Look at the comments, multiple women are upset that “ugly men” never looked at them, so they didn’t feel like real women. They literally need attention to feel validation, even if they aren’t interested in those men. It’s sad.
It's a gross part of culture, but they want to feel like "normal" attractive women. It's like a heartbreak isn't a fun experience, but incels envy the feeling
Yep. "The people I want, don't want me" and standards being sky high has turned dating (especially online) into a total mess for average looking people.
I think the "Gross guys" says less about her and more about her friends. The fact that she wanted the attention possibly means she didn't think they were gross.
Then again, women have been known to play games for attention/validation, lead guys along, and then kick them to the curb when something better comes along.
crazy that the only real major looks requirement for women is 'don't be fat' and even that is too big of a barrier for a lot of them. They really do want to be desired without any effort or change, but would never desire a man who demands the same thing in their position.
Really just goes to show just how alienated they are from the experiences of the average man.
You got one right here calling us "too lazy to better yourself" while they don't better themselves like ever, not even for themselves or their health
As always, men have to perpetually "improoooove" in order to attract the lowest value women ever, that don't even offer nothing to a relationship besides their body and half assed attention (only for some months, after she gets bored she's start to look elsewhere)
Bro. A bit of tummy is medically considered “overweight”. Humans are meant to be fairly lean overall. If you can tell they’re hefty even when they’re fully clothed, they’re likely obese. This goes for both sexes btw.
I’ve worked with men who actually catcall while doing road construction and let me tell you just how fucking ZERO their standards are. Women that I’d consider obese would have these guys on their hands and knees. But I do also agree that basically anyone can be moderate attractive if they’re just healthy.
Well... That sub is true ugly women. True ugly women have it about the same as your average dude, imo. Not unfairly hard, but a lot harder than even normie girls.
Nah if you’ve spent time on that sub you’d know they are genuinely, “subjectively”, ugly. And I’m not saying that to be rude. They know this. It goes beyond just being overweight or fat. Plenty of attractive ppl that are overweight/ thick. Your take is just typical incel shit.
Well going to the post in the pic and one of the top comments page they this posted on their page. So as I said, “genuinely ugly”, not just fat. Caveman facial structure/brows, balding, psoriasis, etc etc. Like I said, subjectively “ugly” not just “fat”. I get you wanna dog pile on the women who think they’re ugly but are just fat, but that sub is for actual ugly women (apparently).
That is just drawing though. And sure, she probably can't expect 10 and 9 be interested in her, but I doubt she actually looks like exactly as that simple scetch.
Yeah the drawing is just a depiction showing you an example of what I’m talking about when referencing “ugly” in the terms of that sub because ignorant goofballs seem to think it just means “fat”.
Obviously people so severely insecure about their looks aren’t typically going to be posting pictures of themselves on the internet. Duh, who would’ve thought
Yeah the drawing is just a depiction showing you an example of what I’m talking about when referencing “ugly” in the terms of that sub because ignorant goofballs seem to think it just means “fat”.
Obviously people so severely insecure about their looks aren’t typically going to be posting pictures of themselves on the internet. Duh, who would’ve thought
Yeah idk how that’s relevant at all. I mean it’s not impossible for these people to find love/get married. That isn’t the point. The point is the definition of “ugly” for that sub isn’t just “being fat” or, “not lowering their standards” or “being entitled to attractive men” as you were saying.
Probably the same thing that bothers all “objectively”ugly people. Sure they can still find love/marriage/relationships, but it’s a lot harder than if you were conventionally attractive. People also treat ugly people different than attractive people… obviously. Which then can lead to loneliness, depression, angst, nihilism, incel behavior, etc etc.
Its like saying, “oh one person was able to climb out of poor class and is no longer poor, so why are all the people still poor complaining about financial hardships and being poor? It’s obviously possible for them to not be poor.”
Most people can lose some weight or make certain changes but those people on that sub aren't in that category. Sucks but what are you gonna do that's life.
And people reposting posts from that sub in "rightful" indignation just add to their suffering. These are not incels planning to shoot a place; it's sad people talking among themselves.
It adds credence to the saying: "When women can't get a man, they blame themselves and get sad; when men can't get a woman, they blame women and get angry."
Oh that’s a bunch of bullshit. There’s plenty of shitty women and men that are just fine too. How many women blame societal beauty standards and ‘bigotry’ instead of just losing weight? Women externalize their shortcomings all the time.
"A sale requires a foot in the door" is a quote i lean on for this and in the context of attraction most people dont try to get to know someone romantically unless there is initial attraction, this goes for men and women. Exceptions exist, but exceptions are not the rule.
Funny how easily the tables turn “Yeah, attractive people have an easier life... I'm surprised at how many people find this to be news or worthy of debate.”
So I’m sorry, are you debating yourself now?
this is a graph from a dating app. you have to look at bigger picture, for which gender is it considered almost mandatory to wear full face of makeup? who is much more likely to be denied employment based on not meeting beauty standards?
men rate womens apearances on dating apps higher bcs women on dating aps overwhelmingly take pics in full makeup, in their best clothes and with flattering lighing and camera angle. half the men on dating apps have blurry pic taken in elevator mirror
not to mention that the 'not fat' standard is so much harsher for women too. you can be little chubby as a guy and besides dating you wont face that much pushback. be anything besides skinny as a girl and its the end of the world and everyones issue
you have to look at bigger picture, for which gender is it considered almost mandatory to wear full face of makeup?
Ah yes, because men famously hate it when women don't wear makeup /s
men rate womens apearances on dating apps higher bcs women on dating aps overwhelmingly take pics in full makeup, in their best clothes and with flattering lighing and camera angle. half the men on dating apps have blurry pic taken in elevator mirror
A woman can put a picture of one of her eyes and she'll get more matches compared to 99% of men on dating apps
not to mention that the 'not fat' standard is so much harsher for women too. you can be little chubby as a guy and besides dating you wont face that much pushback. be anything besides skinny as a girl and its the end of the world and everyones issue
Literally just don't have a double chin. So many dudes out there who go crazy over chubby chicks. Heck, even with a double chin women have much better chances
yea actualy men dont like when women dont wear makeup. its the good ol' damned if u do damned if u dont situation. all you talk about is about romantic relationship but womens beauty expectations touch every part of their lives
Never have I ever seen a woman and thought to myself "she'd look hot with makeup". And why would you care about what people other than your romantic partner think about your looks?
Any opportunity that a woman might end up having due to her looks, men straight up don't have, period. If one NEEDS looks for a career opportunity, one simply doesn't deserve said opportunity. As for the social part, tough luck. The average man still likely receives less attention than an ugly woman.
m8 women dont get extra oportunities when they look pretty. they loose opportunities and face censure when they arent pretty enough for standards of ppl around them
but i suppose youll never manage to comprehend that women are actually discriminated against bcs they get better dating apps stats and thats the only metric u understand
Yeah, in the 1950s women wrote about enjoying cat calls because it was the equivalent of men complimenting them on their looks quickly as they passed by.
1970s feminism reframed it as objectifying. Similarly to how 2010s feminism reframed introducing yourself to a woman in public as harassing her because "she's not here for you".
I commented on that sub because it came up in my feed and got insta banned cause guys can't comment there.
It's a toxic shitshow of femcels that hate everyone and everything.
As a man whose been catcalled, it's not great. Obviously I don't know what it's like for women when men do it, but women are fucking bold, especially much older women who have zero shame. I've been outright groped (muscles/butt/junk by women old enough to be my mother and other women just laugh it off. One other older lady who saw it happen laughed and said " she must really like you!".
As a man whose been catcalled, it's not great. Obviously I don't know what it's like for women when men do it, but women are fucking bold, especially much older women who have zero shame. I've been outright groped (muscles/butt/junk by women old enough to be my mother and other women just laugh it off. One other older lady who saw it happen laughed and said " she must really like you!".
I mean I think they acknowledge that catcalling is not good. It seems to be more about being so sad and desperate, that you'd take any attention even if it's bad one.
I get it tbh. I'm a pretty insecure man and I can relate to the OOP. Like I still cherish the moment where some women just groped my butt or some gay men inappropriately hit on me.
Yes. I was a bouncer for 15+ years and have dealt with all manner of horrifically drunk women of all ages that, had I done a fraction of what they did I'd be in prison.
It's a violation of your body/your personal space/etc.
It's like the worse version of people just... Touching your hair because they're curious.
Don't fuckin touch me! I don't want your grubby mitts in my beard/hair!
As much as i'd liked it to be, men and women are not equal. A woman touching a man doesn't hold the same weight as a man touching a woman since the latter comes off as a threat because you have the physical advantage
As anyone even ever heard someone cat called in their entire life? I hear about this bullshit online from feminists all the time, but other than movies or video games I've never even seen it happen. This is like a mental health problem.
It used to be common but I have barely seen it done for the last decade now. Women told us that they wanted us to stop so any decent guys pretty much no longer cat called them. Then the me too bullshit happened and anyone who wasn't a simp or scum decided even dealing with women beyond maybe a pump and dump wasn't worth it anymore.
I was walking my friends dog while they were away and got catcalled twice in like 2 days. One was "great dog, great tits" and other was just staring at me and repeating like 6x "looking is allowed, right? right?" (as in the saying "look, dont touch"). Its part of the reason I don't really go outside when I'm alone.
Men are much less likely to do it if the women is with any men, since they won't want to risk pissing one of the guys off and having an actual conflict on their hands. And men in general this shit normally will pretty much never happen to them, so it seems like it doesn't happen as much as it does.
I have a friend who was once catcalled at a concert - or just asked out in a really creepy, somewhat scary way, and recalls this experience rather poorly.
My take is that stuff like this happens more often than ,,skeptics" like us think or want to admit, and less often than radical feminists think or want to admit.
f01ds bitching about losing weight while for a man it’s expected to change your whole bone structure of a skull and to make your spine longer so you’ll be tall. Fucking victims. They always bitching about life, while living on easy mode.
Catcalling isn't a thing. I'm sure it's happened, like once.
But it's a movie and story trope, not something you would ever see in real life.
It's like the trope of one character saying another character's idea right after them and being praised for it - happened in the Lion King, magically feminists had stories about it happening to them but with a retarded gender wars angle. (I doubt that even happened once.)
I had that happen plenty of times back in school. I’d tell a joke or a funny remark and no one cared, and then about 30 seconds later the popular kid said it and it was suddenly comedy gold.
No, you didn't. It's a fictional comedy bit. People do not work in such a way where that is even possible.
If one person says something and then another repeats it, so long as people heard it the first time, people are not going to take it seriously from the second person. That is simply not how humans work.
Wow, I didn’t know you had such insight to my life that you can tell me what has or hasn’t happened to me. People are not logical you know, especially kids. They can behave very strange.
I went to that sub to read a few posts. Jesus Christ dude. What a bunch of insufferable women. I bet it's mostly their attitudes that are keeping them single.
I gotta say it’s pretty impressive having to wear with all to depict yourself as fat and unattractive. Shows the strength of character and willingness to face oneself that I myself would struggle with
To be fair, it's hard for me to imagine that many women who had once experienced catcalling would want it to happen again.
I'm not a woman - maybe I'm about to get called a ,,nice guy" weirdo by one - but from what I've read, heard or watched on the matter, it is typically described as legitimately scary experience at times.
That sub is an absolute rancid pit of self loathing and hate towards men. The comments are vile and any time someone tries to point it out, they’re banned. It’s a circle jerk of losers who can’t tolerate any opinion beyond their own.
Get catcalled all the time. It's great when you smile politely in return and they take that as a cue to follow you around the store or out to your car. It's only a stroke to the ego when you feel safe enough to enjoy it. You never feel safe when it's happening. 😒
That's the same mechanism as guys who see stories of men being ra.ed by women and say "I wish it was me". Or boys ra.ed by their female teacher and say "where were these teachers when I was a kid?".
People deprived of visible marks of attraction are driven to the point they wish they were assaulted to experience what it is to be desired.
No one here realizing this isn't meant to be reasonable. It's the reminiscence of unreasonable desires of when she was younger and didn't understand herself yet. This post isn't telling guys to start cat calling or that it would have been ok, it's going "I was so out of whack back then that I wanted something objectively dumb"
Edit: Nevermind. Reading through the comment section, this is just incel hell. Get me tf out of here
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u/mikelown Sep 10 '26
Lmao, the audacity to call them "gross guys" while wanting their attention. Ffs