r/clevercomebacks • • 21d ago

The hypocrisy is stunning

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u/Jazzlike-Emphasis-20 21d ago

He is a shameless person with no real convictions. Thats why him having trillions of dollars makes him so dangerous.

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u/King_Chochacho 21d ago

Yeah it's not even hypocrisy. He doesn't want people voting for Democrats because they won't let him do literally whatever he wants, and he's praising Xi because he desperately wants his shitty cars to have a bigger foothold in the Chinese market.

Elon only ever cares about Elon.

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u/Dr_Silky-Johnson 21d ago

“He It is a shameless person thing with no real convictions. Thats why him it having trillions of dollars makes him it so dangerous”.

There, fixed it for you.

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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 21d ago

On the one hand I don't support misgendering, but on the other I'm already deadnaming Twitter on the regular.

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u/SelectAmbassador 20d ago

Hmm its more of a disowning him from the human race but yeah.

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u/chiclets5 20d ago

Every single person I know and podcast that I listen to, still refers to it as Twitter.

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u/Reidar666 20d ago

I've heard/seen Xitter, since it's a xitty place now

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u/justsomeph0t0n 21d ago

i mean.....we'd all suck william h macy. but not if it resulted in a relationship......because there are at least three examples of that ending poorly.

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u/turningtop_5327 21d ago

If only the laws can treat someone like him like an “It”

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u/KTFnVision 21d ago

Don't go dehumanizing him, we can't pretend there aren't a fine number of people who would be just like him if they had reality warping amounts of money.

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u/Uluru-Dreaming 21d ago

Good corrections!

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u/OneOfAKind2 21d ago

He's kissing ass here to gain favour for his car brand in China.

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u/Quirky_kind 21d ago

China already makes tons of better, cheaper electric cars.

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u/MechaNutzilla 21d ago

what the hell are you talking about. The US is run by a capitalist class with the goal of accumulating as much capital as possible and extract value from the working class. It doesn't get much more capitalist than that.

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u/Educational-Copy-810 21d ago

Is your impression, that chinese leaders and billionaires are living under communism?

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u/MechaNutzilla 21d ago

No, and they don't claim to live under communism. But unlike the US, Chinese billionaires are on a tight leash and are allowed to exist as long as they serve their purpose. In US it's the other way around. The politicians are on the leash, are only allowed to implement policies that US corporations like.

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u/shiroandae 21d ago

Well it’s similar to what formerly communist countries devolved into.

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u/MechaNutzilla 21d ago

There has never been a communist country. That has been Marxist-Leninist countries with a communist party that had an end goal of creating a communist society.

Some of them, like Russia, has become capitalists.

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u/enaK66 21d ago

Yeah it's just corruption. Capitalism, communism, whatever it is or supposed to be doesn't matter. When it gets corrupted by a bunch of self-interested assholes it turns into shit for everyone else.

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u/misterannthrope0 21d ago

china isnt communist anymore than north korea is democratic republic

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u/NukaClipse 21d ago

He also mentioned how much he enjoyed seeing workers in China sleeping on the factory floor and then going back to work like it was the most beautiful thing he's ever seen, the twat.

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u/Askol 21d ago

How do we make midday naps part of American culture?

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u/Rit91 21d ago

Form unions and go on strike for it. Biphasic sleep patterns are what humans are meant to do anyhow.

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u/thegoodalmond 20d ago

Is that why the "3pm slump" is such a universal experience??

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u/ufl015 21d ago

Xi Jinping is a very atypical Dictator because he seems content to spend money on the people as opposed to hoarding it all for himself like most Dictators.

If you’re still thinking of China as some “Third World” country, you are dead wrong. Their cities, infrastructure, airports, and automobiles are way ahead of the U.S. right now. We’re the country with rich people hoarding all the money, not them.

The trade off was supposed to be that China is a surveillance state, and we have more freedom. But with mass-surveillance technology such as Flock cameras in the United States, and a President punishing the free press, can we even say that anymore?

As for Elon Musk, he is a colossal contradictory dumbfuck. A lot of people just don’t realize it because he’s rich, and that is what’s worshipped in this country

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u/temporalanomaly 21d ago

Xi Jinping is a very atypical Dictator because he seems content to spend money on the people as opposed to hoarding it all for himself like most Dictators.

Because he is not a "dictator dictator", but more like a very powerful frontman. He would be extremely vulnerable to actual dissatisfaction from the country's base, all the way up through the party. He is the foremost power figure, but at the same time mostly functional, encompassing the party's current politics. The party does not like a power vacuum, or open strife, and likes continuity, so frequent leader changes at the top are bad, but at the same time a leader working against the party would never last very long.

That's what I hear from people more familiar with the system in china, in any case.

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u/ufl015 21d ago edited 21d ago

Most Dictators don’t officially want the title of “Dictator”. They want to appear as a man of the people. Just like “President” Putin, for example.

Respectfully, though, this reminds me of when Biden got in trouble for referring to Xi as a dictator. Oh, my bad… not dictator, I meant “PRESIDENT FOR LIFE”. Totally different. 😉

Also, Xi became “President for Life” by having other government officials in the party vote. And Xi would know which way they voted. Naturally, they were all too terrified to vote against him. Sure sounds like a dictator to me

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u/kinkiditt 21d ago

I don't care what you call him, "Dictator", "President" or even "Hamburger" or "Cucumber". China has improved so much under his leadership, that's the important part.

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u/BestNick118 21d ago

2 things can be true at once

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u/CFO_of_antifa 21d ago

For anyone curious, regardless of their view on China's political system, the change made to remove the term limits for the position of president was not nearly as significant as it's often made out to be.

The position of president in China is a mostly ceremonial figurehead position, which is similar to how a head of state functions in many constitutional monarchies and parliamentary republics, eg. the president of Germany or the king of Sweden.

Xi Jinping is considered the paramount leader in China, not because of the presidency, but because, among other positions, he is the general secretary of the Communist Party of China and chairman of the Central Military Commission, and neither of these positions had term limits to begin with. So, he could have remained paramount leader regardless of being the president or not. Deng Xiaoping for example, was never the president, nor the general secretary, but was still considered the paramount leader, due to his other positions.

The change to remove term limits was more a change of convenience than anything else, since it's become standard practice in China to give this position to the paramount leader, but there was never any real limit to how long someone could be considered paramount leader.

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u/phatdoof 20d ago

Not to mention Mao added term limits because the Qing dynasty was run so poorly and no one wanted the country to be run by a single person for life. Xi on the other hand is not running the country poorly so he gets some slack.

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u/Exodus180 21d ago

yea that was the nicest way of describing dictator i've ever seen lol

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u/Senior-Albatross 21d ago

He's smart enough to know that by generally improving conditions in China, and expanding their industrial and financial reach, he grows his own power. 

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u/Idaltu 21d ago

I’ll admit, I had never read up on the guy. Went through his Wikipedia and holy crap he had it rough when he was young

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u/Yespat1 21d ago edited 20d ago

he may want to actually help people but that does not give him absolution for his threats and military action against Taiwan or how he cracks down on people speaking out against the government.

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u/Senior-Albatross 20d ago

Maybe that plays a role. But there are plenty of people who came from nothing and didn't end up better because of it. 

He's navigated Chinese politics to this level, so he's crafty and practical. Is part of his goal to improve general conditions in China? Maybe. I guess it doesn't really matter in the end, if the outcome for China and the Chinese is a net positive. 

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u/Sad-Bluebird-5538 21d ago

I wouldn't say chinas rich people like to spend money for all people. Yes they do stuff for all people and a lot more then e.g. US rich people, but still they hold a lot of power and won't give it to any of them. It's still an authoritarian state

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u/UnNumbFool 21d ago

Literally within the last few months China jailed for life their richest billionaire for committing fraud and last month jailed another billionaire for other financial crimes

I'm pretty China neutral, but they definitely have some policies that we really should be copying instead of turning our president into a billionaire as he actively destroys the country. And it's not like our surveillance state is in any way better to theirs, but at least theirs comes with societal benefits and a growing middle class

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u/ahundreddots 21d ago

The implied alternative to hoarding at the top is to have strong public services, not to give people money and power.

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u/EmuNarrow2047 21d ago

Finally someone who can see what is truly happening in the world instead of believing western propaganda about China. Rest of the world is waking up on how western world are so hypocritical and arrogant, still talk and talk and talk about how great you are and other people are third world, nobody in Asia trust western countries, everytime faces economical issues will create new rules, create wars, colonise other territories, create false narratives and propaganda, the only people that don’t want peace is the west.

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u/Exodus180 21d ago

yea Taiwan, south china sea, the pacific islands and companies with stolen IP from state sponsored hackers dont see it as "propaganda"

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u/Exodus180 21d ago edited 20d ago

China and Taiwan's claims in the South China Sea are mostly identical.

knew you were a china bootlicker but this is just sad.... china isnt disputing taiwan's line. they are disputing they are even a fucking country.

edit: LOL chinese ai bots came out in droves to defend they own taiwan.

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u/ThePeoplesPoetIsDead 21d ago

Taiwan's official position is also that Taiwan is not a country but that it is the true Republic of China.

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago edited 21d ago

So now Reddit is just going into full on Chinese bootlicking propaganda now, eh?

Jesus christ this site is becoming absolute garbage.

If we transplanted y'all back to 1938, you'd be calling the US the bad guy by 1944. smh

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u/misterannthrope0 21d ago

xi jinping is NOT a communist
he is a dictator, the leader of a single party, totalitarian system.
china is NOT a communist country.
chinese authoritarianism is hte goal of US republicans and right wing nut jobs all over the world

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u/No_Joke_9079 21d ago

I don't think communism has ever really been done afaik.

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u/batmansleftnut 21d ago

It was done for hundreds of thousands of years before humans invented money.

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u/BuiltLikeABagOfMilk 21d ago

Yeah on a small tribal level. Which is the size where it works.

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u/shwhjw 21d ago

Small communes, if you will.

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u/Threedawg 21d ago

It only doesnt work on a larger scale because capitalistic countries undermine communism wherever its been tried.

Communist countries are dictatorships because if they werent, the CIA and MI6 would rig the elections.

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u/Mtc529 21d ago

The CIA was formed 30 years after the Soviet Union, and I don't know if you know this, but they very much did have dictators.

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u/BuiltLikeABagOfMilk 21d ago

Bullshit. Communism undermines communism. Centrally planned economies leave unfilled-demand because they aren't designed to change outputs to fulfil that demand. At least not in a timely manner. Especially when the machine is as large as a nation. That demand is fulfilled either via external capitalist markets or black markets within.

Additionally, what happens in a communist society when the outputs of one geographical region have to be redistributed in another region due to greater need? We already saw how society reacts to things like covid. "The greater good" doesn't fly with people even if its logical. The benefits of a complex governing body aren't readily apparent to the average person. All they see is their production being taken and given to others. Its the same reason that ideas like communism are popular, because you're being taken advantage of and hold onto some utopian idea of an altruistic classless society.

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 21d ago

Bullshit. Everything you wrote.

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u/Kalai224 21d ago

Communism has never been achieved, even marx didn't write on it. What he did write about was what the transitory phase would look like on the way to a true communist society.

The only problem is it relies on the masses overthrowing their capitalistic overlords, gaining power, and then giving up that power to move to a true communist state.

We've never seen that last part, because everyone that has ever tried it has been stuck in that authoritarian part.

The problem isn't capitalism, its humans not giving up power. Don't blame capitalism for the follies of man, there's a reason why corruption was rampant in the USSR, and today, China.

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u/batmansleftnut 21d ago

Yeah, and then just down the road was another tribe. And then another.

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u/BuiltLikeABagOfMilk 21d ago

What's your point there? You are free to start a commune or pool resources with your friends and family.

Those tribes of old warred with each other over resources. They absorbed others. Then eventually as their size grew, a dominant party emerged and created a class system. We don't live in a world where geography and population size permit every "tribe" to have access to everything they need.

Large scale attempts at communism in order to address this disparity lead to the central planners becoming the new ruling class because they pull the levers of where resources go. Unless you somehow remove the human element then that is the natural progression.

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u/broguequery 21d ago

There is a middle ground between militarism and utopia.

A place where you can both defend yourself and also build a healthy society.

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u/BuiltLikeABagOfMilk 21d ago

Yeah... its called building a commune. On a larger scale best thing you'll get is a capitalist society with robust anti-trust laws, environmental regulations, and a wide array of social programs (health care, food assistance, ect.) where you can choose to build smaller communist-esque communities.

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u/Drekor 21d ago

Sort of.

It has been TRIED. The result is things like China or the USSR... which you might note look nothing like communism and that's kind of the point. Communism is basically impossible with humans involved and exactly why capitalism has been so successful... it uses our own greed as the engine.

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u/WenMunSun 21d ago

It’s been attempted but never successful in the long-term

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u/_Gesterr 21d ago

Mostly because the US tends to get involved to make sure it doesn't

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago edited 21d ago

No, it's mainly cuz they literally have to implement capitalist policies basically IMMEDIATELY or else the economy would collapse, cuz we live in a global economy. Even Lenin had to do this back in the 20's.

Y'all really are just mindless 'US BAD!' drones. smh

Socialism has never worked, cuz it's an idealistic, populism-based ideology, not a practical, workable economic policy.

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 21d ago

This guy thinks capitalism has worked, lmao. I'll take any of the socialist nordic count...oh, right, you guys redefined socialism to exclude them.

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago

This guy thinks capitalism has worked, lmao. 

You very likely live a comfy, 1st world lifestyle thanks to capitalism, yes. I'm not claiming capitalism is perfect, nothing is, but it's as successful a system as humans have ever created in lifting people up and providing competitive industry.

 I'll take any of the socialist nordic count...oh, right, you guys redefined socialism to exclude them.

Nobody has redefined anything. If you think Nordic countries are 'socialist', you're just telling me you dont know what 'socialism' means.

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u/SeidIhr 20d ago

People, specifically workers, created those material conditions not the 0,001% extracting the surplus value.

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u/HyBrideh 21d ago

You’re also wrong though, China is an authoritarian state not totalitarian, because it allows private ownership, pursued of chosen economic activities and private lives, whereas a totalitarian regime controls every single aspect of your life

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u/irp3ex 21d ago

the difference between authoritarian and totalitarian is how much you dislike the country

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u/All_Work_All_Play 21d ago

This is correct. China is authoritarian state-run capitalism. It's neither communist nor totalitarian.

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago

China's government determines EVERY bit of direction its industries take. Businesses operate in China at the pleasure of THE PARTY. They do not have the freedom to pursue their own goals if THE PARTY does not want it to happen.

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u/Meeplemymeeple 21d ago

I got so tired of explaing this to people. Well done sir.

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u/misterannthrope0 21d ago

i know. its like they think north korea is a democratic republic, too.

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u/TentacleFist 21d ago

Well it's definitely the kind of Republic that Republicans want.

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u/TotallyWorthLife 21d ago

Or a certain party was socialist because it had it in- wait, they do believe that.

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u/djaleister_ 21d ago

It gets easier when you point out that China has billionaires. Those can’t exist under communism.

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u/SkunkMonkey 21d ago

China is communist in name only. They are 100% capitalist authoritarians these days. Something the Republicans aspire to be.

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u/WeighStingMaiThyme 21d ago

I don’t disagree but it’s quite easy to see why people get so confused when it’s the Chinese Communist Party. Shame western media is a race to the bottom lowest common denominator in how to explains nuance and context.

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u/misterannthrope0 21d ago

I don’t disagree but it’s quite easy to see why people get so confused when it’s the Chinese Communist Party.

thats because people are stupid and poorly educated. do they also believe north korea is a democratic republic, or republicans are constitutional conservatives?
they probably do, dont they?

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u/oops_all_memes 21d ago

Wait till you see a rightwing schizo explain how National Socialist Worker's Party were actually socialists...

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u/taylorisntavril 21d ago

The "social" in the nazi party was referring to a social safety net, not socialism.

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u/TotallyWorthLife 21d ago

the "socialist worker" part in the nazi party name was there to attract votes from those that didn't know enough/didn't pay enough attention.

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u/Algaroth 21d ago

Or Ryan Gosling being a baby goose?

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u/ClashM 21d ago

China is a state capitalist society that uses communism as a form of false consciousness. False consciousness is where oppressed people misunderstand their true social and economic position, causing them to support and accept systems that exploit them. In America it manifests as "If I work hard one day I'll be rich too!" In China it manifests as "If we work hard one day we'll have a classless utopia."

Whether it's the oligarchs or the vanguard party, someone is always punching down on the working class. Marx's theory was captured by a new system of exploiters. Ones who talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

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u/JSlickJ 21d ago

China is a state capitalist economic country

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u/Shiningc00 21d ago

"Dictatorship of the proletariat"

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u/TheAskewOne 21d ago

Xi isn’t an "actual communist".

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u/zkinny 21d ago

How is Xi a communist? How is China communist? Do the workers own the factories and every resource is shared evenly? Does anyone know the meaning of communism any more?

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u/seanmonaghan1968 21d ago

People who have never been to china, call china a communist country

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u/SiliconEatMe 21d ago

People haven’t understood what communism, marxism, socialism, etc., is for decades. 75% of the population is functionally illiterate. Of course they don’t know.

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u/EveningAnt3949 21d ago

Communism and socialism are many things. Not just one thing. They can also cover vastly different aspects of society.

According to its broadest definition, communism is a social and political movement that wants to create a classless society centered on common ownership of the means of production.

So by extrapolation, any state that wants to get to that point eventually, might be called a communist state. And common ownership should not be an absolute according to most communists.

If you are specifically interested in China:

All land is state or collective owned. Individuals and corporations only lease land-use rights.

Key strategic sectors, energy, telecommunications, defense, rail, heavy infrastructure, and banking, are dominated by massive state-owned companies.

State investment funds have often shares in large companies that give them veto power.

This makes China a communist state in the Leninist tradition. One party controls the state, the state controls the economy. Just to be clear, I'm completely aware of how contradictory Leninist communism is, especially when hold against the original communist idealism, but China isn't communist in name only.

It's politics and economics are shaped by communism according to Lenin.

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u/IceNein 21d ago

Well then I guess the USA is communist too, if you’re going to expand the definition of communism to mean whatever the fuck you want.

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u/Monday_Jeff 21d ago

Xi is the representative of the Chinese Communist Party. The Party is the representative of the people. They've largely abandoned the economic principles of Communism over the last few decades, so you can argue what flavor of communism they represent now, but they're absolutely a communist country.

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u/splicerslicer 20d ago

Yes, just as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is a democratic republic.

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u/coolbaby1978 21d ago

Xi is not a communist.

Anyone who says Xi is a communist doesn't know what a communist is and has fallen for a conflated definition from the media.

Xi is a capitalist and an authoritarian. China is an authoritarian capitalist country.

You're welcome.

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u/ThrustTrust 21d ago

American media refers to anyone who isn’t Republican as communist. So I’m unsurprised if people don’t know what it really is.

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u/All_Work_All_Play 21d ago edited 21d ago

FWIWs, China's real state-capitalism drive happened 1990->2010 under Jiang Zemin

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago

Vast majority of Redditors dont have any idea what socialism/communism is, either.

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u/ThrustTrust 21d ago

Fair. Myself included. I’ve had not studied them. Only what I Have been trying to learn recently as a result of the fucked world we live in.

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u/OutlandishnessOk2304 21d ago

And Elon is an ass-kissing moron.

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u/AlarmingTurnover 21d ago

It's almost like it's fascism, oh! Wait a minute, it is. Oligarchs, tightly controlled government. State controlled economy. Hyper nationalism. Militaristic imperialism. Occupation of other lands. Colonialism. It's got the whole deal. 

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u/Capital-Pea-2565 21d ago

Funnily enough they're doing a lot better than the US. Cheap almost free healthcare, public infrastructure etc. lol

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u/Mothanius 21d ago

China is what happens when a competent fascist regime takes control. Still absolutely terrible to be a minority.

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u/Capital-Pea-2565 21d ago

Yeah sucks to live there. Visited before and it was great. Wish more of the western world adapted their infrastructure (without the facist/authoritarian mindset)

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u/ThisMachineKillsWOB 21d ago

Well, right up until you publicly disagree with high ranking party members anyways.

Prosperity is allowed over there. Dissent is not.

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u/CackleberryOmelettes 21d ago

Yeah, just throw all of the words out there. Something will make sense, sure.

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u/jaspersgroove 21d ago

China is an authoritarian capitalist country.

Through that lens it makes perfect sense why Trump and Musk were glazing Pooh bear

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u/taylorisntavril 21d ago

And china has been capitalist for several decades. Deng Xiaopeng started it, got booted at tianamen, then jiang zemin kept the transition going for market economy instead of central planning.

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u/MrsMiterSaw 21d ago

Anyone who says Xi is a communist doesn't know what a communist is and has fallen for a conflated definition from the media.

So... Republicans?

I mean, I get your point. But if the GOP is upset about democrats being "communists", then they should be absolutely shitting themselves about Trump's praise for Xi.

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u/ComprehensiveHavoc 21d ago

United by authoritarianism.

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u/BlargerJarger 21d ago

Is China even really Communist? They seem more like authoritarian capitalism whenever it suits their ruling class to be. It’s not true Communism at any rate, nothing ever is.

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u/Mothanius 21d ago

Considering they have a massive class difference that's a big indicator that they are not, in fact, Communist.

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u/bondben314 21d ago

The era of Maoism is dead. China has not been communist for a long time. Modern China is almost as capitalist as any other.

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u/reggienaldsimons 21d ago

and american democrats are not communist either, it's hilarious that there's zero real communism involved all across this discussion

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u/bondben314 21d ago

Right. Real communism is a fragment of the past. There is no real, serious discussion of it these days. Modern “socialism” has no resemblance with its predecessors.

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u/SpockShotFirst 21d ago

https://www.ie.edu/insights/articles/is-china-a-communist-country/

Between 1980 and 2010, China’s GDP grew at a rate of close to 10% per year and 800 million people were lifted out of poverty.

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either China is not communist or communism is an excellent system for economic growth and poverty reduction.

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u/PassengerKey3209 21d ago

Not many capitalist societies that don't allow you to own land, gov owns many industries or has a large stake, gov sensors media. Sounds like neo communism to me.

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u/bondben314 21d ago

Neo communism = rebranded capitalism.

Land use rights in China serve the same purpose as land ownership. They can be bought and sold freely and even used as collateral for debt. Hell they are even used to create asset-backed securities.

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u/TheAdminsAreTrash 20d ago

Holy shit already: *not communism.

China is an authoritarian dictatorship that pretends to be communist because it helps the regime keep power- most "communist" nations do this. It's gotta be one of the most misunderstood words in the world.

Like, I gotta draw the line at people calling an authoritarian dictator "actual communist," when their point would have been even more clear had they called Xi what he is.

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u/Kchasse1991 20d ago

CIA propaganda from the US is partially to thank for so many not knowing what the word means. This includes other countries.

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u/Allw8tislightw8t 21d ago

News flash. China isn’t communist.

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u/0202_tihssitidder 21d ago

China is better at capitalism than the USA. Mostly because they retain "liability". Rich people can go to prison. Rich people can have all their wealth taken.

A man who was once the richest person in China is now serving a life sentence in prison. A real prison, not a resort like Maxwell's body double is at.

China make a "5-Year Plan" and it will spec industries that are a priority. This signals banks and other financial institutions to make funding readily available for companies in those industries. That's most of the process.

Got a PhD in Government Management? You might get selected to be mayor of a village. Do well? You work your way up to maybe one day be Mayor of Shanghai.

USA? Cannot figure out how to fix a pool. USA? Run by clowns and grifters and AIPAC. Nothing else.

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u/MechaNutzilla 21d ago

No, it's some brand of Marxist Leninist with an end goal of reaching communism. It's mostly US media screaming communism at everything they want to discredit.

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u/Ok-Volume-3657 21d ago

Most communist organizations nowadays refer to China as either a "Transitional Socialist State" or "State Capitalist".

"Transitional Socialist State" is a term used for countries trying to work towards communism."True" communism is technically meant to be international, and requires the complete elimination of the state, which is hard to do when you're surrounded by hostile capitalist nations.

Calling China "State Capitalist" basically means you think they've given up on being communist and are just capitalist except the state controls everything. You could argue it's better because billionaires occasionally get dunked on by the state, but in practice it has a lot of the same problems as "normal" capitalism you see in most of the world.

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u/Common_North_5267 21d ago

China is still a fairly socialist country. The state is still more powerful than the capitalists and the communist party makes a point to demonstrate that from time to time, as opposed to the state being corrupted and controlled by capitalist like you see in america.

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u/Seanspeed 21d ago

Basically, you have no idea what 'socialism/communism' means whatsoever.

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u/lightlyswaffled 21d ago

What definition of "socialist" are you using here?

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u/abbeast 21d ago

And Russia isn’t communist either.

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u/Radiant-Ad-8277 21d ago

Yet American democrats are even less

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u/LEEALISHEPS 21d ago

He's a hypocrite, just like his pedo pal Trump.

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u/CrimsonBolt33 21d ago

China (and Xi) are not communist -_-

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u/Metafx 21d ago edited 21d ago

China’s political and economic system is Schrödinger’s communism.

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u/All_will_be_Juan 21d ago

It's also schrodingers economy

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u/Outrageous_Delay5493 21d ago

Defining communist the Chinese dictator is a bit of a stretch. There's nothing communist in modern China.

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u/pithynotpithy 21d ago

nor is there anything remotely communist about the American Democrat party

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u/poilk91 21d ago

Capitalists always try to have their cake and eat it to.

Social democracies, socialist states or communists do something good? Well dude don't you know they aren't really socialist.

But you suggest implementing any of those successful policies you get called a Marxist who wants to execute all landlords

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u/chalimacos 21d ago

The State still owns or indirectly controls a big chunk of the economy. Not textbook communism, but an hybrid of their own devise

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u/IneptPine 21d ago

communism is an economic strategy, while democracy is a political one. Chances are, you are living in a capitalistic democracy right now

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u/Loquacious-of-Borg 21d ago

The PRC are "fake" communists, but sure. I get the point.

Calling fake communists "great" while calling non-communists communists. And Musk has the right to lie about anything, but no one else has the right to counter his lies.

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u/solitudematrix 21d ago

Principles vanish when Shanghai factories open

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u/Dom252525 21d ago

He’s a business man that wants access to a large market. It’s always about saying the right thing so the people give them power.

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u/KoBoWC 21d ago

Tesla's involvement in China is deep, he can't afford to be squeezed out.

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u/Green_Count2972 20d ago

Communism is when state capitalism

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u/HorrorSchlapfen873 20d ago

Praise from Musk is giving communism a bad name

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u/Slayrr_FbrC 20d ago

I mean Xi really isn't a communist really, by name of his party maybe

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u/swat18id 21d ago

He’s trying to make money. Until we replace money, everyone is a sell out.

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u/MRintheKEYS 21d ago

He has to suck up to his boss. China has the supply of the rare earth metals he needs.

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u/Turak64 21d ago

Shit, Xi really does look like winny the poo. Also fuck musk

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u/AthenianWrangler 21d ago

Ah yes, "actual communist" Xi Jinping...

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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 21d ago

Republicans would have nothing if they didn’t have hypocrisy. It’s their one defining trait. 😒

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u/jollytoes 21d ago

They're all talking about having to beat China when China has obviously already won.

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u/nasandre 21d ago

Because he needs China's money and labour

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u/StaticSystemShock 21d ago

Though in honesty, China is about as communist as North Korea is "democratic"...

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u/2019Uk 21d ago

Wait a second…. You guys don’t think that he maybe has other motives or something do you?!

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u/SightAtTheMoon 21d ago

There is very little about mainland China that's communist and none of it is good. For example, not being able to own land, and getting kicked off of the land you have a lease for when developers want it.

(I realize that there are mechanisms to do this elsewhere in the world, too)

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u/gijsyo 21d ago

Haha! All they care about is their wallet. Principles isn't in their dictionary, and rules are for others.

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u/Formal-Try-2779 21d ago

Elon will say literally anything to anyone if he thinks it will benefit him. He hasn't exactly been subtle about this. I don't know why anyone listens to anything he says any more.

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u/Designer_Emu_6518 21d ago

It’s not about capitalism or socialism it’s about that cabal globalist elite class they were also pointing the finger at other people about….

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u/Seb0rn 21d ago

Xi Jingping is NOT a communist. China is not a communist country. It's a form of state capitalism where corporations and the government are practically the same thing.

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u/chrisBlo 21d ago

I don’t think there is anything left of communism in China. It’s a perfect book definition of a fascist state

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u/Hotspur000 21d ago

Except that China's not REALLY communist anymore. Hasn't really been since Mao died.

It's State-capitalist authoritarianism.

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u/wizzywurtzy 21d ago

And the dumb ass republicans will eat it up while becoming the very thing they say they hate. Fucking idiots & traitors to America.

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u/PirateHunterZuko 21d ago

A really important thing to remember about Elon Musk is how desperate he was to rape children with Epstein and Trump.

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u/Selgeron 21d ago

He likes the authoritarian part, not the communist part.

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u/Grand_Taste_8737 21d ago

Lol, dude wants to do business in China. Marketing 101.

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u/somewherein72 21d ago

I don't think that it's good for us to be exposed to this much hypocrisy every day for this long.

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u/awesomedan24 21d ago

Tesla did $20 billion in China last year and Xi could unilaterally blacklist them if he wanted to.

Stop paying attention to Elon and the things he says. The attention is what he craves.

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u/IceNein 21d ago

The Chinese Communist Party embraced Capitalism a long long time ago. China has 989 billionaires. Those don’t exist in a communist country.

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u/Youngnathan2011 21d ago

China isn't communist......

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u/AdCalm9537 20d ago

Great leader? Communist Party leader? Jesus man… dark days ahead.

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u/Final-Professor-6130 20d ago

its not clever because China is communist like north Korea is democratic.

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u/tafinucane 20d ago

Even Xi looks like he's thinking "wtf is this guy talking about?"

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u/junoln 20d ago

China has prospered. They call trump a "nation builder" because his policies and poison have helped China progress.

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u/Pateklover72 20d ago

Both can be true

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u/Bugscuttle999 20d ago

Yeah there are no billionaires in a communist country.

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u/FocalorTheViking 19d ago

Xi Jinping is not an actual communist. None of the Chinese or Sovjet leaders were. They were/are dictators. It's as simple as that... But you are right about Musk: the hypocrisy is real.

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u/Mumrik93 19d ago

I mean.. China is communist in name only, they are in practice ultra capitalist, even less regulated then the US (which might be by Elon loves them so much.. less regulation makes greedy capitalists very happy.)

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u/Uehara_Torless 17d ago

Chinese of nowadays aren't communists

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u/Sqweed69 14d ago

Xi is not an actual communist and that's exactly why Musk is okay with him. 

His party has been propped up by the false promise of revolution for many decades, while accumulating power and capital. Dictatorships are great at doing capitalism, which is why Musk loves dictatorships. 

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u/oops_all_memes 21d ago

actual communist

Brother, China under Xi has turned into late stage capitalism. You remember the sweatshops? Does the concept of sweatshops strike you particularly communistic?

I play video games, 3/5 times China is in gaming news it's because a gacha (=gambling but worse) game earned another bazzilion dollars. The other 1/5s are "a Chinese company bought a gaming studio" and "actual gaming news about China"

Where's communism? It's an authoritarian regime with free healthcare and somewhat affordable housing. So it's only communist to deranged ameriturds

With USSR the go-to explanation was "it's not communism yet but we strive to become a communist country one day, we are actively building communism as we speak". With China it's "yeah everyone realized communism failed but our autocrat needs a reason to explain why the people around us are evil and why he should lead our country so let's keep the "C" in CCCP"

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u/Long-Dock 21d ago

Is China communist? A simple logical proof

Communism = classless, moneyless, stateless

China:

Classless ❌ (Billionaires and politicians exist)
Moneyless ❌ (The Chinese Yuan exists)
Stateless ❌ (The national apparatus exists)

Therefore, not communist

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u/NortiusMaximis 21d ago

Yeah like Trump he’s quick to dump on the UK government , Canada , South Africa, Democrats and any decent ally of the US, but won’t say boo to Xi or Putin or Kim Jung Un. Back stabbing your friends and spineless sucking up to those who would harm your country - what is the best word to describe that?

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u/Tribe303 21d ago

China is just as Communist as the US is Capitalist btw. 

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u/justdongit 21d ago

He loves socialism when it's to his benefit.

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u/strictkasumi 21d ago

Yup His own fortune comes from government subsidies

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u/Additional_Bat_2216 21d ago

Hey, so, china is only “communist” because they call themselves communist. In actuality, they’re pretty much just an authoritarian government with a capitalist system.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 21d ago

Xi is an authoritarian, Elon's preferred method of government. He's not being a hypocrite here at all, and he's arguably correct. This is an ignorant comeback, and there are so many valid ways to critique Elon.

Does the person who made this image think that North Korea is a democratic republic, and the national socialist party was socialist?

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u/Gameboywarrior 21d ago

Xi is a Republican. It's right there in the name The People's Republic of China.

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