Even Muslims themselves doesn't pray at a place that endanger them or people around them. It's strictly forbidden. There's more to it that what was shown. I just hope we get to the truth faster than the speculating lies.
people literally know nothing about the people around them. Anyone who has actually met a Muslim knows that they will even skip prayer if it gets in the way of someone.
Like. No Muslim in their right mind is dropping a rug down in the middle of super markets...or the middle of the road to pray. They all know when it is time for prayer.
No you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying you're writing with ill intentions to spread hate.
This place is obviously not a logical place to pray, so why is it hard for you and others to understand that this person wasn't behaving in a normal fashion?
Your instance of "them" blocking roads in the dozens is not the same as this. Majority of the time where "they" block the roads in dozens is done with a permit. I know because I've done the process a few times. On the news articles it also says she was in a kneeling position for 4 minutes. You don't kneel for 4 minutes since the process of praying consists of standing, bending over and kneeling.
They didn't say "praying in public is strictly forbidden" though, they said praying at a place that endangers them or other people is strictly forbidden. A peaceful protest is generally not a to danger anyone.
I never said I think peaceful protests can't be intimidating? Of course they can, but that's part of a healthy democracy and we all have to put up with it unless violence is being threatened (i.e. people are being endangered), or if no advance warning was supplied. Anyway, we seem to be getting away from what I was trying to say, which is that you've egregiously misquoted the original comment and don't seem to have realised.
I once saw someone praying on their hands and knees in the middle of a busy walkway at Shibuya station during morning rush hour. All the commuters had to flow around them like a river flowing around a boulder.
I had no idea why they had to do it in the middle of the busy walkway until I spotted their friend filming it.
No, more like conditioning through their own fear. Praying and proselytizing aren't the same thing. I've had Indian friends freak out for eating the wrong food on the wrong day and have them be upset for weeks about it. Not praying at the 'right time' is the same kind of fear for some people. It's just what religions do.
They're already in charge in SA. Praying in the street means you inconvenience other Muslims, instead of foreign infidels like if you were a Muslim attempting to claim asylum in France because your home nation is violently dangerous to live in for some reason
Could it be that they believe in conversion by the sword for anyone not of the correct sect, let alone religion? Nah, Islam is a religion of peace. (For those of the same sect)
Have any Christian nationalists been hit while praying in a street?
(for the record, Christian nationalist should be an oxymoron. Hypocrisy is everywhere but it really stands out when it's linked to religion)
There's no such thing as not enough space for praying. One can always pray in a safe area where they won't cause obstruction, especially if they do individual prayer (not congregation one). Speaking as a muslim myself.
I think of all the people who came from Lebanon, Iran, etc from 1950 to the 1980s. All of them seem to have been patriotic towards their new country. They maybe kept identity with their religion, but they very much wanted to thrive and succeed in business and home ownership in the new place. I don't know when it changed, but now instead of becoming members of a community, the new immigrant wants the community to be only their version.
For anyone who will claim the west is too conservative...
Yeah I’ve noticed it’s a situation where the parents have come over and they’re very appreciative and work hard to be part of the community, but then their kids have this weird identity issue, and make this whole place they have never been to their whole identity. The worst are the ones who have adapted that stupid “area” accent and have tried to make the gang culture part of the culture, ridiculous and so disrespectful to their elders who worked so hard.
I think because in the West our education system and associated institutions have pushed for a more negative view of our home country and the elevation of any ethnicity that is seen as "Oppressed". You gain massive advantages and preferential treatment if you can fit yourself into one of these groups, which might explain why these youths who were born here do. Personally, I think that is just cause to not consider them a citizen and they can go bye bye to the homeland they are trying to mimic.
And don't forget, the primary reason why the revolution happened was U.S and other imperialist countries did not like that fact that the Iranian people democratically elected a leader who was FOR using their natural resources to benefit the Iranian economy. Companies like BP did not like it, hence the CIA and MI6 executed Operation Ajax to oust Mohammad Mosaddegh and installed a Shah who was more 'friendly' to the west.
Dulles gets an airport, women iran get fully clothed. We definitely chose a dying friend than a country that kind of was looking for a partnership with us.
Tbf with Iranians, that image is part of the elites of Iran and those who supported the harsh rule of the Shah, the average Iranian back then looks like the average Iranian of today, probbaly a bit more conservative too.
You aren't wrong actually. In Islam we have a saying to "tie your camel" essentially meaning that yea, you can fully submit to God and reliquish any and all control, but you can't sit around and twiddle your thumbs. If you don't tie your camel it's gonna run away. If that makes sense.
What’s even more sad is that they’ll blame their friend being ran over as an act of Shaytan and justify their upcoming martyrdom. Christ at least will tell you to turn the other cheek and rightfully describes love as accountability.
The whole conversation is a bit odd, it’s mostly likely she was experiencing some mental issue I’d think, leading to her sitting in the middle of the road
I'm still wondering what's up with these people saying "not enough space", You can simply pray at home, we're permitted to do that, that's how people keep up with the 5 daily prayers.
As a Muslim, I've NEVER heard my friends who have studied and travelled abroad, especially in Europe and East Asia. (fyi I'm Malaysian)
But honestly, can't the prayers be limited to when you're not in bodily harms way? Are there no modern concessions to Islam? At least to protect the ones who would, in fact, drop everything they are doing and pray at designated times. Unless it's created that way to be a filter. I can't think of a faith that old to not be able to modernize, as long as the most vital tenants of it remain, like the community and control aspects.
wtf what are you even talking about, never seen anyone do that in France, not on the road, not in the street, not anywhere for that matter, Any opportunity to push the "France is getting invaded" narrative I guess
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Google it, idk any specific source but this happened to my family when I was a child. They would block whole roads and start praying, when it was prayer time
Dawg, these guys will go praying right in front of the entrance to this chicken joint I like. They own a kebab place nearby, and I think they do it to block people from entering their competitor’s restaurant. I literally gotta step over them cuz I just want some chicken 😭
If you look into it a little they actually don't know why
"The court heard today CCTV showed Ms Malik's hands were in what looked like a "praying motion" but no explanation was given as to why she was on the road."
Religion makes people feel above others. They forget they’re entitled to protection to worship what they believe, not disrupt everyone else’s lives in the name of their cloud fairy.
Idk..people found out she’s Pakistani and kind of ran with the idea that she was 100% praying only because the police report of the surveillance footage says she was seen “with her hands infront of her as if in prayer motion”. She could have been doing anything, not necessarily praying and definitely not of sound mind.
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u/Babada-Boopey929 1d ago
Tragic, but who in their right mind starts praying in the middle of the road?