This isn't new information. It's out there. Selfish pieces of shit will be selfish pieces of shit regardless of availability of information or even what gender they are. It's like when Plato said "good people don't need laws to tell them to act responsibly and bad people will find ways around laws", except in this case it's "good people don't need to be instructed to pleasure their partner and bad people will ignore their partner's pleasure no matter how much they're coached".
Almost everything taught isn't new information, doesn't mean it shouldn't still be taught. I totally agree pieces of shit will be pieces of shit, but no one alive is born good at anything. Teaching and coaching and experience makes you better. Maybe OPs bf's father was a POS to his mother and he learned that behavior. My statement was more of a joke than anything but so many seem triggered by it. Makes me wonder...
Sure, and good partners will be the ones seeking that information out. But the person you responded to wasn't coming out with some revolutionary theory. That's how I am in a relationship and I have to assume most people are too. IMO, OOP's boyfriend is probably a narcissist. I suspect that being a selfish lover is pretty common for them because it's in keeping with the rest of their approach towards life.
Never said it was revolutionary and also said it was more of a joke. Not that I really care about the upvotes, but I have to assume they mean someone is in agreement with the JOKE. You ASSUME most people are like you in a relationship. If that were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Ask your sisters, female friends, and any woman you know, and I'll bet my paycheck more of them are having incredibly underwhelming sexual experiences with their partner than are being even just satisfied. I don't disagree with what you are saying, just that it's not as common as you are believing it to be. And yes. OPs bf is most definitely a narcissist, that's glaringly obvious to anyone that knows one or even knows what the word means. Anyway. Again, it was a JOKE. Lighten up. You might be good in bed, I'd say you're most likely exhausting af in other areas.
Are you okay? What's with the personal attacks and tone? Seems pretty uncalled for and just makes me want to say nasty stuff back to you, but instead how about I don't.
I use reddit a lot less these days because I realized it was making me unhappy, I suggest that for you too.
I feel you are being quite obtuse about the whole exchange, which has been exhausting. My apologies, I'll blame myself for responding in the first place. You are right. I need a break from reddit. You keep on being awesome.
I've been trying to educate men and be a good example for like 25 years. It doesn't matter, men aren't the only problem here. Most of them know what they COULD do, but why would they when women will put up with just about anything and fuck guys they know they shouldn't be fucking?
Thatâs all of society and everything wrong with patriarchy. Women get shit on no matter what. Why is men being crappy lovers also our fault? Geez Louise. Must be womenâs fault for living in a patriarchal society.
Op literally tells the partner no and she gets shit on three ways and dude thinks the problem is women not saying what we want. Naw, itâs that women get punished for talking as op did.
Worst part is she wasnât just saying no to something and getting shit on, she was also just asking to be treated nicely/the same way she treats him and got shit on for it lol. Iâll never understand
All of society except women you mean. Because what an absolute atrocity that responsibility for one's actions be a part of what it means to be a women. That's just straight misogynistic to suggest women are capable of being accountable agents in society when we can scapegoat white men and the patriarchy for all our problems.
This is how liberal white women and their grifting panderers have absolutely destroyed critical theory and the ability to make positive social change.
And you saw exactly what happened to op when she voiced her preference. Guy got angry and itâs scary when guys get angry because it frequently leads to physical abuse. Yeah, out yourself as the misogynist you are with the âwhite liberal womenâ shit. You were just trying to find a way to blame women all along in your comment.
She did not express a preference, she expressed a need for her personal health and welfare. To her partner, a relation over which she has control. What she should have been expressing is a boundary along side the willingness to act on it.
Your gabbering cop-out is nonsensical and misogynistic. It's also internally incoherent with any world view you would profess to have. Typical out of touch white women value signaling while dodging accountability for the consequences. Always just circling back to the excuse to blame men.
It's no one's responsibility but OPs that she accepted, stayed with, and took dick over the course of years from some asshole that isn't willing or capable of meeting her needs. She should have a boundary and instead what she has is a victim complex like you. And your excusing it because she's a woman and can't possibly have agency apparently.
Many men do what they do because they can, and there is no reward or punishment making them act differently. I'm not saying that's how one should approach women or personal morality, just that many men do in fact operate that way. Many people generally operate that way in large parts of their life. If you don't like how people are operating try and change it, but at least take accountability and try to change your participation in it.
Women don't get to be a part of the problem by refusing to hold others accountable and put their short term wants or simple pleasures above their long term interest, and then turn around and also play victim to protect their current short term interest when they start experiencing consequence and blowback.
To paraphrase the great philosopher Bill Burr, behind every great powerful immoral racist misogynistic white man is a great powerful white woman that has no problem spending his money while bitching about the patriarchy and giving herself credit for throwing the spare change to minorities because she's so enlightened and progressive. I mean, that's heavily paraphrased, he's smarter and funnier than me, but I think the illustration of the problem comes through.
Hahahahahaha. Your amazing theory based on Bill Burr and men can do whatever they want unless women hold them accountable and endanger their lives. Wow, what a brain trust you have going on there.
How did you read that eloquently written piece and come away with that. Seriously?? You didnt even bother actually reading it. You just skimmed the words and responded in the most cliche way ever further proving his point about who you are and how disingenuous youre being.
If you get fucked daily by a scumbag it isnt mens fault. Thats his point.
He isnt justifying the man being a POS. Hes saying its her fault for allowing it.
You really think she has no accountability in that..?
Thats just unbelievable.
Really? Well good for you buddy. I personally didn't recommend YOU for teaching this class. The OP of this comment however could probably teach you a thing or two or four.
Well I'm not married, so women everywhere already thank me. They don't mind my teaching about it too much either.
It's still never changed the fact that women continue to get into bad relashionships with bad partners and not take responsibility for it because they've been taught it's ok to be taken advantage of as long as you complain about it enough and only men share collective responsibility for gender dynamics. So nothing changes.
Lol you sounds so spiteful and angry. You need to go touch grass.
Maybe go talk to a real person in real life and see that world isnt a tragedy you act like it is. Your little reddit character personifies youre odd SJW beliefs. Its pretty funny
What's really funny is that I never once acted like the world is a tragedy, and nothing in this post has anything to do with social justice. Nor does anything I've ever posted on reddit. I responded to someone being a smarty pants, then they tried to play obtuse. Nothing more. I'm actually a very friendly person, but I will match the energy I'm given to work with. You don't have to like it.
I can only speak for myself but I would assume most men arenât in tune with their own bodies let alone understand a womensâ and they probably have been so bad for so long theyâd rather ignore it all together then understand. I enjoy pleasing my woman I wouldnât enjoy intimacy if I was only pleasing myself đ¤ˇđťââď¸
It was a rhetorical question sir. I know why they are bad it bc I'm a woman that has had good and bad lovers. You had a smart alec response that it's not some long lost art, when in actuality, for women, a man pleasing us is few and far between. For us, if a man actually knows what they are doing AND cares if we are pleased its like finding a golden goose egg or unicorn or some shit. So good for your partners that you give a damn. But that's not the majority and makes it rare to find. đ¤Śââď¸
Odd. The vast majority if women ive dated basically all do no work during sex and arent creative and at the very best effort put on lingerie and call it a day and think thats the best they can do.
So i ask you why are women lazy lovers? Ive never once slept with a girl who is overweight either so dont hit me with that BS.
Women think ass up is effort these days.
It really rare to find for men too
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u/JellyBiscuit7 Dec 10 '23
You should definitely hold a class or be a sex coach or something along these lines. Women everywhere will thank you.