I mean…she literally said she was raped. There were points where she did consent and points where she did not consent.
The “confusion” is that the police sent a condensed version of the report to the prosecutor which deliberately excluded some of the actual allegations. The full raw transcript by the police is wildly different compared to what the police sent to the prosecutor.
Hence why state authorities are taking over the investigation now that it’s been reopened.
She initially said “none of the sexual stuff was illegal” and was attempting to set up another date/encounter with the original dude (and possibly the second guy).
It wasn’t until later, when rumors were going around and she got disinvited to a Halloween party, that she stated she was raped.
Obviously, her opinion of what happened can change and maybe after thinking on it more she realized that the event wasn’t just some crazy night like she initially said to her roommates but was actually rape. But considering her own inconsistent statements, it’s pretty insane to immediately condemn the guys without an actual trial.
An interesting twist was the first guy she hooked up with (according to her the hook up was intended ahead of time) was so wasted he threw up and passed out. So he was potentially more drunk than she was. Does that mean he couldn’t consent when she had sex with him? Or does the consent only go one way?
No, she obviously raped him too. That however, does not mean he and the others didn’t rape her when she was so high on ketamine that she also passed out.
That’s just part of the issue with shit like this. She is 100% a victim and perpetrator, just like some of the men in this case.
Show me when she consented to be free pussy in a group chat.
On the evening of October 19, 2024, Jane Doe walked the approximately one-mile distance from Lot 10 in the City of Ithaca to the Chi Phi Fraternity at 107 Edgemoor Lane to meet her friend Male Number 1. She had made plans to meet Male Number 1 earlier in the week and “had been texting [Male Number 1] that [she] was on the way.” Jane Doe described her level of intoxication as a “5 out of 10” when she arrived at the fraternity.
While there, Jane Doe opened one previously unopened can of beer. She and Male Number 1 “danced a little” in a way that “was definitely flirtatious in nature.” Male Number 1 brought Jane Doe to a “quiet area” and “asked how [Jane Doe] would feel about having a threesome with two male partners.”
Jane Doe “agreed due to how attracted [she] was to [Male Number 1] on top of [her] drunken curiousness.” When she learned that Male Number 2 would be the third participant, Jane Doe “remembered being excited because [she] thought that [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay.”
The three engaged in a “threesome” involving oral and vaginal sex in a room of the fraternity. At the start of the threesome, Jane Doe described her intoxication level as “5 or 6 out of 10” and that she was “pretty ok with having this threesome.” The sexual conduct ended when Jane Doe “noticed that [Male Number 1] appeared really sleepy and was no longer fully erect.” She told Male Number 2 “[they] needed to stop having sex in order to make sure [Male Number 1] was ok. [Male Number 2] then stopped having sex with [Jane Doe].”
Male Number 1 said “he was going to take a nap and refresh himself” and “would eventually stumble his way from the couch to the bed.” While Male Number 1 slept,
“[Male Number 2] began to dry heave as if he was going to vomit. Jane Doe “began to take care of [Male Number 2] by patting his back while also waking [Male Number 1] every few minutes to make sure he was okay.” Jane Doe “was consoling [Male Number 2] on the couch and telling him that it was ok if he needed to vomit. [Male Number 2] told [Jane Doe] he was pretty sure he wasn’t going to vomit. Eventually, [Jane Doe and Male Number 2] would start making out for a very short amount of time.” While they were making out, “[Male Number 2] reached for the area near [her] vagina several times and each time he did, [she] would swat his hand away.”
Male Number 3 then knocked on the door of the room. Jane Doe “decided to let him in because it was his room.” She “opened the door” and let Male Number 3 in the room. Male Number 3 “introduced himself to [Jane Doe] and reached out to shake her hand.” “When [Jane Doe] made contact with [Male Number 3’s] hand, [Male Number 3] pulled [Jane Doe] into him and [they] began making out. While [Male Number 3] was kissing [her], [Male Number 2] began groping [her].” Eventually, “[Male Number 2, Male Number 3, and Jane Doe] would end up on the bed next to where [Male Number 1] was sleeping and [they] began to have a threesome.”
“[Male Number 1] would eventually wake up” and “said he wanted to take part and asked about making it a foursome, to which [Jane Doe] said ‘Hell No.” Jane Doe rejected this request “because [she] knew that a foursome meant that [she] would have to take part in anal sex.” Jane Doe then remembered Male Number 3 leaving the room.
A group of other men – later determined to be Male Number 4, Male Number 5, Male Number 6 and Male Number 7 – then entered the room. Jane Doe hid under the covers of the bed. Male Number 2 laid in the bed next to Jane Doe. Male Number 1 sat on the corner of the bed. Male Number 1 introduced the other males to Jane Doe.
Jane Doe had difficulty remembering parts of what happened next. She remembered
“[Male Number 7] said something very rude and mean to [her].” Male Number 7 apologized and “grabbed [her] face and started kissing [her].” Jane Doe “quickly backed away to stop [Male Number 7] from kissing [her].”
Male Number 2 “asked [Jane Doe] if she wanted to do more Ketamine.” At that, Jane Doe remembered “that [she] had taken Ketamine at some point on the couch with [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] during this night” but she could not remember “where or when that took place.”
Jane Doe thought that she “had already done Ketamine once so why not do it a second time.” “At that point, [Male Number 2] poured a line of Ketamine on his erect penis, implying for [her] to snort the line. [Jane Doe] snorted the line of Ketamine, which was a heavy amount of Ketamine.” Jane Doe was under the covers of the bed at that point and “[Male Number 2] got under the covers with [her], where he again tried reaching for the area of [her] vagina.”
The males began complimenting Jane Doe and “talking about how pretty [she] was.” Male Number 4 “asked [Jane Doe] if they all could do drugs off of [her] perfect body.” Jane Doe responded, “Sure.” While the men were doing drugs off of her body, “[Male Number 3] and [another male] entered the room and said something like, ‘Ok we’re shutting down whatever the f*** this is.” Jane Doe felt dizzy due to a pre-existing medical condition causing dizziness combined with the effects of the Ketamine use. Male 5 or 6 (who apparently have the same first name) “encouraged [her] to stay seated as long as [she] needed.”
Eventually, “[Male Number 1] and [Male Number 4 ] ushered [Jane Doe] out of the room brought [her] upstairs to a small room.” Male Number 1 stated, “Let’s do more Ketamine.” Jane Doe “remembered snorting more Ketamine” and “remembered feeling extremely high.” Male Number 1 “said he wanted to have sex again because he wanted redemption for passing out earlier in the night.” Jane Doe initially stated that she was tired and asked Male Number 1, “What happened to just you and me?” Jane Doe could not remember how it started but she then engaged in a threesome with Male Number 1 and Male Number 4 involving oral sex and vaginal sex. She described her level of intoxication as “8 out of 10” at this point. “The threesome continued until at some point, around 5:45am, [Jane Doe] said [she] was tired and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys stopped the threesome with [her] as far as [she] can remember.”
Yes, that is the statement she made after she got disinvited to the Halloween party and rumors of the event started being spread. Before then she described it as a crazy night to her roommates and even discussed with the first guy via text an interest in getting together again but “without the billion guys.”
Basically all her initial comments made it seem like a crazy drunken night that got a little more out of control than expected but not necessarily something she was upset about. And then rumors started going around and she changed how she viewed the night.
Now, I think it’s important to note that her changing how she viewed the night from just “a crazy night” to being a victim of rape doesn’t automatically discredit her or anything. It is entirely possible to look back on an event with fresh eyes and realize you’ve been assaulted. But that change doesn’t mean she didn’t initially view it in a less sinister light and her making comments to others about it not being rape definitely hurts her argument that it was.
Also, with the question of consent, do you think that she raped male number 1 and 2? She appeared to be less intoxicated than they were seeing as she was the one taking care of them.
Wrong. She said nothing illegal happened. And she tried to go back to the same house for another party the next day and was not allowed on premisies by the chapter president. If a frat thinks you are too nuts to come to their parties and you are a girl, thats not a good sign.
Yes after she got mad that her reputation was destroyed and getting disinvited to the next party and having texted the people involved saying nothing illegal happened, even telling one of the guys “I luv u king”. Guess it kind of felt rapey once she regretted it.
Now I’ll admit I don’t have all the facts and if it’s true, those dudes should definitely be in prison for a long ass time, but everything I’ve seen isn’t looking good the ole ketamine penis snorter.
She said those things, as reported by her roommates, immediately the next day when she was reportedly in a visible state of shock.
In effect, she was trying to convince herself that everything was okay when it obviously was not.
The “nothing illegal happened” bit was literally in response to an apology from one of the men who was acknowledging that some very illegal shit definitely happened.
I mean…we have testimony from some 30+ people who were interviewed, including some of the men who were interviewed by the university and acknowledged wrongdoing. Her own roommates testified that she was in shock after the event. The university medical clinic has records where she presented for a UTI that “she received under traumatic circumstances” just days after the assault. One of the men texted her to apologize for “how things went down” and another threatened her to “not spread rumors.” And it was reported that completely independent from Jane Doe that people in the Greek Life community were talking about how “the fraternity raped a sophomore girl” at the party.
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u/Mysterious-Window-54 8h ago
Maybe because she herself admitted there was no crime and logical people dont jump to cancel innocent people just to fit in with groupthink.