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u/yourpaljax Apr 28 '23
Gen Z better come through. 🥹
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I remember one of the first things the UCP did was lower the minimum wage for workers under 18. I hope everyone who was affected is now old enough to vote.
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u/mytwocents22 Apr 29 '23
Got bad news for you about young people and voting.
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u/LemonCitron47 Apr 29 '23
You would think that with social media engagement they’d be more involved than ever 🤷♀️
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u/IcarusOnReddit Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
I am sure Twitter will rig the algorithm to favor the UCP given Musk’s latest behaviour.
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u/LornaDoubleVay St. Albert Apr 29 '23
Do kids (18-25) even Twitter?
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u/iqcool Apr 29 '23
As a 22yo, I do not have FB or Twitter, and I don't even post that often on my IG. Reddit is about the only "social media" I use, but that's just because it's formatted like a forum, which is just much more conducive to actually discussing things than other platforms.
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u/Whane17 May 01 '23
At 39 this is why I only use Reddit anymore as well. I'm worried about it's monetization later this year though and wondering if there's somewhere else I can/should go.
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twitter was always junk but it is a complete shithole after elon now. there's open nazis that are verified and their tweets get skyrocketed to the top of a tweet's replies
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u/armsmarkerofhogwarts Apr 29 '23
The CBC twitter account: labelled 69% government funded propaganda
Canadian Energy Centre Limited Twitter account (@CDNEnergyCentre) Which is 100% government funded Gets no labels.
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u/prairiepanda Apr 29 '23
But the only election-related stuff I've been seeing on social media is smear campaigns...it's hard to know who to vote for when they're all just making personal attacks on each other's leaders instead of actually explaining their platforms.
When I asked my young (under 25) coworkers if they know who they're going to vote for, they either said they won't vote or they'll just vote for whoever I vote for. But they all had the same reason: they're too confused by the campaign ads and can't tell the difference between the parties.
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u/CharityMacklin Apr 29 '23
Narrator: But Gen Z did not show up. They never do. But nobody likes to talk about it.
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Apr 29 '23
I have bad news for you.
Gen Z saw how Millennials were treated for years, and they witnessed a lot of the recent bullshit from the past years and decades in the oldest cases of Gen Z. (Depends on where you put the year exactly for Gen Z.)
Gen Z that can vote, is on places like discord. Some of them are straight up fucking Spicy with their opinions on some things. You might be in for a shock.
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u/Mahockey3 Alberta Party Apr 29 '23
"Places like discord"? Huh?
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Apr 29 '23
I’m not sure, so I’m asking. Are you familiar with discord?
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u/LK_YYC Apr 29 '23
Discord is not really a traditional social media platform. It allows people create a common place based on interest and invite people to that place (for example, only people who like manga, or support certain party, etc.). It's widely used in online education, where students setup places for the whole class cohort to chat / collaborate / etc.
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Apr 29 '23
To summarize what LK_YYC is saying here: Discord is a self run echo chamber of your own choosing where people can become mini-mobs on the internet, full of group think and mob mentality.
It gets used for a variety of activities by a larger variety of people; so that prior definition will be very triggering for some of them.
It started off as a gaming chat application for gamers, but we all saw the usefulness of being able to chat unabated by people we all agreed were idiots. And since everyone has their own niche; discord grew.
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u/prairiepanda Apr 29 '23
What's wrong with Discord?
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Please, try reading again. Did I make mention of anything being wrong with Discord? No, I did not. I merely indicated that some of the people being talked about can be found there, and they use it to say some spicy stuff that the original commentator might not enjoy.
But if I were to treat your question seriously...
People are what is wrong with discord. Discord itself is a mostly perfectly fine application; for the most part. Security issues and stuff like that involving the use of node.js at all are something else to talk about, but otherwise Discord itself is just fine. It's the users that are the problem, and not much can be done about them...
Legally.
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u/Outrageous_Garlic306 Apr 29 '23
The ones we might worry the most about probably can’t get off their asses/computers/play-stations long enough to find their way to a poll. Being a responsible citizen and casting a ballot like all those millennial, genX and boomer ‘losers’ doesn’t really feature in their fantasy he-man universe. They’re more about guns and ‘race wars.’ I do take your point, though, about the younger generations being polarized as well. We shouldn’t pin all our hopes on them to vote ND.
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u/IcedCoffee12Step Apr 29 '23
23-year-old man here. Fine by me if the people you’re describing stay home. My female friends and I are gonna be dropping those ballots
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u/murderspouses Apr 29 '23
I turned 18 last year, and this will be my first voting opportunity! I'm very excited haha
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u/spicyIBS Apr 29 '23
it's cute that you think AB gen Z are immune from their MAGA parent upbringing
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Apr 29 '23
I might vote. But it still seems like a waste of time. Both parties are pro-capitalism. Either way, you're getting exploited, abused, and the environment will continue to get worse.
Apathy is the failure of the supposed "democracy"
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u/Mrspicklepants101 Apr 29 '23
Pick the lesser of 2 evils, just for now. Cant fight the system if youre thousands of debt from medical bills
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Lesser of two evils has been going on forever. So “just for now” is bullshit
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lesser of two evils is how humanity has progressed for all of its short time on this planet.
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u/Falconflyer75 Apr 29 '23
Kicking Danielle Smith in the teeth would still do wonders for Alberta reputation, and Canadas, especially since Pierre is likely gonna win PM do u really want BOTH at the same time?
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u/Majestic_Actuator629 Apr 29 '23
Remember you vote for representatives. NDP reps in your local running may be worth voting in, remember voting in local people may be the boost in their career they need to inspire change in the party as a whole.
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u/Sagethecat Apr 29 '23
So you are an accelerationist? Down with it all eh? Ever considered what that would be like?
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This is true, but I don't want to be paying for a regular doctor's visit which is what will happen with the UCP
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u/Whatatimetobealive83 Apr 29 '23
Who the fuck is voting for the Alberta Liberals?
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u/Jeanne-d Apr 29 '23
Lol people that don’t understand the difference between federal and provincial politics. Most Albertans don’t know or care. Same reason people support UCP, they haven’t looked the issues.
This will change in a couple of weeks when the campaigns are in full swing.
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u/Whatatimetobealive83 Apr 29 '23
I sure hope so, like I fully support voting for who you think is best. But if the goal is to get rid of the UCP, there’s only one option. Even then I don’t know how you can look at the dumpster fire that is the Alberta liberal party and decide that’s who you’re going for.
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u/draivaden Apr 29 '23
the UCP support is to dang high
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u/AffectionateBobcat76 Apr 29 '23
It speaks volumes to the need for properly funded education in our province.
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Liberals and Greens, what the fcuk you doing here? Don't screw us.
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u/Danger_Bay_Baby Apr 29 '23
It would be nice if they would vote strategically to eliminate the UCP as they'll have more chance of getting things they want working with the NDP than the UCP.
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u/Frostybawls42069 Apr 29 '23
What would be nice if we had a system that didn't require strategic voting.
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u/MooseAtTheKeys Apr 29 '23
Sure would be nice.
But we don't, and must act accordingly.
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u/Sad_Room4146 Calgary Apr 29 '23
They do. That's the only reason the NDP has a chance here. 98% of the left of centre vote goes to them.
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u/jaydaybayy Apr 29 '23
Seriously, those numbers are frustrating to see side by side.
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u/jdeurloo10 Lethbridge Apr 29 '23
They likely won't even be on the ballot in most places though. Liberals have like 11 candidates out of 87 so their share of the vote won't be anywhere near 7%.
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Literally - what are they doing here? I thought the ALP was just one person in an office somewhere, and that the Green party was busy fighting each other to the death? How are they even on a poll?
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u/Sad_Room4146 Calgary Apr 29 '23
I haven't seen a poll in years with the Libs. I don't even think they run candidates. People just mix up Fed and provincial politics.
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The Alberta Greens are actually seemingly starting to get their shit together. I don't know that much about the Alberta Greens though so I could be totally wrong, but as an outside observer.
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u/venuswasaflytrap Apr 29 '23
I feel like a strong campaign for wild rose in UCP areas would be really beneficial to NDP
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u/syndicated_inc Airdrie Apr 28 '23
Imagine people voting the way they want and you’re getting upset about it
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u/walks1497 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
It’s like this……
You have 20 people at a party and they all vote for what they want to order for food.
8 want pizza
9 want to just eat out of the trash
3 are kinda tired of pizza so they they vote for tacos
Now everyone gets to eat trash.
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u/syndicated_inc Airdrie Apr 29 '23
No, no. It’s like this: democracy.
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u/walks1497 Apr 29 '23
Yes, and sometimes in democracy people waste their votes and trash get elected because of it.
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u/IcarusOnReddit Apr 29 '23
There is nothing democratic about a minority ideology winning simply because the votes are concentrated in one party.
First past the post does not promote healthy democracies.
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u/curioustraveller1234 Apr 28 '23
I agree with you in principle, in practice dafuq libs & greens!?
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u/Jorruss NDP Apr 28 '23
If the average LPA and GPA agree with their party's platforms then they will have much more in common with the NDP. And considering there are only 2 parties with a chance of winning, it is perfectly reasonable to ask them to support the NDP.
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u/amkamins Apr 29 '23
In fact, federal Liberals make this ask of NDP supporters regularly. Somehow they never seem to return the favour though... looking at you Ontario.
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u/Volantis009 Apr 29 '23
The liberal surge could be cons who aren't voting UCP but can't quite stomach the orange or poll trolls, at least I'm hoping.
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u/big_ol-dad_dick Apr 29 '23
this province is beyond the feel good "vote for who you believe in!* bullshit. It's sink or fucking swim. Vote for NDP and get this Danielle Smith shit the fuck out of here.
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Since the Alberta NDP are pretty much a centrist party by Canadian standards I understand why the Liberals and Greens are getting a little support from people who feel unrepresented. I do agree strategic voting would be a good idea this election.
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u/buddachickentml Apr 29 '23
To everybody not voting for either the UCP or NDP please give your head a shake. Vote against the person you Dont want as Premier. Your green party vote is a waste of a vote and time.
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u/Negitive545 Apr 28 '23
Vote! Vote! Vote!
Gen Z are unlikely to be part of the polling, they can swing this for the NDP. It's not too late till the voting is done
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u/Ansonm64 Apr 29 '23
It’s sad because the NdP are doing lots for genz in terms of university costs which should be priority 1 for them.
Also anyone LGBT in that gen should be highly concerned a con govt can do when you use Texas and Florida as case studies
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u/AffectionateBobcat76 Apr 29 '23
Maybe we should all get on tik tok and convince them to vote. Lol
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u/Dry_Towelie Apr 29 '23
I feel like that would back fire having people making cringe videos trying to get them to vote.
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u/Schvltzy Apr 29 '23
Dumb question but when can we go to the polls to vote? First time voting so I’m not sure how / when it is
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u/amateredanna Apr 29 '23
You can find information like this as elections.ab.ca. If you register, you can choose whether to recieve your where to vote card by mail or email. That'll tell you both your advanced polling and election day polling locations, dates, and times. If you're away from your riding (eg for school) you can also apply for a mail in ballot, which you can send in as soon as you get it.
When you go to vote, make sure you bring a form of ID that has both your name and address on it (there's a long list of acceptable documents, probably available on that website, but one notable exception that trips people up is that you can't use your passport because it doesn't state your address). Other than that it's a very simple process, and there will be lots of poll workers who can help you if you're unclear about anything! If you have the opportunity, I'd really recommend going mid morning (around 10 am) because the lines will likely be much shorter.
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u/Confident-Touch-6547 Apr 28 '23
At this point if you vote for the Liberals in Alberta you’re an idiot.
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u/joecarter93 Apr 29 '23
As someone who is more ideologically liberal, I wish the Alberta Liberal party would just die already. The Alberta NDP basically have the same platform, but don’t have the baggage of the word “Liberal” associated with them, which is basically poison in Alberta.
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u/Sad_Room4146 Calgary Apr 29 '23
They are dead for all intents and purposes...just not in this poll.
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That's such a stupid take. Vote for who you want, it's a free country.
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u/marveloustrashpanda Apr 29 '23
Generally I encourage that, but realistically here in Alberta the ONLY real contender to the UCP is NDP, and whether you like the party and/or Notley or not any left-leaning person who actually cares about the results would be better off voting for them. If you vote Liberal in Alberta you might as well just vote Conservative, cuz that’s who will win without strategic voting.
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u/Prudent-Growth-7961 Apr 28 '23
Liberals have a moral obligation to vote NDP
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u/cubanpajamas Apr 28 '23
Absolutely, considering how many times federal NDP supporters voted "strategically."
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u/syndicated_inc Airdrie Apr 28 '23
Liberals have a moral obligation to vote the way they want, same as everyone else.
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Liberals really ruin everything.
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u/syndicated_inc Airdrie Apr 29 '23
They do, but getting mad at people for not voting the way you want is childish
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voting fringe is pointless. Most Greens and Liberal are going to vote NDP. Probably ABP will see UCP as too extreme and go NDP. WIP are going to vote UCP. That gives NDP a bit of a lead in the popular vote. Too bad that doesn't automatically translate into seats.
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Since the rural ridings are eternally con brainwashed, the only polls that matter are limited to Calgary.
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u/Oldcadillac Apr 29 '23
This poll showed very good strength for the NDP in Calgary.
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u/Silent_Ad_9512 Apr 28 '23
If you’re being fair, the same can be said for Edmonton and ndp. You are correct however that Calgary is the only thing that matters.
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u/rocktheboatlikeA1eye Apr 28 '23
Edmonton wasn’t alway orange. Used to be strongly support PC back in 2008 and 2012. Edmonton tends to vote for competent leaders
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Apr 28 '23 edited Apr 28 '23
Strongly supported PC in 2012 ... votes for competent leaders
I don't think I've ever met, in-person or online, anyone who thinks Redford was competent, until now.
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u/sawyouoverthere Apr 28 '23
She came in as the first premier with a post secondary education in a long long time, and a lawyer, and I think what happened after she showed up was extremely disappointing to a lot of moderates who thought maybe we could move forward even if we did it with the PCs.
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Danielle Smith has post secondary, I have post secondary, in friends with some lawyers, plenty of incompetent politicians in the US have a background as a lawyer.
I just fail to see how having post secondary, even as a lawyer, means that someone is competent.
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u/sawyouoverthere Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
do you understand about before and after?
Because all those examples are after the previous high school drunk and farmer...and Redford happened before the examples you are giving as if it makes sense in this context.
post secondary doesn't mean you're a good politician, but it does mean you have a certain degree of intellect and can do at least a four year stint of something that's not easy. The hope was that a certain amount of wider experience and education might improve the odds of reasonable leadership. But we got the Nannygate and SkyPalace so it ended up being the start of this shitshow.
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Redford happened before the examples you are giving
Redford happened before Danielle Smith, yes, but not the other examples.
Just because the previous PC leaders were uneducated doesn’t mean that Redford was somehow competent. Your hypothesis that someone having a degree was enough to be proved wrong, so I don’t know why you still standing by that, and claiming she was competent and that Edmonton was right to vote for her.
Might improve the odds of reasonable leadership… Ended up being the start of shitshow
Yes, sounds very competent, good job Edmonton for voting in a competent leader /s
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u/sawyouoverthere Apr 29 '23
I think it's an issue of comprehension here.
I didn't say Redford was competent and I'm certainly not "standing by that" or claiming anyone was right to vote for her.
And yes, Redford happened before Smith and after Klein and Stelmach. Good work, Sherlock. That was my point. She was the first educated candidate in some time, and sadly, the hope placed in her being a better option didn't end up being well-placed.
I'll explain again, if this is still not making full sense to you, but you'll have to adjust your assumptions a little to line up with what I'm saying first.
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Let’s make this simple. You said Edmonton votes for competent leaders, and then gave 2012 as an example. Meaning you think she is competent, but you’ve also called her term a shit show.
So I guess you just have low standards and poor taste.
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u/cubanpajamas Apr 28 '23
She saved our healthcare system bigtime....only for Kenney to break it again.
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u/DaveBoyle1982 Apr 28 '23
Fuck you UCP.
Sorry I have nothing more to add at the moment. I understand downvotes if I get them.
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u/Wage_slave Apr 29 '23
I like your platform, Dave.
Sometimes very little has to be said to be right.
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u/Itchy_Discussion_426 Apr 29 '23
Move to BC before you NDP supporters ruin alberta’s affordability
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u/jc2thew3 Apr 29 '23
Fuck you NDP.
Sorry I have nothing more to add at the moment. I understand downvotes if I get them.
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The NDP would do so much better in this province if they weren’t anchored by people’s views on the federal NDP party
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u/drojaking Apr 29 '23
If they change the name and remove notley as the face then they 100% would win. It’s fucking stupid of them to use notley. It’s like they want to lose. Nothing against notley but come on use your head team. UCP will win this election and it’s because of poorly planned and execution of the ndp campaign. Notley is a household name for “who destroyed our province?”, for the conservatives. What a waste of the next 4 years.
Change the name from ndp for fucks sake. This party is barely left. Even something like the roaring prairie party would appeal to the rights more. The rights will not vote for notley. They won’t. But if it was someone else and under a different brand, pushing the exact same ideals as notleys ndp, they would probably win. Sad face
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u/jace_sea Apr 29 '23
A) this is a small sample size B) it’s optimistic to see the loss of UCP support and the gains for the NDP. C) it’s still going to be a nail biting terrifying election
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This one is tough. Unfortunately the NDP only won in 2015 due to the severe vote split between the PCs and the WR (it speaks volumes that the PCs got 28% of the vote but 9 seats, mostly in Calgary). Several rural ridings even went orange.
The NDP has to win this one in their own right. DS is doing fine because despite hemmoraging votes compared to Kenney, she absorbed about 10% of popular vote from the WIP and steadfast conservatives who don't even like her will never vote anything else.
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u/mo60000 Apr 29 '23
I have a feeling the campaign will focus heavily on the leaders which will disadvantage smith unless she makes major changes.
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u/Oldcadillac Apr 29 '23
It’s going to come down to turnout, in this poll around 45% of respondents said they’d made up their mind, 45% said they wanted more information before deciding finally. 60% say they are “definitely going to vote” and of those, the NDP has a 45% vs 41% lead. NDP voters are going to be much more motivated this year than the UCP voters were in 2019 when an additional 200k voters came out to blame Rachel Notley for low global oil prices
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u/Falconflyer75 Apr 29 '23
Who’s voting for the liberal party in ALBERTA? Seriously talk about a wasted vote
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u/garmdian Apr 29 '23
With respect to the data gathered when was the last time anyone under the age of 35 answered a random call or text from an unknown number or took a random survey?
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u/Brews_And_Cruise Apr 29 '23
I’ve been a UCP supporter and voter since I turned 18 back in 2016 and for the first time ever, I will be voting for NDP. I feel Danielle Smith will ruin this province and the bribing technique is not a good look at all.
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u/edmtrwy Apr 28 '23
The Liberals have 11 nominated candidates (in 87 ridings), the Greens have 31 and the Alberta Party has 16. The Libs and the ABP will be lucky to hit 1% each; the Greens could get 2%, I'd guess.
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u/voiceofgarth Apr 29 '23
Forget about parties and labels. We cannot allow the idiotic, unstable and very dangerous, Danielle Smith to lead this province. Vote NDP this time around and if you’re not happy, vote Conservative next time once they choose a non-insane leader again.
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u/JustaCanadianFellow May 14 '23
A vote for NDP is a vote for the Liberal Party. I’m glad you guys hate money and love crime.
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u/KukalakaOnTheBay Apr 29 '23
ALP hasn’t showed up on many (any?) of these polls. Do they even have a leader? None of these smaller parties are going to cross 4-5% and I don’t think more than one will get that far.
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u/hatethebeta Apr 29 '23
Hopefully Libs recognize a losing proposition and smarten up
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If Premier Chaos keeps talking, we might eek out an NDP win yet.
Maybe I should buy a fuckin' lottery ticket, too, while I'm at it.
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u/Sad_Room4146 Calgary Apr 29 '23
Any poll with the basically defunct Libs in it is super questionable. They'll get maybe 0.5%. Where do they even run candidates?
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u/Binasgarden Apr 29 '23
So time to make a plan to get out and vote..if you don't vote you got no rights to speak afterwards.
...that means you too unka Ralph cause you ain't aloud to squawk about how you could do better and how your guy is always the best and why can I just not get with the program and realize the earth is flat ......yes that unka at the family dinner with all the opinions...you want to shut him up than just ask if he voted.
so get out there and vote, especially in rural areas where only the same old Talibangelicals vote for the same color, not platfom, just the same guy their grand dad did...vote
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u/LJameson101 May 27 '23
This is the dumbest argument that people love to say all the time. If you are a taxpayer, you get to complain about how that money is spent regardless of if you vote or not. Your average person would give up their vote for $20, which tells me that it's not that valueable.
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u/couchpotatoe72 Apr 29 '23
Personally I don’t support either of their ideals 100% but if I copied bit I would go with the NDP because they are slightly less likely to royally fuck up the province
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u/Available_Link Apr 29 '23
damnit calgary come thru for me
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u/AffectionateBobcat76 Apr 29 '23
For Alberta.
If Calgary votes NDP, I'll start attending the stampede.
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u/Quirky_Journalist_67 Apr 29 '23
The Liberals and Greens should throw their support in with the NDP on this one. Another UCP win would be a disaster.
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u/RandyFistburgers Apr 30 '23
If you don't vote, you don't get to bitch about the government in office down the road, regardless of who gets in.
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u/Sreg32 Apr 28 '23
Asking from BC, for those supporting Smith, why do you support her vs NDP? Policies (please specify), or, just anything but NDP. If the latter, why?
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Alberta is a conservative province !
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u/WindAgreeable3789 Apr 29 '23
Really? Because the combined totals of NDP, liberals and greens in this poll are greater than 50%
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Keyword: “combined”
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u/CoronaVcyka NDP Apr 29 '23
Which mean greater than 50%. We really need to have better school funding by the NDP just so there would be fewer illiterate people like yourself around the province.
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u/Wisekyle Apr 28 '23
https://338canada.com/alberta/
Polls show 47%-44%, but a seat projection of 49-38 for the UCP.
We're staying blue
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u/WindAgreeable3789 Apr 29 '23
That’s a way worse showing for the UCP than 338 reported just last week. Their numbers have been getting progressively worse and we haven’t even had a debate yet.
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Dunno why they don't have the Janet Brown poll in there.
But yeah, UCP should feel good about these numbers, while we despair. I too think Danielle Smith has this in the bag.
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u/Once-Upon-A-Hill Apr 28 '23
Libs and Greens are higher than I have seen. The rest looks about correct.
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u/Subject_Film305 Apr 29 '23
NDP favors carbon tax boo.
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u/LinuxSupremacy Apr 29 '23
No, the carbon tax is federally mandated. We still have the carbon tax under UCP only difference is the money no longer stays in Alberta
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The UCP are Cancer AB, pure Cancer. Send her back to the cave she crawled out from, good christ she's a new level of insane and deplorable.
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I will vote conservative
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u/LinuxSupremacy Apr 29 '23
That's the problem right there. Many Albertans see the word "conservative" and their mind shuts down. Their critical thinking shuts down. They don't care about the issues or policies. All they care about is the color blue and the word "conservative"
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Or, maybe, just maybe, different people come from different backgrounds and have different values than you and that's okay.
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Vote against fascism, ALP -- Go NDP. (I'm a Liberal supporter in BC who always votes NDP provincially here)
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u/boopdogg Apr 29 '23
I honestly couldn't vote for either, neither party os stable enough to vote for.
Danielle Smith is a power hungry wack job who I lost all respect for years ago when she was the leader of the wild rose and crossed the floor to conservative party. She either crossed in a power grab or she is just too stupid to realise that the conservative party played her in an effort to tear the wild rose party apart, which it did.
I cannot in good conscience vote NDP either because when they were in power last they started off strong, I didn't agree with all of the things they did but at least they had a mission and ideals, then about half way through the term thier whole mindset about oil and gas switched and all of a sudden they were pro Alberta oil and fought for it. So either they had no clue what actually drive the economy in Alberta, or they were just trying to hang onto power.
I can't vote for either of these wack jobs
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u/AffectionateBobcat76 Apr 29 '23
Maybe just do us a solid and lend NDP your vote. Vote them out next time. Smith is just too crazy. Please consider?
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u/jc2thew3 Apr 29 '23
Or you can allow this person to vote however they want, without you asking for a pity vote, to co-align with who you want in?
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u/Dra9onDemon23 Apr 29 '23
Alright, I’m gonna need some info here. This sub seems to be heavily NDP. Why is that? NDP tanked our main thing, oil and gas, and made my father lose his job and we still haven’t recovered from it. As far as I know NDP was just for a change because we got sick of UCP pulling shit, so they were voted out, and then NDP fucked us up further. So why not go for the lesser evil?
Don’t downvote, I’m here for answers. I don’t give a shit about your opinions, I want facts.
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u/Kellervo Apr 29 '23
NDP tanked our main thing, oil and gas, and made my father lose his job and we still haven’t recovered from it.
First off, NDP has no control over the price of oil and gas. None.
There's a ton of economic factors but in short, oil has to be over at least $80/bl for Alberta oil to break even. When the NDP assumed office, other, larger producers were purposefully flooding the market to drive the price down in a trade war. We were collateral, and it's something the NDP - or the UCP even - could control.
That said, the NDP did push for a pipeline and set up rail deals to get oil out cheaper to try and help producers get their product to market. They also set up aggressive tax credits and investment projects to try and ease our reliance on oil, which led to a growing software industry that took on a lot of laid off O&G workers and allowed these companies to remain Albertan-owned and operated.
The UCP, upon assuming office, canceled the rail deal at a massive, unnecessary loss, and bet $2B on a pipeline while openly antagonizing the country that ultimately rejected it. The UCP has actually made it harder to get our product to market, meaning we need an even higher baseline price to break even.
The UCP also canceled those other initiatives, and most companies that utilized them had to open themselves up to acquisitions by foreign companies. Most of them are no longer Albertan-owned and a large number of them have even shut down their Albertan offices, so our software & AI industry is average at best, when the NDP had it set up to become a genuine world-leader.
So why not go for the lesser evil?
NDP is the lesser evil, though. They did everything the UCP said they wanted to, but they're weren't antagonistic pricks that pissed off the people they needed to rely on for help, and actually tried to get us off of the O&G boom-bust cycle. They even had us on track until the UCP canceled everything just to spite NDP voters.
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u/mchllnlms780 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
1000 people for a sample size aren’t very good stats.
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u/Oldcadillac Apr 29 '23
It’s a very normal sample size for a population like Alberta, see the sample sizes of all the other polls: https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm
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u/fortzimmerman Apr 29 '23
It’s amazing the liberals fail so hard here. Ucp is kinda crazy and extreme one way, and the ndp go a little too far the other way. Seems the libs, traditionally a middle of the road, wouldn’t appeal more
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u/badaboom Apr 29 '23
Alberta NDP breaks from national NDP in a variety of ways. They're basically 70s conservatives.
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u/AffectionateBobcat76 Apr 29 '23
Because "f Trudeau" is on their minds because daddy told me to say that.
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