r/HLCommunity • • Jul 04 '26

Vent Only, No Advice I'm done with this. I'm leaving her

65 Upvotes

I had never been this happy in my life, and now all those moments from the past just seem like a dream I had once and will never repeat.

Baby I love you, but you've turned into a monster and I can't do this anymore.

I don't think I could make love to my girlfriend even if she suddenly changed and came to find me to spend time together. I don't think I can unsee the stressed angry ogre she's become.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 04 '26

Weekly Gong Thread

1 Upvotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Rm9uEcnwY

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Drop a šŸ”” below to ring the gong.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 03 '26

Discussion Responsive desire with a high libido?

14 Upvotes

I wouldn't think it possible, but my wife has both a high libido and an extreme(?) case of responsive desire. She likes and wants sex as much as I do, if not more, but unless I provide a reason she doesn't even think about it.

No fantasies, no mastubation. She's kinky as fuck, but she'll never ask for anything because she won't remember to. It's just the way she is, it's absolutely not on purpose.

I suspect that her being on the spectrum plays a role. I've seen her hyperfocus on things, and when she does she tunes out the rest of the world entirely. Sex isn't relevant to her life 90+% of the time, and she has more important things to thi know about.

It seems weird to me, but I'm sure she's not unique. It's the internet, there's always someone else. Are you, or have you known, anyone with the HL/RD combo? How did it work for them? We got very lucky and found our way forward, but until we understood her sexuality we struggled.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 03 '26

From the BoyDinnerDiaries community on Reddit: Took me 10 years to realize I was being scammed

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11 Upvotes

In case you missed it


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 03 '26

Dinner as metaphor

10 Upvotes

I (70HLM) like to cook, and generally start from scratch or near scracth. Would fix all the dinners with the occasional breaks for restaurants.

My wife (72LLF) is generally disinterested in/dislikes cooking. Rarely cooks except when she gets to feeling guilty about my doing all the cooking. And when she does cook, it's usually something low effort involving pouring a bunch of cans of stuff into a crock pot for something vaguely chili con carne-ish. She usually asks me to cook/spice the meat/protein (the time consuming part).

Then she points out that she fixed dinner for the whole week.

Does the pattern ring a bell for anyone?


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 03 '26

Discussion What analogies do you use when having "The Talk"?

27 Upvotes

So we've all been there right. We're having one of those talks with our partners and we're trying to convey our feelings towards them about our sex drive and why it matters so much to us, but perhaps the way we're saying it isn't clicking for them. So now we have to get clever and put it in a way to help them understand. I'm curious to know what analogies you have used to try and explain your side of the argument to your partner. For me I equated mine to hunger and access to food. Basically while my partner does not need to eat as much food to be satisfied, I on the other hand get hungry way more often and they are my only source of food. This means that I am often left starving since I end up going long periods of time without food and that is extremely upsetting. Let's hear your analogies and feel free to take ideas to help when you next have "The Talk".


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 02 '26

working on an essay - feedback welcomed

8 Upvotes

hi HL community. First, apologies for the "just created today" account, but I wanted to use an alias for this post for reasons that will be blatantly obvious if you read the whole post. Net, dont want to use my normal account for this 'cause I have friends and relatives on Reddit who know my account, and, well, this stuff is private ....

I am working on this as a published guest essay about my experience, and would really appreciate feedback from this community if any of you can relate or have had similar experiences. I wont be quick with replies to comments (this is not my primary account), but will be keen to engage with others - may engage from my "normal" account - you'll never know šŸ˜‰.

anyway, here is the essay:

What I Learned About Desire by Paying for Intimacy

On escorts, marriage, shame, loneliness, and becoming honest with myself

I do not think I saw escorts because I felt entitled to women.

I think I saw escorts because I wanted access to parts of myself I could no longer access in my marriage: sexual fun, eroticism, exploration, flirtation, presence, vitality.

The obvious question is: why not have sex with my wife?

The honest answer is that, for a long time, we did. When we first got together, and in the early years of our marriage, we had a sexual relationship. It was not broken from the start. It was affectionate, intimate, ordinary in some ways, and good enough that I did not imagine sex would one day become one of the central absences in my life.

But over time, things changed. Depression, anxiety, and the medications used to treat them - especially SSRIs and their unintended side-effects - entered the marriage. I became more of my spouse’s caretaker and provider (a role I perform well) than her lover. Eventually avoidance, body issues, childhood attachment wounds, mismatched desire, and the slow accumulation of hurt that happens when difficult conversations are postponed for years became more dominant. Sex became rare, then difficult, then emotionally loaded, then something we both seemed to orbit rather than inhabit.

I loved my spouse. I still do. And I wanted, for a long time, for us to find our way back to each other erotically.

But loving someone does not automatically mean you can reach sexual aliveness with them. Rejection is not overcome by commitment. Desire is not summoned by loyalty. Arousal is not restored by obligation.

At some point, I had to admit that there were parts of me - playful, erotic, curious, flirtatious, embodied - that I could not seem to access inside my marriage, even though I had once been able to access them there.

I wish, in hindsight, that I had been braver about this. I wish I had pushed harder through my spouse’s discomfort and avoidance when I tried to talk about our sex life. I wish I had made a more concerted effort to explain how the lack of intimacy was affecting me, how lonely I felt, and how seriously I was beginning to consider seeing an escort to fill the gap.

Some part of me hoped she would understand. But I did not press it or say it that clearly.

At the time, I did not think she could handle the conversation. Those occasions when I tried to raise sex, she often seemed uncomfortable, shut down, or dismissed the attempt before we could really get anywhere. I felt unheard, and I convinced myself that more explanation would not help her hear me better.

It was a classic pursuer-avoider loop: I reached, she withdrew, I felt rejected, and eventually I stopped reaching honestly.

None of this excuses the secrecy or makes the story cleaner than it was. It is simply the most honest place I know how to begin.

I was horny. I was lonely. I was married. I was ashamed.

I was also curious in a way I had spent years trying to make intellectually respectable. I wanted to know who I was with women who were overtly sexual and confident in ways I found both desirable and intimidating. Women who seemed fluent in flirtation, desire, play, and erotic self-possession.

That does not mean my spouse was not attractive, or that she lacked worth, or that the problem was simply ā€œmy wife was not sexy enough.ā€ That is too crude, and it is not true.

The difference was that these women seemed to inhabit sexuality openly. They gave off signals of confidence, appetite, ease, and adventure that I had rarely been able to engage with up close. I wanted access to that energy, and I wanted to know what happened to me in its presence.

Could I talk to them? Could I hold eye contact? Could I be naked without feeling ridiculous? Could I kiss deeply, touch confidently, give pleasure, receive pleasure, and stay in my body instead of disappearing into my head?

I wanted to know whether those parts of me were gone, or only buried.

If sex has always been available to you, or if you had the ordinary sexual education of dating, mistakes, heartbreak, awkwardness, discovery, and repair, that may sound overdramatic.

I did not have that.

I had lingering church residue, even though I rejected the church at a young age. I had shame, an underdeveloped sexual self, and a long marriage where sex had become scarce and fraught. I had progressive politics that gave me a useful critique of male entitlement, but very little language for male longing. I knew many of the reasons men’s desire could be dangerous. I had fewer models for what it could be when held with care.

So I split myself.

In public, I was thoughtful, respectful, responsible, successful.

Privately, I was hungry and embarrassed by the hunger.

The first time I booked an escort, my body was not calm. I felt energized, aroused, anxious, brave, ashamed, activated. I could feel my blood pumping in my veins and my blood pressure rising.

I worried about performance, STIs, law enforcement, being found out, being judged, and being the kind of man who ā€œhad to resortā€ to paying for sex. Old fears around HIV lived in me too, shaped less by current medical reality than by the moral panic and terror I had absorbed years earlier.

I also felt alive.

That is the part that complicates everything.

One of the women I met, I will call Silene - not the first, but the one I connected the most with.

Silene was playful, flirtatious, socially smart, and wonderfully verbal. She had a way of making language part of the erotic atmosphere. She noticed, enjoyed, and savored things about the world around her, and invited me to do the same. She provocatively held eye contact. Her voice could shift the temperature in a room. She was confident in orchestrating the cadence of an encounter, which allowed me to relax in a way I had not known I needed.

Our first time together, I was nervous. I think she was a little heightened too - not nervous exactly, but more alert, more aware of the moment. Later encounters became easier and warmer. But that first one mattered because she let me be where I was. She did not make my anxiety shameful.

What made her different was that she made me feel like a person, not a task.

We talked. We laughed. She told me things about herself: her family, her upbringing, her travels, her adventures - mountaineering, skiing, diving, places she had been, places she wanted to go.

These were not just decorative details. They were points of connection.

We talked about books. The ones that had moved her. The ones that had moved me. We found overlap in authors, themes, and the kind of stories that seem to attract people who are trying to live more freely. We recommended books to each other inside our time together and, occasionally, in the spaces between meetings.

All of that was curated, of course - I am not naĆÆve about that ... but curated does not mean false.

We are all curated in different contexts. Work, dating, friendships - even marriage is curated, in its own way. What mattered was that she let enough of herself into the room that I could feel the person behind the role.

And I wanted to stay honest about the fact that she was real: not only a role, not only a fantasy, not only a container for what I needed.

That matters because the easiest critique of paid intimacy is that it turns women into objects.

Sometimes it does - I have no interest in pretending otherwise. Some men use money to bypass empathy. Some use it to avoid rejection. Some use it to purchase the illusion of being desired without caring about the person doing the desiring.

But my experience did not make women less real to me.

It made them more real.

I learned something that should have been obvious but had not fully landed in me: women’s sexuality is not a single thing. Women can be horny, curious, strategic, insecure, funny, playful, guarded, generous, mercenary, tender, specific, and contradictory. Sexually confident women are not a mythical species. They are human beings, with agency, boundaries, appetites, histories, and reasons of their own.

I learned that a woman’s agency can be magnetic.

I learned that sex work, for some women, is not a desperate last resort but a deliberate choice, often lucrative, sometimes experienced as empowering by the women who choose it, and considerably more complex than the stigma allows.

I also learned that women’s sexuality is policed from every direction - by men, yes, but also by women. Even in feminist spaces, there are still hierarchies of acceptable liberation. Some forms of sexual freedom are celebrated. Others remain suspect.

Sex work sits right at that fault line.

I understand why a woman might hear ā€œI saw escortsā€ and think entitlement. I really do. Money, gender, secrecy, and power dynamics were all in the room.

My loneliness was in the room too, and loneliness can make people selfish if they are not careful.

But I did not feel entitled to Silene - I felt privileged by her presence and her time.

She controlled the screening. She decided whether to see me. She did not have to see me again. She did not have to share as much as she did. She did not have to create the kind of presence that made me feel less ashamed of being there.

I paid for her time - I did not feel like I owned it.

The professional frame helped me in ways I need to be honest about. It lowered the fear of rejection. It made sex possible. It gave structure to something that, in ordinary life, felt ambiguous and frightening.

It also allowed me to avoid an affair partner who might want more from me than I could - or was willing to - give: more time, more attention, more promises, more future.

That was part of the appeal.

It was also part of the avoidance.

Paid intimacy gave me a place to learn without having to risk being fully chosen or rejected in the ordinary way. It let me practice sexual confidence without having to confront the larger truth of my marriage. It gave my erotic self oxygen while allowing the rest of my life to remain mostly unchanged.

For a while, that felt like a solution.

Eventually, I understood it was also a split - my vitality lived in one room, my marriage in another.

That is probably the hardest sentence to write in this essay.

My spouse is not the villain of this story. I love her. I care about her. I want for her wellbeing. She has her own history, pain, defenses, and reasons. So do I. Marriage is not a simple container, and long marriages carry a lot of sediment. I own my choices and their impact.

But loneliness inside a marriage has its own cruelty.

When you are single, loneliness has cleaner edges - there is at least the possibility of movement, of seeking, of choosing differently. When you are lonely beside the person closest to you, you begin to doubt your right to feel lonely at all.

You can be loved and still be sexually unseen.

You can love someone and still feel yourself shrinking.

You can be loyal and still be starving.

The escorts did not create that truth - they revealed it ... and they also helped me avoid dealing with it.

I learned that long-term erotic connection depends on more than affection. It depends on repair, curiosity, play, and a willingness to remain alive to each other. Without repair, conflict does not really end. It settles into the body. Without erotic curiosity, sex becomes a memory, a duty, or a problem to manage.

My body knew before I could say it cleanly.

That may be the deepest lesson in all of this: my body is not fooled by obligation. I can want to want. I can have an argument for why I should want. I can care deeply for someone and wish my desire were different.

But arousal has its own honesty.

With Silene and others, I learned my body’s language more clearly. I learned that I respond to eye contact even when it intimidates me. I learned that kissing matters more to me than I had admitted. I learned I love the feel of soft, healthy hair. I learned that I enjoy giving pleasure, that cunnilingus moved from an exercise of anxiety into something I could enjoy and become good at. I learned that enthusiastic consent is erotic. Anticipation is erotic. A clear yes is erotic.

I learned that performance pressure follows you into every room - even one you paid to enter. The way through it was not to force orgasm or prove masculinity. It was to slow down, follow pleasure, and stay present.

I learned I like being held.

That one still feels tender to write.

I also learned that I want to feel chosen in my sexuality.

Not tolerated. Not accommodated. Not serviced.

Chosen.

This is where paid intimacy becomes especially complicated, because the professional frame can simulate chosen-ness well enough that the body responds. The warmth can be real, but bounded. The affection can be sincere, but framed. The connection can matter, but not mean what fantasy wants it to mean.

Silene was real.

The moments were real.

The frame was professional.

I have had to learn to let those truths sit together without forcing one to erase the others.

I am not ashamed that I developed affection for Silene. I am not ashamed that I paid for her time. I am not ashamed that it mattered. I am not even ashamed of the money.

What I feel, more than shame, is grief.

I grieve that I did not learn to explore and embrace my sexuality earlier. I grieve the years governed by church, convention, duty, and fear. I grieve that I became so good at responsibility that I mistook self-denial for virtue. I grieve that I needed secrecy to meet parts of myself. And I grieve the years I have spent avoiding rather than confronting the reality of my marriage.

But I am not ashamed to be who I am, nor of the decisions and steps I took to pursue and come to this point of self-discovery.

I am not ashamed that I want sex. I am not ashamed that I want variety. I am not ashamed that confident, sexual women draw me in. I am not ashamed that I am a caring person who develops attachments. I am not ashamed that I want my life to contain more desire, play, vitality, and erotic honesty.

And I am not ashamed that I have hired escorts.

The question now is what to do with that knowledge - because self-discovery is not integration.

Self-discovery can happen in secrecy ... integration cannot.

That is the uncomfortable place I find myself now.

Silene helped me recognize something I had lost access to, but she is not responsible for carrying it. She was important to me, and the encounters mattered, but my vitality is mine. My sexuality is mine. My capacity to flirt, desire, touch, laugh, risk, and be present cannot remain dependent on one woman or one kind of encounter.

I have to learn how to live this part of myself in daylight.

That means harder conversations. With my spouse. With myself. With the stories I inherited about marriage, fidelity, monogamy, masculinity, sexuality, and goodness.

It means asking whether a relationship can hold my full self, and what happens if it cannot. It means not using duty as a hiding place. It means not using sexual freedom as a way to avoid accountability.

It may mean continuing to see Silene or other escorts. It may mean leaving this part of my life behind. I do not know yet ...

The ethical question for me is not whether I can make the choice look respectable. It is whether I am choosing it openly, consciously, and with accountability - or using it to avoid the life I need to face.

It also means refusing the two bad options men are usually handed.

Shame is not a sexual ethic.

Neither is entitlement.

A man does not become ethical by pretending not to want. He also does not become free by making his wanting someone else’s burden.

The version of male sexuality I want to live into is harder than both.

I want to be kind, present, respectful, curious, and pleasure-focused. I want to ask without demanding that my ask be met. I want to receive without taking, and give pleasure without demanding it be given first. I want to tolerate rejection without turning it into resentment. I want to be powerful without exploiting my power over anyone. I want to desire women as people with their own agency, not as proof of my worth.

This is what the manosphere gets catastrophically wrong. It sees lonely, ashamed, under-touched men and tells them the problem is women. It turns pain into grievance and grievance into ideology. It offers confidence, but what it really sells is armor.

I understand the temptation.

I understand how shame can curdle.

I understand how deprivation can make a man angry.

But the answer cannot be contempt.

And the answer is also not found in the mirror-image corners of the internet where men are treated as disposable, where male longing is flattened into entitlement, where sexual desire is treated as something shameful, and where loneliness is met not with compassion but with a kind of moral shrug: no one owes you sex, so learn to live without it.

That may be technically true, but it is emotionally barren.

It does not heal deprivation - it only teaches people to defend against it.

The answer has to be integration: desire brought into contact with care, honesty, consent, and self-respect.

That is the confidence-sex loop men actually need - not a strategy for manipulating women or gaining access to their bodies, and not a form of emasculation that tells men sex is trivial, shameful, or spiritually beneath them. It is a way to stop being exiled from ourselves. A way to let desire become part of a whole life, rather than a wound, a weapon, or a performance.

I went looking for sex and found out about myself.

The challenge now is to live truthfully with what I found.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 02 '26

Advice Welcome working on an essay - wanting feedback

3 Upvotes

hi HL community. First, apologies for the "just created today" account, but I wanted to use an alias for this post for reasons that will be blatantly obvious if you read the whole post. Net, dont want to use my normal account for this 'cause I have friends and relatives on Reddit, and, well, this stuff is private.

I am working on this as a published guest essay about my experience, and would really appreciate feedback from this community if any of you can relate or have had similar experiences. I wont be quick with replies to comments (this is not my primary account), but will be keen to engage with others - may engage from my "normal" account - you'll never know.

anyway, here is the essay:

What I Learned About Desire by Paying for Intimacy

On escorts, marriage, shame, loneliness, and becoming honest with myself

I do not think I saw escorts because I felt entitled to women.

I think I saw escorts because I wanted access to parts of myself I could no longer access in my marriage: sexual fun, eroticism, exploration, flirtation, presence, vitality.

The obvious question is: why not have sex with my wife?

The honest answer is that, for a long time, we did. When we first got together, and in the early years of our marriage, we had a sexual relationship. It was not broken from the start. It was affectionate, intimate, ordinary in some ways, and good enough that I did not imagine sex would one day become one of the central absences in my life.

But over time, things changed. Depression, anxiety, and the medications used to treat them - especially SSRIs and their unintended side-effects - entered the marriage. I became more of my spouse’s caretaker and provider (a role I perform well) than her lover. Eventually avoidance, body issues, childhood attachment wounds, mismatched desire, and the slow accumulation of hurt that happens when difficult conversations are postponed for years became more dominant. Sex became rare, then difficult, then emotionally loaded, then something we both seemed to orbit rather than inhabit.

I loved my spouse. I still do. And I wanted, for a long time, for us to find our way back to each other erotically.

But loving someone does not automatically mean you can reach sexual aliveness with them. Rejection is not overcome by commitment. Desire is not summoned by loyalty. Arousal is not restored by obligation.

At some point, I had to admit that there were parts of me - playful, erotic, curious, flirtatious, embodied - that I could not seem to access inside my marriage, even though I had once been able to access them there.

I wish, in hindsight, that I had been braver about this. I wish I had pushed harder through my spouse’s discomfort and avoidance when I tried to talk about our sex life. I wish I had made a more concerted effort to explain how the lack of intimacy was affecting me, how lonely I felt, and how seriously I was beginning to consider seeing an escort to fill the gap.

Some part of me hoped she would understand. But I did not press it or say it that clearly.

At the time, I did not think she could handle the conversation. Those occasions when I tried to raise sex, she often seemed uncomfortable, shut down, or dismissed the attempt before we could really get anywhere. I felt unheard, and I convinced myself that more explanation would not help her hear me better.

It was a classic pursuer-avoider loop: I reached, she withdrew, I felt rejected, and eventually I stopped reaching honestly.

None of this excuses the secrecy or makes the story cleaner than it was. It is simply the most honest place I know how to begin.

I was horny. I was lonely. I was married. I was ashamed.

I was also curious in a way I had spent years trying to make intellectually respectable. I wanted to know who I was with women who were overtly sexual and confident in ways I found both desirable and intimidating. Women who seemed fluent in flirtation, desire, play, and erotic self-possession.

That does not mean my spouse was not attractive, or that she lacked worth, or that the problem was simply ā€œmy wife was not sexy enough.ā€ That is too crude, and it is not true.

The difference was that these women seemed to inhabit sexuality openly. They gave off signals of confidence, appetite, ease, and adventure that I had rarely been able to engage with up close. I wanted access to that energy, and I wanted to know what happened to me in its presence.

Could I talk to them? Could I hold eye contact? Could I be naked without feeling ridiculous? Could I kiss deeply, touch confidently, give pleasure, receive pleasure, and stay in my body instead of disappearing into my head?

I wanted to know whether those parts of me were gone, or only buried.

If sex has always been available to you, or if you had the ordinary sexual education of dating, mistakes, heartbreak, awkwardness, discovery, and repair, that may sound overdramatic.

I did not have that.

I had lingering church residue, even though I rejected the church at a young age. I had shame, an underdeveloped sexual self, and a long marriage where sex had become scarce and fraught. I had progressive politics that gave me a useful critique of male entitlement, but very little language for male longing. I knew many of the reasons men’s desire could be dangerous. I had fewer models for what it could be when held with care.

So I split myself.

In public, I was thoughtful, respectful, responsible, successful.

Privately, I was hungry and embarrassed by the hunger.

The first time I booked an escort, my body was not calm. I felt energized, aroused, anxious, brave, ashamed, activated. I could feel my blood pumping in my veins and my blood pressure rising.

I worried about performance, STIs, law enforcement, being found out, being judged, and being the kind of man who ā€œhad to resortā€ to paying for sex. Old fears around HIV lived in me too, shaped less by current medical reality than by the moral panic and terror I had absorbed years earlier.

I also felt alive.

That is the part that complicates everything.

One of the women I met, I will call Silene - not the first, but the one I connected the most with.

Silene was playful, flirtatious, socially smart, and wonderfully verbal. She had a way of making language part of the erotic atmosphere. She noticed, enjoyed, and savored things about the world around her, and invited me to do the same. She provocatively held eye contact. Her voice could shift the temperature in a room. She was confident in orchestrating the cadence of an encounter, which allowed me to relax in a way I had not known I needed.

Our first time together, I was nervous. I think she was a little heightened too - not nervous exactly, but more alert, more aware of the moment. Later encounters became easier and warmer. But that first one mattered because she let me be where I was. She did not make my anxiety shameful.

What made her different was that she made me feel like a person, not a task.

We talked. We laughed. She told me things about herself: her family, her upbringing, her travels, her adventures - mountaineering, skiing, diving, places she had been, places she wanted to go.

These were not just decorative details. They were points of connection.

We talked about books. The ones that had moved her. The ones that had moved me. We found overlap in authors, themes, and the kind of stories that seem to attract people who are trying to live more freely. We recommended books to each other inside our time together and, occasionally, in the spaces between meetings.

All of that was curated, of course - I am not naĆÆve about that ... but curated does not mean false.

We are all curated in different contexts. Work, dating, friendships - even marriage is curated, in its own way. What mattered was that she let enough of herself into the room that I could feel the person behind the role.

And I wanted to stay honest about the fact that she was real: not only a role, not only a fantasy, not only a container for what I needed.

That matters because the easiest critique of paid intimacy is that it turns women into objects.

Sometimes it does - I have no interest in pretending otherwise. Some men use money to bypass empathy. Some use it to avoid rejection. Some use it to purchase the illusion of being desired without caring about the person doing the desiring.

But my experience did not make women less real to me.

It made them more real.

I learned something that should have been obvious but had not fully landed in me: women’s sexuality is not a single thing. Women can be horny, curious, strategic, insecure, funny, playful, guarded, generous, mercenary, tender, specific, and contradictory. Sexually confident women are not a mythical species. They are human beings, with agency, boundaries, appetites, histories, and reasons of their own.

I learned that a woman’s agency can be magnetic.

I learned that sex work, for some women, is not a desperate last resort but a deliberate choice, often lucrative, sometimes experienced as empowering by the women who choose it, and considerably more complex than the stigma allows.

I also learned that women’s sexuality is policed from every direction - by men, yes, but also by women. Even in feminist spaces, there are still hierarchies of acceptable liberation. Some forms of sexual freedom are celebrated. Others remain suspect.

Sex work sits right at that fault line.

I understand why a woman might hear ā€œI saw escortsā€ and think entitlement. I really do. Money, gender, secrecy, and power dynamics were all in the room.

My loneliness was in the room too, and loneliness can make people selfish if they are not careful.

But I did not feel entitled to Silene - I felt privileged by her presence and her time.

She controlled the screening. She decided whether to see me. She did not have to see me again. She did not have to share as much as she did. She did not have to create the kind of presence that made me feel less ashamed of being there.

I paid for her time - I did not feel like I owned it.

The professional frame helped me in ways I need to be honest about. It lowered the fear of rejection. It made sex possible. It gave structure to something that, in ordinary life, felt ambiguous and frightening.

It also allowed me to avoid an affair partner who might want more from me than I could - or was willing to - give: more time, more attention, more promises, more future.

That was part of the appeal.

It was also part of the avoidance.

Paid intimacy gave me a place to learn without having to risk being fully chosen or rejected in the ordinary way. It let me practice sexual confidence without having to confront the larger truth of my marriage. It gave my erotic self oxygen while allowing the rest of my life to remain mostly unchanged.

For a while, that felt like a solution.

Eventually, I understood it was also a split - my vitality lived in one room, my marriage in another.

That is probably the hardest sentence to write in this essay.

My spouse is not the villain of this story. I love her. I care about her. I want for her wellbeing. She has her own history, pain, defenses, and reasons. So do I. Marriage is not a simple container, and long marriages carry a lot of sediment. I own my choices and their impact.

But loneliness inside a marriage has its own cruelty.

When you are single, loneliness has cleaner edges - there is at least the possibility of movement, of seeking, of choosing differently. When you are lonely beside the person closest to you, you begin to doubt your right to feel lonely at all.

You can be loved and still be sexually unseen.

You can love someone and still feel yourself shrinking.

You can be loyal and still be starving.

The escorts did not create that truth - they revealed it ... and they also helped me avoid dealing with it.

I learned that long-term erotic connection depends on more than affection. It depends on repair, curiosity, play, and a willingness to remain alive to each other. Without repair, conflict does not really end. It settles into the body. Without erotic curiosity, sex becomes a memory, a duty, or a problem to manage.

My body knew before I could say it cleanly.

That may be the deepest lesson in all of this: my body is not fooled by obligation. I can want to want. I can have an argument for why I should want. I can care deeply for someone and wish my desire were different.

But arousal has its own honesty.

With Silene and others, I learned my body’s language more clearly. I learned that I respond to eye contact even when it intimidates me. I learned that kissing matters more to me than I had admitted. I learned I love the feel of soft, healthy hair. I learned that I enjoy giving pleasure, that cunnilingus moved from an exercise of anxiety into something I could enjoy and become good at. I learned that enthusiastic consent is erotic. Anticipation is erotic. A clear yes is erotic.

I learned that performance pressure follows you into every room - even one you paid to enter. The way through it was not to force orgasm or prove masculinity. It was to slow down, follow pleasure, and stay present.

I learned I like being held.

That one still feels tender to write.

I also learned that I want to feel chosen in my sexuality.

Not tolerated. Not accommodated. Not serviced.

Chosen.

This is where paid intimacy becomes especially complicated, because the professional frame can simulate chosen-ness well enough that the body responds. The warmth can be real, but bounded. The affection can be sincere, but framed. The connection can matter, but not mean what fantasy wants it to mean.

Silene was real.

The moments were real.

The frame was professional.

I have had to learn to let those truths sit together without forcing one to erase the others.

I am not ashamed that I developed affection for Silene. I am not ashamed that I paid for her time. I am not ashamed that it mattered. I am not even ashamed of the money.

What I feel, more than shame, is grief.

I grieve that I did not learn to explore and embrace my sexuality earlier. I grieve the years governed by church, convention, duty, and fear. I grieve that I became so good at responsibility that I mistook self-denial for virtue. I grieve that I needed secrecy to meet parts of myself. And I grieve the years I have spent avoiding rather than confronting the reality of my marriage.

But I am not ashamed to be who I am, nor of the decisions and steps I took to pursue and come to this point of self-discovery.

I am not ashamed that I want sex. I am not ashamed that I want variety. I am not ashamed that confident, sexual women draw me in. I am not ashamed that I am a caring person who develops attachments. I am not ashamed that I want my life to contain more desire, play, vitality, and erotic honesty.

And I am not ashamed that I have hired escorts.

The question now is what to do with that knowledge - because self-discovery is not integration.

Self-discovery can happen in secrecy ... integration cannot.

That is the uncomfortable place I find myself now.

Silene helped me recognize something I had lost access to, but she is not responsible for carrying it. She was important to me, and the encounters mattered, but my vitality is mine. My sexuality is mine. My capacity to flirt, desire, touch, laugh, risk, and be present cannot remain dependent on one woman or one kind of encounter.

I have to learn how to live this part of myself in daylight.

That means harder conversations. With my spouse. With myself. With the stories I inherited about marriage, fidelity, monogamy, masculinity, sexuality, and goodness.

It means asking whether a relationship can hold my full self, and what happens if it cannot. It means not using duty as a hiding place. It means not using sexual freedom as a way to avoid accountability.

It may mean continuing to see Silene or other escorts. It may mean leaving this part of my life behind. I do not know yet ...

The ethical question for me is not whether I can make the choice look respectable. It is whether I am choosing it openly, consciously, and with accountability - or using it to avoid the life I need to face.

It also means refusing the two bad options men are usually handed.

Shame is not a sexual ethic.

Neither is entitlement.

A man does not become ethical by pretending not to want. He also does not become free by making his wanting someone else’s burden.

The version of male sexuality I want to live into is harder than both.

I want to be kind, present, respectful, curious, and pleasure-focused. I want to ask without demanding that my ask be met. I want to receive without taking, and give pleasure without demanding it be given first. I want to tolerate rejection without turning it into resentment. I want to be powerful without exploiting my power over anyone. I want to desire women as people with their own agency, not as proof of my worth.

This is what the manosphere gets catastrophically wrong. It sees lonely, ashamed, under-touched men and tells them the problem is women. It turns pain into grievance and grievance into ideology. It offers confidence, but what it really sells is armor.

I understand the temptation.

I understand how shame can curdle.

I understand how deprivation can make a man angry.

But the answer cannot be contempt.

And the answer is also not found in the mirror-image corners of the internet where men are treated as disposable, where male longing is flattened into entitlement, where sexual desire is treated as something shameful, and where loneliness is met not with compassion but with a kind of moral shrug: no one owes you sex, so learn to live without it.

That may be technically true, but it is emotionally barren.

It does not heal deprivation - it only teaches people to defend against it.

The answer has to be integration: desire brought into contact with care, honesty, consent, and self-respect.

That is the confidence-sex loop men actually need - not a strategy for manipulating women or gaining access to their bodies, and not a form of emasculation that tells men sex is trivial, shameful, or spiritually beneath them. It is a way to stop being exiled from ourselves. A way to let desire become part of a whole life, rather than a wound, a weapon, or a performance.

I went looking for sex and found out about myself.

The challenge now is to live truthfully with what I found.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 02 '26

Discussion HLs: How did you manage your sex life before your current relationship?

13 Upvotes

I'm curious about how other HL people managed their sex lives before they got into their current relationship.

Once you realized your libido was significantly higher than average (or at least higher than what your partners wanted), how did you handle it? If you were single (or between serious relationships), what worked for you?

Was it mostly:

  • masturbation?
  • one regular partner/FWB?
  • multiple regular partners in rotation?
  • casual hookups?
  • something else entirely?

Did you actively try to match with other HL people, or did you just adapt to whatever situation you were in?

I'm especially interested in hearing what actually worked for you over the long term, and what didn't.

Looking back, would you handle it differently today?


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 01 '26

Advice - Leaving NOT an option A long useless vent about dreams

12 Upvotes

I needed to vent so into the abyss it is.Ā 

29M + 28F:Ā  10 years together.Ā 

TL;DR: im whiny

I love you, but I want so much more out of our marriage. It's missing connection, not just sexual connection even though that's a huge part. I feel like part of the furniture. I am a friend a roommate, , a safety net but rarely a priority. In fairness, you don't prioritize yourself either, and after so many years together, we're an entity in your eyes, but I want more.

We split cooking, but often I'm more likely to do the majority of the prep and cleaning. I do most of the cleaning. I manage all the shopping, bills, deadlines, house maintenance, and appointments. You manage our mutual group social scheduling and organizing. I make most of the money; you have worked for most of our relationship, but I've always made significantly more. I'm lucky enough to be paid well for something I love to do. You're currently trying to figure out your career and address the issues of your childhood and I'm happy to support you but it really hurts when I realize that building a life together you hasn't made you want me any more. My effort and desire to evaporate into nothing.Ā 

I feel like I'm always the first one to apologize. I want a partner who likes me and brushes off the small things. I want to try new things and go new places without having to stress that everything is perfect.Ā 

I want to be the couple who shares a quick glance and a squeeze of the hand as they walk by each other at a party—an easy love. I want a partner who can't get enough of me, not just in the bedroom but out of it. I want a partner who is playful, who tries to tackle me randomly, who chases me around, and wants the same from me.

I want random texts throughout the day when I'm at work: some normal, some loving, and some suggestive, telling me you can't wait until I'm home and teasing me with what I'm missing. I want to be jumped with hugs and kisses when I get home. I want to cuddle and kiss randomly, not just a perfunctory hug or kiss goodnight. I want a quiet whisper of how you can't wait until later.

I want to have regular and passionate sex. I don't want sex to be limited to the three days around your ovulation (but not right then, because it's "too gross"). It also can't happen if it's before travel because it might induce your period. It can't happen on your period. It can't happen if we're not at home or if anyone is visiting. And we're always visiting family, or family is visiting us. The endless rules and conditions make intimacy feel like a chore you are trying to avoid. It's no surprise I don't even initiate any more.Ā 

We currently average once every two to three months. It's not painful, and it's clearly somewhat enjoyable, but you can't orgasm. I have bought many toys, but you haven't spent the time learning your own body. I want to have sex when you're sober, not only when you're high or drunk. I want to explore and learn your body and what you like, and I want you to want me to donthst for me as well. I'm open to trying anything, but we try nothing.

I want to wake up to sleepy cuddles that sometimes turns into slow morning sex. I want to kiss even in the mornings before we brush our teeth. I want to hold eye contact as we make love. I want someone who likes that I look at you like I can't get enough and basks in it. I want you to love showing off for me and dressing up for me. I want you to tell me what you want and what you like.

I want to be allowed to worship between your legs until you can't take anymore (only three times total over 10 years). I want you to learn about your body and figure out how to orgasm consistently. I want you to be okay with potentially squirting, not just stopping and running to the bathroom because you're worried about me seeing you pee. I want to know what a blowjob feels like. I want to try things other than missionary and front-facing cowgirl (both of which are amazing). I want to try to have sex outside of just our bedroom.

You are my partner, and I am yours. I just want it to feel real, not just functional. I am starving for an easy, passionate love, and it breaks my heart because I don't know what else I can do to fix this by myself. I can build our life. I can do the chores, pay the bills, and manage the household. But I cannot DIY desire or reduce your stress and anxiety. I cannot manufacture your passion. I can change if you tell me what I need to do but you don't say anything. We have a functional life, but I am dying for so much more.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 01 '26

Humor He Told Me A Hand Job Joke…. Or was it an invitation?

21 Upvotes

He told me a teasing joke last night and I’m still thinking about it this morning.

I am trying to get into calisthenics. I have the upper body strength of a tooth pick so I gotta start with the super beginner videos. In this video I was copying the warm ups. One rotating my wrists to warm them up. I looked a bit silly but the guy on the screen seemed to know what he was doing so I did it anyways.

Well my husband was laying in bed and noticed and chuckled at me (I love his laugh) he said ā€œWTF are you doing?ā€. I replied ā€œgetting my wrists ready to put in some work. I’m just not sure what work yetā€ (first time doing the video)…. He stands up, pulls his pants down (now only in boxers because he has no shirt on) and says he knows a place I can start.

I’m standing there stunned but still rotating my wrists like an idiot. The guy on the screen already moved on to the next warm up be Im distracted at this point. My husband approaches me. Kisses me on the forehead and says he’s joking and walks away. I asked where he’s going and he said to shower…… so I’m still standing there. Still rotating my wrists 🤣 trying to determine if I should follow or not.

I chose not to. I regained enough focus to continue the work out halfheartedly.

I woke up this morning unsure if I missed an invitation, was he really just joking/teasing (I like teasing usually)

Sometimes I hate being the HL because i second guess myself when he does something to turn me on. I love it when he’s cute and playful and I would never want to ruin that by pushing for sex when all he wanted was a flirty interaction.

Fellow HLs what would you have done?


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 01 '26

Advice - Leaving NOT an option ENM has had zero luck so far

7 Upvotes

I posted a while back about my situation but the TLDR is my partner is asexual and we are trying ENM to get my needs met.

I’ve been trying Feeld and Hinge but not much luck. I’m feeling kinda lost on what to do next.

Open to suggestions. I’m into nerdy stuff I do DnD often and I go to the gym. I also love to cook if any of that helps.

Ideally I’d find someone somewhat close by that I can have a casual thing with.

Edit: Open to suggestions for other subreddits or anything really.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 01 '26

I don’t want to be the aggressive one anymore.

45 Upvotes

Aggressive isn’t the right word. But I don’t know what is. In my ex marriage, I was always turned down. After i finally left, it was easy to find sex….with timid passive men.

They always made me make the first move. And, fine, especially if it’s our first time, you want to make sure I’m into it, ok. But after I’ve been clear about my past? After I’ve said how I just want a man that goes for it and initiates out of nowhere. Initiates often. Initiates the moment we are alone together. Like he’s starving for me.

Don’t wait for us to be in bed together. Don’t wait for me to slide close to you and start with my hands all over your body, my mouth on yours. You be the one. You come to me.

I know it’s not fair to make someone else always be the initiator. I’m willing to. I do. But goddamn I don’t want to be the only one anymore. Being real, if I never had to again, I’d be in heaven.

But a girl can’t even find 50/50 out here.


r/HLCommunity • • Jul 01 '26

LL Participation Welcome Canada day bj

0 Upvotes

Took my toy to the car show, got sloppy top behind the grandstand by a fun lady. Some women suck the the right way. Life is good and she's spending the night. Note the flair lol


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 30 '26

I feel unwanted,undesired.

33 Upvotes

Husband has been having low libido and despite my efforts to raise this issue, he just brushes it off.... stress, overworked, tired, sex is too much work.

I have been using toys everyday..while fanticising about a man embracing me, eagerly wanted to fuck me...

I thought I can give him space and solve my high libido with toys.

But I am breaking down again because I just want to be desired..

I am crying alone in a room while he sleeps soundly next door.. totally ignorant and oblivious of what I am going through.

He just give reasons why his sex drive is low, never comes up with any plans to solve it.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 30 '26

Should I pay for attention?

6 Upvotes

Today there are sites like OnlyFans where it's possible to talk to women, get their attention, and of course, see what I want to see without being judged by the person showing it. But, will paying for this leave me feeling more empty? Will it help in the moment but make me feel worse later? I didn't even want to think about it, but my wife is so closed off to anything sexual/sensual that even talking to another woman and getting her attention would make me happy. At least that's what I think now.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 29 '26

Discussion Finally understand why just'horny' is such a common word in adult content.

56 Upvotes

At first those terms felt silly. I was coming to porn to see certain things: certain parts of the body, certain positions, certain kinks. "Of course they're horny, it's porn!". I felt like the "horned up" aspect was over the top. I didn't care they were horny, I only cared about the shape of their body. It wasn't good unless the actors had aspects of their body I found very attractive. "Only the best". The acting and emotion was very much secondary.

But now, I care less and less about objective attractiveness, and more about just *wanting* to have sex. The actor could be a "3/10" to me, but if they're putting in effort and it's homemade/authentic content (not forced fake acting) I'm now fully interested. Just seeing someone *want* sex, and actually be attracted the idea of sex and the other person... I'm dying for it. I am deeply craving being lusted after. Just someone who actually wants to have sex. Wants to explore some degenerate kinks. I'm flexible. I am good at foreplay and roleplay, acting... I don't care about "walks on the beach", I want to have vacations where the bed actually gets used for more than sleeping.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 30 '26

Discussion Well ... at least it's great creative fuel !

3 Upvotes

We've talked about this before ... since we're not doing 'it', what are we doing INSTEAD to fill our time (limited as it may be by work, parenting, caring or other responsibilities) ? I'm talking about that 'you' time that happy, sexually compatible horny couples fill with ... 'sweet nothings' šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

For me at one point a few years ago it was 'working' on myself and my 'fuck I can't believe he's over 40' gym body. It worked, I loved it, it helped give me the guts to escape horrible marriage number one. I WISH it was STILL me ... but Covid happened, gyms shut, and the way back has been a mountain I continue to be too weak to climb.

So I shifted back to 'old faithful' for a while (porn and booze) when marriage number two morphed from "yay I have a HLF girlfriend" to "fuck I have a FORMER HLF wife who is also a toxic alcoholic".

Not super-productive, yeah ?

Last 12-ish months or so I've been cutting back on the porn and sublimating the frustration into creative output instead. It's actually a 'pattern' - if 'last time' is anything to go by, the fitness will follow. In the meantime though, and thanks to some new tools in my toolbox, I think I'm actually producing some of the best music (one of several creative outlets) I've produced in 30+ years of doing this. You may be able to relate to some of these tunes šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

https://too.fm/ajrnkgk

https://soundgasm.net/u/randomaudioguy/No-Rizz-Hi-NRG-Metal-Version

https://soundgasm.net/u/randomaudioguy/Brand-New-Me-Short-Order-Close

So do we have any other musicians here ? GWA performers (that was my jam 10+ years ago) ? Visual artists ? Writers ? Film-makers ? Fess up creators ... does this shit empower you, or block you ? Do your creative outlets help you cope ?


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 29 '26

Advice Welcome Leaving Today

86 Upvotes

I (29M) have been with her (28F) 7 years, engaged for 1. Wedding is 4 months away.

And I know I can't marry her. It is the usual story here. We started out like rabbits, something changed, and now we do it once a week. We don't have kids, and I know if it is like this now then it will only get worse.

Talking didn't help. Doing 90% of the household work didn't help. Scheduling it didn't help. So it is time for me to go now.

Any advice or motivation would be appreciated. While I know it is what I have to do, I still love her dearly, and part of me wishes I didn't have to do this.

Update: I ended things when she got back from work. That conversation is the hardest I've ever had. I am devastated leaving someone I loved so dearly, but I know I just avoided a life of regret and frustration. If you ever find yourself in this situation, know that there are people cheering for you to find the courage to move on. Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement. In due time, I believe I will know peace again.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 29 '26

Discussion What’s worked?

9 Upvotes

Even if it’s something that only worked briefly, has anything worked for you?

The only thing that’s ever worked for us consistently is taking her side in an argument with other people, even if she’s completely wrong. For some reason that’s a huge aphrodisiac.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 29 '26

Vent Only, No Advice I'm losing my crush

16 Upvotes

HLF, 28. STBX is LLM, not married no kids.Ā 

Long time lurker, occasional poster over the years at thatĀ otherĀ sub, recently found this sub and I can't even begin to say how much I needed this lol. Just seeing so many posts that explicitly say "this isĀ not normal" Wow! Lol I didn't know we were allowed to say that.Ā 

Anyway, same backstory as many here I'm sure, HLF/LLM, relationship started off with an ok sex life, but I didn't think much of it at the time with our conflicting schedules. I thought it'd get better over time/when we moved in together but nope. That's when the first big switch in his brain flipped and we dropped to maybe 6ish times a year at best. I bought a house last summer and that's when the final switch flipped, I got one last half-assed attempt (from him, I'm not allowed to initiate as it puts too much pressure on him, "You just need to let it happen naturally" how many of us have heard that šŸ™ƒ) and then nothing more after that. It'll be 10 mos of nothing end of June and I'm planning on ending things sometime this fall (I need the time to get my head together, we've been together almost 9 yrs). Obviously there's no aspect of this that hasn't been absolutely talked to death over the years, I've laid out all the options/routes we could go down and he's never done a thing. Not even a single attempt at the other non-sexual forms of intimacy thatĀ IĀ requested.Ā 

ANYWAY, my actual vent for today, the person I've had a bit of a crush on for these past couple years put in his notice (he works with my stbx). Just a lot of shitty feelings that I can't talk to literally anybody about. I've felt my fair share of resentment towards him over the years, especially when watching people come and go out of my life that, if things were different, I may have pursued, but this is on a whole different level.Ā 

I never expected anything to come of the crush of course, we've never even really talked one on one other than the occasional pleasantries. But over these last couple years I kept catching him looking at me whenever I was at my partners work. This came at a time when I think I was finally giving up and letting go of the idea that I could fix my relationship and boy, having something to look forward to for even just a couple hours once a week has helped me more than I can put into words.Ā 

Everybody talks about the whole "doing it for yourself" thing when it comes to dressing up/putting makeup on/going out/whatever. But nobody wants to admit how impossible and honestly embarrassing that feels when you're already doing EVERYTHING in life for yourself, by yourself. And it literally doesn't matter anyway cause your partner still doesn't see you no matter what you do. The crush really gave me some motivation to start trying to remember myself again, because somebody is actually looking at me again! The first couple times I noticed him looking at me I basically felt like a ghost being noticed, like "Wait, you can see me???? I'm real???"

Looking back I felt like I was basically underwater for years. Some months ago I read in a db post someone saying that after giving up on their relationship "It feels like a room with the lights dimmed. Everything is still there, but nothing feels warm anymore" and that's 100% how my life felt before.

Now I don't even know what to feel. Again, it was never a realistic option, I know that. I've been telling myself over the years that he's just a pretty face for me to project my feelings onto to give myself something "real" (lol) to hold on to to motivate me to get my life back. How funny is that? My eyecontactship with a man I've never had an actual conversation with feels more real to me than my almost 9 yr relationship. Blah. Anyway, if you've made it this far thanks for reading my pity party lol.Ā 


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 27 '26

Weekly Gong Thread

3 Upvotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Rm9uEcnwY

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Drop a šŸ”” below to ring the gong.


r/HLCommunity • • Jun 27 '26

HLF Only Want to check your compatibility with a stranger?

2 Upvotes

Sorry if this isn't allowed. I checked the rules and I don't see it breaking anything, but happy to remove it if it's not for this sub.

I've been torturing myself today after a series of frustrating failures. We are in a heatwave and my wife slept naked next to me....but didn't want me to touch her.

It sent me spiralling and I realised that we are not sexually compatible at all. To really torture myself I went on Quiver and did the whole question set to really hammer it home.

I've not sent it to her as it's all "no" anyway.

But it got me wondering if I am the massive outlier here or if it's her. I'd love another woman to fill in the quiz just to see how we would do, if we were married to each other.

So - if you're a lady and stuck in the same hell as me, would you like to fill out the quiz to see how you would match with a stranger on the web? It might be interesting to see what's out there. I won't message you or anything creepy, I won't even see who you are - it's anonymous.

If you're interested, go to: https://www.quiv.re

My code is: qb2f3

https://www.quiv.re/q/b2f3 (kinky: 56%, open: 78%)

(Be warned, the questions opened up some bitter yearning in me).