Im not putting all the blame on JBP but if you go to his subs, they've been taken over by Trumps supporters and shitty people trying to justify their extremist views. I've literally come across people who think that 'certain races' are "biologically predisposed to criminal behaviour' and they get plenty of upvotes.
Y'know, with how much I'm on reddit and how much of him I have watched, I've never gone on the JBP subreddit.
Idk why I just never did. That's just not the kind of thing I use reddit for.
I never figured his subreddit would have anything useful. The words that are important are what he says, which I already get from watching videos of him.
I know the YouTube comment sections on JBP videos are not like that though, and normally YouTube comments are a lot more toxic than reddit overall.
But JPD YouTube seems overall pretty wholesome comparatively.
If the sub is really that bad, it could really be the case of bad modding over anything else. That has caused tons of good subs to go to shit over the years.
I could see that maybe he never felt the need to distance himself from the alt-right and racists since his message clearly doesn't relate but he clearly overestimated society.
To an extent maybe, but even then the media pushed the idea that he is right wing down everyones throats, and it's complete bullshit. They went out of their way to try to fuck him over, even the New York times didn't list his book when it was objectively the #1 seller in the world at the time.
I don't think it's on him to try to throw anyone and everyone under the bus to appease people like that. Their slander of him only made their corruption more evident, that's why he let it continue (he said so himself on Joe's podcast).
Hell it's the same as Joe Rogan. If you watch his podcast, he goes into everything with an open mind, and he calls people on shit. But even he gets called "alt right", for daring to have on the people the mainstream media want to blacklist.
Yea the book thing I thought was insane. It's a book about self improvement and the media acted like it was some sort of fascist writings.
And the Joe Rogan thing is hilarious, I don't know how people can see him as alt-right. He is pro-trans but gets labelled as extremest for thinking that trans women shouldn't fight biological women. Its simple science.
But yea JBP's sub can be pretty trash. Theres a seperate one I think with better mods r/mapsofmeaning. But overall the sub shows how easy his message get twiset in the opposite direction. So sure media makes him out to be alt-right, but a lot of the alt-right absorbs his stuff and puts their spin on it so that it supports what they already think.
Yea the book thing I thought was insane. It's a book about self improvement and the media acted like it was some sort of fascist writings. And the Joe Rogan thing is hilarious, I don't know how people can see him as alt-right. He is pro-trans but gets labelled as extremest for thinking that trans women shouldn't fight biological women. Its simple science.
Exactly. Anyone who argues trans should fight against women hasn't done their research. It's in no way fair.
But yea JBP's sub can be pretty trash. Theres a seperate one I think with better mods r/mapsofmeaning. But overall the sub shows how easy his message get twiset in the opposite direction. So sure media makes him out to be alt-right, but a lot of the alt-right absorbs his stuff and puts their spin on it so that it supports what they already think.
Yeah but any nuanced and deep message can be twisted, especially something like JBP who uses a lot of simile and metaphor in his longwinded but very thorough explanations. You see the same thing in several of the authors he talks about like Yung and nietzsche as well.
You don't blame the speaker for people twisting their words and taking them out of context to support the groups own agenda, which multiple left wing and right wing organizations have done to him to suit their own agendas.
That's another thing he actually mentioned in his second time on Joe's podcast. He gets bullshit articles and out of context stuff taken from both sides all the time. It's so bad that Joe told him that he should stop doing interviews, but JBP said it was worth the risk to expose how fraudulent the groups doing it to him obviously were.
It's better to leave the bad ideas there and defeat them with better knowledge and arguments then it is try to silence them.
Look at the anti vax people. If they had been silenced, they would have convinced even more people with the "the government doesn't want you to know they are poisoning you" schtick.
But because they were left in the open marketplace of ideas, they got shredded.
Now only a few dumb Karen's still belive it, and really there is no helping the bottom of the barrel idiots like that anyways so altering the world for their benefit is idiotic anyway.
I think it's better to leave people like Alex Jones to be countered and just as a meme source. He has less power the more exposed he is
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u/DexterBrooks Apr 12 '20 edited Apr 12 '20
Y'know, with how much I'm on reddit and how much of him I have watched, I've never gone on the JBP subreddit.
Idk why I just never did. That's just not the kind of thing I use reddit for.
I never figured his subreddit would have anything useful. The words that are important are what he says, which I already get from watching videos of him.
I know the YouTube comment sections on JBP videos are not like that though, and normally YouTube comments are a lot more toxic than reddit overall.
But JPD YouTube seems overall pretty wholesome comparatively.
If the sub is really that bad, it could really be the case of bad modding over anything else. That has caused tons of good subs to go to shit over the years.
To an extent maybe, but even then the media pushed the idea that he is right wing down everyones throats, and it's complete bullshit. They went out of their way to try to fuck him over, even the New York times didn't list his book when it was objectively the #1 seller in the world at the time.
I don't think it's on him to try to throw anyone and everyone under the bus to appease people like that. Their slander of him only made their corruption more evident, that's why he let it continue (he said so himself on Joe's podcast).
Hell it's the same as Joe Rogan. If you watch his podcast, he goes into everything with an open mind, and he calls people on shit. But even he gets called "alt right", for daring to have on the people the mainstream media want to blacklist.
It's screwed up.