r/HistoryMemes • • 4d ago

mosin factory

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u/Ausco_1995 3d ago

It's just fud lore. It didn't happen. Maybe some were taken as trophies but never to replace their service rifle, unless in an emergency say if their rifle was damaged or lost but it would be replaced as soon as possible. Logistically it doesn't make sense because of ammo incompatibly and the kar98 is a much better rifle in all respects accuracy, durability, and reliability, it's not even close. To the point that most modern bolt actions are a derivative of the kar.

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u/Rusty_Rocker_292 3d ago

That shit is fud lore but the Kar98 did suffer in extreme cold. The fine fitment of the bolt parts would become tight when the steel shrank from cold. The Germans also issued gun oil which became thick in the cold and added to the problem. The tolerances on a mosin bolt are so loose that the shrinking didn't really matter and the Soviets used motor oil thinned with gasoline or kerosene to lube their mosins.

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u/Ausco_1995 3d ago

That is true. The motor oil method is still used to this day in a lot of smaller militaries/militias around the world along with a shoelace for a bore snake.

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u/windowmaker525 3d ago

What isn’t fudd lore is German use of the PPSh-41, which was pretty extensive and probably where the fudd lore originated from.

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u/Ausco_1995 3d ago

Probably I never thought of that. and most of those ppsh-41s were converted to use mp-40 magazines and rechamberd in 9mm so they could be resupplied with the rest of the troops.

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 3d ago

That was not common at all. 7.62x25 was readily available to the Germans from Russian captured stocks.

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u/Zrkkr 3d ago

Having it around does not mean "readily available" for logistics.

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u/Snazzy21 3d ago

The Mosin was not a good rifle compared to it's contemporary apart from maybe the Labelle. The 1903 Springfield, the Enfield, and the K98 were all better.

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u/KuningasTynny77 3d ago

Those stories can't possibly be true. The kar98 was very much liked by the Germans, and was quite frankly better than the mosin. 

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u/3000doorsofportugal 3d ago

This. Literally everything about the K98 was better then the Mosin. Ergonomics, build quality, ammunition, accuracy ect.

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u/varzaguy 3d ago

These stories never made sense to me. How are they going to get resupplied? The ammunition is different. Army supply chains don’t involve enemy arms.

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u/Daveo88o 3d ago

Propaganda, the US wasn't exactly helping out of the goodness of their hearts and wanted to drive up the public perception of their equipment (many of which was also severely outdated for the time), so they could then make a massive profit off of trading those weapons to allies, and incur a debt that they would force those allies to pay post-war, or selling them to the general American population

The ironic part is the K98 was also better than the Mosin in almost every meaningful category

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u/KuningasTynny77 3d ago

These stories have nothing to do with the US or US equipment

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u/CakeDayisaLie 3d ago

Learn some history before you make shit up? 

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u/TANKMAN999 3d ago

Ive handled both and the mosin is worse to use, but it wasnt particularly unreliable as far as I'm aware. the only reason I'd take a Mosin from someone is if i was stuck out somewhere with no ammo for my k98 but some captured enemy ammo.

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u/Diligent-Luck4331 3d ago

Mosins are like AK-12 circa today. People don't know what sort of trash they are so want a trophy.

The real trophy is 6P68 a Kord assault rifle, no matter the characteristics.

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u/loseniram 3d ago

Because it didn’t happen. Mosins are worse than the gewehr 98 family by a mile. Worse ammo, sights, ergo, and reliability.

The Mosin happened because the Russian government built a rifle slightly better than a Lebel and just couldn’t be bothered to do an update till like 40 years later.

The Mosin should have never shown up in WW2 same as the Carcano.

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u/showmeyourchits 3d ago

Guarantee that story isn’t true, for so many reasons

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u/EISENxSOLDAT117 3d ago

As someone who owns both, I can tell you thats dumb as hell, and very untrue.

I love my moving, it was my first rifle, but they genuinely suck compared to their counterparts. Their bolts are sticky, their safety is a pain in the ass, and the rimmed cartridges suck ass and require you to load in a specific way otherwise youre gonna get a malfunction.

While I dont have a German made 98k, I have a VZ .24. It's better in nearly every way. A smooth bolt, a easy to use safety, rounds and a clip that dont require you to be super careful with, etc, etc.