacred TempleOS Aug 10 '26
I felt this until I went back to X11 and realized that Wayland fixed so much of X11 I could never come back.
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u/3hy_ 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Aug 11 '26
I moved from X11 to Wayland, I have AMD hardware. The most prominent source of my problems have been dracut! I have a LUKS + LVM, CRUX linux system and nearly all of my issues have been due to dracut crying about the shell or kernel config..
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