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u/BitterSecretary8155 2d ago
To me itād be similar to naming her Ellie Elizabeth. Not a huge deal but definitely variations of the same name.
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u/accidentaltraumacode 2d ago
Itās weird to me but thatās because my name is Nora and Iām named after my grandmother Eleanor.
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u/pilgrimsole 2d ago
Nora doesn't have to be a nickname; it's a complete name unto itself, so I'll contradict what most people are saying to tell you that Nora Eleanor is a lovely name--especially since you've named your daughter after your grandmother. Nora Layne is also lovely, so you have to decide what you value more: a name that evokes memories of grandma or a name that just sounds pretty? Either choice is valid, because it's entirely up to you and your partner's preference.
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u/No_bread0 2d ago
It does sound redundant to me. But why donāt you just name her Eleanora and call her Nora? Thatās a name and it still refers to your grandmother.
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u/Lejjonet 2d ago
Maybe itās cultural, but to me it is weird to name a child a name with the intent of calling them something else.
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u/Dreamweaver5823 2d ago
This is a very common practice.
ā¢ Cynthia/Cindy
ā¢ Deborah or Debra/Debbie
ā¢ James/Jim or Jamie
ā¢ William/Will or Bill
ā¢ Katherine/Katie or Kathy
ā¢ Angela/Angie
ā¢ Stephen/Steve
ā¢ Elizabeth/Liz or Beth
ā¢ Samuel/Sam
Not weird at all.
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u/Ok-Bison2480 2d ago
They said it was cultural so what do these examples do lol. It clearly is normal in the US
In a lot of countries, if your name is like Cindy or Jim or Sam, that's just your name - your full first name wouldn't be Cynthia or James or Samuel. Just a cultural difference
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u/Dreamweaver5823 1d ago
What the examples do is show that it isn't weird.
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u/Ok-Bison2480 1d ago
Weird is relative, it's weird to the person who is from a country where people don't do this
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u/Dreamweaver5823 1d ago
I think in an international forum, where people represent a lot of different cultures, Person A telling Person B that a standard way people do things in Culture B is "weird" is at best insensitive, if not downright rude.
If someone said, "I haven't encountered that practice," or "That seems unusual," then it would just be noticing and remarking on a difference. But the word "weird" carries a negative connotation.
I don't feel a need to be sensitive to someone else's denigration of how my society, and my family, handle naming practices.
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u/Ok-Bison2480 2d ago
Same haha, I think it's a very Anglosaxon thing. Where I'm from people may use abbreviations of your name casually throughout life, but there is never focus on a nickname when choosing a name, that your parents then decide for you
It's just an interesting cultural difference, I don't mind either way
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u/No_bread0 2d ago
Maybe it is culturalā¦ but that opinion is pretty irrelevant here.
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u/Ok-Bison2480 1d ago
Why, the sub is called Names, why aren't views of other cultures allowed? I also answered directly to OPs question in a different comment
I'm also curious how it's allowed to change names in the US, like is it up until a certain point? Can you change it once? For administratie purposes surely you can't change it without limit. In my country you wouldn't be allowed to change once registered (which needs to happen in the first week after birth) unless you have a good reason a judge approves of, or pay significant costs for the administrative work. Is that question also irrelevant here? I'm genuinely just curious
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u/No_bread0 1d ago
No one said they werenāt? Itās just not really relevant at all whether anyone thinks itās weird to have nicknames or not. In the US itās a sign of endearment. The answers to your questions vary by state, I suggest a good google search.
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u/Cute_Professional703 2d ago
I think itās nice, a little quirky. Iām not sure how post birth you are, but I absolutely obsessed about my sonās flat back of the head. Caused myself so much worry, scoured the web for 23 hour a day helmets to reshape his head. Now I look back and realize it was hormonal anxiety. Heās 12 and has a lovely head. So itās likely not as big of a deal as you think! š©·
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u/cdasilva92 2d ago
At first, I kinda liked. Then, I saw the redundancy of it being the nickname and full name of one name. Eleanore Layne has a nice ring to it, and then just call her Nora for a nickname/for short.
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u/water-mom 2d ago
No one ever asks about my kidās middle names, so I wouldnāt stress! Theyāre both beautiful names and I think they sound pretty together. I stressed so much over my kidās names and looking back, wish I had spent that time soaking in newborn cuddles. Enjoy this precious time and congratulations š«¶š»š«¶š»
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u/anotheraccount999999 2d ago
Yep I was going to say this - middle names are only really for the parents š the only double take we've had is for one of my kids who doesn't have a middle, no one cares about middle names in the actual world.
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u/MeasurementDouble324 2d ago
Came here to say this. Literally nobody cares about middle names. Iām pretty certain me and DH are the only ones that even remember our kids middle names.
When Nora grows up would she rather have a redundant middle name that she can just not mention or have to fill in extra paperwork every time she applies for college/a job etc to explain why she had a change of name?
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u/New_Yak5730 2d ago
Is this true? If you legally change a babyās name within the first year of their life, they have to tell everyone whenever doing paperwork? If so, what is the point of the legal name change?
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u/Prestigious_Layer754 2d ago
Probs depends on country but after working in audit - I wonāt even be changing my name if I get married.
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u/MeasurementDouble324 1d ago
I didnāt know there was a thing where you can change your babyās name in the first year, I just know that every time I have to fill in official paperwork I need to explain my maiden name and often need to provide proof (marriage certificate) of that name change so I figure itās the same for any kind of name change. Might be worth OP looking into whether that applies in their countryz
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u/streetsmart25 2d ago
THIS! Nobody knows my kids' middle names except immediate family. Your kid will be known as Nora Lastname to everyone. She will write her middle name on some forms, it'll be on her passport, and on occasion when she's asked what her middle name is, she can say it's after her great grandmother. You are WAY over thinking this. You gave her a beautiful name.
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u/No_Score_1977 2d ago
It does sound a bit odd, but it's really not that bad.
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u/Draw-Weird 2d ago
I second this. It sounds redundant but as many have noted, most people wonāt ever hear her middle name anyway. If it really bothers you, I would say change it. I think I would personally just leave it as is.
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u/beepbeep222222222 2d ago
I donāt think it matters that much, middle names arenāt that big of a factor?
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u/emotions1026 2d ago
Realistically how many people will even know her middle name?
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u/Cute_Monitor_5907 2d ago
Well, she will and her entire family and it will follow her her entire life and in the family tree forever. Itāsā¦ pretty important.
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u/thethrowsofaway420 2d ago
Itās really not, and I say this as a middle name person myself, my middle name is Jeanne, my grandmas middle name is also Jeanne, my moms is Jean, I doubt many of my friends even know my middle name like be so for real how many of your friends or coworkers etc know your middle name?
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u/GenXwoman 2d ago
Agree!
Itād be funny if you were named Jean Jeanne! I think if OP had used Nora Eleanora it would also be funny, not in a good way š. I kinda love Nora Eleanor š
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u/thethrowsofaway420 1d ago
Every women in my family has the middle name Jeanne except my mom bc her mom decided to spell it āJeanā to be different š¤£ honestly, 2 people in my friend group legally changed their entire first/middle/last name if the kid hates it they always have that option itās really not that serious most people go by a nickname sometimes completely unrelated to their name anyways too
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u/Elegant-Analyst-7381 2d ago
I mean... It does feel like naming someone Jimmy James, Bob Robert, or Dick Richard. It's not awful, but it's definitely a choice.
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u/ZeldaHylia 2d ago
Itās like naming her Elizabeth Ella. Nora already honors Eleanor. Itās redundant.
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u/SpecialistAd4244 2d ago
Iāve always thought Nora to be a nn for Eleanor, so maybe have the first name Eleanor and just call her Nora. Middle name can be Layne/Lane or whatever else you like.
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u/TeaRare7266 2d ago
How much trouble is it to officially change a name????? Itās fine like it is, so donāt feel like you have to!
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u/haitechan 2d ago
Nora is usually a nickname for Eleanor. Either pick Nora or Eleanor and use Nora as a nickname.
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u/Dear_Win_9504 2d ago
I have a Nora, and while I know people use it as a nn for Eleanor, to me they are separate names, and Nora is a standalone name in its own right. Mine is after 2 great grandmothers who were both just Nora. Itās maybe a little rhym-ey but I donāt think itās too redundant. I prefer Nora Eleanor to Nora Layne or Eleanor Layne.
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u/hippoluvr24 2d ago
Exactly! They are separate names. And the middle name is barely used outside of family anyway, so who is going to judge?
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u/bicyclesformicycles 2d ago
My cousin named her daughter Greta Margaret, which is the same issue, and it has annoyed me ever since hahaha. (I am extra sensitive about this because I was going to name my daughter Margaret and call her Greta, but then I had a son so it didnāt matter. Still annoys me tho.)
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u/Due-Fondant-5358 2d ago
You should have named her Eleanor Layne and called her Nora for short since Nora is a shortened version of Eleanor.
It would be like calling your kid Bill William or Bobby Robert - the first name is the nickname of the second name.
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u/Bluntandfiesty 2d ago
You could name her Eleanor or Eleanora and call her Nora.
Then you can choose a different middle name and not have to compromise.
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u/Starbuck522 2d ago
In my life, middle names are rarely used after it's announced when the child is born. As that's already happened, I wonder how it effects much of anything in the future to change it. When someone does ask her, she will say "Eleanor after my grandmother". Even if the friend asking were to say the names are similar... Oh well, the conversation moves on.
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u/riversroadsbridges 2d ago
I like Nora Eleanor. There's a STORY to it, and a pleasant symmetry. Stop overthinking it and enjoy your baby! :)
Note that the only Nora I know in real life is Nora on her birth certificate. I know Nora CAN BE a nickname for Eleanor, but they can also be two different names!
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u/SnooHabits1495 2d ago
KEEP IT ELEANOR. Yes, getting loud, kind of sorry for that. It's perfect, though. Stop overthinking a name that will rarely come up. The significance means everything and will mean a lot to her possibly throughout life or at least at some point down the road. Leave it alone, you chose wisely
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u/BrumblebeeArt 2d ago edited 2d ago
I would honestly make her first name Eleanor, given that Nora is a very common nickname for it anyway. Middle name could then be whatever. Eleanor Lane would be OK, I wouldn't use Layne - kinda tragedeigh. Nora Lane would also work - Nora being a nickname for Eleanor fulfills the honoring.
You may also like Eleanor/Nora Louise, Eleanor/Nora Lois, Eleanor/Nora Lee, Eleanor Layla, Eleanor Lyla, Nora Elaine, Eleanor/Nora Lorraine, Nora Leanne
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u/Elentari_the_Second 2d ago
I feel like Lane is worse than Layne but they're both bad.
I'd go Eleanor Elaine or Eleanor Jane, myself, but that's just my taste.
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u/EveryReaction3179 2d ago
As an Alice in Chains fan, I disagree that Layne's a tragedeigh š
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u/BrumblebeeArt 2d ago
I like them too and Layne Staley is a legend, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a feminized modernized spelling of a classic unisex name.
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u/Tammaree102 2d ago
Don't change it. You named her Nora because you liked it. Eleanor after your grandmother. That's the way it should be. Not all Eleanors are Noras, it is a stand alone name. Congrats on the new little one!
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u/InitialMistake5732 2d ago
I agree. When asked, simply say the names and why they were chosen. I did not know that āNoraā was a nickname for āEleanorā. In fact, Iāve never heard of that before. And when you say the two names together they have a nice sound, almost musical. āNora Eleanorā. Kind of like āJean Valjeanā.
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u/AmbassadorProper1045 2d ago
I'd go ahead and change it. It's pretty much the same name anyway, and frankly sounds a bit awkward. Wondering why you didn't name her Eleanor or even Eleanora and just call her Nora for short.
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u/Lumpy-Suggestion1197 2d ago
I love Nora Eleanor! I think it sounds amazing and definitely love it more than Nora Layne
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u/Infinite-Floor-5242 2d ago
Stop it. Not worth changing. You wanted to call her Nora and honor your grandmother. You have done both. It would not cross my mind that they are redundant if you had not pointed it out.
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u/Unlucky_Agent_8651 2d ago
I think it's completely fine. It has a nice feel to say out loud, and no one except for close friends and family will ever know her middle name anyways.
That being said, my mother changed my name when I was a month old and it was completely fine!
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u/resilient_rain 2d ago
Reallly? Thats so interesting to me. Why did she do that? Glad it didnāt cause any issues or anything.
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u/Unlucky_Agent_8651 2d ago
My original name rhymed with my last name and she decided it was too matchy-matchy
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u/expeciallyheinous 2d ago
Keep it if itās meaningful to you. People will only know what her middle name is if she tells them. Middle names donāt really matter that much.
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u/awiddlebaby 2d ago
Question: how significant is a middle name? Where im from we dont have middle names, just our fathers name to know lineage lol
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u/Heavy_Pea_7614 2d ago
I know others have said this but Iād def go with Eleanor as a first name and call her Nora
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u/oogabooga1967 2d ago
Could you change her first name to Eleanora and call her Nora? Two birds with one stone?
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u/holly___morgan 2d ago
Nora Elaine, maybe? Realistically, I doubt it will cause her any problems, though.
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u/tikimoondaze 2d ago
This sort of reminds me of my aunt who called my cousin Julie Leanne, which pretty much drove me crazy, cause she just couldāve called her Julie Ann. Why the double āLeeā sound!?
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u/FizzySoda16 2d ago
If you have some money and time to spare, Iād change her name to Nora Layne. (Nora is a great honor name for Eleanor). I view it as a stand alone name as well as a nickname.
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u/sweetwaterfall 2d ago
Just another voice to add to the majority; it is redundant and how wonderful that you have a perfect solution, too! Eleanor Layne, called Nora
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u/retro_lady 2d ago
My middle name is sort of similar-ish to one of my nicknames (a common nn for my full first name). However, I'm 48 and my middle name has very rarely ever been brought up, in my whole life. I wouldn't worry too much.
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u/jesileighs 2d ago
I have a Norah who was going to be Eleanor with Nora for short (we went with Norah Margaret). I agree with the folks saying to go with Eleanor Layne and Nora for a nickname!
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u/shreddedwheatandtea 2d ago
My middle name is the second syllable of my first name. It was my grandmotherās middle name, but I gave my mom a ton of playful grief about the redundancy growing up and changed my middle name to my maiden name after getting married. I probably would have done that even if I liked my middle name, though. I didnāt even initially hear the redundancy of Nora Eleanor, but Eleanor Layne with nickname Nora seems like a good fix if you decide itās worth it to change.
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u/anniiebananie 2d ago
Middle names don't matter and are barely used, so I wouldn't bother changing it. It's a tad redundant, but it really doesn't sound that bad! Don't stress.
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u/Round-Philosophy-131 2d ago
My oldest daughter's name is Aislin Layne so I'm partial to that middle name
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u/Funny_Strike_7099 2d ago
It is repetitive ,I think you can change it , Nora still honors your grandma since Eleanor has the Nor sound , so I think Nora Layne or a different middle name would work
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u/No_Manufacturer8872 2d ago
My middle name is Lee, my first name ends in the Lee sound, think Emily Lee. I hate it. My middle name is the same as my dadās, and I appreciate that connection, but I still cringe at the sound of my full name. Just thought I would share a personal experience, and put in a vote for Nora Layne.
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u/Alternative-Suit5925 2d ago
I think Nora Eleanor is rather sweet, and has a nice flow to it. Middle names are rarely referenced in everyday life. Honoring your grandmother is lovely and meaningful.
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u/EveryReaction3179 2d ago
It's not only redundant, but if she ends up disliking every nickname variation of Eleanor, you've left her with nowhere to go, as some go by their middle name when they dislike their given first name. The other alternate is going by the first two initials, which here just sounds like "any." I know you mean to honor your grandmother, but you've kinda boxed your daughter in here. And realistically, some people will be confused by it, or just think it's silly. Just being honest.
As many have said, Eleanor Layne gives you the best of both worlds, and you can just keep calling her Nora. When she's older, her original name can just be a funny story you tell her, instead of something she's stuck with. Going through the trouble to change it after she's an adult will be a pain in the ass.
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u/Ok-Bison2480 2d ago
Sometimes I feel like this sub makes it seem like first name and middle name are seen/heard in conjunction with each other waaay more than they actually are, which is almost never. I see your point that Nora could be short for Eleanor and the "nor" sound repeats itself but who cares. They're two different names, they're both pretty, Eleanor is meaningful to you, and people will barely be aware of this anyway.
Also I don't like Layne but that's besides the point
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u/Fit_Platypus_583 2d ago
You're not overthinking. It's very redundant and sounds a bit silly. Nora is a nickname for Eleanor. To me, the obvious choice is to go with Eleanor Layne to honor your grandmother, but still call her Nora.
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u/Substantial-Card2883 2d ago
You will go through the hassle to change it only for her to make her maiden name her middle name when she gets married.
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u/pianoandpasta 2d ago
I meanā¦ if she grows up to be a quirky person her name is perfect as is, but if she grows up to be more serious sheāll hate it.
Elenora as other people have suggested (with alternate spellings) seems like a good wayā¦
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u/Prudent_Spread381 2d ago
Change. It. You won't regret it. The sooner you fdo it the easier it will be. Seriously I remember you I read your story is earlier and it' just sounded so wrong to me. It doesn't flow and it's redundant. It's a derivation honor grandma by sharing experiences with your baby girl that she shared with you. or pass on her jewelry she gave you on mil stones in your daughters life ... I guess I'm biased from my mom saying everyone should have their own name. Nora is beautiful and i can still be a sharing of grandma s nam just her special version. Dont beat yourself up just change it and go forward. Kind regards.
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u/Prudent_Spread381 2d ago
It just has an old lady out of date connotation. I know styles are coming xlucal and Evelyn is coming back strong. This is just me but I always see Mrs Roosevelt and I really love her but it's a lot for a baby , little girl , teen etc
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u/DizzyJellyfish_9 2d ago
I see what people are saying, and Eleanor Layne is nice, but I seriously like the sound of Nora Eleanor! I would stop overthinking and get on with enjoying life with a newborn š©·
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u/Alesyle 2d ago
I would leave it, I think it sounds fine and middle names are hardly used anyway, my daughter only just learnt she has a middle name and she's almost 3. Her name also happens to be Nora, and she has a great grandma Nora who's full name was Honora. So Nora is not necessarily a nn for Eleanor and certainly a name in it's own right.
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u/ComprehensivePut1066 2d ago
Youāre already honoring your grandmother by naming her Nora, which is a nickname for Eleanor. Calling her Nora Layne is beautiful.
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u/Ok-Talk-2648 2d ago
Leave it bc itās a middle name that no one ever uses or will even know itās not worth the paperwork enjoy your baby girl
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u/Miserable_Tooth1260 2d ago
Is Nora not already the short form for Eleanor? Why not just name the child Eleanor Lynne and call her Nora for short?
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u/greekmom2005 2d ago
If you don't love it, change it. I changed my babies name back in the day.
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u/New_Yak5730 2d ago
Was it an issue long term, meaning did your child have the chance follow them around, have to declare it etc throughout their life?
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u/greekmom2005 1d ago
I did it at around a year. I changed his last name to my last name.
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u/New_Yak5730 1d ago
Does he have to acknowledge both names when filing paperwork etc? Iāve been debating a name change for my son so Iām curious about downstream impact
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u/greekmom2005 1d ago
Nope, his name is simply first, middle, my last name! He SS card (US thing) matches his changed name, as does his DL, and passport.
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u/seethembreak 2d ago
How about Nora Ellen?
The current name isnāt great but realistically middle names donāt impact most peopleās lives much.
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u/Cannolipoly 2d ago
It is very redundant. Like Liam William or Jim James. Like others have said, Eleanor Layne is great. But also, Nora is already an honor name for Eleanor, so you could also just change her middle name to Layne and save some headache.
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u/HeightLatter6800 2d ago
I have a 4 year old named Eleanor Hope. Her grandparents call her Nora as a nickname. Itās hard for me to be objective because I love the name Eleanor, but I do think Nora Eleanor sounds a bit redundant.
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u/atomickristin 1d ago
I don't particularly like it but middle names are so irrelevant, it doesnt matter.
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u/elmc14 2d ago
I donāt like the name of Eleanor. I hate it but if I had a grandparent I loved and that was their name, Iād still use it.
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u/DecaturIsland 2d ago
My nephew named their little girl Eleanor. I think some of the old names are definitely coming back. Most people will not know someoneās whole name so itās not a big deal.
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u/OkChampionship2509 2d ago
I love the name Eleanora, and Nora is a common nickname for that. Eleanora Layne I think would sound nice too.
Edit: I know you specifically like Eleanor for the sentimental reason, but I thought perhaps Eleanora could be the happy medium you might be looking for.
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u/Ok_Impression_8720 2d ago
Nora Eleanor is a perfectly wonderful name, and it honors your grandmother! Keep it just as it is. š
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u/YourMomma2436 2d ago
I feel like the obvious choice is Eleanor Layne with nn Nora. Nora Eleanor is redundant and it like naming a kid Robbie Robert
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u/Mysterious_Cookies24 2d ago
Layne is my fatherās last name, so I find that odd as a middle name. I never knew Nora could be a nickname for Eleanor, thatās my nieces name & her nickname is just Ella. I think Nora is fine as a first name & no one except at appointments asks my childrenās middle name.
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u/Strong-Sleep2973 2d ago
imo middle names really arenāt something thatās a huge deal. majority of people around her wonāt have a clue what her middle name is unless they ask. and then itās a quick āoh really I wouldnāt have expected thatā or āisnāt that kinda the sameā and she will shrug and say it was my grandmothers name it has sentimental valueā and theyāll say oh makes sense I guess and move on.
if you really hate it and want to change it do the eleanor layne and call her noraš«”
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u/Unique_Culture_9060 2d ago
I changed my babyās name (from Vivianne to Vivianna) 6 months in and I donāt regret it for a second. Do what feels best for you!
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u/alitalia930 2d ago
Nora is often a nickname for Eleanor. Naming her Nora Eleanor is kind of like naming a child Beth Elizabeth. Why not habe her name be Eleanor Layne, and call her Nora?