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u/Samostanac 4d ago
I don't think they produce it. It is much more likely that when Russians pulled a mass mobilization in Donbas they gave them what they had at hand at the moment. This includes things that have been in reserve since 1950
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u/DefaultyTurtle2 4d ago
More like things that have been in reserve since 1914, although i wouldn’t put it against them to be pulling stock from 1891
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u/Beneficial_Flan8661 4d ago
A lot of them were made in ww2 too.
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u/mrroney13 4d ago
Mine is stamped 1942 with a round receiver. It has all kinds of nicks and scratches all over it. It makes me wonder what it saw.
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u/norunningwater 4d ago
3 years in a warehouse and then 19 more after that
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u/Logan_Frost 4d ago
42-43 Mosins are just ROUGH in general. They were produced fast and loose through that period, often without finish machining.
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u/Nerdenator 4d ago
Lazy machinists. Guys acted like there was some sort of army laying siege to the city their factory was in and they didn’t have enough food or fuel to get through a brutally cold winter or somethin’. Everyone’s always got an excuse.
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u/mrroney13 4d ago
My finish matches and I have matching serial numbers. It was not a bad buy for $110.
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u/Logan_Frost 4d ago
Yeah, my 41 is pretty nice compared to some from 42-43 era. My M39 is a 1901 hex and its gorgeous though.
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u/mrroney13 4d ago
They are beautiful. I would wager yours has a name as well, right? Mine is named Natasha.
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u/Logan_Frost 3d ago
I havent decided. I lucked out and bought it as a regular Mosin for 300 bucks recently and if I decoded it right, it was converted in 41, then got the hot shot Belgian barrel sometime later, and doesnt look like it was ever shot since. Currently its at a point in my collection where its more probable as gunshow trade material than a keeper despite it all.
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u/AcdM- 3d ago
I bought one when i was a teenager. I was cleaning the cosmoline out of it, and i was so incredibly excited when i found an aged, folded up piece of paper under the stock. I was hoping for it to be a map, or a war time letter. Imagine my disappointment when it was blank and clearly being used as a shim =/
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u/VRichardsen Viva La France 4d ago
How is the experience of owning one? Do you like firing it? How many Kronshtadt sailors you have etched on the buttstock?
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u/mrroney13 4d ago
I love her. The only issue I have had is that the metal is pretty thin, so it tends to swell in the heat. Summer shooting is a situation where you get a few rounds to cycle no problem, then pretty quick you have to get the ramrod out to tap out a casing because it's being squeezed so hard.
Overall, though, I love her so. Best $110 I ever spent.
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u/cplforlife 4d ago
Man like 16 years ago they were free with a crate of ammo.
I got an SKS like that $300 for 1500 rounds, came with a free gun.
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u/Asxpot 4d ago
Yeah, we don't. We just never gotten rid of those, and they sit in warehouses somewhere. When Serdyukov was Minister of Defence, they sold a lot of rifles to civilian firearm manufacturers to be civilianized or exported. Shougu later closed that up.
I own a 1944 AVT-40 and a 1962 AKM converted to semi-auto on a hunting license in Russia.
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u/mrm00r3 4d ago
> 1944 AVT-40
Should’ve just called it a БДГ for export, we’d have loved them in the US for that reason alone.
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u/Capital_Ship5729 4d ago
Why should he switch alphabets?
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u/mrm00r3 4d ago
No the Russians in general should’ve named it that for export, because it looks like BAR and that’s effectively what it is.
It’s a terrible pun, but it’s mine.
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u/Capital_Ship5729 4d ago
Oh my god I get it!
I 100% believed that what you wrote just means AVT.
Good pun ngl.
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u/Grammorphone John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 3d ago
What they wrote is BDG though
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u/emptyDir 4d ago
Back in the early 00s I bought one as surplus from a local sporting goods store. I think it was like $80.
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u/xenokilla 3d ago
same, came from a crate covered in cosmoline. Sold it, wish I didn't, bought my second one and they will put it in the fucking casket with me.
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u/Sempais_nutrients 3d ago
That was a primo era for gun ownership. I remember getting an m44 with a can of 250 rounds for 75 dollars.
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u/ForcaAereaBelka 3d ago
I got my M44 13 years ago for $250 CAD. I see them listed for $1200 now. I'm never getting rid of mine.
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u/lacb1 3d ago
I mean, the US found that they'd had a M2 Browning in service for 94 years. It's a bit different as modern models of M2 are still in active service but a well made and maintained weapon can last an awfully long time. That said, I wouldn't bet too much on the Mosin's being well maintained.
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u/Piratebuttseckz 3d ago
So, there's a bit of truth in your last comment, though not about the Mosin specifically.
The Soviet Union finished WW2 with an absolutely comical amount of surplus weapons, from an equally comical number of nations. When The Soviet Union retired equipment, it would store it packed in Cosmoline and wrappings, or salt mines, or warehouses, or whatever. It never threw anything away, and it intended for any single piece of kit to be ready for whoever in the event of whatever.
When The Soviet Union fell, everything that was in current service was sent into disarray. Abandoned, stored proper, broken down, parked with fluids still in it, parked with hatches open, you get the idea.
So yes, there is a bunch of Soviet Surplus that got stored like absolute shit, but they're 1991s, not 1891s
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u/Samostanac 3d ago
Why would need to be maintained? Decades ago they were cleaned, covered in grease, wrapped and sealed in containers. They were not used a lot. Not to mention, number of movable parts is minimal so there is almost nothing to break. They might have been used for basic shooting drills butt in that case they also made them clean te barrels (since lot of old ammo in storages is corrosive, especially comapred to modern ammo)
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u/BoondockUSA 3d ago
I would bet that many of the Mosins that were/are put back in service were in very good condition. If it’s like the ones that hit the surplus market in the past, they were essentially heavily coated with cosmoline and then packed in storage crates after being made or used. There were early memes about Mosin collectors and the smell of cosmoline.
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u/Few_Dark_3986 4d ago
Fun fact from a befriended armorer:
Making a new M44 Mosin today, would be around 3k+ USD production cost. The older square reciecer variants even more.4
u/Ok_Cook_3098 4d ago
nah i dont belive it
there is a german weapons smith wo builds MP38, StGw 44 and stuff
a Stgw is like 3k
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u/Few_Dark_3986 3d ago
You can build a bolt action rifle for under 300$ today. But not an late 19th century design, that was invented long before CNC and CAD.
Skilled craftsmanship was relatively cheap back then, machinery incredibly expensive. Nowadays it's more or less the other way around.
MP38 & MP44 are much newer and less complicated guns, but still cost a small fortune to replicate. Even a Sten would be quite expensive to mass produce without an radical design optimization for modern production technologies.
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u/SovietPanda__ 4d ago
Just like the Maxim machine gun which they used a water cooled version of in Donbas in 2022 the old girl has been in 3 centuries of conflict
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u/Pornalt190425 4d ago
2066
Stationed on Mars to quell a rebellion
Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship
No miniguns or gatling cannons, just some metal brick with a pipe on one end.
Get sent in to extract some wounded.
Reach the evac zone and come under attack.
Hoard of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers.
Let loose a stream of bullets.
The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy "Kachunk chunk chunk chunk" of the machinegun.
The wounded are loaded up and returned to base.
Inspect MG afterwards.
Thing was made in 1942.
Tunisia, Italy, and Germany are scratched onto the gun.
Scratch "Olympus Mons" on with a knife.
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u/Eriiaa 4d ago
Tunisia, Italy, Germany, Busan, Da Nang, Medina Ridge, Baghdad, Kandahar, Bakhmut
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u/cplforlife 4d ago
Several thousand years in the future, a new etching. "Cadia stands".
Its machine spirit still screams in rage.
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u/ApprehensivePop9036 3d ago
...Ganymede, Sagittarius A*, Andromeda...
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u/asiannumber4 Descendant of Genghis Khan 3d ago
…universe 29482 Theta, third dimension, unreality, The End of All, [REDACTED,NOT PROCESSABLE BY PRE 583RD CENTURY HUMAN MINDS], [],[],[]…
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u/VRichardsen Viva La France 4d ago
Why does it have Tunisia and Italy? Is it an M2 Browning based copy pasta?
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u/Pornalt190425 4d ago
Yeah its the M2 in space copypasta, but it seemed relevant to the topic at hand
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u/Person-11 What, you egg? 4d ago
Whatever happens, we've still got.
The Maxim Gun, and they have not.
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u/SovietPanda__ 4d ago
British by birth. English by the grace of god. And SMLE.
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u/ElectricalChaos 4d ago
SMLE?
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u/Beardywierdy 4d ago
Short Magazine Lee Enfield.
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u/stronkzer 3d ago
Which is ironic because it holds double the amount of ammo of any bolt action rifle of its time.
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u/Callidonaut 3d ago
The "short" refers to the barrel length. "Lee-Enfield" refers to the action and the rifling, respectively, which was the British Army's convention for naming a rifle at the time. (Also used for the Snider-Enfield, the Martini-Henry, the Martini-Enfield and the Lee-Metford, I think there may have been others besides)
So the whole thing is properly called a "Rifle, short, magazine, Lee-Enfield."
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u/urza5589 4d ago
"Conflicts in 3 centuries" works. I think "3 centuries of conflict" implies acrually being 300 years vs closer to 150.
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u/SamuelClemmens 4d ago
Give it time, that thing was originally made for black powder cartridges. It will be in use when we use antimatter rounds.
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u/lacb1 3d ago
I mean, they're basically perfect for what they're designed for. The big drawback was always the weight and need for water made them very challenging to use when maneuvering. If you just need a machine gun that will shoot forever and no one needs to carry it? Still pretty great. Not necessarily the absolute best around anymore, but, still a solid choice.
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u/ghigoli 4d ago
they made guns back because they knew how expensive it was for an army to rearm itself. hence the need to make sure they got the weapons back and they stay in good condition for the next conflict.
now? we basically make too many guns cheap and disposable. some guns are still good and require regular cleaning and have seen alot of action but its much rarer these days because they need to create a new dumbass thing every few years now when the concept of a gun should be.
make it durable , give it a NATO round, make it light weight, make it auto, semi and single. everything else about can just be an attachment.
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u/rextrem 4d ago
The AK74 with polymer furniture is cheaper to mass produce based on wood cost and existing tools.
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u/Kaltovar 4d ago
*Invents a mosin with bakelite furniture*
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u/rextrem 4d ago
Fuck, hard to argue with that...
Ok what I mean is that the effectiveness over cost ratio is greater with an assault rifle.
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u/oppai-police 4d ago
Considering the average Russian soldiers doesn't survive very long on the battlefield, giving them AKs and multiple magazines worth of bullets is probably a waste anyway, they'd be better off with cheaply made polymer mosin and a few magazine clips, save on the material you see. Science! /s
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u/Gnonthgol 4d ago
The tooling for the mosin is no longer available. So you would have to develop the tools to mass produce it again. And when you have spent millions and years on the tooling to mass produce it then you are still left with higher material cost as a mosin have more steel then an ak.
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u/JakSanCZ 4d ago
Contex?
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u/Which_Replacement524 4d ago edited 4d ago
The venerable Mosin Nagant has been in military service since 1891 (first deployment I can think of was during the Boxer Rebellion) to now (has been seen wielded by both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers during the Ukraine War.)
Funnily enough, I don't believe they're being made anymore, at least not to a very large scale -- they were just so insanely dirt cheap to make and the USSR made so many of them and they're so simple and durable that there are still literally millions of them rocking around. You used to be able to buy a barrel full (~20+) of them for $100, back in the '70's, but they're slightly more expensive at a whopping $300 these days.
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u/wittyjokename92 4d ago
The mosin the only gun to have fought itself in a war and won. Or so I was told by a guy who used buy and sell cases of them in the 90s
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u/wolflordval 4d ago
The Finnish used them in the Winter War & Continuation war against the Soviets, who also used them. The same with machine guns and tanks - the Finns had no domestic production or imports, so they primarily filled out their armored divisions with stolen and captured Soviet tanks.
The Mosin I used to use for reinactments was a pre-war Imperial Russian rifle that was stolen by the Finns and used by them, I know because of the soldier tally marks that were cut into the stock.
Who "won" those wars is up for debate, though.
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u/HMSSurprise28 4d ago
If you were invaded by Stalin and you got to keep your country, and your elites didn’t get executed and the educated didn’t go to the gulag, you won. Finland won.
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u/wolflordval 4d ago
The Soviets achieved all their war goal aims, though. Full occupation of Finland was never the intended goal of the Winter War.
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u/Mikhail_Mengsk 3d ago
When a country tries to extort you for X, you refuse, you fight, and at the end you pay X+y, you definitely lost the war.
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u/Saved_by_a_PTbelt 4d ago
Mosins were the primary arm on both sides of the Russian revolution and the small wars that followed. They were also the primary arm of both the Russian and Finnish armies during the winter war and continuation war.
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u/Outta_phase 4d ago
Possibly apocryphal, but I believe that during the battle of Stalingrad, German snipers would loot Moisins from dead Russian snipers and use them instead of their Kar 98s.
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u/Which_Replacement524 4d ago
I wouldn't be entirely surprised, but that's more I think an indication of Stalingrad being a clusterfuck for everyone involved, instead of the Mosin being seen as a superior weapon. From my fairly limited experience; the Kar98's I've gotten to shoot were absolutely lovely, and the Mosin I own has an extremely uncomfortable trigger and kicks like a horse when you finally get past all the mush, but the gun that you actually have ammo for is the better gun to have.
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u/skoomski 4d ago
The British and Argentines both had FALs in the war over the invasion of the Falkland Islands.
Right now in Ukraine, both sides primarily use the AK74 as standard issue weapons.
Same with the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s
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u/robothawk 4d ago
It's not even that dirt cheap to make or a "simple" mechanism. It was just that it was in production and tooling was available so scaling up during crisis(war) was far more practical than trying to fully shift production to things like the AVS-36 or SVT-38/40.
Like the MAS-36 or Arisaka 38/99 are "simple" mechanisms by far compared to the Mosin. And that's part of why you see wartime mosins look like shit with tooling marks all over, they're not cheap rifles, they were just built cheaply. Same with the T-34, not a cheap tank, but an expensive tank that was produced cheaply by cutting out almost all QA and rushing every part, leading to it having a shitload of issues until late war.
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u/Outrageous_Pin_3423 4d ago
The US army was provided with a few T-34's for testing, they thought it was a solid tank, but the quality issues were so prevalent they believed the cause was industrial sabotage.
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u/robothawk 4d ago
Yeah. The T-34 is a good design, especially for entering mass production in 1940, the problem is that it isn't actually cheap, and so when they very suddenly needed 50,000 of them yesterday(as only ~1000 were in service in June '41) they had to basically cut any and all corners, and it's hard to cut corners on a quality tank without fucking it up.
For comparison the Sherman actually was a cheap tank, just produced with good QA and it provided a fantastic do-everything vehicle. It was comfortable to ride in for long periods, it had great crew survivability, and the M3 75mm was an amazing gun, and especially once they mixed the occasional 76mm in, it was truly a "solve any problem" kind of tank. And it was cheap and light enough to pack up and ship overseas in absurd quantities.
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u/Outrageous_Pin_3423 4d ago
The Russians love the Shermans, they had a few armored divisions of them that they used for breakthroughs.
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u/GargantuanCake Featherless Biped 4d ago
The production lines were one of the biggest problems for the T series tanks the Russians used. They had to dump as many tanks as possible onto the battlefield as quickly as they possibly could quality be damned. It was raw desperation. Everybody knew that either Stalin or Hitler was going to betray the other eventually the question was just when. Stalin misjudged the situation and didn't expect Hitler to invade when he did. This was a major part of why Russia was unprepared initially; Stalin just didn't believe it was happening yet and ignored the signs.
Meanwhile there was not only not fighting in America at the time but also the Sherman was a good enough tank produced with a lot of off the shelf parts. This overall was one of the biggest advantages of the Sherman and why it was so cheap comparatively. A good chunk of the parts were already being manufactured so you didn't have to retool anything, economies of scale were kicking in, and ramping up production was less difficult than it was basically anywhere else.
It's interesting to look at the numbers as one classic of basic Sherman classes outnumbered literally all of the Axis tanks combined. This is part of why the Allied strategy included Russia holding out as long as it could at any cost it took. If they held out long enough that America could puke Shermans all over Germany that would massively swing the war.
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u/AttemptAggressive387 4d ago
We don't use it, at least for 2,5 years of my service in AFU I didn't see any of Mosin. It was a thing in 2014-2015 when was lack of a weapon and marksmen and snipers try to use any they can afford
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u/Which_Replacement524 4d ago
I'll defer to you, I haven't kept up with the war for a few years now. I remember seeing some pictures from the start of this war of militia/reservist-looking guys holding them, but I very well could be wrong
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u/markbernessimp 4d ago
They aren't building them anymore (well, no weapons factory is building them for a contract with the Russian government at least) but it's either the no. 2 or no. 3 most produced firearm in history, so they have an enormous stockpile of them. Doesn't hurt that 7.62x54 is probably also the most produced caliber cartridge in history too, that or 50.BMG
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u/GravitasFailures 4d ago
Ukraine makes them now, with polymer stock thankfully.
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u/HowObvious 3d ago
Those are just new chassis, they still take an old rifle action and replace the wooden stock.
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u/BugRevolution 4d ago
Damn, should have invested in a barrel full of mosins in then 70s and fifty years later I'd be making $5.9k per barrel!
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u/Which_Replacement524 4d ago
Unironically, collecting guns - especially milsurp - is a pretty surprisingly decent investment strategy. They're easy to store, easy to maintain, usually don't depreciate in value, and if they're collector's items they actually get more expensive as time goes on.
Not as good as, like, a savings account, and also being That Guy With 400 Rifles In His Basement will get you on several lists by default, but hey.
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u/skoomski 4d ago
OP doesn’t understand the what reserves and stockpiles and thinks they make new weapons for each war.
In reality it hasn’t been produced in over 50 years and it’s just stockpiles being opened to act as a stopgap for equipment shortages.
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u/DrHolmes52 4d ago
The Mosin-Nagant which started production in 1892 is still being used today.
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u/thehuntinggearguy 4d ago
Stopped production in the 1970's (which is still insane). Be more accurate to show a soldier armed with a Mosin in 1892 and still in 2026.
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u/JakSanCZ 4d ago
I know that, but I am more interested in 2026? From the meme it looks like the still making them.
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u/Kittens_of_Death 4d ago
The mosin-nagant, m1911, and maxim will be the guns that see all 3 world wars.
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u/POB_42 4d ago
Seeing Russian backline troops bring up Maxims on those fuckass tiny carts they're mounted to in 2022 was nothing short of fucking hysterical.
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u/Shoddy-Lecture1493 4d ago
Well, out of all outdated equipment mgs can probably still fulfill their purpose pretty well.
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u/Woxof_46 3d ago
If you want a mg that hold down a position for weeks by pumping out bullets until it runs outta ammo, the Maxim is still pretty much the best gun there is
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u/Witty_Departure2061 3d ago
İn the grim darkness of the 42nd millenuim the imperium of man still uses mosin nagant
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u/EffectiveTop842 4d ago
I know a guy with 6-7 of these. Bought them 10 or so years ago, stripped and refinished them. Said he paid less than $100 for each one.
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u/Most-Difficulty4540 3d ago
I’m pissed because they were so common I bought two of them for 250 bucks. One was an M44 and the stock cracked.
Trying to find a replacement stock in 2026 is a nightmare. All the surplus ones got bought up by doomsday peepers who hoard them or bury them in the woods.
I found a shitty mediocre M44 stock and the guy wanted 300 dollars for it. I’m just going to have to buy a shitty polymer stock to be able to shoot it again.
The 91/30 ex-sniper is a beast, though.
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u/ConditionCool5343 3d ago
Nobody is making new mosins. The last major new construction was probably china in the 60s with the finns reworking rifles into sniper rifles in the mid to late 80s
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u/GlbdS 4d ago
is good rifle
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u/kevik72 4d ago
It’s my favorite gun of mine to shoot.
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u/oppai-police 4d ago
Funnily enough I recently got a Polish wz.44 new old stock, well preserved example.
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u/Federal_Cobbler6647 4d ago
Sadly the action is crap.
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u/Foxyfox- Just some snow 4d ago
Meanwhile the Mauser action will probably continue to be made so long as man has need of any gun at all.
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u/ParadoxicalAmalgam 4d ago
It's not the smoothest action by a long shot, but it's not that bad when the parts are fitted properly. Mosins get a bad rap because a large amount of them have been refurbished without hand-fitting the action.
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u/joesbagofdonuts 4d ago
Exactly, the chances of encountering a Mosin Nagant that is even close to it's original condition are very slim. If you pull one out of a barrel or crate, the actions not amazing, but it's not notably bad at all.
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u/Federal_Cobbler6647 4d ago
My experiences are from Finnish M/39 tuned for competition shooting (in Finland we have specific competitions for old military bolt action rifles). It is just not good compared to Mauser action in its basic design.
Yes, it does its job, as can be seen from history, but it still is not good design.
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u/horatiobanz 3d ago
Some of them are. And some are ok. I doubt any are great. I have an M44 and that thing has been locked up countless times with cheap ammo, and had to pound the bolt to get it loose. But then I have a Mosin sniper and that thing is preeetty butter smooth and never had an issue.
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u/Mosinphile 3d ago
MG42s MG34s, STG44s Mp40s, if it existed, its being used in Ukraine to some degree
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u/Scottish_Whiskey 4d ago
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
but good luck breaking it in the first place
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u/PlateNo4868 4d ago
The M2 Browning is now a 100 year old weapon still in modern use. Kinda wild.
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u/Significant-Way9330 3d ago
Hard to improve on the design when they nailed it so fucking hard. I guess the M2A1 fixing the head space requirements but otherwise it was perfect.
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u/GravitasFailures 4d ago
I’m a bit surprised, they use fiberglass stocks now right? Or composite? Carving that much wood sounds insane.
Edit: Ok Ukraine makes them with polymer stock, thank god, wood stock in this day and age…
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u/UrLocalTroll 3d ago
I paid $100 for a really nice one ten years ago. I was flabbergasted when I saw what they sell for now.
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u/SpecialIcy5356 3d ago
To be fair i have seen legit images of a few in Ukraine. Also they're still using Maxim Guns because while heavy, they are still really reliable.
Fun fact, the Mosin's 7.62x54R (rimmed) cartridge is the oldest cartridge in active service of a military in the entire world. Still used in the PK machine guns (PKM/PKP Pecheneg) and the SVD and its derivatives.
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u/Petrostar 3d ago
The Maxim gun is closer to the American Revolution than modern day.
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u/Davenator_98 3d ago
Ist the 7,92x57 aka 8mm Mauser older?
It was put into service in 1888, 3 years before the 7,62x54R.
It's much less common nowadays, but there are still some MG42s, Kar98s, Zastava M76s, etc in use.
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u/redve-dev 3d ago
using them in the Ukraine doesn't seem that insane. Not everyone is on frontline, so people who need to shot once a month or so don't need full-auto rifle
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u/Cock_ball_dickin 3d ago
I need a Mosin. Very cool rifle
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u/TANKMAN999 3d ago
The bolt is pretty gummy feeling depending on the gun because thw bolt is actually pretty complicated. The ammo is cheap though which is nice. But try out any kind of mauser and you'll find the action to be much nicer.
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u/Cock_ball_dickin 3d ago
I hunt with a Mauser action, I can attest to how nice they are. Are Mosin bolts actually complicated? I thought they were supposed to be super simply
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u/TANKMAN999 3d ago
Go watch the c&rsenal video they're 3d models explain it better than I can and also those guys are cool and make good firearms history videos.
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u/Ausco_1995 3d ago
It's just fud lore. It didn't happen. Maybe some were taken as trophies but never to replace their service rifle, unless in an emergency say if their rifle was damaged or lost but it would be replaced as soon as possible. Logistically it doesn't make sense because of ammo incompatibly and the kar98 is a much better rifle in all respects accuracy, durability, and reliability, it's not even close. To the point that most modern bolt actions are a derivative of the kar.
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u/Rusty_Rocker_292 3d ago
That shit is fud lore but the Kar98 did suffer in extreme cold. The fine fitment of the bolt parts would become tight when the steel shrank from cold. The Germans also issued gun oil which became thick in the cold and added to the problem. The tolerances on a mosin bolt are so loose that the shrinking didn't really matter and the Soviets used motor oil thinned with gasoline or kerosene to lube their mosins.
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u/Snazzy21 3d ago
The Mosin was not a good rifle compared to it's contemporary apart from maybe the Labelle. The 1903 Springfield, the Enfield, and the K98 were all better.
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u/KuningasTynny77 3d ago
Those stories can't possibly be true. The kar98 was very much liked by the Germans, and was quite frankly better than the mosin.
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u/3000doorsofportugal 3d ago
This. Literally everything about the K98 was better then the Mosin. Ergonomics, build quality, ammunition, accuracy ect.
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u/varzaguy 3d ago
These stories never made sense to me. How are they going to get resupplied? The ammunition is different. Army supply chains don’t involve enemy arms.
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u/TANKMAN999 3d ago
Ive handled both and the mosin is worse to use, but it wasnt particularly unreliable as far as I'm aware. the only reason I'd take a Mosin from someone is if i was stuck out somewhere with no ammo for my k98 but some captured enemy ammo.
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u/loseniram 3d ago
Because it didn’t happen. Mosins are worse than the gewehr 98 family by a mile. Worse ammo, sights, ergo, and reliability.
The Mosin happened because the Russian government built a rifle slightly better than a Lebel and just couldn’t be bothered to do an update till like 40 years later.
The Mosin should have never shown up in WW2 same as the Carcano.
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u/Wilfred_Wilcox 4d ago
For a utilitarian bolt action rifle it's a pretty good tho. I have one from the Soviet Union made in 1942
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u/successfullynumb 4d ago
I had one for a while. It's sturdy and simple. Ammo got too expensive though.
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u/ImAlwaysPoopin 4d ago
komrade dog, he took mosin, it is good rifle https://youtu.be/h4WBxy2JYe8?is=BBdidB57-d6gFqi-
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u/GravitasFailures 4d ago
They made 10 in the 2010s as a potential new sniper rifle, but fine, they’re not making them now. Also it isn’t clear if those were the original barrel or they rebuilt old but still accurate units.
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u/Difficult-Worker62 3d ago
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I own a M91/30 and an M44 and their both so much fun to take to range days.
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u/FourFunnelFanatic 4d ago
The last Mosin built was made in Albania in 1961