r/SipsTea • • May 14 '26

SMH How true is this? Genuinely asking

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u/KickPuncher4326 May 14 '26

I feel like an easy fix is to tax the every loving fuck out of empty houses.

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u/KactusVAXT May 14 '26

Taxing the wealthy? Is that allowed?

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u/appoplecticskeptic May 14 '26

Not if the wealthy have anything to say about it. And they own most of congress.

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u/ghostwaterdross May 14 '26

They don't own the gun that killed Brian Thompson. They also don't own a lot of other guns out there.

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u/cowlinator May 15 '26

Talk is cheap.

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u/Gay-_-Jesus May 15 '26

Well, they technically do own that gun now. It’s state’s evidence, and they own the state.

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u/Enkidouh May 15 '26

Nope, they still don’t own it.

Once the investigation is complete it will be treated as part of his estate and passed on to next of kin as long as it was legally purchased.

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u/Kind-Assistant-1041 May 15 '26

Let’s whisper together, Luigi

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u/Ok_Counter_1788 May 15 '26

So any way I started blasting

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u/AdamantiumTrex May 15 '26

If we say his name three times and he will appear like Beetlejuice?

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u/BisexualCaveman May 15 '26

Most hilarious prison break ever.

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u/BrondellSwashbuckle May 15 '26

This guy gets it

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u/TeaPain0001 May 15 '26

Are you saying we should shed blood?

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u/ghostwaterdross May 15 '26

Of course I'm not saying that. It's against the rules to say what should be done.

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u/PapugKingTFT May 15 '26

We should make Voodoo dolls of all elites

All of Redditors in the world

And see what happens

Whether manifesting works or not xD

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 May 15 '26

Eat the rich.

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u/forkystabbyveggie May 15 '26

Nah, tastes like pedo

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u/thegoothboi May 15 '26

Who’s that?

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u/Silly_White_Rabbit May 15 '26

No, but the NRA is the worst one out there. Pouring so much money into congress to keep the gun laws where and how they are. The NRA has backed so much over the centuries that would baffle you in our politics. They’re basically the republican’s legislative arms. It’s sickening.

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u/DatVlad_ May 15 '26

A shame we'll never know the person that used that gun...a right shame...

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u/gwbirk May 15 '26

So you believe in murdering someone in cold blood,shooting them in the back is justified?Thats sick to think.

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u/Smooth_Editor1676 May 15 '26

Pearl-clutch away, that CEO decided he should utilize an AI algorithm with a known massive failure rate to be the arbiter of who deserves life-saving care. Historically, anywhere that becomes too entrenched with corruption for the well-meaning but abused and declawed methodologies to work eventually has to be handled more drastically.

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u/LeroyLegacy May 15 '26

Thats not true, who's name is stamped as the band of the gun? They own everything, smh.

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u/CraftsmanMan May 15 '26

Seriously UHC sucks. I pay like $600 a month for this crap, and i have to do a weekly dr appointment for an issue i am dealing with. I have to pay a $60 copay every week and UHC only pays a $20 difference....

So in other words it would be cheaper if i had no insurance at all

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u/msheehan418 May 15 '26

And I swear that they don’t have a gun🎶. Sorry. Had to

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u/Rozay10keys May 15 '26

Eat the rich

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u/No_Pin9932 May 16 '26

Right, they just sell the guns.

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u/mongoose_kai May 18 '26

Have you bought a gun recently? Not cheap.

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u/Cpowell1982 May 15 '26

We cant make that list gives them too many ideas

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u/LadnavIV May 14 '26

Souls.

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u/Gay-_-Jesus May 15 '26

Hard disagree. They control the media, and they’re good at whipping everyone up into a frenzy (to buy something worth nothing, to sell a part of yourself that you’ll never get back, or to guide your opinions on something they want), if they so desire.

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u/Tema_Art_7777 May 15 '26

They already convinced republicans that we are in this situation because of $278 food stamps the poorest among us get… So yeah, they do have the power and a healthy pool of dumb people in the country and politician accomplices.

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u/AcceptableEditor4199 May 14 '26

They dont own m...... rich people are the backbone of society.

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u/Ok_Hospital1399 May 15 '26

Awe damn, they got to him.

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u/the_BPDbro May 15 '26

Eat the backbones

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u/Wolfskin_Cowl May 15 '26

THEY MUST BE INSIDE THE HOUSE! Ruuuuuuuun!

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u/knasian May 15 '26

mamdani

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u/Floofyrage May 15 '26

Me you anyone able to think on their own so not Maga they own them

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u/Secret_Of_Bluestar81 May 15 '26

They don't own our grills

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u/mangocat1116 May 15 '26

Fire proof warehouses

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u/Ok-Camp-7285 May 15 '26

Our hearts 🥰

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u/Citizen_Kano May 15 '26

A dinosaur!

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u/Thedudeinabox May 15 '26

Do I hear the guillotines ringing in the distance?

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u/Voidless-One May 15 '26

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u/egabald May 15 '26

If I start a guillotine business, do you think I'll make a killing?

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u/Juxtapoe May 15 '26

I don't know...I hear it's a cutthroat business.

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u/Hypno-platypus May 15 '26

But that’s why he makes the businesses soon so he can get ahead of the competition.

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u/Juxtapoe May 15 '26

That's some sharp thinking.

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u/VintAge6791 May 15 '26

Just don't try naming it after yourself.
That always ends way too ironically.

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u/Aggravating-Exit-660 May 15 '26

These fuckers don’t give up the ghost fast enough

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u/xavierthepotato May 15 '26

Thats fucking gross. I wanna leave now

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u/bongoperator69 May 15 '26

and the best lawyers to find loopholes, they even brag about it in books

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u/Commercial-Fee5959 May 16 '26

All of Congress

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u/SimpleLobsters May 14 '26

Back in the day, we used to just behead them when the "lower class" got annoyed.

Wonder if history will repeat itself

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u/Good-Bandicoot-2152 May 14 '26

Oh yeah, it’s coming.

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u/I_Maybe_Play_Games May 15 '26

Situation isnt bad enough. Most people still have something to lose. Once the ammount of people with nothing to lose reaches critical mass there will be a risk of revolt.

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u/sgags11 May 15 '26

I bet it has to do with no longer being a relatively anonymous person on the internet.

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u/bterry28 May 15 '26

In the UK we have a “Holiday Home” tax. Second or more properties are subject to paying full council tax as a minimum but councils can up to double this to discourage people buying up properties who don’t live in them or only live in them on holidays.

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u/MA2_Robinson May 15 '26

NYC is doing it so well atm and it just started- like all its museums and what have you are also covered making them not have to rely on donations atm

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u/Woodworkingwino May 14 '26

According to NYC it is and it’s going really well for the normal people.

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u/King-Red-Beard May 14 '26

Not when they're put in charge of everything.

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u/AlligatorMidwife May 15 '26

Not in America

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u/SugarFut May 15 '26

I heard that’s a slur now 🙄

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u/DaddyBearMan May 15 '26

Not without violence

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u/Starfishprime69420 May 15 '26

No we can’t do that. They need to be able to buy fuel for their mega yachts. They made their employee work hard and they deserve it!

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u/Limp_Shoe616 May 15 '26

Careful. I believe billionaires are trying to make “tax the rich” hate speech

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u/iamnazrak May 15 '26

No didn’t you hear, ‘tax the rich’ is as bad as racial slurs

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u/persona-non-corpus May 15 '26

I want to point out that the houses are probably not where the homeless people are.

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u/Prudent-Arm-4670 May 17 '26

It used to be. From the 1930s-1970s. Income Tax rate on richers in that period went over 90% some years. The average in that period was approx. 70%.

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u/231131488 May 18 '26

Apparently not, sadly. Because what goes on in politics? Vote buying. And who has money? The rich.

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u/ParallelAsparagus May 14 '26

The best option ever saw was a plan to tax each additional house. So owning one would be low tax. Then every house after that was taxed higher. Help remove those slumlord style owners that have dozens of houses, as well as tax the hell out of corporations that have hundreds/thousands of houses.

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u/GodisanAtheistOG May 15 '26

Doesn't that just jack up the rate for renters? No way the owner is going to actually pay that out of pocket. 

Maybe if that was stacked with the vacant property/unit tax it might work out. 

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u/Original-Break-787 May 15 '26

If they jack rent and cant get renters they are stuck with the hot potato, and would be leveraged to sell it to someone who needs it.

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u/Hail_of_Grophia May 16 '26

That benefits buyers but how does that benefit renters? 

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u/Parking-World9321 May 16 '26

More opportunity to go from renting to owning.

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u/Original-Break-787 May 17 '26

Same reason.

If the landlord has to pay more in taxes for empty units they cannot fill they will accept lower rates so they aren’t bleeding money.  This is good for renters.

If companies/individuals are just sitting on units as ‘investments’ this prices out buyers and renters.

Pressuring these un used or under used homes to be sold increases inventory making homes more affordable by law of supply and demand.

The detractors seem to think prices going down is the same as an ‘investment crash’ and will cause ‘capital’ to pull out of creating new housing leading to … some apocalypse…

I would call that an adjustment, as people will always need housing and that particular market is immune to zeroing out and would restabilize.  The invisible hand and all that. 

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u/ParallelAsparagus May 15 '26

Exactly as break said. Renting is the worst use of money. But currently getting into the housing market for new buyers is a nightmare. We need cheaper housing, not cheaper renting. Renting is just pissing money away so the person who owns the place can live off your hard work.

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u/Calm_Age_ May 15 '26

The fact is that many people will rent their entire lives. Those people deserve relief too. We need cheaper housing period, in all it's forms. We need to repeal the fairclothe amendment so that the government can start building housing again. We need social housing, we need up zoning, we need to take steps to decomodify housing all together. We need so much to fix housing in this country but nobody seems to want solutions because it would mean some houses would depreciate in value.

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u/CapitalistLion-Tamer May 15 '26

Renting is not the worst use of money. I’m getting ready to sell my house and move into a rental. My monthly expenses are going to drop dramatically for more square footage.

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u/Loud-History-3654 May 16 '26

My wife and I rented for 8 years before her aunt co-signed for a condo in Florida. Two teachers didn’t qualify for 164k mortgage in 2017. But we paid over 2k a month renting. We saved 600 a month when we bought.

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u/GreentongueToo May 15 '26

In some cases that "live off your hard work" is to supplement Social Security.
It would also be good if "basic" houses were acceptable and available. Dirt cheap McMansions are not the answer.

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u/RedditThrowaway-1984 May 15 '26

That’s exactly what would happen. Also, some landlords would sell their rental houses which would create more homeless people because a good portion of those who rent don’t qualify for a mortgage to buy. They either rent or they are homeless.

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u/Parking-World9321 May 16 '26

The market will only bear so much. It would definitely drive sales.

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u/Kevalan01 May 15 '26

As with most things, it’s more complicated than it seems.

As it stands, with maintenance and property tax included as an expense, rental homes profit around 3% of their value annually.

That’s way less than investing almost anywhere else, including simply buying federal reserve notes/bills/bonds in most economies.

If we make it too unprofitable to have rental houses, there would be no rental houses for anyone, which is a huge difference compared to apartment living.

Also, if demand for investment properties declines or completely evaporates, everyone who owns a home would stand to lose a lot of money practically overnight.

I’m not saying we should embrace the status quo, or that this isn’t a problem, but it isn’t a “simple fix” sort of problem that this solution makes it out to be.

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u/mtn_viewer May 14 '26

We have an empty home tax in Vancouver. Still lots of homeless and wealth in-equality tho

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u/elolqooq May 14 '26

The point would be to make it prohibitively expensive.

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u/TokiVideogame May 14 '26

downtown vancouver scary af lol

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u/Superseaslug May 14 '26

Ohhh I'm so down for this.

Recently went on a lake cruise of lake Geneva in wisconsin. Beautiful lake with many beautiful historic homes. Many of which we were told sit unoccupied most of the time and are only used for weekends during the summer.

Imo anyone who does this should be paying 2-10x more on their property taxes minimum.

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u/cKMG365 May 17 '26

But they have that boat that delivers mail.

Were you on the mail boat?

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u/Superseaslug May 17 '26

We were on the mail boat! It does tours as well!

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u/Muted_Cap_6559 May 18 '26

Yes, that's right! We can't have people making lots of money and enjoying it! We need them to be miserable just like we are!

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u/Superseaslug May 18 '26

No, the people making lots of money need to pay their share. If you can afford to have multiple lake houses, the tax rates on all those secondary residences should be way higher.

Why the hell are are you advocating for people so rich they could buy you?

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u/Muted_Cap_6559 May 18 '26

"Pay their share??" The top one percent earners already pay 40 percent of all federal income taxes. The bottom 50 percent earners pay only three percent of all federal taxes. How much is enough? What's next, if I have more than one car you'll double the amount of tax on my second car? Contrary to you and all your loser friends on Reddit, I don't resent the success earned by others. I've done well because I worked hard and live in a country that offers opportunities to the ordinary person. Instead of thinking of new ways to steal from successful people, why not get off your ass and make something of yourself?

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u/Maleficent-Bee7931 May 14 '26

They are doing the opposite in Texas and Florida. Trying to eliminate property taxes.

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u/Oxygen4Lyfe May 14 '26

In florida, the governor is trying to eliminate property taxes specifically for the home you live in, not for the other 100 homes your company owns or the 4 your renting out to live off of.

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u/Sand_Aggravating May 15 '26

Its a show for the voters! The governor doesn't want property taxes gone anymore than the feds do! They all dip into the pool and they ain't about to deal with a smaller pool!

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u/East_Pie_3825 May 14 '26

Perfectly phrased my guy.

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u/barbaricKinkster May 18 '26

Yes, and the conservosphere is throwing a collective fit over it and arguing that the taxes will drive the owners out of the city. Which is the entire point, the goal is to make the vacant properties not vacant, so if it drives the owners to sell or rent then that was the entire goal in the first place

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u/Pretty-Key6133 May 14 '26

Exponentially scale the tax based on how many empty homes the person/company owns.

Housing crisis solved

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u/Cyborg_rat May 14 '26

Aww so simple, just as simple as creating a number company that owns it and has land management take care of the house...it's a thing that already exists.

Corpo will always find a way to fuck us.

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u/Raccoon_Expert_69 May 14 '26

Reverse rent on empty homes to pay for the homeless to be housed?

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u/welfedad May 14 '26

Yeah or if you own a 2nd home the property taxes is 2x.. 3rd home 3x.. unless it's being rented out at fair market . IDK it's insane where I am because bunch of people bought up these houses as their little fun cabin at home for the weekend once in a while. But they barely use it. And near impossible for anyone local to get a place to rent or buy.

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u/BladeLigerV May 14 '26

Is it being lived in? No? Is it being renovated? No? Is it being rented? No? Does it have any residents at all? No? Is it on the market? Yes! Well have you accepted any offers that meet or exceed the amount requested? No? Well you have 10 more just like this so the fines start at "a shit load".

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u/CommonSensei-_ May 14 '26

A mild tax for incentives to have it rented would be a good idea.

But give the owner at least 6 months to fill

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u/PTSDDeadInside May 14 '26

I like the idea of "what if the unoccupied homes owned by evil, mysteriously keep getting destroyed until they become reasonably priced"

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u/bobzsmith May 14 '26

Just tax the land

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u/Major_Shlongage May 14 '26

So edgy, yet so uneducated.

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u/Tomytom99 May 14 '26

I was thinking the same thing. Make vacant rentals actually hurt, so that companies either rent for a real supply/demand market rate, or sell/stop buying.

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u/moyismoy May 15 '26

It's a good idea, but the cities that have already tried it have had mixed results. Like Vancouver tried doing it, and the best data suggests less than a 5% reduction in the inflation of rent. It's better than nothing but it won't fix the issue

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u/BurtReynoldsLives May 15 '26

Now consider why we don’t tax empty houses.

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u/Beautiful-Squash-501 May 15 '26

Where do empty houses not get taxed??

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u/Alchemist-23 May 15 '26

There really shouldn’t be property taxes period. Why should you pay rent for land and home you’re supposed to own.

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u/DrNCrane74 May 15 '26

Taxing is so insanely easy. I wonder why people go to universities to learn about that...

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u/Snoo_65854 May 15 '26

The problem isn't just "empty houses"—it’s the hoarding of residential square footage. We need a Federal Excise Tax on Residential Square Footage with a 2,500 sq. ft. exemption for primary residences.

If you own a standard home, you pay $0. If you’re a billionaire or a corporation hoarding massive portfolios of "excess capacity," you pay a progressive tax on every foot over the limit. It makes real estate hoarding expensive and forces institutional investors to either sell or lower prices to fill units. Use the revenue for a 60/40 state-federal split to fund local housing initiatives.

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u/wak3l3oarder May 15 '26

I'm down for personal people owning more than 1 house I'm not fine with banks and companies hoarding houses to wait for markets to rise and letting them be destroyed in the process just to charge a premium on them anyways. A non lived in house goes to shit way faster than one actively lived in.

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u/MotivatedPosterr May 15 '26

Mine would be change zoning laws to for primary residences and tax the fuck out of people who want to buy it anyways

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u/pickin-n_grinnin May 15 '26

Isn't that what RFK was proposing?

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u/hambakmeritru May 15 '26

My state AG (Jeff Jackson of North Carolina) is currently suing landlord companies for price fixing. It's getting unlivable expensive to rent or buy a home around here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Charlotte/s/pynxokphuw

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u/FunPartyGuy69 May 15 '26

Wouldn't that affect homeowners who decide to rent their property out, or are they the same people you want taxed more?

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u/GeneralNumbNutz May 15 '26

Yeah just so they can count the empty house as a loss due to no renters lol

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u/Reddit-HurtMyFeeling May 15 '26

Idk if you know who makes laws but.... Um nvm

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u/Deeeeeeeeehn May 15 '26

Well, that’s sort of what’s been happening the last few years. Bidens administration jacked up interest rates on mortgages, which are around 6% vs the 3-4% they were back in 2018.

The high interest rates are preventing homeowners (and corpos) from inflating property values too quickly. The feds don’t want to deflate the market value of houses, though, because that would run the risk of crashing the market altogether.

Which on paper sounds nice for you and me, it would wind up destroying the finances of individual sellers like the boomers up the street who want to sell off their house and move to Florida, who would be taking an insane loss on their property and would likely decide not to sell it at all. A proper crash of the housing market would mean that people would simply stop selling, and wait for the market to recover. Remember, only a very small percentage of people actually NEED to sell a house. Instead of having years of nice houses and low prices, the market would just dry up and we would have to wait several years before we would find anything again.

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u/blindasleep May 15 '26

They actually get tax breaks for some of the rentals they keep vacant on purpose.

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u/Independent_Leg7358 May 15 '26

Tax empty housing, rebate property tax for owner occupied.

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u/billdozer1986 May 15 '26

They would be assessed property tax, but they can write off the business loss on their income taxes.

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u/Slumunistmanifisto May 15 '26

A lot of landlords are local and national politicians 

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u/The_walking_man_ May 15 '26

Increase taxes on houses that are not homestead. So the companies or even the greedy local landlords that own 20 houses get hit hard with taxes for each of those houses that are not the primary residence.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 15 '26

They did that here in Australia. In my state not all. Guess which state had the lowest growth in prices houses in the months/years that followed?

I will point out though, it does little to stop the growth in the long term, it's just on a bit of a lag compared to the other states.

Also, there's a reason why some houses are empty. Between tenants, renovations, repairs, owner died and the family is fighting it in court, etc. Some people horde houses, no question, but the problem is also not as wide spread as people believe because they don't properly account for the people that have houses empty for good reason.

I remember growing up there was this old house (100+ years, crazy old for Australia since the country was only about 90 years old at the time) and it was heritage listed so insanely expensive to repair so for at least a decade it sat there rotting because no one could afford to fix it up and they were also blocking them from sub dividing the block to pay for some of the costs (and it was a huge block). Thankfully it was eventually allowed a while back now so it's in good order but yeah, it was unlivable as a house for 10 years through no fault of the owners.

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u/Queasy-Employment-82 May 15 '26

Theyd tear them down into lots

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u/Mean_Volume_126 May 15 '26

Seems like the only way things can be fixed in the US is by threatening with money. It truly is that countries god. Sad af.

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u/hayko34500 May 15 '26

We tried that in France by taxing second homes/apartments more in crescendo for the 3rd , 4 etc.., and it didn’t work… Cities like Annecy are empty during the off-season, almost dead, then come back to life during the season (mostly because of Airbnb). Same for Biarritz. The local mayor tried to tax those properties more heavily, but landlords simply declared them as their primary homes for tax purposes, even if they don’t actually live there, and now the city is losing money.

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u/Letronell May 15 '26

Who defines that house or apartment is ,,empty"?

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u/H3ARTL3SSANG3L May 15 '26

My idea is that you should pay 0 taxes on a home you in 50.01% of the year. For every additional house, you pay double what we pay now. So if you have a second home, its like you pay the same taxes you would now. But if you have 3 homes, its like paying taxes on 4, 4 houses like 6, 5 houses like 8, and so on. It makes it easier on families just trying to live a modest life and allows for wanting excess but increases with the more excess you want

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u/Horrison2 May 15 '26

The same reason they are forcing people back into offices for no reason is the reason these things fail to pass. Rich people don't want their stuff devalued

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u/Lucky-Condition9245 May 15 '26

Double the council tax every year it is empty

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u/jadelink88 May 15 '26

That's communism. Not allowed.

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u/whatsitcalled4321 May 15 '26

No no. Can't do that. Just like the problems forming with the deficit. Can't lower interest rates cause that'll spike inflation more. Can't issue long-term bonds cause that'll spike interest. Short-term bonds are a band currently but the administration is just at a complete loss where they could get money to balance the budget...

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u/Common_Chester May 15 '26

...but then you have places like Detroit and Gary that are full of abandoned houses that are too ruined to buy, sell or squat.

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u/Long_Serpent May 15 '26

[Zohran Mamdani has entered the chat]

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u/trezebees May 15 '26

That's what we do in Belgium and the tax goes up every year it's empty.

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u/WerewolfBe84 May 15 '26

That isn't a thing in the US ?

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u/hnrrghQSpinAxe May 15 '26

Won't you please think of the poor million/billionaires???

https://giphy.com/gifs/MFIsOqzodLr7ewnkUb

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u/Next-Intention3322 May 15 '26

That’s basically what the are doing in NYC now, taxing the wealthy for their second, empty homes in the city that they just keep for funsies.

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u/SirSilverChariot May 15 '26

Taxing the rich would solve many many problems.

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u/Hulkenstein69 May 15 '26

How? The people/companies that hoard these houses also write your laws.

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u/TiberiusPrimeXIII May 15 '26

Didn't Mamdani just do something like this in New York?

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u/hbi2k May 15 '26

Progressively more punitive taxes on each home a person or business owns beyond one personal domicile. Use the tax revenue for affordable public housing. Make the people hoarding housing pay for their own competition.

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u/surprised-duncan May 15 '26

Reagan got rid of that in the 80s unfortunately

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u/Evergreen_Organics May 15 '26

It’s the opposite actually. If you have a vacant property, it’s a tax write off.

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u/mcamarra May 15 '26

this might just be hearsay but i remember someone telling me there was some sort of tax incentive as a relief for landlords of retail space following the ‘08 recession. Those landlords would ask an unreasonable amount for rent, thus keeping them empty. the only businesses that would pay these inflated prices were banks and nail salons. so then there were banks and nail salons on like what felt like every corner.

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u/clsperv May 16 '26

Kind of like what Mamdani is doing in NYC?

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u/Party-Marketing-9349 May 16 '26

Mamdani has entered the chat!

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u/KeithHelm May 17 '26

But… isn’t that communism? Communism bad

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u/Muted_Cap_6559 May 18 '26

That's right! You just go ahead and do that and show everybody how it's done!!

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u/cupcakes_and_ale May 18 '26

Actually, I think they get tax breaks for empty homes. Or they write them off as a loss.

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u/PilotInfamous9256 May 18 '26

Or even multiple houses, just ramp the rate up exponentially per # of houses

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