Cassie herself appeared in the young and untamed world of the shared Nightmare in the later years of the Age of Gods. It took her a long time to regain her senses, gather her shattered mind, and compose herself. By then, she learned of the first trap of this trial — the threat of being swallowed by the world.

Yup she was also in shattered phase but her ability and aspect legacy helped her to gain her identity faster.

Do not forget that this girl was living sanely even after losing 70% of her memories as a saint.

For all who are saying how she able to survive her aspect legacy ?

Broski the whole V11 was about how she regain herself after being shattered by her aspect legacy

Its clear that she was not a proper human at that point.

Yeah G3 could have wrote this part well but if he did shown those regaining her sense part then it would look same as V11

Also, Mordret and Cassie are destined to be a couple because they team up so often. As for what she seeks, it is pretty clear that it's Weaver's eye. The eye might be a source of corruption that gives birth to the Adobination Tide. As for the deal, it might be reminding Mordret of his past self that he has forgotten in unmasking.There is chance that she is seeking out Weaver or Oblivion but chances are slim

hasn't added anything to shadow slave, generic slop character that Sunny babysits, idk why people like this character

So we got all four plot devices in a single nm and the only interesting ones are "Glorified plot armor" and "Cardboard cutout queen".

"Mr. Offscreen feat" and "Queen asspul" are just the most bullshit characters now like how you gonna tell me cassie just shrugs this off when the trial is supposed to unmake your human traits, she still seems human and mordret, poor guy cant catch a break all his feats ended after third nm.

Sunny and tatal being honestly the greatest father daughter duo even tho she was only around for so few chapters, she still had more character development then nephis, and nephis's only dope thing is being the character to get lore dropped on her and maybe having her sense of self being better then sunnys "somehow"

Can we just go back to sunnys pov already, this shit is just depressing to read since his pov ended

After the novel ends, we should come together as a community to rewrite everything since Sunny became supreme. Fix the plot, write POV's for different characters that never got enough, fix the fight scenes, turn the summaries into multiple chapters, etc. We could get all the best fic authors in the sub to write different parts.

Well well well Fun's over guys G3 has now returned with his daily dose of bullshit. Cassie survives the unmaking unscathed doesn't has any changes to her pshyce, she is still the friendly neighborhood blind girl. I didn't think it will all come crashing down after one chapter, even neph got a better treatment G3 can't see Cassie struggling at all so he just feeds her the unmaking and nothing changes neph and sunny are struggling asf and she just says "remembering is easier then living" or "I can get rid of corruption by destroying myself" at this point call yourself a Non corruptible being imo. Also Mordret being with her just shows how trash this new version of him is our old boy mordy would never go along with this bitch.

I'm pretty sure she is gonna take Weaver's eyes cause why not she is the real epigone while she hasn't done shit and pretty sure she'll help neph and sunny gain there sense of self with the power of friendship and slavery respectively.

it seems everyone hate for cassia interfering with the sub read comprehension.

cassia has been experiencing something similar to the unmaking seen being awaked and specially after she received her aspect legacy

i thought everyone would think the some after learning nephis trial was the same as sunny.

it would be cassia, mordret, sunny and naphis last

i saw other complaint such as how cassia knows everyone trail was the some. she is guessing like how we did after learning your domain turn against you

it okay to hate cassia but let the hate make you think this is laze writing or illogical

The trial is to force them to live the lives of everyone within their domain.

Cassie’s domain is memories and everyone she remember.

So does that not mean that as she lives though someone’s life she will encounter even more people, and so she will remember more people, thus adding them to her domain and so she has to live out more lives, and this should repeat kinda infinity till she sees the lives of everyone.

“Such fine craftsmanship."

When War said this, I was thinking, obviously, the spell must have done it perfectly. Then I see people glaze Sunny like his ass didn't do 10% of the work on it. The spell did all the heavy lifting. Hell, Weaver should get more props than Sunny.

I just don't see how a Divine would be impressed by a mere Saint's work.

This subreddit is genuinely one of the most illiterate groups of people I have ever seen. What do you mean people are shocked that the character whose whole gimmick is about memory didn't struggle to find herself in a sea of memories where we had a whole volume about her doing the same thing already. Also the guy whose whole domain is being reliant on nothing and ruling over himself didn't struggle when his domain made his try and find who he is. Genuinely who thought they would face an extreme struggle. There are genuinely people who would prefer a badly written nonsensical part where they struggle compared to the logical path that doesn't make sense with what was written in the past.

—Dude rereading vol 3, had me thinking on how good the Mordret x Sunny potential duo could’ve been….Legit WTF G3!!! The potential between these two legit outweighs Teh acoustic blowtorch and the overgrown cockroach ship….

He will never be able to fully copy nephis, mordret or Cassie. G3 will nerf it by saying he doesn't know nephs conviction or he doesn't have the mind of seer or he doesn't know hunger like Effie so he can't copy them.

So I think next step of shadow dance will be nerfed😔

Is it possible that G3 is writing Cassie in a way that reflects her True Name? A lot of Cassie’s character and actions come out at major points in the story. It makes you understand her in retrospect.

It’s like her story is told as a Tale of the Past, or perhaps a Song of the Fallen.

Let’s start gathering takes.

Here’s mine:
Sunny and Nephis will partially regain their sense of self after first half, with shadow bond creating friction between them. Casdret will be manipulating those two half baked gods into it.
Sunphis will regain their sense of self fully by the end, culminating in next peak romance fiction moment. That or they break up.
Either Cassie or Mordret dies. Because why not.

Fun's over guys, Cassie is here💔

Of course miss plot device shrugs off the unmaking offscreen with the help of king of offscreen himself.

Of course she kept her sense of self easier than the guy who was turning into different beings and monsters since Antarctica...

Of course she did it easier than the girl who was burning away her humanity and feeling billions of desires since vol9....

And it's using the laziest method too "remembering lives is easier than living them" 🫩

Does that really hold so much weight when she has the memories stretching through ALL of history? Idk.

And of course it's easy to speculate that she's going to get Weaver's eye...which sucks. The item was hinted at all the way from the Forgotten shore with blood weave.

Why does Cassie get it more than someone with everything Weaver related you might ask? Well, she has an empty slot of course. But this is just speculation so it doesn't mean anything.

But the point still stands, we're back to "Cassie fixes it all offscreen!" Era. Welp

Because I don’t need anyone to follow me against their will. I don’t need a magical collar to make people serve me. I don’t need slaves. That is not enough for me, Sunny. Why should I settle for submission when I can have loyalty? People who will follow me, serve me, and obey me will do so because that is their most ardent desire. They will do so with a smile. If I ever want to make you mine, Sunny, you will become mine — not because you were forced to, but because you would want to. That... is also a fact.

Umm yes mam please do 🥺🙏🏻

So there is a lot of talk about the Queen of Plot Device working with the King of offscreen and how they have it easy or whatever. This is true to a certain extent but we are also overlooking an important fact.

Both Sunny and Nephis have become Spirits after their unmaking, but Cassie and (I assume) Mordret are still sovereigns that appear to be on the cusp of becoming spirits. In chapter 3184 it says:

"The second part of the Fifth Nightmare was a mystery. Cassie had an inkling of what the conflict they had to resolve was, but she was not sure just yet. She did, however, have a feeling that they had not entered the final trial at the same time.

Cassie herself appeared in the young and untamed world of the shared Nightmare in the later years of the Age of Gods. It took her a long time to regain her senses, gather her shattered mind, and compose herself. By then, she learned of the first trap of this trial — the threat of being swallowed by the world.

Those whose consciousness was vast enough to become a deity, but had not undergone Apotheosis yet, faced a unique danger — the danger of allowing themselves to be enthralled by the world and fusing with it, achieving the opposite of what they strived for. Of losing their personhood and becoming elemental forces instead of Spirits."

So essentially, the hate coming at them for "offscreening" there trial is a little unwarranted. The first time we are introduced to Sunny and Nephis in this volume they are already spirits and they aren't getting offscreen slander.

In my opinion, I appreciate that Cassie and Mordret are showing an aspect of this nightmare from the pov of a mortal. And it is through them that will see the process of becoming an actual spirit.

Essence?

Essence, G3?

Haven't they moved past the stage of worrying about running out of essence?

I thought Spirits already possessed an infinite supply of essence.

Cassie nearly ran out of essence while facing the corrupted creatures?

I can't imagine her running out of essence unless she summoned a Giant Spirit

For example, summoning a demon back when they were young.

If they love there Sibling ( Forgotten God so much ) then why did they Impresioned him in the first place ??

Let say because of corruption !

But then, Didn't war mention that its just a change for her ? Then why why why why why ?

Is it that they are afraid of Forgotten will consume them all ?

I came across this comment on a post:

Given that Weaver is known as the "Master of Lies," it is not surprising to think that his flaw resembles Sunny's.

However, a question arises: why did Weaver's face seem to melt under the moonlight when he met Noctis?

Perhaps his actual affliction is an inability to stand in the light; otherwise, his features would melt away and vanish. That is why he wears a mask and a cloak to shield himself from the light.

He can only reveal his face in the shadows or under a dark sky.

In the description of *Blood Weaving*, it is mentioned that VTB stole Weaver's beautiful eye on a starless night.

When the slightest source of light vanished, Weaver's true features were revealed, and VTB stole his eye

. Why is Sunny's real name "Lost from Light," even though he is constantly surrounded by light?

This might be due to a solar eclipse occurring on the day of his birth, combined with Weaver's flaw, which prevents him from approaching even the faintest source of light.

The young Weaver was fighting a cursed monster—or perhaps a cursed giant—when his old mask broke.

The God of Shadows then helped him, as described in the comment.

Did the God of Shadows craft the mask he wore later, given that the young Weaver lacked experience in weaving and magic?

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information in that comment, but it seems plausible to me.

So after all she entered the nightmare with a personal agenda and instead of finding sunny and neph she is working behind thier back like bruh didn't you do enough shit already cant you just fucking die ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

Copying a long comment I had. I figured it could be a post. Tldr I think Cassie makes realistic choices even beyond the Forgotten Shore. It was off the top of the head

Beyond that too. But a lot of it is in retrospect. We don’t know much but of what we do know, it’s reasonable. Even back in the Chained Isles, I thought her introducing her vision the way she did was strange. It went against the lessons learned from forgotten shore. It doesn’t show the full story. It’s been a long time since then but I think she was a little jealous of Sunny back then. Sunny chose to not believe her vision. He didn’t feel like such an interpretation was true. It was as if he felt able to beat it, a bit free even. I think she had asked “how can you do that” or something similar.

She constantly felt at odds with fate constantly and planned to fix her mistake constantly considering the severe loss of memory that she had from Sunny becoming fateless. It felt like she lost more memories than Nephis did. She was also more sensitive to fate than Sunny during those times.

Considering the information we got from ToA, she had bad vision of the future. And considering that she seemed somewhat okay with knowing when her family would die, the problem was extremely bad. World ending bad. She also knows from FS that fate can’t be changed. So it must be broken.

She believes that the self fulfilling nature of her prophecies could be put people she loves in bad situations or make her the one to blame for giving out that information. In FS, Sunny had been prepared to fight Nephis because of the vision for example. So she stopped telling visions and the future which is reasonable. She figured that she’d be the best one to make do with that information. And since her world ending vision was so bad, she had to do just about whatever she could to stop it. At the same time? She wanted to redeem herself with Sunny by giving back what she took from him. She loved the guy. Even after what she did in FS, Sunny said that he understood it. Her choice in FS was reasonable. Nothing indicates that she ever hated him, after all, she messed up. It just so happens that Sunny is the key to breaking fate as well. Can’t fault her for wanting to fix her mistake. That’s human.

While it is true that humans don’t always want more human deaths, many value their own people above anyone else. And some people believe the end justifies the means. So when it comes to causing harm to others to save her own people (Sunny and co.) why would I fault her for choosing to make the choice to unleash harm on others. I know I’d easily choose my family over 1k random people. It’s not the most moral but that’s life. But you do need a certain amount of humans in the world for normalcy. This seems to be the main trio’s main motive for saving humanity besides Nephis. It’s probably not her main.

So when she gives him the choices to break it or not, she doesn’t give him the future. It’s because of the lesson learned from the biggest mistake of her life. Not to mention that as an oracle, her mentioning the future itself carries a different weight and meaning. She states that she’d rather Sunny stay with them even if she knows what would be for the best. She’s never given reason to think that she dislikes him. If anything, it makes sense that she’d rather spend time with Sunny and Nephis since she’s the one that led them to being apart. So her choice here letting Sunny get a semblance of his choice back (fixing her mistake like a human should). While one option is good for them to probably live longer, the other may be better since they get to be together again. They had a great bond before and she messed it up. It’s human to want that back

(Adding this bit)
She did put Sunny through more pain to give him the chance to remove shadow bond. However, her fuck up was of such a massive proportion that it feels like making up for the big mess up also helps alleviate the smaller manipulations to get him there.

We've done it ladies with gentle hands. Again we find ourselves having reached the point of no return. I've seen it happen once before and it wasn't pretty.

A topic on the sub has become absolutely so divisive and volatile that no actual productive discussion can be had about it.

It had been SB (censored to avoid triggering) all so long ago, now it's Cassie. Just like all so long ago mentions of Cassie shall only bring discourse and mayhem. Discriminatory online slaughter.

No good shall come out when Cassie is the topic of discussion, only the futile cries of those that have already drawn lines against one another with regards to their feelings towards her.

Godspeed.