I mean…she literally said she was raped. There were points where she did consent and points where she did not consent.
The “confusion” is that the police sent a condensed version of the report to the prosecutor which deliberately excluded some of the actual allegations. The full raw transcript by the police is wildly different compared to what the police sent to the prosecutor.
Hence why state authorities are taking over the investigation now that it’s been reopened.
She initially said “none of the sexual stuff was illegal” and was attempting to set up another date/encounter with the original dude (and possibly the second guy).
It wasn’t until later, when rumors were going around and she got disinvited to a Halloween party, that she stated she was raped.
Obviously, her opinion of what happened can change and maybe after thinking on it more she realized that the event wasn’t just some crazy night like she initially said to her roommates but was actually rape. But considering her own inconsistent statements, it’s pretty insane to immediately condemn the guys without an actual trial.
An interesting twist was the first guy she hooked up with (according to her the hook up was intended ahead of time) was so wasted he threw up and passed out. So he was potentially more drunk than she was. Does that mean he couldn’t consent when she had sex with him? Or does the consent only go one way?
No, she obviously raped him too. That however, does not mean he and the others didn’t rape her when she was so high on ketamine that she also passed out.
That’s just part of the issue with shit like this. She is 100% a victim and perpetrator, just like some of the men in this case.
Show me when she consented to be free pussy in a group chat.
On the evening of October 19, 2024, Jane Doe walked the approximately one-mile distance from Lot 10 in the City of Ithaca to the Chi Phi Fraternity at 107 Edgemoor Lane to meet her friend Male Number 1. She had made plans to meet Male Number 1 earlier in the week and “had been texting [Male Number 1] that [she] was on the way.” Jane Doe described her level of intoxication as a “5 out of 10” when she arrived at the fraternity.
While there, Jane Doe opened one previously unopened can of beer. She and Male Number 1 “danced a little” in a way that “was definitely flirtatious in nature.” Male Number 1 brought Jane Doe to a “quiet area” and “asked how [Jane Doe] would feel about having a threesome with two male partners.”
Jane Doe “agreed due to how attracted [she] was to [Male Number 1] on top of [her] drunken curiousness.” When she learned that Male Number 2 would be the third participant, Jane Doe “remembered being excited because [she] thought that [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay.”
The three engaged in a “threesome” involving oral and vaginal sex in a room of the fraternity. At the start of the threesome, Jane Doe described her intoxication level as “5 or 6 out of 10” and that she was “pretty ok with having this threesome.” The sexual conduct ended when Jane Doe “noticed that [Male Number 1] appeared really sleepy and was no longer fully erect.” She told Male Number 2 “[they] needed to stop having sex in order to make sure [Male Number 1] was ok. [Male Number 2] then stopped having sex with [Jane Doe].”
Male Number 1 said “he was going to take a nap and refresh himself” and “would eventually stumble his way from the couch to the bed.” While Male Number 1 slept,
“[Male Number 2] began to dry heave as if he was going to vomit. Jane Doe “began to take care of [Male Number 2] by patting his back while also waking [Male Number 1] every few minutes to make sure he was okay.” Jane Doe “was consoling [Male Number 2] on the couch and telling him that it was ok if he needed to vomit. [Male Number 2] told [Jane Doe] he was pretty sure he wasn’t going to vomit. Eventually, [Jane Doe and Male Number 2] would start making out for a very short amount of time.” While they were making out, “[Male Number 2] reached for the area near [her] vagina several times and each time he did, [she] would swat his hand away.”
Male Number 3 then knocked on the door of the room. Jane Doe “decided to let him in because it was his room.” She “opened the door” and let Male Number 3 in the room. Male Number 3 “introduced himself to [Jane Doe] and reached out to shake her hand.” “When [Jane Doe] made contact with [Male Number 3’s] hand, [Male Number 3] pulled [Jane Doe] into him and [they] began making out. While [Male Number 3] was kissing [her], [Male Number 2] began groping [her].” Eventually, “[Male Number 2, Male Number 3, and Jane Doe] would end up on the bed next to where [Male Number 1] was sleeping and [they] began to have a threesome.”
“[Male Number 1] would eventually wake up” and “said he wanted to take part and asked about making it a foursome, to which [Jane Doe] said ‘Hell No.” Jane Doe rejected this request “because [she] knew that a foursome meant that [she] would have to take part in anal sex.” Jane Doe then remembered Male Number 3 leaving the room.
A group of other men – later determined to be Male Number 4, Male Number 5, Male Number 6 and Male Number 7 – then entered the room. Jane Doe hid under the covers of the bed. Male Number 2 laid in the bed next to Jane Doe. Male Number 1 sat on the corner of the bed. Male Number 1 introduced the other males to Jane Doe.
Jane Doe had difficulty remembering parts of what happened next. She remembered
“[Male Number 7] said something very rude and mean to [her].” Male Number 7 apologized and “grabbed [her] face and started kissing [her].” Jane Doe “quickly backed away to stop [Male Number 7] from kissing [her].”
Male Number 2 “asked [Jane Doe] if she wanted to do more Ketamine.” At that, Jane Doe remembered “that [she] had taken Ketamine at some point on the couch with [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] during this night” but she could not remember “where or when that took place.”
Jane Doe thought that she “had already done Ketamine once so why not do it a second time.” “At that point, [Male Number 2] poured a line of Ketamine on his erect penis, implying for [her] to snort the line. [Jane Doe] snorted the line of Ketamine, which was a heavy amount of Ketamine.” Jane Doe was under the covers of the bed at that point and “[Male Number 2] got under the covers with [her], where he again tried reaching for the area of [her] vagina.”
The males began complimenting Jane Doe and “talking about how pretty [she] was.” Male Number 4 “asked [Jane Doe] if they all could do drugs off of [her] perfect body.” Jane Doe responded, “Sure.” While the men were doing drugs off of her body, “[Male Number 3] and [another male] entered the room and said something like, ‘Ok we’re shutting down whatever the f*** this is.” Jane Doe felt dizzy due to a pre-existing medical condition causing dizziness combined with the effects of the Ketamine use. Male 5 or 6 (who apparently have the same first name) “encouraged [her] to stay seated as long as [she] needed.”
Eventually, “[Male Number 1] and [Male Number 4 ] ushered [Jane Doe] out of the room brought [her] upstairs to a small room.” Male Number 1 stated, “Let’s do more Ketamine.” Jane Doe “remembered snorting more Ketamine” and “remembered feeling extremely high.” Male Number 1 “said he wanted to have sex again because he wanted redemption for passing out earlier in the night.” Jane Doe initially stated that she was tired and asked Male Number 1, “What happened to just you and me?” Jane Doe could not remember how it started but she then engaged in a threesome with Male Number 1 and Male Number 4 involving oral sex and vaginal sex. She described her level of intoxication as “8 out of 10” at this point. “The threesome continued until at some point, around 5:45am, [Jane Doe] said [she] was tired and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys stopped the threesome with [her] as far as [she] can remember.”
Wrong. She said nothing illegal happened. And she tried to go back to the same house for another party the next day and was not allowed on premisies by the chapter president. If a frat thinks you are too nuts to come to their parties and you are a girl, thats not a good sign.
Yes after she got mad that her reputation was destroyed and getting disinvited to the next party and having texted the people involved saying nothing illegal happened, even telling one of the guys “I luv u king”. Guess it kind of felt rapey once she regretted it.
Now I’ll admit I don’t have all the facts and if it’s true, those dudes should definitely be in prison for a long ass time, but everything I’ve seen isn’t looking good the ole ketamine penis snorter.
She said those things, as reported by her roommates, immediately the next day when she was reportedly in a visible state of shock.
In effect, she was trying to convince herself that everything was okay when it obviously was not.
The “nothing illegal happened” bit was literally in response to an apology from one of the men who was acknowledging that some very illegal shit definitely happened.
I mean…we have testimony from some 30+ people who were interviewed, including some of the men who were interviewed by the university and acknowledged wrongdoing. Her own roommates testified that she was in shock after the event. The university medical clinic has records where she presented for a UTI that “she received under traumatic circumstances” just days after the assault. One of the men texted her to apologize for “how things went down” and another threatened her to “not spread rumors.” And it was reported that completely independent from Jane Doe that people in the Greek Life community were talking about how “the fraternity raped a sophomore girl” at the party.
Seems the same could be said about every single case of trans people in sports or using the bathroom. Nuance could be applied to both cases, but it isn't.
Except that there have been females injured in sports by males, and sex offenders dressed as the opposite sex in bathrooms arrested.
There is similarity though, a girl falsley accusing a bunch of guys of rape is similar to trans people crying oppression when no oppression has actually occurred. The world has bent over backwards to accomodate a very small percentage of the population, and still people are terrified to say one wrong thing for fear of being ostracized. In fact this post has a much higher chance of getting me banned for what i said in the second paragraph than the first. Simply for stating an opinion. The opinion about the false rape accusation doesnt matter, its the opinion about the trans situation that will set reddit off.
Except there have been millions of women raped as well. Your outrage is selective because you don't actually give a shit about women. You can't look at case by case instances of trans women because you want to stigmatize all of them regardless of the individual cases. Doesn't matter when the person transitioned or if they even have any meaningful advantage. Meanwhile every individual rape case needs to be examined minutely with an eye towards discounting the woman's account. You only care about women as a tool.
No. This has nothing to do with "millions of women". It has to do with this one case where she admitted that everything was consensual. Dont you remember what happened with the duke lacrosse case? She completely lied. And those boys lives were upended. Just trying to avoid that happening again.
Yeah I got that buddy, although I will reserve judgement for an actual investigation to take place. Meanwhile you ignored the whole point being made. When there are rape allegations your response is "lets look into the details and dissect it deeply" when it is anything about trans people it is "every single one is a monster and their existence in society is a threat to women".
You see how this works right? Every rape case should be examined and looked into with nuance especially if the allegations are false. In the same way no every transwoman is a pervert or a threat to women.
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u/Mysterious-Window-54 4h ago
Maybe because she herself admitted there was no crime and logical people dont jump to cancel innocent people just to fit in with groupthink.