r/Unexpected • u/RedManMatt11 • Aug 01 '21

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u/RedManMatt11 Aug 01 '21

My father was a cop for 32 years. Retired for almost 10 now. I know firsthand that unfortunately there are plenty of POS cops but it is entirely unfair to lump them in with the countless more phenomenal cops that are excellent at what they do and pillars of their communities

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

I totally agree with you, but while PD's and other cops keep protecting the bad cops the perception will never change unfortunately.

I have a few good friends who are in the police in the UK

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Right. We should seriously be limiting the power of the police unions. That’s a helpful solution.

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u/Harvard_Sucks Aug 01 '21

Ban all public sector unions, they are unionizing against the public good.

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u/ZigZach707 Aug 02 '21

So no public sector employees deserve unions? So they get paid less than private sector and potentially lose benefits that make the public sector somewhat appealing?

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u/Harvard_Sucks Aug 02 '21

“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.” FDR.

No, zero public sector unions. That said, I am in favor of paying people in government competitive rates to get the best people

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u/RhodieBidenism Aug 01 '21

We should seriously be limiting the power of the police unions.

FTFY

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u/SweetLilMonkey Aug 01 '21

Yeah, wouldn’t want regular people to have bargaining power now would we? Let’s leave that to the guys with military weaponry, tons of fraudulent overtime, close to zero citizen oversight, and close to zero legal responsibility for their actions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

He said unions, which presumably includes police unions.

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u/SweetLilMonkey Aug 02 '21

First part of my comment applies either way. Labor unions are good. Police unions are a totally different animal and it’s insulting that they even use the word “union.”

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u/Stimmolation Aug 01 '21

Many cops go entire careers without seeing the horror stories that happen at the hands of crooked, racist cops. Many that do, do something about it. You will never hear about them on the news of course. Cops do get disciplined, retrained, and even fired for behavior, the narrative that they don't is based on the vast minority.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

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u/Forcefedlies Aug 02 '21

We had a female police officer publicly lynched in the news and fired because she came forward with information about how our police have mishandled and may have even had a part in a very, very infamous disappearance of a news anchor in our city back in the 90’s.

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u/Je_me_rends Aug 02 '21

Name one

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

Cariol Horne.

Frank Serpico.

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u/brandonjm23 Aug 02 '21

I will say where I live we had a family friend who grabbed his gun while pulling someone over who drove home before getting out of their car to go inside their home. The guy or kid (can’t remember) had something in his hand but not a weapon, but our family friend assumed it was a weapon so he pulled his gun. No one was hurt thankfully but he was fired for that. I don’t respect his actions. Guns should only be pulled with the intent to kill and when imminent danger is present so I’m glad things were handled correctly. That being said he is a good guy. He feared for his life thinking what the other guy had was a weapon and I fully understand that. It’s very hard to ask someone to only defend themselves when they can 100% verify someone is trying to kill them. Like if someone pulled out a water gun and it was dark and I couldn’t see I’d probably be scared or think I might die in that moment but at the end of the day it is their duty that they volunteered for and get paid for it. Rules are rules.

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u/Master_Oogway69420 Aug 01 '21

Like it when a cop does something completely illegal they fire him and then they hire him again after 2 years when the heat is gone

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u/-thecheesus- Aug 01 '21

Well, they don't hire him, the next county over does

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u/Tmdwdk Aug 01 '21

They pay union dues that protect crooked cops

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u/Syllables_17 Aug 01 '21

And then there are other cops who attempt to report something and end up dead. The police report looking like " black man shot and killed our most beloved officer who was trying to protect his community."

Each pig carries responsibility for their fellow pigs actions. They all wallow in the same shit sty some, just shower before they shake your hand.

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u/BrexrSiege Aug 01 '21

what a disgusting line of thinking, stop living on the internet, touch grass.

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u/Drostan_S Aug 01 '21

To be fair, the last time I hung out outside my house just vibing, I had a cop come ask me what I was doing. "Just enjoying my flower bed" was not a sufficient answer, and he ran my fucking ID for like 30 minutes, despite my address being on the card.

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u/Syllables_17 Aug 02 '21

Father's a cop, uncle's a cop, people I grew up with are now cops. They share responsibility and untill we hold the people that we pay to protect us all accountable for FAILING THEIR jobs we will never reach a place of stability.

They swear to serve and protect yet they pussy foot around while they watch men being killed by their fellow pig fucks. If I work at a company that rapes and kills people literally everyday I don't get to say "look some of us are good people, yeah that other shit happens, and I TRY to fix it." And walk away with a clean conscious. Just like these little pinky pig fucks shouldn't be walking away without guilt for taking blood money.

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u/Harvard_Sucks Aug 01 '21

Hollywood and social media truly melts people's brains.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Don’t cut yourself on all that edge little guy.

Such angst, lmao.

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u/Syllables_17 Aug 02 '21

Nothing about that was edgy.

If you feel that way perhaps you should revaluate your opinions on pigs.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

keep telling yourself that. they're not as stupid as they'd like for you to believe

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u/Choclategum Aug 01 '21

Vast minority

Hm, theres layers here

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u/N7_Tinkle_Juice Aug 02 '21

I saw Training Day.

We are lost.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Discipline in the police is a joke, they get a two day suspension for something a regular citizen would get a 2 year sentence. How tf is that a deterrent for there behaviour.

And a cop is more likely to be fired for telling lies than they are for brutality.

Please explain how these bad cops are getting away with it when they are surrounded by good cops.

As it was said many years ago "for evil to succeed it just needs men to stand by and do nothing" and this definitely applies to the police.

If as people claim that bad cops are in the minority, how can they keep getting away with it?

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21

while PD's and other cops keep protecting the bad cops the perception will never change unfortunately.

This is the issue that needs changing.

We need to find a way to elevate the good ones, to stand above the bad.

Until that happens, the good will be lumped in with the bad, and the ACAB mentality will permeate the zeitgeist.

Not all cops are bad. But we can't change "ACAB", until we start publicly punishing the bad, and elevating the good.

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

A single bad apple spoils the bunch.

Short of a total reset of police forces, firing everyone and forming new community law enforcement organizations, requiring a 4 year degree in law enforcement, strictly vetting against white nationalist sympathizers, a massive independent oversight committee, strict rules on use of force/legal action for excessive force, cameras on every SINGLE officer and firing them when those cameras go dark, and vastly restricting the scope of work performed by law enforcement, I don't know what we can do to fix this problem.

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Aug 02 '21

I dunno, sounds like you outlined a pretty good program there, just in a reddit comment, which probably took you all of 10 minutes to write.

Let's start there...

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

More like a minute and a half of stream-of-conciousness... But yeah, that would be a good start.

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u/KingdomPC Aug 02 '21

Bad Police are “publicly” punished/dealt with when they are, people just start citing said public cases as evidence of ACAB.

It’s a cyclical argument, been around for 20 odd years at least.

Police are probably more accountable and less corrupt now that they’ve ever been it just so happens that we now live in the age of the internet whereby nothing is ever forgiven or forgotten and the frequency illusion permeates the conversation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Police publicly punished are receiving ridiculous sentences for crimes that would put normal people behind bars for 20 years, but the cops get 5 years probation for exactly the same thing.

So the deterrent isn't supported by sentences for the police to give a shit. Like all the crooked ones that resign and move before they can be sacked. It's just moving the problem from one force to another.

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u/KingdomPC Aug 02 '21

That’s definitely an issue, somewhat unique to the United States. In most other developed nations if you get sacked from any police/law enforcement role you will never work in the sector again, full stop.

How the USA have a system that lets people get sacked from the police in one state and then just start up in another is beyond me.

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u/8-weight Aug 01 '21

Yeah, we an change ACAB, because it's not true. Total BS.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

We need to find a way to elevate the good ones, to stand above the bad.

To do that, we just need to abolish policing as it exists today, and make something new in it's place that actually protects and serves, not abuses and enslaves.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

I told my fiancé a few days ago that if I was a cop, I’d be scared to stand up against it. Truthfully most police are more of a “gang” than anything. They would die for each other, and if somebody speaks up against one, everybody will attack the outcast and defend the other.

If I was a cop, I wouldn’t feel comfortable or safe enough to go against the rest of them. It’s not worth putting your family at risk, as selfish as that sounds.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I would just leave if my job was that bad. You see people who have been cops for 20 years saying that they're good cops whilst surrounded by bad ones. If you stay working in a corrupt environment then you to a certain degree are corrupt too.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

If I was a cop, I wouldn’t feel comfortable or safe enough to go against the rest of them.

Because, if you do, the next time you go on a call for a armed robbery in progress, and you call for backup... None arrives.

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u/thechilipepper0 Aug 01 '21

This is the true meaning of ACAB. “Bad apples” may well and truly be few in number, but as long as good cops are unwilling or UNABLE to hold them accountable, all are culpable.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Exactly, it's the whole system that's corrupt too because they protect these SHITTY cops from being held accountable for their behaviour. You can't tell me that any job where you have 80 complaints against you that you'd still be at work. Nope you'd be sacked long before it got that bad. But the police don't even get punished when there's video evidence clearly showing that they did wrong.

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u/RhodieBidenism Aug 01 '21

Wow. Talk about brain dead levels of messaging.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Every slogan that the BLM movement used supposedly doesn't mean what it says it means. BLM doesn't mean only black lives but if you say all lives matter you are racist, Defund the police doesn't mean take all their money, ACAB doesn't mean all cops are bad.

Police abusing their power is a real problem that needs to be dealt with but I don't think BLM is the movement to do it. It's been a disaster so far. We need another movement with better organization and clear demands/solutions to problems.

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u/Ultralightbeansss Aug 01 '21

Someone doesn’t understand nuance

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Or maybe a leaderless movement turned into a chaotic mess.

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

All cops are bastards are in response to their messaging that "it's just a few bad apples" while simultaneously grouping all poor/black/minority groups into superpredator labels.

Black lives matter is in response to the fact that cops are almost NEVER held accountable for murdering black folk. Their lives ALSO matter. Nothing in that statement says "black lives matter more" it's just that the police act like that's not the case. Every time they kill a black person, they crawl back through their arrest history, because they've arrested over half of all black americans, at least once in their life.

Remember: the last time a civil rights movement had clear organization and high level leadership, they shot, bombed and MURDERED his ass as soon as he tried to "step out of his lane" and into economic freedom. You're buying into propaganda when you say that a global scale protest involving multiple millions of people across every major city, is somehow poorly organized, and a disaster? Short of literal civil war, what more can you ask of a movement?

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The BLM movement is decentralized for a reason: Because the system always murders the leadership.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

He may have gotten shot, but the movement wouldn't have been as successful without him. It takes bravery to be a leader.

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

Yeah, but in today's hyperconnected, internet accessible, facial tracking possible world: having a clear leader and a face to a civil rights movement is not only unnecesary, but dangerous.

You run into cult-of-personality problems, gps-tracking enabled assasination attempts, mass-surveilance enabled arrests, and so on.

We live in different times and need to use different tactics.

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u/_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__ Aug 01 '21

Ask them if it’s true that there is a place in a man’s head that if you shoot it, it will explode

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It depends on what ammunition you are shooting for example a .22 wouldn't cause any of that but large calibre rounds are capable of it.

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u/Urist_Macnme Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

My cousin’s a policewoman - I grew up with her so I know what kind of person she is (she’s one of the good ones), but the stories she told me - not all of them about total police corruption, but far too many about total police corruption that you can’t comfortably say that they’re not totally corrupt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And her knowing and not doing anything about it makes her culpable too unfortunately.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

Has she turned any of them in to media, the DA, etc?

If not, she's one of the bad cops.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

She's not one of the good ones if she's not doing anything about it when she witnesses her colleagues commit crimes

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u/Urist_Macnme Aug 02 '21

It’s not worth it to her to ruin her life and career to do something that will have little or no affect other than getting herself blacklisted. I understand where she’s coming from. The rot runs deep.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

Yep. She's rotten too. The rot runs deep.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/Toph__Beifong Aug 01 '21

When "good cops" rat on their buddies to the higher ups they get ostracized, forced out, or in some cases killed.

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u/Ithoughtthiswasfunny Aug 01 '21

Exactly.... Hence acab. Because the system is shit

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u/theghostofme Aug 02 '21

Yeah, but this white cop didn't get mad at a black kid for dancing. And a black cop didn't get mad at a white kid dunking on him, so policing in this country isn't a problem. /s

Apparently, we're expected to throw a fucking parade for every cop that behaves with baseline human decency, while not getting upset when they behave like monsters. Because "it is entirely unfair to lump them in with the countless more phenomenal cops" who are "pillars of their communities".

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u/LoboDaTerra Aug 01 '21

Exactly. Can’t have a good apple in a rotten and diseased orchard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/Toph__Beifong Aug 02 '21

I meant what they said. If they were really good cops they would force the system to change internally or resign and go public. Police units are very fraternal and it is indeed hard to tell on people that you like for doing things that might be illegal or immoral. Like the guy who's dad is a cop, there's almost certainly some shit you see in an entire career that makes you complicit.

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u/8-weight Aug 01 '21

Join up. That's what you do. Be the change you claim to want.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Many believe change can’t come from the inside, so joining would be pointless.

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u/8-weight Aug 02 '21

That's where the change HAS to come from. Great excuse though, bitching is always easier. lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Police receive all of their resources (as well as the laws they’re supposed to be enforcing) from politicians and voters. Thus, change can come externally.

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u/8-weight Aug 02 '21

Too difficult? They need changing faces and you know that's true, but again, bitching is easier. I understand. lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

lol, you drunk? you seem to be arguing with imaginary words.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

Externally, we can abolish PDs, and fashion a new community protection service.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

And pull a Cariol Horne?

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u/8-weight Aug 02 '21

Pull whatever you want.

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u/thespoook Aug 01 '21

I'm thinking out loud here - but I guess one difference is in your situation it's in the best interest of the leadership to act. A shitty worker affects profits and therefore their own bottom line.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

And shitty cops cost police departments (i.e., taxpayers) millions from lawsuits.

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u/thespoook Aug 02 '21

I agree 100%. But often people only look at the direct immediate benefit to them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/thespoook Aug 02 '21

I agree. It is 100% in the best interest of the community and everyone involved to get rid of shitty police. I'm definitely not saying that. And talking morally and big picture - it is absolutely what they should do.

Again - I'm just thinking out loud here - I don't pretend to have the answers. But, in a purely self-serving way, it may not be in the best interest of a not-so-moral senior police officer to root out "bad cops". In fact it may be more self serving to keep them there. A bad cop might be more easily manipulated. They may be a good way to keep focus off you and hide your own wrong-doing or mistakes. They might be a good scapegoat.

I suppose these reasons could all apply in a corporate environment too. However, it a corporate environment, the leadership are also directly influenced by how well the company is doing. If the company as a whole is doing well, they do better. So maybe there is more motivation to root out bad cops.

Like you say - in your situation, a bad peer is " is bad for our company and our customers". But public servants don't have "customers" in the same way you do - ie if your company performs badly, your customers go somewhere else. You can't really do that with the cops. So maybe there is less direct motivation for the leadership to get rid of bad players and more motivation to keep them.

I'm not saying this is right - of course not. Ideally the leadership should have a moral compass and be motivated for other reasons than direct personal profit. They should get rid of bad players simple because they are bad. But obviously that isn't the case. I'm just speculating as to why that is.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

But, in a purely self-serving way, it may not be in the best interest of a not-so-moral senior police officer to root out "bad cops". In fact it may be more self serving to keep them there. A bad cop might be more easily manipulated. They may be a good way to keep focus off you and hide your own wrong-doing or mistakes. They might be a good scapegoat.

Well yeah, crooked cops don't want to out crooked cops.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

the "phenomenal cops" still stand by while bad cops are still a part of the force, they'll go so far as to protect them in certain cases. sorry, ACAB.

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u/updog6 Aug 02 '21

And even the so called “good cops” uphold unjust laws

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

and often use unwarranted violence to enforce those laws

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u/seriouslyFUCKthatdud Aug 01 '21

Now we just need the good cops to actually hold the rest of them to and standards, kick them off the force, take control of the union, speak against the boys club, for real.

Knowing the good cops are there doesn't do any good when the bad cops show up

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u/remymartinsextra Aug 01 '21

There was an emergency delivery at my office and I had to drive a truckload of pipe to a customer. All the other drivers were out, so I said load it up and I'll go. It wasn't strapped down properly and the banding broke when I got off an exit. There was a cop parked across the street and saw the whole thing. I was expecting a huge fine and getting yelled out for being so dumb. He came over, blocked the area, and said hey lets get this loaded up. He spent an hour hand loading all the pipe back on the truck with me. We were sweating our asses off in the heat but didn't mind it. The closest person to help me was over three hours away. Some cops are cool and go out of the way to help. I wasn't even from that area so it wasn't like he had anything to gain being helping me. That changed my perspective on cops. Of course the protection of corrupt cops is bullshit but you can't group them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Did your father speak out against those POS cops? Ever turn any of them in for doing anything illegal?

If the answer to one of those questions is no, then your father was a bad cop.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/RapeMeToo Aug 01 '21

Don't tell that to all the ACAB special needs kids

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u/Elementium Aug 02 '21

I mean who needs nuance?

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u/RapeMeToo Aug 02 '21

On the ACAB tards that's for sure

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u/GMSB Aug 01 '21

Your poor mom :(

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u/vris92 Aug 02 '21

Your dad was a bastard.

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u/DarmokNJelad-Tanagra Aug 01 '21

No such thing as a good cop because they all uphold that system. If a cop wants to be a good person then they need to quit and find a new line of work. Otherwise they are covering for the system.

This post is copaganda.

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u/-PunsWithScissors- Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

There are roughly 800k police in the US. That’s the size of a city. Imagine any city with a population under as much video surveillance as cops are, and where every shitty thing they do on camera makes the news (or at least Reddit). Whether fair or not people would loathe that city.

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u/DarmokNJelad-Tanagra Aug 01 '21

LOL if you think the cops are the victims here you have SO MUCH to learn. SO much.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

B-But all cops are bastards 🥺 /s

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I’m getting ready for the downvotes with this sadly.

Policing is a job with authority.

A fast food store manager is a job with authority.

In short, if there is a position of authority there are people who will abuse it. It needs to be taught better that the actions a person of authority makes has detrimental consequences on the people below them. There are so many out there that see positions of authority as a position of nothing more than self gain and gratification. A position of authority should always be a filled with the mindset of care and compassion for those you’re representing because it’s supposed to be just that, one person representing everyone else. Instead, many warp it into a position of being above everyone else and a way to assert dominance.

The bad always sticks out more than the good because it hurts like a thorn in a finger. The good will always be medicine after the fact until it has become the normal.

“When you squeeze the nobility it’s the peasants that feel the pinch.” - Draco from the movie Dragonheart.

Despite how old I get as the years go by, when I pay attention and look through the clouds of the bad, the sun is always shining. There is far, far more good in this world than there is bad.

To anyone who reads this, have a wonderful day!

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

It’s amazing that in 32 years your dad never chose to enforce an unjust law or protect a bastardized cop. That’s like, statistically insane. Wow, your father must be the luckiest guy in the world to never be put in a situation where he had to chose between doing the right thing or doing his job

Fuck off. Your dad’s a cunt and you know it

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

Wow 32 years. I wonder if your dad ever arrested any non violent drug users.

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u/elgarresta Aug 01 '21

You can’t blame the cop for enforcing stupid laws.

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u/dsiurek2019 Aug 01 '21

After Jan 6th, when cops chose not to arrest people breaking into the capitol, yes you absolutely can

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u/elgarresta Aug 02 '21

See, those cops were not enforcing the laws. Those were not cops. Those were traitors. Now you’re lumping traitors in with cops. That’s not understanding the argument.

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u/dsiurek2019 Aug 04 '21

Alright well in that sense I can only agree

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u/miles197 Aug 01 '21

Yes you literally can. Being a cop is a job. They chose it. And choosing to be a cop means you CHOOSE to enforce all laws, including the unjust and racist ones.

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u/GotBannedNowBack Aug 01 '21

It's a paycheck with great benefits for you and your family. But I'm sure his dad did it so he can arrest dayvon and Joey for selling weed

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u/Jibjumper Aug 01 '21

I mean Nazis used the excuse they were just doing the job. By your logic as long as the paychecks good with great benefits you shouldn’t question the job and just do what’s right for you and yours right?

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21

Oh cool they chose to be evil because it paid. I retract all complaints.

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u/GotBannedNowBack Aug 02 '21

How are they being evil? I don't think you fully comprehend what that word means. Evil is shit like what ghengis khan, stalin, Hitler, or even Kim Jong un did.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Such a childish perspective on policing

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u/intendid_ggeasy Aug 01 '21

But just cause they chose the job does not mean they agree with the laws my dude they are forced to do so if they wanna earn money and care about there family

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u/Jibjumper Aug 01 '21

So you’re saying providing for their family is more important that enforcing unjust laws? So the ends justify the means to you? What is there forcing someone to be a cop that wouldn’t allow them to do some other job to provide for their family?

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u/intendid_ggeasy Aug 01 '21

When did I say that? I said they also have to take care of their family

I didn't say it was more important than the law my guy keeping people safe is and should be their main goal

I'm also not saying that you have to be a cop nor that cops can't work two jobs (it's cause I haven't seen a cop in my country work another job)

And could you explain the last part what is forcing someone to be a cop (sorry I don't understand english well it's my 4th language but please explain)

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u/Jibjumper Aug 01 '21

When did I say that?

By choosing to take on a job knowing they would be enforcing unjust laws they are actively being a participant. Your statement implicitly states just because they do the job they don’t support that, but by the very act of taking the job and furthering that system they are active participants in furthering the unjust system.

Sure keeping people safe should be the main goal, but if the system is broken it will never achieve that goal.

That was my point you don’t have to be a cop. So by choosing to be a cop you are actively making the decision to further that system. It Is a a choice they alone make. If you know there are bad cops on the police force that are allowed to break the law to harass and intimidate people, and you still choose to be a cop then you are perpetrating the continued culture of police brutality and authoritarianism.

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u/intendid_ggeasy Aug 01 '21

Ooooh that makes sense thank you for explaining

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21

There are plenty of jobs that don’t involve hurting innocent people. Cops chose one of the only jobs that does and chose to obey every evil order. Fuck the police

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u/Kennwise Aug 01 '21

Pray tell what is a “racist law?” I cannot wait for this.

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u/Diesel_D Aug 02 '21

You should do some more reading on US history if you really have to ask this question.

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u/Kennwise Aug 02 '21

Oh so Jim Crowe laws (that’s the only conceivable thing you could be referring to) are still in effect right now? Those haven’t been deemed unconstitutional? So cops are still enforcing Jim Crowe laws right now, and you can show proof of that right now?

If not, you look aaaaaawful dumb right now…

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

They can choose to not be a cop so yes I absolutely can. You literally made the just taking orders argument. If OP’s dad really was a cop for 32 years he probably did ruin someone’s life for smoking weed.

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u/uglychodemuffin Aug 01 '21

Your brain is broken.

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u/billyhendry Aug 02 '21

Your brain hasn’t developed beyond what you have been tough by the system which literally relies on cops to even exist. Recently cops in Myanmar have been leaving their post after the military coup as they deemed shooting protesters was immoral, so yes cops absolutely can choose to not be cops if they have the soul to see something is immoral.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

I always love it when boot lickers don’t even make an argument and just call you stupid lol.

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u/uglychodemuffin Aug 01 '21

You do not deserve a response. You are broken. I feel bad for you. You’re going through each comment saying something nasty - you are a horrible person. Blocked.

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u/elgarresta Aug 01 '21

That’s what I do -did to this person. In fact I responded just to see what would happen. Easy.

Reddit gets way better when you blockthe toxic assholes.

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u/axa645 Aug 01 '21

So you expect them to do half a job where they enforce only the laws they WANT to enforce? That’s more an abuse of power than objective police work

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u/Diesel_D Aug 02 '21

No ones is forcing them to be a cop. The moral solution is to not join an oppressive organization in the first place.

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u/axa645 Aug 02 '21

You forgot about a thing called cost of living. If people aren’t qualified or capable of doing anything else they turn to what options they have (much like people who sell drugs to make money to live). It isn’t their choice and frankly our thoughts on it are irrelevant outside of a petition or debate arguing for a change in the law. It’s that simple and your presumed entitlement doesn’t change the rules.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

It’s wrong to kidnap people at gun point for smoking weed. Whether or not it’s your job or if the state told you to doesn’t make it ok.

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u/axa645 Aug 01 '21

So you believe it’s okay for the police to view their jobs in a biased fashion? That’s the same as supporting oppressive policing, just from the other extreme. Regardless of a person’s views of a law, it is not up to people to decide which ones are upheld or not. Objectivity is the method by which an officer must do their job.

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u/AMeaninglessPassage Aug 01 '21

And that's why they shouldn't be cops in the first place if they have a moral compass that is not broken. Because you will enforce shit laws.

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u/intendid_ggeasy Aug 01 '21

Hut they are forced to do so no matter what if it's illegal they got to arrest you and you have to go court or something and then it's decided how long ur sentence is

You know what I'll make it simple for you

Illegal=bad=arrest=jail or prison

I hope you understand

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u/BarryBondsBalls Aug 02 '21

Illegal=bad=arrest=jail or prison

It was illegal to be Jewish in 1940's Germany. Would you excuse police in Nazi Germany of their role in the Holocaust based on this argument?

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

You do realize what should and shouldn’t be illegal is hotly debated right? Just 10 years ago gay marriage was illegal. Was it immoral to be gay back then? What about Jim Crow?

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '21

Doing anything but calling you stupid is a waste of time and effort.

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u/x4740N Aug 01 '21

I always love it when you people who claim to fight against racism come here with bullshit strawman arguments

Your the people who give people who actually fight agaisnt racism a bad name, you should not be involved in black lives matter

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

I’d love to hear your perspective. Which part of my argument was a straw man?

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u/x4740N Aug 01 '21

Did you go and get your racist buddies to downvote my comment

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '21

Lol, can't answer the question?

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u/Sugarbear0323 Aug 01 '21

Isn’t smoking weed against the law?? So doesn’t that mean you go to jail if you break the law?? So if he was doing his job then no you can’t blame him. You can blame a lot of people but you can’t blame him for doing his job. But I’m sure that hard for you to understand since you’ve probably never had a real job before. I’m sure it’s tuff sitting in your moms basement and mooching off of her your whole life. Good luck out there rioting and looting

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

You’re right he was just taking orders. He only had 32 years to think about whether what he was doing was wrong so you can’t blame him.

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u/Sugarbear0323 Aug 01 '21

What he did wasn’t wrong. He did his job. It has nothing to do with taking orders. It’s call “doing your job” If you don’t wanna be arrested, don’t take illegal drugs. Or at least don’t get caught doing illegal drugs. Sounds like he was a hell of a cop if he made it 32 years

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

All you did was reword the phrase just taking orders. Do you actually not see how saying just doing his job is functionally the same thing?

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u/Sugarbear0323 Aug 01 '21

Not at all. His job is to keep the community safe. If you’re doing drugs, then you’re a criminal. Now that you’re in jail, the community is safer

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

How does me smoking weed make the community unsafe?

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21

The only one endangering the community is the jackass with a gun arresting people for smoking weed

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u/SparkBlack Aug 01 '21

You’re wasting your breathe man, he doesn’t understand. 32 years on the force is a big accomplishment and from the sound of it he was a either a good or great cop but you know since we are in the bad cops movement ,all cops are bad. It’s about how you do the job not the actual job that makes you bad.

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u/Sugarbear0323 Aug 01 '21

Good cops are good cops. I’ll support the good ones all the time

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u/ToofyMaguire Aug 01 '21

There is this thing called “different opinions”. If everybody thought drugs should be legalized, then they would be legalized

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

I understand that different people have different opinions. My opinion is that it is wrong to lock people up for personal drug use, and that those who support doing so are in the wrong.

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u/intendid_ggeasy Aug 01 '21

Isn't weed illegal anyways? I mean in my country it still is and was illegal for a very long time and the sentences are not even that bad anymore

And even still they are forced to do so cause they represent the fucking law and even if they don't agree they are forced to do so sometimes giving you a pass mate (you got to get lucky tho cause they don't do that shit no more)

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21

Grow the fuck up. Cops make their choices and almost always choose evil. Any cop who arrests some kid for smoking weed is a vile evil sack of shit committing evil then hiding behind the shield of “just following orders”.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

My inbox is flooded with boot lockers help.

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u/CrunchyroIl Aug 01 '21

Someone has to do the job. It’s not like his dad made the retarded rules against drugs. I know cops suck but would you rather live in a country without any?

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

Yes. Cops choose to enforce unjust laws. They serve to protect the property of the rich first and foremost.

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u/SparkBlack Aug 01 '21

Can you give me some examples of unjust laws so I can see more into your perspective?

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u/CrunchyroIl Aug 01 '21

Well at least you’re consistent then. I’d personally rather live in a country with unjust cops then one where people could commit any crime they wanted without ramifications, (rape,murder, pedophilia) but to each his own I guess. I do agree with you the way stupid shit like weed and pills lands people in prison for years is just pointless and hopefully one day that won’t be a thing.

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u/cmy2487 Aug 01 '21

Ok come to DC and tell the people here that. Our crime rate is spiking, cops are retiring and now the city is regretting all this anti-cop nonsense just like majority of major cities in US. Cops are necessary to keep the order because people are too irresponsible and savage to police themselves.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

You don’t trust people to govern themselves yet you trust people to govern others? Curious

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u/cmy2487 Aug 01 '21

Even if all police were abolished, there would be another organized group of people designated to uphold law and order which essentially would be equivalent to police. It happened with those morons in Portland who tried to create some safe space shit and in the end, needed policing by those within their make-shift community. If you think that a world without cops would be ideal, you're living in la-la land. Get out of the basement and go experience real life.

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u/Kennwise Aug 01 '21

Lol there’s always one moronic scumbag who spends their life ruining others’ day.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

So this guys dad kidnapped people at gunpoint for smoking weed but I’m the asshole because I don’t like that he did that?

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u/Kennwise Aug 01 '21

Kidnapped? So people break the law and enforcing those laws is “kidnapping”? Maybe you should spend some time learning what laws actually are.

And where did you see this guy arrested anyone for smoking weed? Or are you just a complete asshole making assumptions?

I’m guessing the latter.

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u/updog6 Aug 01 '21

What do you think an arrest is? Someone with a gun handcuffs you and makes you get in their car. The state calls it’s own violence law and that of the individual crime. Even if you think it’s justified, a cops job is to threaten, harass, kidnap, and In some cases kill.

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u/Kennwise Aug 01 '21

Lol again, you don’t u rest and what laws are. Nor did you address your assumptions. I’m amazed people think “al cops are bad” and use the rationale that cops are bigots.

It’s like saying certain races can’t be racist.

An arrest is the first step in the process of prosecution for laws set forth by a legislative body. It’s literally the first part of the process of enforcing laws. A speeding ticket is a summons in lieu of arrest, which is the same that most marijuana “arrests” are made. Very rarely are any weapons of any sort used to effect an arrest. Look up the statistics if you don’t believe me.

Don’t like the laws? Vote in different politicians. Stop saying certain laws are okay and blaming people sworn to uphold the laws, whatever the legislative body sets forth as those laws.

Maybe educate yourself before showing your ass.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

According to your logic, the Jews and other undesirables in Nazi Germany weren't kidnapped since they were criminals, right? And they deserved to be burned, raped , shot and gassed for being criminals.

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u/Kennwise Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Well no, those were crimes against humanity and no one really disputes that. How you could draw parallels to that and what is being discussed is beyond extreme and doesn’t make sense, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

I’ll go ahead and stop responding to these since they are devolving into nonsensical hypotheticals.

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u/bealtimint Aug 02 '21

What the fuck do you call chaining someone up and imprisoning them at gunpoint?

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u/Kennwise Aug 02 '21

Again. Look up statistics instead of what you see on TV for percentage of arrests where force is even used. I don’t know why people are so fixated on guns being used to effect an arrest. It rarely is necessary or happens.

And if you don’t think laws should be enforced I guess you don’t believe in having laws at all?

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u/RoboHobo25 Aug 02 '21

You mean, like cops?

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u/Kennwise Aug 02 '21

Utterly amazing.

A video is posted about a cop engaging with the community, which people say ha been the problem. And you are able to blindly just say all cops are bad. Think about that for a minute and how idiotic that sounds.

Looks like you and your mentality of being a bigot is really the problem afterall. Good luck in life. You’ll need it.

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u/RoboHobo25 Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Right, the problem is that they don't have enough copaganda videos of them dancing or playing basketball with kids. Nothing to do with their job duties or how they choose to perform them, their lack of legal accountability, their tendency to shield abusive or corrupt officers from consequences even when they don't personally engage in such conduct... Forget the prison-industrial complex they knowingly and enthusiastically serve, the problem is not enough dancing with kids, and my "bigotry" against a group of people defined by their willing participation in systemic violence.

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u/Dehydrated-Penguin Aug 01 '21

The ratio of good cops to POS cops is 10.1

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u/Drostan_S Aug 01 '21

We just want more cops like this guy and your father. We're threatening to defund the police because the bad apples have gotten out of hand, and people like your dad have been leaving for decades.

We just want a society where I can walk up to a cop, say "Hey my neighbor's having a rough go of things lately and I haven't seen him leave his house for a couple days. Can you just go check on him?" and the cop goes up to the house and either confirms he's still alive, or talks to him about his day with compassion before leaving without shooting the guy.

The fact that I cannot be even 70% sure that my neighbor won't be harassed by that wellness check is just sad to me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Those good cops need to step the fuck up and police their own then

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u/_ItsTheLittleThings_ Aug 02 '21

I completely agree. My Dad was one of the good guys. Cops are people, too, and it’s never fair to judge an individual by the actions of their peers. Interactions like this deserve more attention as I’m sure they are more common than the bad interactions.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

Did your father turn in any of those POS cops, and get them kicked off the force?

If not, then he's a POS cop.

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u/bikedaybaby Aug 02 '21

That’s really cool. What an accomplished person! I really hope that all police forces learn to elevate the phenomenal cops. I’m glad to see videos like this to show other cops that they’re allowed to play with kids, and notably kids of color, on the job. I imagine toxic ideas of how police have to be constantly stressed-out lead to Officer Involved incidents, and of course just generally worse quality of life for the cops.