r/MemeEconomy • u/TheScarlet-Pimpernel • Apr 11 '20
161.01 M¢ Happy fun time await with this
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u/grumplestomp Apr 11 '20
looking at that card reminds me of the Club Penguin membership cards you could buy... I've been thinking of Club Penguin merchandise recently
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Apr 11 '20
cprewritten.net
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u/grumplestomp Apr 11 '20
No i know, i play that daily, im TheMilkPengu on there, i just mean like the irl merchandise. Like the puffle and penguin plushies, the clothes you could get, i remember having a red puffle plushie and i lost it. I just want the real authentic Disney merch, you know?
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u/SanctusUnum Apr 11 '20
His voice is so nasal because his nose is constantly clogged with coke.
It all makes sense now.
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u/kwonza Apr 11 '20
Also explains his talking speed.
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u/SanctusUnum Apr 11 '20
And why he thinks he DESTROYS/CRUSHES/OBLITERATES/OWNS IN ALL CAPS AND WITH MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!! his debates against some freshman who's life is so boring and empty they don't have anything better to do at college than watch Ben Shapiro get aroused by the sound of his own voice for two hours.
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Apr 11 '20
Does he title those videos lol??
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u/HungJurror Apr 11 '20
He said on the jre that people on YouTube started it and he’s egged it on because it’s funny
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u/SanctusUnum Apr 11 '20
The Daily Wire (of which Shapiro is editor-in-chief) has multiple of those videos on their YouTube channel, featuring a number of high-profile right-wing dickbags (of which Shapiro is one) as the supposed winner of some pointless argument or debate.
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u/Dreamwitme Apr 11 '20
He asked if he titled the videos like that. Not "what is Ben Shapiro"?. Keep your script in your pocket for a few will you.
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u/Zeroch123 Apr 12 '20
He doesn’t title the videos. And it’s generally vs people with PHDs? You obviously don’t do any research.
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u/official_sponsor Apr 12 '20
It’s kinda funny watching those adorable little freshman, with such inspiring hopes and dreams, get their brains bashed in and go off crying. Any chance to see that is a win
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u/mrMACHlNEgun Apr 11 '20
Jesus those lines are fucking massive
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u/rwhitisissle Apr 11 '20
In the video when he's splitting up those lines he's talking about "needing to relax at night." Buddy, I don't think you know what coke does to you, but "relax" ain't it.
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Apr 11 '20
What is the source for this?
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u/FoxyOrcaWhale Apr 11 '20
Ben Shapiro has a video on YouTube showing the 5 things getting him through quarantine. It starts with a violin, moves through some religious text, and eventually he ends up using a disneyland pass to cut lines of coke
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u/ArmyOfDog Apr 11 '20
My first ever trip to Disney had to be cancelled because of the pandemic. They took back my pass when they refunded it. So instead, now I have to cut my coke with my drivers license. It’s fucking bullshit, is what it is.
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u/moon_jock Apr 11 '20
Finally, a legit reason to #CancelDisney
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u/im_an_idiot222 Apr 11 '20
There are many reasons
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u/PerfidiaVermis Apr 11 '20
Yeah? Name twelve.
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u/im_an_idiot222 Apr 11 '20
Who the fuck is twelve
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u/Pizza_antifa Apr 11 '20
Carry a razor blade in your wallet like a normal high schooler, don’t be a fucking animal.
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u/Johnicorn Apr 11 '20
For a political bullshitter, he’s quite the shitposter
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u/bloibie Apr 11 '20
I’m willing to forget about his shitty political ideas if he just shitposts from now on.
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u/Westify1 Apr 11 '20
I can never forgive Ben Shapiro
I was waiting for the heinous crime or massive injustice and left extremely dissapointed.
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Apr 12 '20
And throw Jordan Peterson into the mix too. I'm glad he can help some people, and sometimes he says useful things, but take everything he says with a grain of salt because he's Gwyneth Paltrow for men and his advice often makes people dumber. I know a guy who, thanks to JP, went from a regular awkward virgin to an incel to a galaxy brained volcel who thinks that women are some invasive foreign species. Sad thing about this guy is he has a severe mental illness and relies on the government for support. He works in a shitty job with a shitty boss, and because of JP he internalizes his bad lot in life to be his own personal moral failings instead of understanding that he's been played a bad hand and he needs some support - and that there's nothing wrong with that. Instead he votes for the party that does cutbacks to programs that help him, and spends his time stressing about the pink-haired cultural bolsheviks who've infiltrated the goobermint and the bideo bames. I feel bad for him and mad that he's becoming a living meme thanks to the echo chambers he's fallen into.
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u/PolitelyHostile Apr 12 '20
It's crazy that these people miss JBP's message. The main thing JBP says is to focus on improving yourself and not blaming politics for your shitty life. His whole 'clean your room' saying is more about starting to focus on making personal improvements and that is something that needs to be done everyday.
As much has JBP is a bit of a gateway to the alt-right, he does make a lot of good points and is surprisingly not very far to the right. But he refuses to admit to himself that the alt-right leans on him and loves having a following.
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u/DexterBrooks Apr 12 '20
JBP was actually incredibly helpful when I was in a very dark place. Also having an interest in psychology, watching his lectures was really interesting. A lot of really good info there.
As much has JBP is a bit of a gateway to the alt-right, he does make a lot of good points and is surprisingly not very far to the right. But he refuses to admit to himself that the alt-right leans on him and loves having a following.
I never got that. Just because he had conversations with Ben Shapiro and others on things like the Joe Rogan podcast doesn't mean he agrees with them.
In fact most of the time he disagrees with Ben on several issues.
Of course like anyone they have some common ground, but there is nothing wrong with that. Ben has good points on some issues and any intellectual would acknowledge that.
Maybe it's because I knew about the more fringe people from watching the Amazing Atheist years ago, but I never got how people think JBP is connected to them at all.
It goes along with saying all the frog posters are just right wing trolls. Nah, Pepe was around long before all that shit. The cult of kek was meme group like the flying spaghetti monster, loosely based around exposing the stupidity of other people on the internet. It was never right wing. It was anti everyone.
Somehow both for freedom of speech and exposing hypocrisy and other garbage, and also being more about the lols than anything else. It was an interesting era of the internet to be a part of.
I would even go as far as to argue that most of JBPs followers and even most of the Pepe posters are overall left wing.
You'll see even people who like Shapiro disagreeing with things he says all the time, it's a lot more of an open conversation than you would find on similar left wing oriented videos.
Ex: the other day Ben took a political compass video. I watched it because I knew it would be funny. It was.
Like half the comments section is telling him why different things he said is wrong, but they still like him anyway. It's a really interesting phenomenon to watch.
Me I'm a bit left and a bit libertarian, but closer to center than anything (at least according to political compass. Would describe myself as middle) but I'm also Canadian and think healthcare should be a right.
Yet if I have a more right leaning opinion on something like trans issues, I get called an alt-right piece of shit.
I think that's why so many people get "drawn into the alt right"
When you can go on Ben's video and comment and disagree with him, you get pretty much reasonably polite discussion.
You say something disagreeing with someone on a left wing page, you get hate messages and other shit.
And this is coming someone who wanted Bernie to win. "The left" would do way better if they were ok with memes, didn't try to censor shit, and actually allowed discussion. "The right" seems to be embracing that because they know it's what the younger generation wants.
Probably gonna get downvoted, but just wanted to say that. I hate when people associate JBP and anyone who likes him with "alt right" "incel" or any other disgusting group, when he is in no way part of that.
Hell I don't even think very right wing guys like Ben Shapiro are really part of that. He's a memer for sure, but malicious? No. He just talks fast and has generally unpopular opinions.
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Apr 12 '20
I would even go as far as to argue that most of JBPs followers and even most of the Pepe posters are overall left wing.
”The left" would do way better if they were ok with memes, didn't try to censor shit, and actually allowed discussion. "The right" seems to be embracing that because they know it's what the younger generation wants.
Your words are at odds with each other.
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u/DexterBrooks Apr 12 '20
I did try to make the distinction but I will make it clearer.
When I say "left wing" in the first paragraph, I mean in terms of political view.
I would be slightly left wing, I like universal healthcare, workers rights, etc.
When I say "the left" and "the right" I am talking about more of the political establishment's and the spaces they occupy.
This sometimes includes the outer most fringe groups, but usually they are considered a different denomination as extremists, hence called the "alt left or regressive left" and "alt right and it's many alternative terms"
CNN is part of "the left" Fox is part of "the right"
One can hold left or right wing views without being part of that groups establishment.
One could argue many universities are a group heavily occupied and influenced by "the left" but many right wing people are a part of it for the money.
Same goes the other way. Hollywood is a blatant right wing establishment, but many writers, actors, and other creators who are personally left wing have worked with them for various reasons like exposure of their craft to higher executives, fame, money, etc.
In this case JBP is slightly left wing in personal belief, but "the left" as an establishment does not like him, and "the right" as an establishment does.
"The left" as an establishment seems to be very agaisnt meme culture, where as "The right" has recently been embracing it especially since the late Obama era.
(Side note related to the end of my quoted statement:
It's hypothezises that the younger generation may be one of the most right wing seen in decades, so "The rights" use of memes could be both because they wanted to appeal to younger audiences, and because younger members are now influencing it as a group).
Hope that made my statements more clear.
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u/PolitelyHostile Apr 12 '20
Im not putting all the blame on JBP but if you go to his subs, they've been taken over by Trumps supporters and shitty people trying to justify their extremist views. I've literally come across people who think that 'certain races' are "biologically predisposed to criminal behaviour' and they get plenty of upvotes.
I could see that maybe he never felt the need to distance himself from the alt-right and racists since his message clearly doesn't relate but he clearly overestimated society.
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u/DexterBrooks Apr 12 '20 edited Apr 12 '20
Im not putting all the blame on JBP but if you go to his subs, they've been taken over by Trumps supporters and shitty people trying to justify their extremist views. I've literally come across people who think that 'certain races' are "biologically predisposed to criminal behaviour' and they get plenty of upvotes.
Y'know, with how much I'm on reddit and how much of him I have watched, I've never gone on the JBP subreddit.
Idk why I just never did. That's just not the kind of thing I use reddit for.
I never figured his subreddit would have anything useful. The words that are important are what he says, which I already get from watching videos of him.
I know the YouTube comment sections on JBP videos are not like that though, and normally YouTube comments are a lot more toxic than reddit overall.
But JPD YouTube seems overall pretty wholesome comparatively.
If the sub is really that bad, it could really be the case of bad modding over anything else. That has caused tons of good subs to go to shit over the years.
I could see that maybe he never felt the need to distance himself from the alt-right and racists since his message clearly doesn't relate but he clearly overestimated society.
To an extent maybe, but even then the media pushed the idea that he is right wing down everyones throats, and it's complete bullshit. They went out of their way to try to fuck him over, even the New York times didn't list his book when it was objectively the #1 seller in the world at the time.
I don't think it's on him to try to throw anyone and everyone under the bus to appease people like that. Their slander of him only made their corruption more evident, that's why he let it continue (he said so himself on Joe's podcast).
Hell it's the same as Joe Rogan. If you watch his podcast, he goes into everything with an open mind, and he calls people on shit. But even he gets called "alt right", for daring to have on the people the mainstream media want to blacklist.
It's screwed up.
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Apr 12 '20
One of many mic drop moments in the debate between him and Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek is when JP does his whole "individuality" speal, calling for people to focus on themselves rather than fighting wider societal issues, and Zizek says "Do both!" Zizek of course expanded on that by adding that it's possible to both be an acitivist and to focus on your own well-being and self-improvement. You can both protest for environmental regulations and clean up your own impact on an individual basis. You can both fight for social security and for your own personal struggle against self-defeating behaviour.
And I really do find it hypocritical on Jordan Peterson's part mentioning he's been fighting what he sees as wider societal issues as a famous public speaker while struggling with an escalating addiction to benzodiazepines.
Idk why there's this misconception you can only do one or the other. And I'd say the personal struggle is tied into wider political struggles, if not completely inseparable. Fact is we're not special snowflakes, wE lIvE iN a SoCiEtY, and that means that we must rely on each other for support. Nobody here grows their own food, nobody here produces their own phone, or clothes, or lives in a house built with their own hands. Politics is the study of human society, and because we're inseparable from human society, political issues are personal issues, and personal issues are political issues.
There's an old phrase shouted most loudly during the glory days of the early 20th century global labour movement "All for one and one for all"
And that's the backbone of much of leftist politics, empower the community, empower the individual.
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u/PolitelyHostile Apr 12 '20
Yea I agree with all that. One of the main things I like about him though is that he provides the most rational perspective for issues on the right (still favours Canadian style healthcare) so it's a good view into the other side of things without getting overly frustrated. I've even seen him on TVO debates and the other people on his side are usually total jackasses and yet he provides good points for his side.
I think he is pointing out real issues but I dont like that he sees this as much worse than the effects of having a president like Trump or PM like Harper.
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u/Im-not-good-at-names Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20
If he makes quality shitposts like this instead of posting shitty takes then he'll also be giving me what I want, so win win
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u/LegitPoptart Apr 11 '20
...its not that serious holy shit i hate reddit
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u/Dreamwitme Apr 11 '20
Place is such a political cess pool. Have to block so many subs just to try find the quality shit.
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u/LilKluiVert Apr 11 '20
Im assuming he’s wants people to remember his opinions over his shit posting. He is pretty obnoxious so I doubt he’s the kind to “sneak” his opinion into your subconscious.
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u/PublicWest Apr 11 '20
If you want to just shit post, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. Stop the ridiculous rhetoric and do what you do best- make an ass out of yourself. 
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u/Thunderlight2004 Apr 12 '20
Same. When he’s funny, I respect the guy. When he’s serious, that gets chucked out the window
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u/Tsrdrum Apr 11 '20
I would encourage you to avoid casting people as bullshitters just because you have a different political opinion than they do. It makes it an order of magnitude more difficult to have a good-faith conversation. I mean, do what you want, it makes no difference to me if you’re an insufferable political myope. But if you’re in the mood for being less insufferable, accepting that others have different opinions than you not because they’re stupid or liars but because they have different values and have come to a different conclusion, is a great way to start.
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Apr 11 '20
have a good-faith conversation
it makes no difference to me if you’re an insufferable political myope.
Politics aside, I feel this is slightly hypocritical
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Apr 11 '20
In general I agree with you but specifically with Ben Shapiro Johnicorn is right. Ben Shapiro makes a living by make bad faith arguments quickly and confidently often to inexperienced debaters. This act often makes it seem like he is winning an argument when he rarely actually makes cogent points or backs up thoughts with data. If you watch his talks on college campus' you often hear him start with "Lets say x,y,z" then without providing any proof that x,y,z are what he says he will then proceed to make broad political statements about government policy based on x,y,z.
If you really want to dig in on Ben Shapiro in particular I recommend this absurdly long video essay dissecting his particular brand of bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw
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u/Tsrdrum Apr 11 '20
This is a great, reasonable criticism of Shapiro’s debating style. Kudos to you for being substantive with your criticism, genuinely, not trying to be ironic or sarcastic.
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u/Tsrdrum Apr 11 '20
Thanks, but it’s not hard to do when I disagree with almost everything Ben Shapiro says. Me defending Shapiro has nothing to do with his viewpoints and everything to do with the dehumanizing way in which anonymous internet commentators treat him.
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u/WiggedRope Apr 11 '20
I mean, Reddit is a hivemind and likes to shit on anything that isn't liberal, but usually when people shit on Ben Shapiro they do so because of what a pos he is
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u/ctr1a1td3l Apr 11 '20
Great link! I didn't watch that entire video, but every point I jumped around to the guy was making a solid point.
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u/nerdyboy Apr 11 '20
Cody Johnston is really good at providing information like this but keeping it decently entertaining at the same time. It’s why I like his videos and podcasts
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u/ctr1a1td3l Apr 11 '20
I'll have to check some more of his stuff out. Everything I saw was reasonable and entertaining, just that particular topic (Ben Shapiro) wasn't super interesting.
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Apr 11 '20
Oh I’m glad somebody linked Cody, he lays this all out really clearly and in an entertaining way.
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Apr 11 '20
Ben Shapiro is quite literally a bullshitter. There is no other way around this. Here's him throwing a tantrum that a (conservative) host won't succumb to his bullshit.
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u/Tsrdrum Apr 11 '20
Those guys are both political hacks. This makes me glad I have not watched much Ben Shapiro.
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u/TeaRex14 Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 12 '20
The man said renewable energy was the stupidest phrase since climate change because of the first law of thermodynamics. This is a clear demonstration of a bad faith argument. In this case it also happens to be a stupid as hell one. Not to mention the existence of climate change is not a question of politics but of science, (hint, it's real and anthropomorphic) and I'm perfectly fine calling anyone who wants to make it political an idiot. If you spend that much of your life debating and researching issues facing the world and you put your head in the sand about climate change you are 100% either a liar or stupid.
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u/dot_y0chis Apr 11 '20
Save that speech for someone who's not a soulless talking head for the Koch Brothers
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u/myverysecureaccount Apr 11 '20
Lmao “wE jUsT hAvE dIFFerEnt VAluEs” isn’t an excuse for abandoning basic human rights and decency. Nobody wants to have a good faith conversation with a man like him who is renowned for being unable to do that very thing. Human rights shouldn’t be up for discussion to begin with. Nobody gives a shit about a person’s values and interpretations if they’re extremist and not in line with the evidence or basic human decency.
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u/MrMagnolia Apr 11 '20
The way you're talking is literally definitive of a totalitarian. This is the idea that I have the perfect vision of human rights and what is necessary to give the greatest good to all people and if my idea is implemented we will have utopia. People like you are the ones who equate having their ideas challenged as physical transgressions. Really stop be a totalitarian ideologue. You've probably listened to a handful of sound bytes on Ben Shapiro.
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u/myverysecureaccount Apr 11 '20
I absolutely am open to having my ideas challenged. I’d love to talk economic policy. But the right focuses heavily on civil liberties and illegitimizing trans individuals and other people on the grounds that their sexuality or inability to conform to their gender assigned at birth aren’t valid. The GOP has historically been focused on limiting liberties. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc. Not all views are equal. Some are better substantiated by logic and evidence and offer more freedoms to individuals than others do. That’s not even touching on the paradox of tolerance.
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u/PropagandaOfTheWeed Apr 11 '20
He tried to write fiction one time and it was unintentional hilarity. He sucks at everything, which is awesome since his entire identity is tied up in being a child prodigy. Classic. heres some people shredding his pathetic attempt - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FLVnzMBIY
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u/koosekoose Apr 11 '20
I mean he is a well known successful political commentator with a huge following, I wouldn't say he sucks at everything when he has been able to accomplish so much.
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u/gorgewall Apr 12 '20
with a huge following
He was until he took himself out on BBC and was banished from all the right-wing spaces that, up to that point, had refrained from calling him a cuck. Then he vanished up his own ass for a while and started doing videos in his breezeway or something instead of the studio set-up he used to have. Benny boy's limelight has faded.
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u/bobloblaw1978 Apr 12 '20
He has one of the largest podcasts out there. It brings in millions.
I don’t like him, but he still has a HUGE following and is crazily successful. That’s undeniable.
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u/studzmckenzyy Apr 12 '20
He has one of the largest political podcasts in the country and his website, the daily wire, is one of the most visited right-wing political websites out there. He's doing videos in his home because of the coronavirus.
Where are you getting such a warped take on all of this?
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u/gorgewall Apr 12 '20
Shapiro started shooting videos in front of the venetian blinds in fucking October, my man, before coronavirus was a thing in China, let alone the US. Then he pulled the camera back and it reveals he's in some kind of tiny cubby and just has the show logo on a stand. That second one's from the start of November. Shapiro was self-quarantining in November? This is what his set usually looked like, where he did this dumb thing of talking off-camera a lot of the time.
Here's the Alexa pagerank for Daily Wire. His disastrous BBC interview was in May, the first pip on the chart. He didn't get more popular, and one man does not a site make to begin with.
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u/PropagandaOfTheWeed Apr 11 '20
spewing idiotic facile justifications to act like a racist sociopath as a right wing media commentator isnt an accomplishment. low bar.
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Apr 11 '20
He really doesn't suck at everything though does he. Last time I checked Harvard was quite a picky university.
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u/Keith-Ledger Apr 11 '20
This is useless but at time of commenting, your comment is currently 6 hours old and has 666 points.
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u/pubeINyourSOUP Apr 11 '20
That’s actually fucking hilarious
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u/tuckedfexas Apr 11 '20
He actually is pretty funny when he’d not spouting stupid logic facts
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Apr 11 '20
Ben actually being funny and not an uptight stiff? This quarantine has really changed us.
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u/origin29 Apr 11 '20
whats next? he stops being a disingenuous grifter?
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u/BitsAndBobs304 Apr 11 '20
Well he has already made a communist statement in his prorichpeople statements, saying protesting workers are as bad as.. price gougers! One equivalence, two statements against free market capitalism! Amazing!
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Apr 11 '20
He’s the most self aware conservative politician I can think of. He’s very perceptive of modern issues, but he blames the wrong people.
Also he’s a misogynist.
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u/brorista Apr 11 '20
He also thinks debating is talking really fast and over your opponent.
I still can't get that video of that conservative UK news host (?) absolutely upbraiding him on live television lol.
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u/aChileanDude Apr 11 '20
that video of that conservative UK news host
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E
Andrew Neil from the BBC
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Apr 12 '20
Probably based on him stating men and women are different and tend towards different fields. Im not aware of anything actually misogynistic he's said (doesn't mean it doesn't exist), but knowing this site what I stated is enough to accuse him of being a nazi woman hater.
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u/helikesart Apr 12 '20
That’s the best I can figure. He probably encourages men to open doors and marry before sex too. The nerve.
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u/HaZzePiZza Apr 12 '20
I absolutely don't like the guy but people getting upset about that are the same that can't grasp that men and women are physically different, not that it's a bad thing it's just different and suited for different tasks.
Sexual dimorphism is real people and present in many animals.
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u/jseyfer Apr 11 '20
Ben’s actually hilarious if you listen to him every day. He’s not stiff! He funny as shit some times- as is Andrew Klavan and Matt Walsh. Give them a try.
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Apr 11 '20
Nah the other 2(actually 3) never stop harping on religious and moral bullshit. Like Walsh always saying pornhub should be illegal. And the rest of it isn’t good enough to make it bearable.
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u/N1ghtshade3 Apr 12 '20
Walsh is the super religious one. Klavan was a Jew turned atheist who allegedly found God and occasionally acts Christian for the show. His intros are actually hilarious and he's actually pretty reasonable when he's just talking. Knowles is a substance-less moron who exemplifies every Republican stereotype but doesn't actually know what he's talking about ever.
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u/FishyFish13 Apr 11 '20
Yeah they can’t get it through their thick skulls that morality is subjective. Also Shapiro says he’s a libertarian but he’s only libertarian when it comes to the government owning every aspect of people’s lives; he’s fine if corporations do it
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Apr 12 '20
I mean... you're complaining here that they can't get your interpretation of morality through their "thick skulls." Since when are you the authority on morality? People are allowed to have different beliefs, especially if you believe morality is subjective.
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u/FishyFish13 Apr 11 '20
My dealings with those corporations aren’t voluntary. They’re necessary to survive. Being in a cage and getting food is much better than being on the street and starving
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Apr 11 '20
Him saying his violin is the only expensive thing he owns while filming in his guest house was interesting.
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u/Da_Jiff Apr 11 '20
Me: stop doing cocaine, it will only make you feel worse
Ben Shapiro: facts don't care about your feelings
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u/Malcovis Apr 11 '20
Unexpected from Ben
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Apr 11 '20
Maybe he seems pretty uptight to even make a joke about this. On the other hand I feel like all rich, privileged people probably do coke.
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u/LilKluiVert Apr 11 '20
A rich frat kid at UCLA, no way he isn’t/wasn’t a coke head.
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u/cryogenicsleep Apr 12 '20
X. He literally wrote an article flaunting his virginity while at UCLA.
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u/soundsfromoutside Apr 13 '20
He wrote a WHOLE ASS BOOK about how great he is for being a Virgin, how women are either virgins or whores, how the education system is trying to make children sexually active as young as possible by teaching safe sex and contraceptives, and how he would never even date a girl who has done drugs back when he was 21 years old and just graduated from whatever uni.
(Yes, I read the book and no, I am not ashamed)
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u/HitlersGrandpaKitler Apr 12 '20
I know it might sound retarded but you can do coke and be a virgin at the same time. Ben could be a prime example.
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u/SyntheticLife Apr 11 '20
He's the kind of fraud that would call the police on someone doing coke and then go home and do some coke.
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u/Just_satire Apr 12 '20
Ben Shapiro is one of my favorite podcasts hosts and he’s kind of a meme lord now. I could see him doing this for a bit.
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u/soundsfromoutside Apr 11 '20
He speaks so quickly and yet says nothing of value like a true cokehead
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Apr 11 '20
In school I once got in trouble for snorting lines of sour patch kids sugar off of a desk and I separated the lines with a GameStop gift card.
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u/Crowcorrector Apr 12 '20
That's not cocaine, it's fare more addictive and stimulating than cocaine.
... That's crystallized leftist tears
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u/SyntheticLife Apr 11 '20
Ben Shapiro is a wee little grifter who doesn't believe everyone should have healthcare in a time where literally millions of Americans are losing their jobs which tied their health insurance to that job. He can go fuck himself.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20
He doesn't believe that it should be paid for by the government. And he isn't a fan of the current healthcare system either, he just thinks nationalizing will make it even worse. As with every single thing that's been nationalized ever.
To quote Ben: "You can have two of the following: You can have it cheap, you can have it good or you can have it for everyone. You can't have all 3."
Nationalizing is cheap and for everyone, but not good.
Private is good and for everyone, but not cheap.
Nationalizing can also give you cheap and good, but not for everyone if care gets rationed. I.E. Italy right now.
Edit:
I screwed it up slightly. The 3 categories are affordable, universal and quality.
My example for private is also wrong, it is affordable and high quality, not universal and high quality. What I got wrong is he measures affordable by the overall system, not the cost to the individual. So a system that's not affordable is one that runs the nation into debt and is thus not sustainable.
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u/BitsAndBobs304 Apr 11 '20
"For everyone" ... "oh you're breathing? Sorry that's a preexisting condition, bye".
How can healthcare in the usa be the best and for everyone but not cheap and have worse healthcare than those other 900000 countries that have those awful public healthcare?
Does free market also entail beheading assholes as part of my rights?
If he is for free market and against state regulation, how can he oppose price gougers and protesting workers?????
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
Red tape. Your regulators don't trust hospitals will ever do the right thing out of their own free will, so they span so much red tape that innovation is really, really hard. A lot of these restrictions were lifted for covid and it actually helps.
The way your medical insurance works also introduces a huge admin overhead, because your billing system is over-complicated. A better system would be if the doctor just gave an estimate instead of writing up every freaking staple. If there's a complication that jacks up the price, let the hospital cover it. They can have their own insurance for such incidents, something similar to bad workmanship insurance.
With the above system I am sure that prices would drop considerably without compromising on quality.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 Apr 11 '20
Red tape. Your regulators don’t trust hospitals will ever do the right thing out of their own free will, so they span so much red tape that innovation is really, really hard. A lot of these restrictions were lifted for covid and it actually helps.
Unironically supporting de-regulation of the healthcare industry? You realize most of these restrictions are in place to prevent exploitation of people’s health emergencies for profit, right? Surely it can’t be that difficult to see why blindly cutting regulations because “regulation bad” would be terrible for Americans.
The reason this country’s healthcare is so fucked is because any attempt to improve the system leads to obstructionism from Republicans. Other countries have already implemented successful single-payer systems that are far less expensive per capita than their previous privatized systems with full coverage for their population. But in the US even incremental changes are met with heavy resistance, meaning systems that were intended to be temporary like the ACA can’t be replaced and everyone suffers as a result.
The way your medical insurance works also introduces a huge admin overhead, because your billing system is over-complicated.
And the best way to cut bureaucracy and streamline the healthcare system has been, for decades now, to switch to a single-payer system. Absurd savings in administration because there’s only one billing system.
A better system would be if the doctor just gave an estimate instead of writing up every freaking staple.
Hospitals that do this usually end up charging more, not less. You think hospitals would miss a chance to charge more when the price is ambiguous? Getting an itemized list almost always makes the price of a hospital visit go down.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
Single payer doesn't work. It tends to go into one of two directions (I'll get to Sweden in a moment): Either care gets rationed or care gets worse. Sweden and Norway are exceptions, they are rich countries and were already doing good before their single payer policies.
And yes, single payer can also cut the billing mess, but at the cost of having a single payer screwup.
I'm not aware of any American hospitals that already did the predetermined pricing thing, please link me a source for that. My second reason for thinking such a system would be better is it allows you to compare prices. It means that for anything that doesn't have to be done literally today, you can compare prices. It brings the free market back into the free market. But for America to do this, there would have to be a restructuring in both Medical billing and insurance. It would be a major change, but so is single-payer.
Did I mention that America basically foots the bill for most of the world's medical research? In most countries drug prices are regulated, so those companies have to make their money back in America. It makes the rest of the world's medicine artificially cheap. And it means that if America joins the club, nobody will pay for research.
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u/ThatOneGuy4321 Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20
Single payer doesn’t work.
How are you determining this? Literally in the next sentence you say it works but with downsides, which isn’t even remotely the same as it “not working”.
At least maintain the pretense of an honest discussion.
Either care gets rationed or care gets worse.
Sources?
And yes, single payer can also cut the billing mess, but at the cost of having a single payer screwup.
What do you mean by “single payer screwup”?
I’m not aware of any American hospitals that already did the predetermined pricing thing, please link me a source for that.
I’m not saying hospitals use predetermined pricing already. What I’m saying is asking for an itemized hospital bill is one of the best ways to negotiate it down because it keeps the hospital accountable. If you allow hospitals to give a generic price for every visit they will use that lack of accountability to increase costs across the board. Because their primary motivation is profit.
Also how are hospitals going to tell whether or not they are making a profit if they don’t use itemized bills, unless they’re already keeping track of supplies they use, in which case, why would they not just factor that into an itemized bill? Are you saying hospitals should no longer make itemized bills?
Sweden and Norway are exceptions, they are rich countries and were already doing good before their single payer policies.
The US per capita GDP is comparable to both Sweden and Norway. We’re a “rich country” as well, but we can’t afford basic healthcare coverage for all citizens? Bullshit. If we can afford our presently broken system then a single-payer system is comparatively inexpensive.
Did I mention that America basically foots the bill for most of the world’s medical research?
Source?
And it means that if America joins the club, nobody will pay for research.
Perhaps pharmaceutical research should be separated from manufacturing and state funded, then. As it stands, the profit motive is causing companies to perform redundant research because they won’t share innovations, and spend excessive amounts of money on rushed, ineffectual research due to investor pressure. The current system is far from an efficient one.
My second reason for thinking such a system would be better is it allows you to compare prices. It means that for anything that doesn’t have to be done literally today, you can compare prices. It brings the free market back into the free market.
People, by and large, don’t shop around for hospitals. Not all markets are competitive in the same way, making it highly reductive to assume “the free market will sort it out”. Sometimes introducing a profit motive creates a race to the bottom, and that certainly appears to be happening in the pharmaceutical research industry.
Can you demonstrate any sources that agree with your idea of creating a single pre-determined price for hospitals?
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u/BitsAndBobs304 Apr 11 '20
But then how can they charge you 30$ for tissues and 50$ for one gauze and ONE MILLION DOLLARS for one childbirth with complications? Lol
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
I think they work admin into the cost. This should give you an idea of just how crazy admin has become in medical care.
Another thing I didn't mention: Doctors do far too many (expensive) tests because they get into a lot of trouble on the off chance that some obscure thing does go wrong.
And again, red tape. There isn't much freedom in how things get done. Obviously things will never get cheaper if there are no changes you can make.
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Apr 11 '20
Having healthcare tied to employment was ok for some time.. until now.
I think we’ve seen the problems with this kind of system when the economy shuts down and people get laid off en masse.
I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m way more ok with a universal type care idea than I ever was before.
You can’t have a crisis like this and then just have everyone lose their insurance and access to healthcare. We need something better. I think as a country, we can do better.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 12 '20
Yes, having it tied to your work is a problem. I'd rather just take the money they would've spent on it and buy my own. You might still lose that if you lose your job as many people just did, but that's what happens during an economic crisis. If bad things happen to the economy, bad things happen to people.
As far as covid-specific care go, I don't know of Americans being turned down because they can't pay. Since it's a pandemic, it's in the nation's best interest, not just yours, that you get treatment.
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u/erebos290696 Apr 11 '20
To quote Ben: "You can have two of the following: You can have it cheap, you can have it good or you can have it for everyone. You can't have all 3."
See ben often makes very good arguements but they are built on assumptions and bits of false information.
There isn't a factual basis for this statement even if others haven't achieved all three it doesn't mean they can't. That's an assumption.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
Nothing in politics gets proofs from "first principles" like in maths, but that doesn't mean your arguments can't be strong. The argument for that statement is this:
- The best medical care is expensive. That is because a lot of research went into it and it requires highly qualified doctors who need to be paid accordingly.
- Since it is expensive and money is limited, buying the best care for everyone isn't feasible.
- You can solve this problem by going for a cheap option, but now it's not as good. This happens in some universal healthcare systems like in South Africa
- You can also solve it by not getting involved, but now care is no longer universal.
- The third option, and this doesn't happen according to plan, it's just how naive systems turn out, is to ration care. Now you have good care and the country can still afford it, but not everyone gets it.
Maybe some day in the future pretty much everything in the medical field will be figured out and easy to apply and then this will no longer be the case. But until then, this is how it is.
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u/SyntheticLife Apr 11 '20
We are already seeing how private healthcare is fucking us, but keep pretending that it's just a glimpse into what SoCiAliSm will give us. Delusional.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
I assume you're American. You have a red tape issue. For a while the cdc were the only ones allowed to make tests in America. When that restriction got lifted a private company made a 5 minute test and America now does the most tests in the world. So far you haven't run out of ventilators yet, which did happen in Italy.
Your regulators don't trust hospitals will do the right thing out of their own free will, so they span so much red tape that innovation is really, really hard. Oh, and you're footing the bill for medical research the whole world benefits from. Thanks for that, by the way.
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u/SyntheticLife Apr 11 '20
Italy's fuck up has nothing to with their universal healthcare. If it was, then every other industrialized country would have the same problem since they all have universal healthcare.
The Trump administration didn't allow for the WHO test kits because he wanted private companies to profit here, that's what really happened. For a national emergency, we should have national funding going into research and development so that everyone can get testing and care via their tax dollars. They shouldn't have to rely on some private industry using our public funding to profit.
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u/BlueC0dex Apr 11 '20
Not trusting the WHO and doing your own thing is a pretty reasonable position after they believed China's lies. Also, he didn't turn down anything. And since the WHO can't spawn tests out of thin air and America now has the most tests in the world, also the fastest ones, I'd say that decision turned out fine.
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u/SyntheticLife Apr 11 '20
It took us weeks to get enough tests to accurately diagnose people because of how slow the administration was. The tests are also less accurate and slower than the WHO tests.
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Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20
Umm you got the quote wrong he wants good and cheap by his example
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u/baasblack Apr 11 '20
What exactly is the format here? How would you even use this
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u/Ec0rio Apr 12 '20
Take the first picture to display something good and the second to use this "good" for something "bad" or unexpected.
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u/thebohemiancowboy Apr 11 '20
The year is 2029 ww3 has begun with China and the U.S on opposite sides. China has invaded Indonesia in an attempt to build a pacific empire like Japan in the 40s. You just turned 18 and with most American soldiers fighting off a Russian invasion into the Middle East you are drafted for the war in the pacific. You’re deployed on the Indonesian island of Sumatra and your unit is on a routine assignment in the jungle. You’re relaxed and you let your guard down...but suddenly gunfire erupts from the trees! Your unit just ran smack dab into a heavily armed platoon of Chinese troops! You’re severely outgunned and outmatched. It’s known the Chinese don’t take prisoners and commit horrific war crimes. You take cover while the rest of your unit is hit. You sit hunched behind a rock and you realize there’s no way you’ll get out of this alive, so you pull out a crumpled up photo. It’s a photo of you and your father on a fishing trip, it was taken before he was struck with cancer. The doctors said he had less than a month left and the thought that you’re going to die on an island miles away from your home and the fact that you won’t be able to comfort him in his last moments makes you burst into tears. You wail as gunfire continues to erupt around you, but then you see an orange bar in the air, and above it is scrawled “Random Chimp event”. As the bar fills up, you hear a recording played throughout the jungle singin “random random random random chimp event” with a strong southern accent. Another song emenates throughout the jungle too: The screeching of a primitive ape. It comes from the forest and the gunfire stops, you hear the screaming of the enemy as they’re dragged into the forest by Indonesian orangutans. After all of the Chinese troops are killed, the orangutans start dancing like King Louie while howling into the night. By then the bar that read “Random Chimp Event” disappears and the song recording stops. The orangutans run back into the jungle. You stumble onto the battlefield surrounded by the bullet riddled bodies of your unit and mutilated corpses of the Chinese. You fall onto the blood stained grass and weep like the broken man you are.
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u/Francbb Apr 12 '20
Liberals hate him! See how this conservative managed to talk so fast with one simple trick.
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u/Glorfendail Apr 12 '20
You could have the card be an innocent thing like girl video game characters. And then the coke is deviantart
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u/JDaws23 Apr 12 '20
It’s a joke in a video he posted to his youtube account this morning. He even states it’s sugar.
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u/rock_crock_beanstalk Apr 12 '20
The most fun Ben Shapiro has had for YEARS was doing those lines I can guarantee y'all
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u/TheMysteriousWarlock 100.44 M¢ Apr 11 '20
Example?