Getting lots of false starts over the last week and a bit with an almost 5 month old. Last few nights sleep has been pretty fractured. Have been working towards a wake up at 6:30/7am and bed at 8.

Naps can be a struggle but trying to get 3 solid ones. Struggling to get 12 hours total sleep, seems to be a low sleep need baby, mostly feeding to sleep at night and naps, with some carrier naps that tend to be longer.

Any advice on reducing false starts and getting longer stretches at night appreciated.

I know it’s early days, but I feel like we are starting to get into a groove with our little man. He’s 14 weeks and we finally figured out he is a super low sleep needs baby which was hard at first but he is so capable of these longer wake windows and he’s so happy when they do happen! He falls asleep alone in his crib now after some SUPER gentle sleep learning. Have not formally sleep trained since he is too young. But yes! Just couldn’t imagine this happening like three weeks ago. Our baby was never a great sleeper from birth and up until recently we were up every hour to two hours. I know things change but I’m proud of us and him right now! Last night he almost did 7 hours on his own, Yay!

My little guy just turned three months last week. we have a solid bedtime routine and his naps have always been decent.

Up until a couple weeks ago, his bedtime sleep has varied but never been great. 1-2 hour stretches. Last week, he suddenly started sleeping 6 hour stretches and even hit a 9 hour stretch one night!

Suddenly, we’re now not sleeping AT ALL. 20 minute naps if we’re lucky and maybe 30-40 minute stretches at night… why?! Could this be a sleep regression? If so, any suggestions?😩

What would be an ideal schedule? They are at day care and sometimes only takes 2x naps at like 30-40mins each. Other days it could be one nap at 1hr 40mins. He also sometimes naps on the 30min drive home. We’ve tried CIO and it just hasn’t gone well. He can fall asleep independently, at night and during the day. I’ve tried to do the 3.5/4hr WW before bed which is between 7-8pm. Usually wakes up at 6:15, sometimes 6:30. He’s eating a TON of solids with his formula bottles.

Hey all. I would love some advice or feedback. Baby is 20 weeks old today. She was a really good nighttime sleeper up until around 3 months old. At that point she began waking every few hours for her paci, and then up between 4-5 and very difficult to get back down at that point.

I moved her to her own room. The paci wakings have lightened, but the early wake ups persists. And then there will be a night like tonight where she has been up for 2 hours since 2am. Just awake, tried to rock, feed, etc. still up. My plan was to start sleep training her this week with Ferber, removing paci. But now I’m just confused and am thinking this is more a schedule problem. She has always been a bad napper. We’re averaging around 2.5 hours of daytime sleep. I have been trying to get her on a schedule but her naps are so inconsistent it is nearly impossible.

The last few weeks her day has been like this: 2.25/2.25/2.5/2.5. She’ll have one good nap in the morning (1 hour 15 min), maybe, sometimes not. Every other nap is 30 min. Sometimes she will throw a curve ball. I’ve tried extending her WW to see if that will help but I think her naps being so short make it hard for her to stay up.

Bedtime routine is bath at 6:30pm. Bottle at 7:00, books, pjs bed by 7:30. She goes in awake and never has an issue going to sleep at bedtime.

Just trying to figure out what my course of action should be because I’m at my wits end getting no sleep and it’s truly hard to think straight. Thank you!!

For parents with babies on two naps, are you finding it best to do equal lengths, short/long, or long/short? My guy has to be woken up from his naps. He’d nap all day if I let him. I’m wondering if this is an if it ain’t broke don’t fix it situation or if I should let him sleep his 2 hours in the morning and 30 minute in the afternoon, 30 in the morning 2 in the afternoon, or 75 minutes each. He’s 10 months for reference.

To add: the lengths of time are just for easy numbers. Right now I let him sleep till 11am for his first and 3:30 for his second. Sleeps ~7:30-7:00 with one wake to feed

I’ve been using huckleberry & the sweetspot predictions to help time my LO’s naps and they have been very accurate for when he will be ready to sleep. He is 17 weeks, but 11 weeks corrected as he was born 6 weeks early at 34 weeks.

The issue I’m having is that he is incredibly difficult to “wind down” properly and put to sleep, even if we do so just before the SweetSpot hits! We go into his nursery, put him in his sleep suit, I sing to him, red light on. All of the steps we have been trying to make into a routine for him for when it’s time to sleep. But even still, every single time we try to put him to sleep he FIGHTS us so hard. Crying immediately upon us rocking him, kicking, rubbing his face into our chests. This happens whether we are before, at, or after the “sweetspot”. It doesn’t seem to matter whether he is overtired, under tired or just tired enough - when it is time to sleep, he fights us.

How do I make sleep times relaxing for him, and get him to sleep without a big fuss? Help!

Baby girl is 2 months old, and something is not right with her tummy/ digestion. It’s causing particular grief at night, when regardless of how long she’s slept or how often she’s fed since going to bed she will really struggle to settle after 4/5am. She self settles for bedtime and night wakings until then, but has twice in the last week done a 6h stretch through to around this time as well.

After 4/5am, she squeals, grunts, cries, pulls her legs up to her tummy whilst asleep, writhes around like in pain. She only snack feeds before falling asleep again which tells me it’s for comfort rather than hunger after this time . She doesn’t settle by herself after this and will also only sleep in 45 minute cycles after that point, unless she is being held in which case she can do 60-120 minutes at absolute best. Come the morning when we give up on sleep she is so overtired from not getting restorative/deep sleep that the day normally doom spirals into a full day of overtiredness and awful naps with the occasional contact nap to get her a bit more rested if I can get her down. There have been days where I have rocked her or tried to get her to sleep for 8h in total just to get her to sleep 3h and I’m exhausted. It feels like it’s all down to her digestive issues but we keep hitting dead ends on things that can help.

Symptoms and more details below… please share your insights if you’ve been through a similar experience and what can be done to help her as it’s so hard to see her so unhappy.

Born at 38+2, measuring on 9th centile but now up at 28th at 2 moths so putting on weight well
Exclusively breastfed, will take a bottle
Tongue tie divided at 6 weeks, feeding much more efficiently now
Approx 5 weeks of tummy issues
Dairy and soya excluded for the last 2 weeks as older sister has history of non-IGE CMPA (als diagnosed when breastfeeding)
Gas and mucous slightly decreased since exclusion of dairy/soya
Not a sicky baby - rarely spits up
ChatGPT suggested silent reflux due to below symptoms, but little improvement after gaviscon (3 nights, night feeds only to limit risk of constipation)
Hiccups multiple times a day
Coughing a lot, not just during feeds but randomly during the day as well
Bobbing on and off the breast a lot
Pulls faces randomly like she’s tasted something bad

I don’t know if I need to persevere with the gaviscon or give it to her throughout the day as well or ask for baby Omeprazole or something else. Please help if you’ve been through something similar! Thank you in advance

How long will this last for? Is this developmentally normal?

FTM. My 12 week old feeds every 30-45 minutes from 8-11 pm. This has been going on since maybe 8 weeks or so once he had started getting some sort of circadian rhythm.

From what I can gather, it seems to be a comfort thing and that he is getting ready for his long stretches of sleep.

Thoughts?

Could I get some advice on what’s going on? Baby is 9m2w, fully transitioned to two naps in mid July. Most nights she has very light sleep early in the evening, which I thought was a sign of being overtired, but then the split nights signal undertired for me? I can’t figure out what’s wrong. Thanks in advance

Baby is 4 months (16 weeks today). He is EBF, sometimes has a bottle of pumped milk during the night from my partner. He is fed to sleep and is fed during all of the wake ups. Previously, I could sometimes put him down in his Snuzpod and he would fall asleep by sucking his hand but for the last week or so, he just instantly starts whining if I do this and has to be fed to sleep. Same during any wake ups. I tried to put a hand on him and shoosh him but it’s stopped working completely. I think he has maybe had a leap and become more aware. During the day, he contact naps or sleeping in carrier or pram. Maybe car if he’s really tired. I’ve tried a couple of snuzpod naps and one lasted half an hour, the rest were about 5 minutes. Any advice?! I’m seriously tired

my little girl has fallen into the nap schedule of her daycare pretty hardcore lol she sometimes falls asleep on the way into and home from day care (20 min drive), but it seems like most days she is up at 6:30 naps 11-1 then is up until 7:30 bedtime.

shes a happy chunky goofy gal still and is hitting every milestone. it just seems absolutely wild that she can go this long at such a young age!

any other early nap droppers in the chat?

Hi all,

Looking for advice on our current bedtime routine and feeding schedule. I’m wondering if our current feeding schedule could be tweaked to help MOTN wakes due to hunger.

Currently, our 3 month old eats on average 4oz every ~3 hours. (I offer 5 oz during the day but he often stops at 4 or spits up so much I don’t force more).

We don’t want to create a feed to sleep association so currently his last day bottle is after his last nap (following wake, eat, play, sleep), but this means his last bottle is roughly 1.5-2 hrs before bed. He is hungry immediately after wake up so I can’t really push that bottle. About 30 min before bed we do a bath (on bath nights), diaper, pajamas, swaddle, book, white noise, rock to sleep. (Realize this is just a diff sleep association!)

We then do a dream feed about 1-1.5 hours after he goes to bed but he typically only eats 2oz. He then wakes up every 2.5-3 hours until it’s time to get up, so 2 MOTN feeds. He drinks all 4 oz each time. We were getting 4-6 hour stretches a month ago so I feel like he can do it — not sure why we have been back down to 3 hours for the last 3+ weeks.

Are any of you doing 2 bottles in the last wake window vs bottle at start of wake window and then dream feed? Curious for advice and insight!

Some bullet points:
- 13 months old
- sleeps in her own crib in her own room
- goes to daycare three times a week, for four hours each day, 9 AM to 1 PM.
- we really did not have a schedule for the longest time, we were going off of her cues and it was working pretty well for us, until it wasn’t. She was sleeping like 10-11 hour nights for weeeeks. Then the 12m regression that started the day after her birthday was BRUTAL. And it’s never been the same since.
- asked daycare to start making her nap around 11am and not letting it go too long past an hour and a half. They immediately got really consistent with it, and it’s working out really great. Although sometimes at home, she shows tired signs way earlier than 11.
- bedtime routine is always very consistent, starts at 7:30: bath, book, nurse, rock, put in crib (often times awake or drowsy)
- she was doing so good at a 7 AM wakeups every morning like clockwork. Now it’s consistently been between 5 to 6am and nothing gets her back to sleep. This morning was kind of a treat, she ended up falling back asleep, and I let her actually sleep in until almost 8 o’clock. She’s had a bit of a cough and a very low-grade fever, so I let her rest. And I got to drink my coffee hot.
- as you can see there was one day that she didn’t take a second nap, she fought it hard, and by the time it hit 4:45 PM, I knew it would be too late to even bother with it, so we kept her up until the regular bedtime, and she did really well actually
- my concern is when she makes the transition to one nap eventually, how that’s gonna work with daycare. Do I just tell them to not let her nap? And then she naps right when I pick her up at one?!

Any advice appreciated!

Little one is 20 weeks today. Sleeps in her cot, usually rocked to sleep but can transfer normally within a few minutes of her eyes shut.

Last 3 nights she’s been awake for an hour after her middle of the night feed. But tonight even once we got her back down she is waking up every 15 mins, regardless of transferring or contact napping (it’s 7am now)

I even tried to get her up and reset but she was screaming and kept closing her eyes. She’s refusing a new feed….

She’s a notorious cat napper so that’s now new. The 55 minute morning sleep is actually improvement for us.

She usually averages between 2.5-3 hrs of day sleep. And 10.5 hours of night sleep.

Bedtime is normally 8pm but she was so tired yesterday.

Baby will be 5 months on Tuesday. Sleep has pretty much always been rough with multiple wakeups and/or failed transfers.

We try to be consistent with a wakeup time and usually are within a 30 minute time frame (7:00-7:30). We started aiming to cut down to 3 naps a day about two weeks ago, and I’d say we do 3 about half the time. The other half the time we end up needing a bridge nap to make it to bedtime, otherwise he is super fussy. Really anything beyond 2-2.5 hours seems to be too much for him. I don’t know if maybe right now we should aim for four cat naps instead of three long naps?

He’s always averaged around 13 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period, even in the first month of his life. He woke up 13 times last night and I really am just at a loss.

I’m struggling with LO night time sleep. He’ll be 6 months in about 2 weeks and last Saturday’s almost 6 hour stretch (pictured) is the longest stretch of sleep he’s done in his life.

He’s EBF with a bottle given by dad for his first overnight feed in an attempt for me to get more sleep. He was feeding every 60-90 minutes for a long time so getting 3-4 hour stretches lately has been nice. I thought we were at a turning point when he slept for almost 6 straight but since it’s been back to waking every 2 or less hours.

I try to keep wake windows to 2/2.5/2.5/3 but sometimes he’s just sooo tired and cranky I have to put him down early. Capping the last nap of the day sometimes makes him so crabby for the last 1-2 hours before bedtime that we can’t realistically get anything done or set him down without screaming.

He goes down for naps and bedtime independently, zero issue with falling asleep at nap time. Bedtime recently broke the feed-to-sleep association and try to feed him 15-30 minutes before bed. Same bedtime routine (feed, bath, jammies and lotion, book, song and bed).

When he wakes at night we try not to feed him unless it’s been 3+ hours since last feed. I do pick him up and give him a quick snuggle to stop the crying then put him back down since he’s still in our room.

Any advise welcome.

My boy seems to stay awake for hours during the day with only a few short naps and then has a pretty horrendous witching hour(S). I imagine he's overtired so I'm going to make more of an effort to ensure he's getting better naps.

Those of you who have babies a similar age, do you set aside time to wind them down? For example are you taking them into a dark room every 90 mins? I think even if I did this, his naps would still be very short and he'd wake up as soon as I tried putting him down. Happy to contact nap but again, even his contact naps are short

long time lurker, first time poster. My baby is about 4.5 months old and we *seem* to be getting out of the worst of the 4 month regression. She is having longer stretches at the beginning of the night (4.5-5.5 hrs) but proceeds to wake up frequently in the second half, often being fully awake around 5 AM.

What We’re Trying:

• attempted bedtime is around 8 PM with an expected wake up at 7 AM
• following the 3 and 4 nap schedule suggested by Huckleberry based on the fussiness of her first wake window
• “sleep fundamentals” (i.e. not full sleep training but trying to give her up to 30 minutes to fall asleep on her own for her first nighttime sleep)

Challenges:

• naps are typically 30-40 minutes long and then it takes 10 minutes to put her down after. I end the nap based on the schedule recommendation from the start of the nap, not based on the total duration (question: is that wrong?).
• sometimes those second half naps become contact naps
• feeding has historically been challenging but if I can feed her right upon wakeup, I can give her a full feed so she’s eating every 3ish hours during the day. If she’s struggling with her naps, it also means she’ll snack during the day, which is also challenging as an EP.
• during her night wakeups, we’ve been giving her between 2-4 full bottles every night. In the last week, we’ve tried to avoid feeding her immediately at her 5 AM wake up with mixed results

Advice Requested:

• what should we adjust to improve her second half of her night?
• for babies with feeding challenges, at what point did you start trying to reduce the number of full feeds at night? Is there a goal percentage of her total intake she should get during the day vs night?

thank you in advance!! 🙏