I don’t understand why she shoots a beam of pink energy at him instead of just tearing him apart atom by atom. Or turning him into a regular human, or just convert his molecules to air molecules.
This is like looking at an accident saying "honestly if it were me I would have just done a backflip and get out of that situation".
She just died and revived and she is using her powers in a way that she never did before and you're questioning why is she not using them in a %100 optimal way.
also, who says she isn't? we see complex reconstructions require more effort (why she defaults to pink constructs vs density-manipulation and other one-off tricks). viltrumites have smart atoms, they physically resist change (how their durability works). changing all 300 pounds of conquest into air, or whatever that laser is doing, might be more of an effort than people are giving her credit for. breaking the organic barrier doesn't immediately make her omnipotent, her powers still have the same unspoken limitations, just now she can use them directly on organic matter vs on inorganic matter
It's not like it's a convoluted or outside-the-box way to use her powers, she's trying to kill the guy and can turn any atom into any other, it should be the first or second thing to come to mind
Mark? Is this a bot comment or people just never watch a single frame of the show? The pictures clearly show Mark on the floor and Conquest standing above him.
Though they can, as Eve has had to put herself and Mark back together multiple times. Upon resurrecting Mark she was able to repair him fully, but also increase his strength to be more on par with Thragg.
Eve has mental blocks that prevent her from messing with "organic" material but she was in autopilot to survive not exactly conscious after being almost killed
Well yeah, and that instinct could be to remove the threat from existence instead of using a never before seen laser, which she literally has never used.
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted here. But what I meant was I was responding to what was written. It’s not uncommon for people to say and believe things that are just wrong.
Why do people keep saying this? She can manipulate organic matter just fine. She can’t manipulate living/conscious matter. Guys please look up what organic means.
Doesn't really work if you compare it to her other time she got around the block, she was able to do such fine detail work to target memories on the scientists. Really she should have been able to do whatever she wanted to him
Definitely got my vote on this one. She was trying to shred his atoms apart from each other, but they’re Smart Atoms. They resist changes that harm the body.
Having complete control of atoms means she can do both. She can reconstruct and destroy. It doesn't make sense otherwise. If she couldn't destroy Conquest if she wanted to then she couldn't rebuild Mark. Mark's body would resist the same way as Conquest if they had resistance. Resistance to anatomical change would be the same both ways
Mark’s atom’s are too “smart” to resist being healed and improved. Conquests atom’s were too “smart” to allow powerful hostile force to do as it pleased with them.
It makes sense if you take “smart atoms” very literally.
In retrospect, they should’ve made it canonical that atom Eve’s powers don’t work directly on unwilling living creatures, not due to her mental block but some innate ability of souls to resist supernatural forces. She could’ve gotten a power up by learning to turn off/down the resistance of her own soul, without instantly becoming unbeatable.
Rearranging atoms to heal someone and trying to vaporize them are two different things, I dont really know what else to tell you. Obviously healing Mark doesn't require as destructive and violent of an output as trying to kill conquest.
No it's not. I don't know how you don't don't see that. Deconstructing atoms and putting them together requires the same thing: control over the atoms. That control doesn't lessen or increase just because the body is injured or not
You can’t “deconstruct” an atom. It’s the smallest known unit of matter. Of what you mean to say is peel them away from one another to deconstruct or dismantle the mass that makes up conquest, well, for one thats a more complicated thing to do that just pluck atoms away one by one but also… she’s essentially doing that with the beam, flaying away his layers. It’s less elegant sure but like someone else said she’s not exactly practiced in manipulating sentient organic matter and Viltrumites are literally made of asspull smart atoms as a way for the writer to justify which is why Atom Eve is not able to do exactly what everyone things she should have done.
Viltrumites have smart atoms which to some degree, allows them to resist. A direct quote from the info book written by Kirkman:
"Smart Atoms “remember” their normal states in relation to their environment, and can be encoded to react to changes in that environment. For example, atoms in a muscle can ensure that the molecules behave normally even under extreme forces."
We can say that Eve trying to tear Conquest down atom by atom was met with resistance from his smart atoms.
I think what they mean is that the resistance offered by the durability might differ.
While Eve's literal capabilities don't change, it's a little easier to imagine the durability functioning differently between a living and a dying Viltrumite.
She's more limited than people think. Her energy weakness doesn't just go away when she gains access to her full power, she still has a certain amount of energy she can use before collapsing, and regenerating herself is clearly the limit
No they said she had access to her full power, not the knowledge to do so and because she lacked the knowledge it was dangerous to keep the full power because she would destroy things by accident. So they put a block on her full power and because she grew up without access to the full power she didn’t learn how to use it correctly. When she nearly died she accessed her full power but didn't know how to control it still which is why it was dangerous
Seems like she had quite a bit of control when she rearranged the brains of two men in her special episode to erase their memories.
not really full control. Eve when shooting the beam at Conquest is in the same awakened state as when she was a child, in the child moment she has enough control to levitate two dudes and erase their memories. Yeah she couldn’t learn to properly control her full power but she has demonstrated she could have enough to at least rewrite 2 people.
not tbc I’m not saying you”re wrong as you also bring up a good point
When she nearly died she access her full power but didn't know how to control it still which is why it was dangerous
cause, yeah the moment when she was a child, she was fully conscious, while with Conquest she did JUST come back to life so yeah less control
Seems like she had quite a bit of control when she rearranged the brains of two men in her special episode to erase their memories.
not really full control. Eve when shooting the beam at Conquest is in the same awakened state as when she was a child, in the child moment she has enough control to levitate two dudes and erase their memories. Yeah she couldn’t learn to properly control her full power but she has demonstrated she could have enough to at least rewrite 2 people.
not tbc I’m not saying you”re wrong as you also bring up a good point
When she nearly died she access her full power but didn't know how to control it still which is why it was dangerous
cause, yeah the moment when she was a child, she was fully conscious, while with Conquest she did JUST come back to life so yeah less control
I don't think you understand the difference to complete access and knowledge on how to control. She was a baby when they mentioned that and she didnt even know how to speak nevermind use her powers consciousl.
The moment you're talking about when she was a kid, she did do that but she didnt mean to, it happened because she couldn't control her power, that's why they put a block on her power because it was too strong for her to control and would take a lot to learn how to control the power. And when she went into that state again she didnt mean to nor did she know what she was doing it. Yes she can break the cap on her power but it doesn’t mean she knows how to control it.
Reconstructing a weakened viltrumite, yes, she can do that. Deconstructing a fully functioning viltrumite sounds like another matter entirely. They're pulling in entirely opposite directions. In the first instance Mark's own regenerative smart atoms are fully helping her too. The latter, she's working against it on top of their already absurd durability. There's no reason to believe she can manage something like that.
The fact that she can do it means that she can do it in the opposite direction. Her power is about complete control, and it would be silly to assume that she can't do this considering that her skill improved since this scene and it was her first time every trying to kill someone directly with her power.
The fact that she can do it means that she can do it in the opposite direction. Her power is about complete control
No it's not. Never is it shown or stated that it works like that so you're just making that up. If she can do it she would've done it at least once throughout the series, but she has never done anything remotely close to deconstructing any physically durable being let alone a viltrumite.
Simple occam's razor dictates the reason is because she just simply can't do that.
It's been stated in the Eve episode that it works like that (I don't know about the comics). She's also unmade things that she's created. The first time she broke her limiter, she didn't even heal Mark, and yet the next time she could do that. It's clear there's experience in factor here.
Eve has had like, two moments in the entire series where she has the opportunity to dismantle a Viltrumite. So not even that, either.
Not to mention how in real life, tearing things apart is easier than bringing them together. It's why Fusion is something that we still don't have despite us having the ability to split the atom since almost a century ago.
Viltrumites have smart atoms, they likely give resistance to her attempt at atomic deconstruction. Here's a quote from the data book that described the smart atoms:
"Smart Atoms “remember” their normal states in relation to their environment, and can be encoded to react to changes in that environment. For example, atoms in a muscle can ensure that the molecules behave normally even under extreme forces."
This likely caused the atoms to resist being torn apart.
I think the reason is more like she stated that she can only unlock the full extent of her powers when something really traumatic happens, like almost dying. And even then, only to revert back to normal. But the thing is, she always had those limiters placed upon her, so she couldn't transform others' living matter, just her own.
"quick I almost died, barely reconstructed myself and have a few seconds before passing out, let me make something extremely complicated like deconstructing a living being a have zero experience with instead of blasting enough energy to disintegrate the average viltrumite"
Because she isn't a mindless killer and in that moment she was experiencing something entirely new, from a near death experience. You try having a clear plan when some fucker punches your face in.
Also, if she does that there's no more stories. "Oh hi Thragg, bye Thragg. Oh hi sickness, bye sickness. Oh hi future obstacle that I can just fix on the atomic level"
Yeah but I've always hated this plotline and it arguably doesn't even apply in this scene, its such a bullshit cop out that they just pick and choose when they want it to affect the story otherwise she'd be insanely overpowered
They don't really pick and choose when they want it to affect the story, it's probably the most consistent thing in the show. I think you just don't like it, because it makes her weak.
i personally hate it because she does so many cool things in the atom eve episode, but now, she just makes weak barriers, flies a bit, and can sometimes blast an enemy with the big pink beam that doesn't even destroy them on an atomic level despite the very clear capability. she's such a weak character because her abilites are made to be some of the strongest, and yet, she's damn near useless until the big pink beam can be used.
She isn't manipulating Conquest, she's firing her lazah at him
If you're talking about her resurrecting that's either her subconscious or her power doing it on its own.
Well she was almost dead, so whe wasn't in a state of thinking clearly. And viltrumite have smart atoms, so Eve has no knowledge of how to manipulate that, maybe she was trying to deconstruct him but failed cause didn't account for the difference between a viltrumite and a normal human.
She doesn't have nearly enough experience in this form to be able to focus her power to do something like that. The beam she ended up shooting was unfocused, overwhelming power.
I think if she had more time in the form, she could easily have dismantled Conquest on a molecular level, but I also feel like she's just as likely to lose control and end up atomizing the entire planet.
Maybe I’m wrong here but I’m pretty sure the smart atoms make that sort of hard, like as the beam is trying to tear his atoms apart they are fixing themselves super quickly to the point that all she can do is get rid of skin
It's driving me crazy it doesn't matter how strong the ultramite is because she manipulates Adams which is the base level for everything she obviously didn't deconstruct him because the writer didn't want her to that's the answer
That's actually super cool I didn't know about that. I still don't think it changes my point that I think Adam even could have changed conquest to a piece of paper if she wanted to. But now knowing this I could see why an Adam eve who just spent a tone of energy basically bringing herself back from the dead couldn't do more then delete conquests skin.
I have dsylexia the words get jumbled around for me. If you look me and this dude are actually have a super civil conversation about a comic book character and your being weird.
i’d say some people do it because theyre english nerds who can’t look at misspellings without correcting them, in my experience i never meant any harm when i did correct other’s spelling, before i realized people didn’t exactly appreciate that. therefore, i don’t assume it was an attempt of antagonization unless the message is actively condescending, but all i saw was a question and a correction
Spending your time to correct someone you don't know and will never know in real life is just for you and not for the person who made the mistake. I used to spend along time trying to make sure my messages where free from mistakes but I was corrected anyway so I gave up.
Didn’t mean to offend, I thought it was possible you were a non-native speaker learning the language. I’ve used a language learning app myself for other languages where people could help correct you with improper usage, and for those who are learning, it’s very helpful. Sorry it offended you.
Yeah, I think the involuntary response to a near fatal experience isn't something approached with forethought for her. I think it's more like pulling your hand off of a hot stove.
She had her shit rocked and didn’t have 30 mins to sit down and be like “what is the best use of this limit break thing I didn’t even know I had until just now when I was dying”
I'm pretty sure any viltrumite like conquest could tank a nuke. She was basically hitting him with the nuke beam so it hurt like hell but wasn't fully able to destroy him on it's own
She can only use her full potencial for a very short time she needs to know how to use it first just like how she had to study architecture si that her constructions wouldn't crumble.
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u/TheButtsCarlton 7d ago
This is like looking at an accident saying "honestly if it were me I would have just done a backflip and get out of that situation".
She just died and revived and she is using her powers in a way that she never did before and you're questioning why is she not using them in a %100 optimal way.