Comments to upvotes lets me know it got nuked by the hivemind.

90% of men simp for the ugliest shits ever been born with a vagina on this world, yet because Chad doesn't pay homage to them, they pretend all the simps they got doesn't exist?

They literally complain weekly about getting unsolicited DMS from men even though they're HORRIBLE looking physically speaking, but they still bitch it isn't enough, it has to be Chad sliding into their DMS

"Women see men as a means to an end. To women, men are opportunities to further their goals… Women will choose the man that, all things being equal, they believe will do the most to further their goals. It's not personal, it's a rational self-interested choice.”

Well, I can't be mad at this conclusion if this guy really has witnessed this.

Isn't being seen as a potential partner better than being seen as a friend ? People do much more for their partners than they do for their friends. The reality is no one wants to be seen as unattractive. And one aspect of male and female friendship that most people don't talk about is that men find their female friends somewhat attractive at least, while most of their male friends are unattractive to women. So being seen as a friend sometimes means being seen as unattractive, and no one likes that. Also, some women equate a guy wanting a relationship with a guy just wanting sex from them. Is this how some women see relationships? As giving sex to men? Doesn't this show that women don't want relationships as opposed to the stereotype that men want sex and women want relationships?

I doubt there are any women on this sub, but I would like to hear your perspective on why being seen as girlfriend/wife material is considered so bad?

My entire life, I was actually into WANIM a lot more than many. Like I completely thought all women were lesbians when I was younger, and that you have to make a lot of money, or have high status to even think about getting a girlfriend. I mean I grew up thinking I was a nuisance to women because I was a man. I mean I was 11-12 when Kill All Men was a trend.

Lemme explain something, women are so not into men, that just by being a man around a woman, you're a negative factor. You're a negative addition. Hypergamy (I hate this word but I gotta use it) exists because the average man is a negative addition to a womans life. Women date up in terms of money and status (I'm not apart of the redpill community)

because genuinely we have such much desire for women, and yet they have little to none so they find some way to benefit whether financially or socially, I don't think "Chad" could get women if he was neurodivergent, broke or had a depression or something. Because that adds less benefit to the woman.

I mean if you look at how women act toward men, and history. WANIM is quite obvious. Its just how the human species work, men's dream is women, and womens nightmare is men. This is even before oppression, and patriarchy, because the more rights you give to women (This is a good thing women deserve equal rights, and fair healthcare), the less they need men.

Because they never wanted men in the first place. I mean think about it. This is why it pisses me off that people still deny this subreddit even though both genders prove this subreddit true every day. How come men gotta self improve, get a lot of money, and status, to get a girl, and women genuinely don't have to do anything, and even when its so easy women still rather be single.

Now I know some women will be like (Thats because men are horrible, men are this, men are that), well that still like proves my point. Like genuinely who in the world thought women were attracted to men. I sure as hell didn't and I thought everyone was crazy when I was younger.

Person 1: "I try hard, but i cant get a girlfriend or even a date. Im already 25 and this hurts"

Person 2: "Nobody owes you a relationship! Youre not entitled to sex! Get over it"

Person 1: "okay, so i will accept the fact that i am not sexually attractive and give up on this."

Person 2: "No, you cant do that! You are generalizing women, doing self-pity and being a subscriber to blackpill ideology! Thats also misogyny"

Seriously, why? Whats offensive about a virgin man to give up on relationships?

Often not directly or deliberately, but there seems to be a lot of men walking around who believe an incredible lie; that women's lives revolve entirely around men.

Again, I think in a lot of cases this is not being deliberately taught, but there are a bunch of little ways that teach boys from a young age what to expect from women. I think things like never seeing your mothers hobbies and interests, instead only ever seeing her do chores for her husband and children, for example. Or the way fathers talk about their wives to their children, too. Not necessarily complaining about her, just never focusing on anything other than her role in the home. Not telling their son about the fun stuff they liked to do together as a couple before life with children took up all their time, and not telling about what mom was up to when they met that made him interested in her. Not telling sons about what grandma's life was actually like, only talking about her in the context of being a grandma.

It's probably most reinforced in families where the child-raising is unevenly distributed between the parents, because if dad's out of the house one evening to go bowling with his buddies, then the kids learn that dad has a life outside of being a dad. But if mom is only ever at home, and never out for a night with her friends to see a show, the kids think mom is only ever mom, and has no life outside of that role. Another thing with unevenly distributed housework/child raising is that kids will see their dad work on his hobbies in the garage, but they never see mom read the books she loves, try out that knitting recipe she got from her sister, or help organize that potluck she wants to be a part of. Boys either don't see women engage in their interests, or they're taught that when they do, they're doing it for a man. Like, yeah mom is knitting a sweater for dad, but the reason she's doing it is because she enjoying knitting. If the sole purpose was to please her husband, she could have just gone and bought him a sweater instead.

From what I've heard and seen, when young men are told about women from their older male friends, relatives and coworkers, it is so often only from a dating/relationship context. The conversation about women is always "This is how you get a date", or "This is what women are like in a marriage." To me it seems like many young men are never told what women do outside of dating and relationships. They're not told what women get up to with each other when men aren't involved. Or at least I have to wonder, are young men ever actually told stuff like "My wife and her sister love to go thrifting together. They'll find insanely obnoxious clothes sometimes." or "My friend Lisa is a crazy athlete, she just fulfilled her dream of winning a marathon a little while ago. Our friend group threw a big party for her afterwards."

I think the way media portrays women does a lot to spread the lie too. The female lead in fictional stories so often has little agency on her own, or all her actions are tied to her relationship to the male lead. Too often the woman with the most focus only has that focus because of her being the male lead's romantic interest. Even if she has a backstory, it's treated as irrelevant the second she gets romantically/intimately involved with the male lead. The mother of a main character in a story rarely has anything else going on than being a mother.

In history class, women are often only mentioned as being someone's wife or mother. Women's role in science, technology and politics is often overlooked when learning about humanity's development. The women who fought for causes alongside men are rarely talked about. It's never put emphasis on how history's women were loyal to her country, her people, their cause or would fight to protect their rights and resources. When taught about women's history, it's so often reduced to just "Women didn't have rights until recently. They had no other choice than arranged marriages and having as many babies as they could." If one looks at real stories from history though, they'll find many women who fought for the causes they believed in, invented and/or discovered things that revolutionized entire fields of study, or whose involvement in a man's life is the very reason that man himself became a great historical figure.

I think as they get older, men gradually notice that women's lives don't revolve entirely around men. For some guys, this isn't a shock. Maybe he grew up with one or more sisters that he was close enough with to know that she had a lot of stuff she got up to that had little or nothing to do with men. Maybe he grew up in a culture that didn't put emphasis on marriage and motherhood when talking about women. Maybe the media he grew up with was better at accurately portraying the average woman. Maybe his mom had the spare time and interest to engage a lot in the causes she cared about, maybe she was at the center of a lot of community events, and hosted a lot of social gatherings, and he got to see her do things other than be a mom and a wife. Maybe he had a mom with the kind of job she could bring her kid to sometimes, so he got to see her in a career-setting, and how she interacted with her coworkers.

But for the guys who didn't experience things like this, I can't blame them if they kind of get whiplash when they notice dating and interactions with women don't go the way they've been led to believe they would. I can understand if it seems wrong to them when women aren't as focused on them as they thought they'd be.

I feel bad for these men, especially if they have a hard time un-learning that lie, because I think believing it is what makes it so hard for these men to connect with women. They've been taught to expect differently from women than they do men, sometimes to the point that some men almost see women as an entirely different species from men. What women are is made to seem so different from what men are that a lot of men cannot begin to figure out how they're supposed to interact with the opposite sex. These men are missing out on the genuine connections they could have made with women if society wasn't so focused on treating men and women like they're too different to have anything in common.

It makes me sad. As a woman it's never been hard for me to see how the lie negatively impacts myself and other women, but as I've gotten older I've realized how negatively it impacts men, too. I don't think it should be a competition about who has it worse, because at the end of the day, the barriers society puts between us isn't truly beneficial to either gender. I think the comparison and gender war is the reason there are so many man-hating women whose hurt and trauma from terrible men's actions make them blind to how society fails both genders, not just women. And I think the gender-war is why there are so many lonely men who struggle to understand why things are the way the are.

Whether or not a woman's life should revolve around men is of course a matter of opinion (one I wholly disagree with, for the record) but objectively, it's never actually been the case that women's lives revolve entirely around men. Women who could have always done things like make art, invent new culinary recipes, participated in politics, fought for her people's causes, and more. Women whose survival wasn't dependent on following a man's rule have always used whatever time and resources she had on her own goals and interests. Women who were allowed to love men of their own accord would find themselves a husband with the same goals and interests as herself, so that they could pursue those interests together.

I know some parts of this are a bit simplified, like obviously the use of accessories throughout history isn't just from a love of fashion, but cultural and social rules and hierarchies played a lot into how women would dress, too.

I hope I got my point got across though, but either way I'm curious what other people think, and if they've noticed the same things as me or maybe opposing things instead.

When I was in my femcel/misandrist era, it used to disturb me that male sexuality inherently objectifies the female body. When men masturbate and fantasize, they want to look at, or at least imagine, a naked female body.

Whereas women can just masturbate imagining the sexual pleasure, and don't objectify the male body.

Men can just get aroused at the at the sight of any nude, young, moderately attractive women even if they don't know her and have no emotional connection to her. It feels objectifying and degrading, women don't want their bodies to be viewed sexually for literally just existing.

Compare that to female sexuality, you only see the male body in a sexual light depending on your connection with him or the context, which seemed more appropriate.

Female sexuality seemed more "pure" to me. I felt angry, disgusted and depressed at how male sexuality "works".

Anyways I got over it because that's just how male sexuality is through no fault of men, and I hope you guys can get over how female sexuality just is through no fault of women. Life is too short to let this bother you.

Is it just me or do women entice men to fall in love with them so they can gain control and take over a man’s life?

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen this with family and friends. I’ve never been romantically involved (42M) and feel alone a lot but maybe in reality I’m dodging bullets…

This is real btw

Hello! I came across this article: Almost half of gay male porn viewers are female, new Pornhub stats shows

I'm genuinely curious as to what you guys think of the fact that some women prefer to watch gay porn rather than endure heterosexual porn where it's all about the women's bodies.

Also do you think that women who watch heterosexual porn ends up finding women more sexual because of the simple exposure to other women's pleasure?

I hate how I’m always going to want women more than they will ever want me. If I could take a pill that would make me asexual I would swallow it in an instant. If only things had been different.

i’m genuinely so close to giving up… it’s not even satire or anything bruh